Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
Nick Tonkin wrote: Personally I find the very name Apache a little uncomfortable.. ... but the relevance of an http server to the Apache nation escapes me (and the symbolizing of the Apache nation with a feather strikes me as stereotypical at best). Most of you will have seen, at least in photgraphs, the remarkable sandstone escarpment of Ayer's Rock in Australia. For millenia this was a sacred place for the aboriginal Australians. When europeans first started touring the continent, they happily scampered up it since to them, climbing to the top of things seems to be the obvious thing to do. After about a century of this, it finally occurred to someone to ask an aboriginal what he thought about people climbing the rock - did he mind? The answer was "Yes, actually". Nowadays, although Yulura (to give it its original name) is still climbed (the native austalians choose not to assert their opinions) you should be aware that you climb it with the disapproval of a people to whom it is holy. You might as well whack a few pitons into the Wailing Wall or bungee-jump in St. Peter's Basilica. The point I am making is that you cannot anticipate how people of a different culture might think about symbols and names and places. It may be that people of the Apache Nation are indifferent to the name being used for a computer program, or they may like the association with a freedom-loving, open-source, not-for-profit organisation which is striving against corporate greed to make the world a better place, or they may find it offensive. I don't know. Did anybody ask them? Rgds, Owen Boyle.
Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
Randal 42 billion has the right sound to it. It's "the answer", after all, Randal a billion times over. :) I like it! Maybe a big round pearl with a smiley-face and a headband with feather sticking up in the back with the words "Don't Panic" in large friendly letters printed below :) Take it one step further... How about a nice camel with a nice feather-ed headband, a big tatoo of the number 42 (maybe another feather there too?). Above it written mod_perl, and below in nice friendly letters: Don't Panic. Issac
Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:11:13 -0500 Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, we may have a winner with the Native American and lamp idea. A coworker suggested a peace pipe (picture an indian smoking perl) instead of a lamp, since you don't see warriors holding lamps often. maybe some smoke signals? I am not trolling here nor am I particularly trying to be 'politically correct' but after seeing Sherman Alexie's award winning movie "Smoke Signals" and listening to him (just yesterday on 60 Minutes II) I have a developed a new understanding and respect for Native American symbologies and their relegious significance to them. To quote Alexie:(http://www.fallsapart.com/art-side.html) "Alexie: It's part of the national consciousness. If people start dealing with Indian culture and Indian peoples truthfully in this country, we're going to have to start dealing with the genocide that happened here. In order to start dealing truthfully with our cultures, they have to start dealing truthfully with that great sin, the original sin of this country, and that's not going to happen. Just look at the sports teams. You couldn't have a team called the Washington Kikes or the Washington Micks. But yet you can have the Washington Redskins and this Indian with a big nose and big lips running around. How would you feel if it was the Washington Rabbis and you had a guy with braids running around throwing bagels? Or the Washington Jesuits with some guy handing out communion wafers. It wouldn't happen. So, it's an insult. It's proof of the ways in which we get ignored." So it MIGHT be distasteful to use these Native American metaphors no matter how innocuous they might seem to us. My 2cents worth, bakki -- .-.| Bakki Kudva__Open Source EDMS__ oo|| Navaco ph: 814-833-2592 /`'\| 420 Pasadena Drive fax: 603-947-5747 (\_;/) | Erie, PA 16505 http://www.navaco.com/
Re: dbm locking info in the guide
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Perrin Harkins wrote: Stas Bekman wrote: So basically what you are saying is that sync() is broken and shouldn't be used at all. Something fishy is going on. The purpose of sync() is to flush the modifications to the disk. Saving changes to disk isn't the problem. The issue is that some of the database gets cached in memory when you open the database (even if you don't actually read anything from it), so changes made in other processes will not be seen. To get around this, you would have to somehow reload the cached data from disk just after getting a write lock but before making any changes. Unless you are talking about a process that wants to read after some other process had changed the database, and there is a hazard that the former process has the data cached and will not know that dbm has been modified. Exactly. Keeping the database open is fine as long as you have a read-only app. For read/write, you have to tie/untie every time. Or use BerkeleyDB. Ok, what about calling sync before accesing the database? (read and write) Will it force the process to sync its data with the disk, or will it cause the corruption of the file on the disk, as the process might have a stale data? _ Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://apachetoday.com http://logilune.com/ http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/
Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz) writes: "Geoffrey" == Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: still need more suggestions for a theme that aren't tongue-in-cheek, lol! Why, I thought that was the idea!!! Geoffrey well, of course - but much folly leaves the list Geoffrey innundated with (albeit funny) postings but not much for Geoffrey me to work with... Geoffrey (it's all Randall's fault ;) I actually was seriously suggesting mine. You didn't specify any design criterion that would rule mine out. What was wrong with mine? You mean apart from the trademark infringement? I know, what about "mod_perl is my bNO CARRIER
Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
Well, I've been resisting any replies here, especially since I've *never* been accused of being "politically correct", but since we're tossing in pennies, here are my two: I agree that the use of *any* symbols of a race or religion to represent a sports team (or anything else of that ilk) is at least distasteful, and probably even downright insulting given way those symbols are used in a typical sports setting -- see the Atlanta Braves and their idiot fans' "Tomahawk Chop". However, IMHO, the use of the name "Apache" shouldn't in any way be interpreted as demeaning here. We're using it for something that we all hold in the highest respect -- well written, open, highly useable software that's the most popular in the world for its task. I don't believe I've ever seen any representation of the Apache logos used in any way that connoted anything but respect and admiration. Yes, I'm an *not* of Native American descent (I'd love to hear the viewpoint of someone who *is*...), so maybe there's something that I don't understand here. But I don't think I'd be personally offended if we were calling this "the Italian server", or "the French-Canadian server", or "the American server" (which covers my ethnic backgrounds...;^) In fact, I think I'd feel some pride in having a quality product associated with what I identify with. (And in a little tangent to give folks something to flame, I've never understood why people get so offended about sports teams using "warrior" in their names. My home town recently changed their team names from "The Golden Warriors" to "The Golden Eagles", because of a discussion like the one we're involved in here. Isn't "warriors" a generic term? Weren't there Amazon warriors? The Vikings? The Romans? etc.?) Some folks spend way too much time looking for something to be offended by, again IMHO. That's my 2 (or 3) cents... Steve On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Bakki Kudva wrote: I am not trolling here nor am I particularly trying to be 'politically correct' but after seeing Sherman Alexie's award winning movie "Smoke Signals" and listening to him (just yesterday on 60 Minutes II) I have a developed a new understanding and respect for Native American symbologies and their relegious significance to them. To quote Alexie:(http://www.fallsapart.com/art-side.html) "Alexie: It's part of the national consciousness. If people start dealing with Indian culture and Indian peoples truthfully in this country, we're going to have to start dealing with the genocide that happened here. In order to start dealing truthfully with our cultures, they have to start dealing truthfully with that great sin, the original sin of this country, and that's not going to happen. Just look at the sports teams. You couldn't have a team called the Washington Kikes or the Washington Micks. But yet you can have the Washington Redskins and this Indian with a big nose and big lips running around. How would you feel if it was the Washington Rabbis and you had a guy with braids running around throwing bagels? Or the Washington Jesuits with some guy handing out communion wafers. It wouldn't happen. So, it's an insult. It's proof of the ways in which we get ignored." So it MIGHT be distasteful to use these Native American metaphors no matter how innocuous they might seem to us. My 2cents worth, -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- My God! What have I done? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Steve Reppucci [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Logical Choice Software http://logsoft.com/ |
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RE: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
I realize that the subject is OT, but let's not get into a political (or whatever) debate on the list. there will be no images of anything picking on any particular demographic (be it Python or Native Americans) so please take this discussion offline... I am sorry this turned into something approaching the offensive - I just wanted to give away some shirts... --Geoff
RE: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
--- Geoffrey Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, we may have a winner with the Native American and lamp idea. A coworker suggested a peace pipe (picture an indian smoking perl) instead of a lamp, since you don't see warriors holding lamps often. maybe some smoke signals? Thought about a peace pipe, but wasn't sure how you could make it clear that it was a peace pipe without adding feathers, which you already proscribed. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[Very OT] Politically Correct-ness (was: RE: [OT] ApacheCon BOF)
--- Nick Tonkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Dave Rolsky wrote: . . . I for one would appreciate a design that doesn't fetishize a culture and people that have already had enough abuse at the hands of 'American' people. Hear, hear. Personally I find the very name Apache a little uncomfortabl. I get the joke about it being a patchy server (although now the ratio of original NCSA code to `new' code is so miniscule as to invalidate the patch theme anyway, imho), but the relevance of an http server to the Apache nation escapes me (and the symbolizing of the Apache nation with a feather strikes me as stereotypical at best). soapbox Let's be careful here, people. It was a linguistics joke, not an ethnic one. No 'relevance' was ever intended. Feathers *are* stereotypical of Native American culture, and that was the point. No slur, no insult, no belittlement. Stereotypes bring certain archtypes to mind. End of point. Stereotypes are based on reality, even if only a real misperception. I have Native American heritage myself. I am more offended that someone would be offended on my behalf. Please, let's not start another "issue" here, like complaining about the name of the Atlanta "Braves", or the uproar about the Confederate flag flying over state capitals. /soapbox Now, just in case anyone wonders, I think this is all rather funny. I just don't want it to evolve into pointless flamage. If it bothers anyone, cast you vote and voice against, which is what folks are doing...but please don't be offended. There's way too much of that these days. ;o] Can we please keep the design more focused on technology and geekiness? I concur wholeheartedly. To be honest, I do too, to some degree. The initial suggestion of an indian was a joke, which perhaps I presented poorly. Pleaase accept a genuine apology if it was out of good taste. But the use of a geneie bottle should be just as offensive to those of Arabic descent, which in my opinion should be not offensive at all. Lamp and feather are both archtypical icons. ... So, these three *'s walk into a bar Smile, folks. You're on Candid Email. ;o] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
[ANNOUNCE] Apache::ProxyRewrite 0.14
The uploaded file Apache-ProxyRewrite-0.14.tar.gz has entered CPAN as file: $CPAN/authors/id/C/CG/CGILMORE/Apache-ProxyRewrite-0.14.tar.gz size: 11720 bytes md5: 5d9f08ffb63b78f279bffef5b3afb8dd No action is required on your part Request entered by: CGILMORE (Christian Gilmore) Request entered on: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:34:36 GMT Request completed: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:35:48 GMT Virtually Yours, Id: paused,v 1.72 2000/12/26 15:12:53 k Exp k Apache::ProxyRewrite acts as a reverse-proxy that will rewrite URLs embedded in HTML documents per apache configuration directives. This module was written to allow multiple backend services with discrete URLs to be presented as one service and to allow the proxy to do authentication on the client's behalf. See ProxyRewrite.pm pod for detailed documentation. $Id: README,v 1.1 2001/01/02 23:10:47 cgilmore Exp $ 2001-03-20 Christian Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] o Corrected bug preparing redirect responses. Bug reported by Vsevolod Ilyushchenko. o Parser now handles tags with single quotes. Bug reported by Andrew Carlson. o Made release 0.14. 2001-03-02 Christian Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] o Corrected bug handling tags with whitespace around edges of quotes. o Made release 0.13. 2001-03-02 Christian Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] o Corrected mishandling of URL-shrinking in rewrite_url. o Ensured that parsing loop closes in the case of final missing end tag. o Now unescape headers for proxy request. Bug reported and patched by Eric Kolve. o Removed use of deprecated header_in and header_out in favor of current headers_in and headers_out. o Set-Cookie path is now rewritten. Feature requested by Eric Kolve. o Made release 0.12. 2001-01-14 Christian Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] o Added 'base' as an element of the LINK_ELEMENT hash. Bug reported by Eric Kolve. o Made release 0.11. 2001-01-02 Christian Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] o Made first public release 0.10. $Id: ChangeLog,v 1.6 2001/03/21 16:25:04 cgilmore Exp $ Enjoy, Christian - Christian Gilmore Infrastructure Tools Team Lead Web Multimedia Development Tivoli Systems, Inc.
Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
On 21 Mar 2001, Piers Cawley wrote: You mean apart from the trademark infringement? I know, what about "mod_perl is my bNO CARRIER All your base are belong to mod_perl ?? MBM g, d rlh -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) perl -e 'print reverse split//,"\n.rekcah lreP rehtona tsuJ"' perl -e '$_="\n.rekcah lreP rehtona tsuJ";m!$!;print$while($`=~m,.$,s)'
Re: dbm locking info in the guide
Ok, what about calling sync before accesing the database? (read and write) Will it force the process to sync its data with the disk, or will it cause the corruption of the file on the disk, as the process might have a stale data? Well, that's what we don't know. As David Harris pointed out, if it does do the right thing and re-read from disk, it's probably not much better than re-opening the database. I suppose it would avoid some Perl object creation though, so it would be at least a little faster. - Perrin
RE: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
[extensive snippage] How about a bunch of white shirts? One magic marker per shirt and everyone can draw their own picture of a computer. alternatively, "No-one could decide on an image so all we got was this lousy sentence." Dave
Re: [Very OT] Politically Correct-ness (was: RE: [OT] ApacheCon BOF)
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 08:14:53AM -0800, Paul wrote: --- Nick Tonkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I find the very name Apache a little uncomfortabl. I get the joke about it being a patchy server (although now the ratio of original NCSA code to `new' code is so miniscule as to invalidate the patch theme anyway, imho), but the relevance of an http server to the Apache nation escapes me (and the symbolizing of the Apache nation with a feather strikes me as stereotypical at best). Let's be careful here, people. It was a linguistics joke, not an ethnic one. No 'relevance' was ever intended. i want this thread to die as much as everyone else, but i feel compelled to correct history a bit -- the "a patchy server" story is apocryphal. the name came before the pun. http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-04/behlendorf_02.html (but, really, let this part of the thread die, please.) another note to throw out there -- o'reilly claims trademarks on the camel/perl association and the mod_perl/eagle association, so someone will either need to get permission from them to print a shirt perpetuating those associations, or come up with a different idea. search the list archives for this same discussion from last year. jim
%ENV via PerlTransHandler
question: how does one access the environment variables when using
mod_perl as a transhandler?
I notice that
$r-subprocess_env-do(sub {
my($key, $value) = @_;
$r-warn("$key = $value\n");
1;
});
gives two different sets of results when used via a transhandler or via
PerlTransHandler Apache::Kudos::Test # yields near to nothing in subprocess_env
Location /mod_perl_tutorial
SetHandler perl-script
PerlHandler Apache::Tutorial::First
/Location
The above does give the full ENV variables I would have expected.
Is there a better way to get at ENV stuff than subprocess_env?
- paul
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Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
Steve Reppucci wrote: Some folks spend way too much time looking for something to be offended by, again IMHO. I'm pretty sure that for any thing you might find, I would be able to find someone offended by it. Let's no do anything too obvious (a camel ramming up stuff up Bill Gates ass would probably be a bad choice :-) ) and we'll do fine. -- "Perl appeals to the other side of your brain, whether that's associate, artistic, passionate, or merely spongy." -- Larry Wall
Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
Bakki Kudva wrote: Just look at the sports teams. You couldn't have a team called the Washington Kikes or the Washington Micks. But yet you can have the Washington Redskins and this Indian with a big nose and big lips running around. How would you feel if it was the Washington Rabbis and you had a guy with braids running around throwing bagels? Hey, that would be very funny! And I'm jewish. Guys, relax - I don't believe, that using feathers and/or Apache is offending anyone, esp. because it's a nice piece of software.
Renegotiate Language
Hi. I want to use content negotiation to choose a starting language and return appropriate content. I know how to do that with mod_negotiate. What I would like to add is the possibility for the user to add a language. Therefore I want the server to renegotiate the language with different preferences. How can I do this. Thanx, Joachim -- "... ein Geschlecht erfinderischer Zwerge, die fuer alles gemietet werden koennen."- Bertolt Brecht - Leben des Galilei
Re: [Very OT] Politically Correct-ness (was: RE: [OT] ApacheCon BOF)
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Jim Winstead wrote: another note to throw out there -- o'reilly claims trademarks on the camel/perl association and the mod_perl/eagle association, so someone will either need to get permission from them to print a shirt perpetuating those associations, or come up with a different idea. search the list archives for this same discussion from last year. O'Reilly were happy for me to use the logo provided I proclaimed their copyright on all pages that used it, and provided a link back to them. I don't know how they'd feel about putting it on a T-shirt though, since you can't exactly spatter the t-shirt with trademark declarations (or hrefs!). -- Matt/ /||** Founder and CTO ** ** http://axkit.com/ ** //||** AxKit.com Ltd ** ** XML Application Serving ** // ||** http://axkit.org ** ** XSLT, XPathScript, XSP ** // \\| // ** mod_perl news and resources: http://take23.org ** \\// //\\ // \\
RE: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
Hey! I really like the "camel ramming up stuff up Bill Gates ass" one! Can we go with that? No? Crap! -Original Message- From: pp [mailto:pp]On Behalf Of Pierre Phaneuf Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:52 AM To: mod_perl list Subject: Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF Steve Reppucci wrote: Some folks spend way too much time looking for something to be offended by, again IMHO. I'm pretty sure that for any thing you might find, I would be able to find someone offended by it. Let's no do anything too obvious (a camel ramming up stuff up Bill Gates ass would probably be a bad choice :-) ) and we'll do fine. -- "Perl appeals to the other side of your brain, whether that's associate, artistic, passionate, or merely spongy." -- Larry Wall
Re: Renegotiate Language
Joachim Zobel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi. I want to use content negotiation to choose a starting language and return appropriate content. I know how to do that with mod_negotiate. What I would like to add is the possibility for the user to add a language. Therefore I want the server to renegotiate the language with different preferences. How can I do this. Look at the HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE environment variable? I've done this and actually got resistance from Brazilians who preferred the Engligh content. You might be better off with a user preference. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
RE: %ENV via PerlTransHandler
-Original Message- From: Paul Evad To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 3/21/01 1:36 PM Subject: %ENV via PerlTransHandler question: how does one access the environment variables when using mod_perl as a transhandler? what kind of stuff are you expecting HTTP_REFERER and company via PerlSetupEnv On? I'm not sure, but maybe this gets populated after translation (which might make sense since it is unknown that the file is a cgi script until after translation). haven't checked it, though, and I stopped relying on those long ago... --Geoff
Getting MAC address
Is there a way to get a person MAC address using apache, mod_perl or javascript. I have yet to find a way to do this? I need a way to uniquely identify the computer a person is using (i.e. not ip address). John Whitnack
Re[2]: understanding memory via ps -ely | grep http
What's about FreeBSD? If shared memory is not compiled in kernel of FreeBSD I cant use GTop module because of absant of shared memory. So I dont know is there performance affect or not. In case apache is compiled as DSO and mod_perl is a loadable module, how mod_perl will use shared memory(i.e. absant of shared memory) in this case? Or I must compile FreeBSD with shared memory support for using this performance technique? Thx. Ruslan. Skipped I understand that the RSS is the resident size in KB and the SZ column is the size of the process, but what should I be seeing in the way of reduced memory? The 13MB/18MB is not much different from when I don't preload anything. Should I be seeing something else? I probably am not understanding what to look for. Any suggestions or observations would be appreciated. SB You want to read the first sections of: SB http://perl.apache.org/guide/performance.html SB particularly: SB http://perl.apache.org/guide/performance.html#Know_Your_Operating_System
Re: Getting MAC address
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, John Whitnack wrote: Is there a way to get a person MAC address using apache, mod_perl or javascript. I have yet to find a way to do this? I need a way to uniquely identify the computer a person is using (i.e. not ip address). Bear in mind that a MAC address is something specific to an *Ethernet* network. ATM networks have their own addressing scheme and other networks will have theirs. This would only work if the person is on the same *link layer network* as you, ie, non-routed (because then you'll just get the mac of the router). The answer is to parse the output of arp -a, or equivalent... MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped. -- Elbert Hubbard
Re: Getting MAC address
John Whitnack wrote: Is there a way to get a person MAC address using apache, mod_perl or javascript. I have yet to find a way to do this? I need a way to uniquely identify the computer a person is using (i.e. not ip address). John Whitnack No. This information should not be available utilizing any of these methods...and if it was, I'm sure the privacy advocates would fight as hard against utilizing MAC addresses as they did the Intel processor unique identifiers. I assume you probably want to do this to prevent spoofing of ip/server names??? Emad
Re: Getting MAC address
you can only get a MAC address for those machines which are on your same subnet. if you are using linux/unix try: arp sorry - but there is no reliable way to identify machines across the internet. that is why there are 'cookies'. intel tried to make this possible by embedding a number into their chips, but us privacy freaks had their heads. -- ___cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.genwax.com/ John Whitnack wrote: Is there a way to get a person MAC address using apache, mod_perl or javascript. I have yet to find a way to do this? I need a way to uniquely identify the computer a person is using (i.e. not ip address). John Whitnack
Re: Getting MAC address
Hello, JWIs there a way to get a person MAC address using apache, mod_perl or JWjavascript. I have yet to find a way to do this? I need a way to JWuniquely identify the computer a person is using (i.e. not ip address). If you mean the MAC address of the remote client who is connecting to your server, no. This information isn't included in the request sent to you. Using cookies as identification mechanisms is probably the way to go. Humbly, Andrew -- Andrew Ho http://www.tellme.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice 650-930-9062 Tellme Networks, Inc. 1-800-555-TELLFax 650-930-9101 --
Reading Apache config info from mod_perl
How can I get at the value of Apache config directive like AuthUserFile or Port from within my mod_perl code? I don't want to pass the values using PerlSetVar because that would require the sysadmin to edit both the Apache config directive and my PerlSetVar if he makes a change - too error prone. -- Richard Anderson, Ph.D. Raycosoft, LLC
Re: understanding memory via ps -ely | grep http
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's about FreeBSD? If shared memory is not compiled in kernel of FreeBSD I cant use GTop module because of absant of shared memory. So I dont know is there performance affect or not. You do not have shared memory enabled in your kernel? Any reason? I'd say that most Unix machines in the world have use for shared memory at some point in time, it's a pretty safe thing to enable. Anyway, the "share" thing in GTop is not about "SysV shared memory IPC", but rather about memory shared between related processes (if they load the same libraries for example, the kernel could share the read-only parts of the library between the two processes instead of loading two copies, thus saving memory). -- "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and Unix. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Farber (EED)) wrote: Bakki Kudva wrote: Just look at the sports teams. You couldn't have a team called the Washington Kikes or the Washington Micks. But yet you can have the Washington Redskins and this Indian with a big nose and big lips running around. How would you feel if it was the Washington Rabbis and you had a guy with braids running around throwing bagels? Hey, that would be very funny! And I'm jewish. It sounds like kind of a funny idea in theory, perhaps for a Saturday Night Live skit, but how horrible it would be if this were actually carried out with a real team and a real city. Guys, relax - I don't believe, that using feathers and/or Apache is offending anyone, esp. because it's a nice piece of software. That may be right, but I live in a community with a lot of Native Americans, I have a (pretty small) bit of Cherokee heritage myself, and there's no way in hell I'm going to wear, in public, a shirt that uses stereotypical Indian symbols to promote something as far removed as web server software. It would feel like an affront on my chest. Anyway, it seems the shirt isn't going toward this idea, so in that sense the point is moot, but some of the discussion has really been rubbing me the wrong way. I don't think it's proper for one person to dictate the situations in which another person is supposed to take offense, and the situations in which he/she shouldn't. That's not how emotions work. ------ Ken Williams Last Bastion of Euclidity [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Math Forum
[ANNOUNCE] Tie::Cache v.15
Hey,
The latest Tie::Cache is in CPAN, mostly a bugfix release
for the MaxCount config which I broke in .11, changes below.
Also, some benchmark numbers are below from the test.pl script
run on my Linux PIII 450.
--Josh
NAME
Tie::Cache - LRU Cache in Memory
SYNOPSIS
use Tie::Cache;
tie %cache, 'Tie::Cache', 100, { Debug = 1 };
tie %cache2, 'Tie::Cache', { MaxCount = 100, MaxBytes = 5 };
tie %cache3, 'Tie::Cache', 100, { Debug = 1 , WriteSync = 0};
DESCRIPTION
This module implements a least recently used (LRU) cache in memory
through a tie interface. Any time data is stored in the tied hash, that
key/value pair has an entry time associated with it, and as the cache
fills up, those members of the cache that are the oldest are removed to
make room for new entries.
So, the cache only "remembers" the last written entries, up to the size
of the cache. This can be especially useful if you access great amounts
of data, but only access a minority of the data a majority of the time.
Benchmarking operations on Tie::Cache of size 5000
[ timing ] insert of 5000 elements into normal %hash 0.04 CPU
[ timing ] insert of 5000 elements into MaxCount Tie::Cache 0.63 CPU
[ timing ] insert of 5000 elements into MaxBytes Tie::Cache 0.93 CPU
[ timing ] reading 5000 elements from normal %hash0.01 CPU
[ timing ] reading 5000 elements from MaxCount Tie::Cache 0.34 CPU
[ timing ] reading 5000 elements from MaxBytes Tie::Cache 0.33 CPU
[ timing ] deleting 5000 elements from normal %hash 0.06 CPU
[ timing ] deleting 5000 elements from MaxCount Tie::Cache0.42 CPU
[ timing ] deleting 5000 elements from MaxBytes Tie::Cache0.25 CPU
CHANGES
$MODULE = "Tie::Cache"; $VERSION = .15; $DATE = 'TBA';
+ Better test.pl timing output, also differentiate between
cache with MaxBytes setting and one with just MaxCount,
as MaxBytes is a bit slower for data size calculations.
+ Better Tie::Cache options / object config error checking,
die() on obvious misconfigurations that will get developers
in trouble.
- MaxSize only set if MaxSize or MaxBytes are defined,
was defaulting to 1 otherwise, killing basic MaxCount config.
+ Optimizations for common use where Tie::Cache is not
subclassed for write()/read() API
