Re: ANN/RFC: Apache::Session::Generate variants
If you have other things on your mind, that's fine. That's why I suggested you should consider letting someone else maintain it. I know I'm not the only person frustrated by the current state of affairs. My solution to this problem is, that I have created a package named Apache::SessionX which subclasses Apache::Session and contains all the eXtentsion I need (most of them for Embperl, but they are also usefull outside of Embperl). This also contains a replacement for Apache::Session::Flex which can be configured via Makefile.PL and make test is testing if this really works on the system. The main point why I wrote this is, that Jeff doesn't like to have some of the functionality in the Apache::Session base class and I can bugfix and maintain it myself, without waiting for the next release of Apache::Session (there are also some ways to subsubclass Apache::Session::x:y packages build in) It is currently available from ftp://ftp.dev.ecos.de/pub/perl/session/ and will be soon released to CPAN Gerald - Gerald Richterecos electronic communication services gmbh Internetconnect * Webserver/-design/-datenbanken * Consulting Post: Tulpenstrasse 5 D-55276 Dienheim b. Mainz E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice:+49 6133 925131 WWW:http://www.ecos.de Fax: +49 6133 925152 -
Re: ANN/RFC: Apache::Session::Generate variants
On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Gerald Richter wrote: If you have other things on your mind, that's fine. That's why I suggested you should consider letting someone else maintain it. I know I'm not the only person frustrated by the current state of affairs. My solution to this problem is, that I have created a package named Apache::SessionX which subclasses Apache::Session and contains all the eXtentsion I need (most of them for Embperl, but they are also usefull outside of Embperl). This also contains a replacement for Apache::Session::Flex which can be configured via Makefile.PL and make test is testing if this really works on the system. See, Gerald is a smart fellow, and I like that he never threatened to take over my modules. -jwb
Re: ANN/RFC: Apache::Session::Generate variants
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:06:33 -0500 (CDT) Dave Rolsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff, if you're still maintaining this package it'd be nice to put out a new release. If not, it'd be good to give it to someone else. Hell, I'll volunteer if no one more interested comes along. I don't have any big plans for it but I can at least integrate patches and such. Apache::Session is in use in a lot of places and it would be good to have an active maintainer. ++1. And I don't mind taking over, if nobody else wants to. -- Tatsuhiko Miyagawa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ANN/RFC: Apache::Session::Generate variants
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: Well, you guys are touchy lot! My releases are no less frequent than releases of DBI or even mod_perl. So just chill out, I sometimes have other things on my mind. I don't know about touchy so much as frustrated. Apache::Session is very widely used but it doesn't feel well supported. Comparing it to DBI or mod_perl seems a bit silly. It is not as widely used as either and is far less complex. My big concern is that there is a fatal error in Apache::Session::Flex that makes it completely unusable. You've known about this for at least 9-12 months but you haven't bothered to release a simple bugfix release for it. Its a 3-4 line change! The only way around it is to constantly patch my local copies or use a hack work-around code which subclasses Flex to fix the populate method. This is stupid. I don't really want to reinvent the wheel or tell people not to use Apache::Session, but its getter harder to avoid either. If you have other things on your mind, that's fine. That's why I suggested you should consider letting someone else maintain it. I know I'm not the only person frustrated by the current state of affairs. -dave /*== www.urth.org We await the New Sun ==*/
Re: ANN/RFC: Apache::Session::Generate variants
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Dave Rolsky wrote: On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: Well, you guys are touchy lot! My releases are no less frequent than releases of DBI or even mod_perl. So just chill out, I sometimes have other things on my mind. I don't know about touchy so much as frustrated. Apache::Session is very widely used but it doesn't feel well supported. Comparing it to DBI or mod_perl seems a bit silly. It is not as widely used as either and is far less complex. My big concern is that there is a fatal error in Apache::Session::Flex that makes it completely unusable. You've known about this for at least 9-12 months but you haven't bothered to release a simple bugfix release for it. Its a 3-4 line change! Then package it up, send me the tarball, and I'll upload it to CPAN. Repeatedly sending me patches isn't any more likely to get me to pay attention to it. Regarding Flex, nobody uses it. It is for debugging. If you have a particular variant of Flex that you use all the time (very likely), you can code up a 6-line module to make a real implementation like all the other session modules. Flex is for debugging, period. Version 1.54 is uploaded to CPAN so go nuts. -jwb
ANN/RFC: Apache::Session::Generate variants
Here is Apache::Session::Generate::* variants, which especially uses Apache standard C-modules. Apache::Session::Generate::ModUniqueId http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUniqueId-0.01.tar.gz http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUniqueId-0.01.html uses mod_unique_id for session id. Apache::Session::Generate::ModUsertrack http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUsertrack-0.01.tar.gz http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUsertrack-0.01.html uses mod_usertrack's cookie for session id. Suggestions patches are welcome. Thanks. -- Tatsuhiko Miyagawa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ANN/RFC: Apache::Session::Generate variants
Here is Apache::Session::Generate::* variants, which especially uses Apache standard C-modules. Apache::Session::Generate::ModUniqueId http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUniqueId-0.01.ta r.gz http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUniqueId-0.01.ht ml uses mod_unique_id for session id. Apache::Session::Generate::ModUsertrack http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUsertrack-0.01.t ar.gz http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUsertrack-0.01.h tml uses mod_usertrack's cookie for session id. This is great! Good work. One less piece to write when getting a new project started... - Perrin
Re: ANN/RFC: Apache::Session::Generate variants
These are now on CPAN, which I've forgotten to mention. Note that if you try to use these modules functionality, Apache::Session::Flex should be patched with one included in both tarballs. Thanks. On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:30:29 +0900 Tatsuhiko Miyagawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is Apache::Session::Generate::* variants, which especially uses Apache standard C-modules. Apache::Session::Generate::ModUniqueId http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUniqueId-0.01.tar.gz http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUniqueId-0.01.html uses mod_unique_id for session id. Apache::Session::Generate::ModUsertrack http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUsertrack-0.01.tar.gz http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUsertrack-0.01.html uses mod_usertrack's cookie for session id. -- Tatsuhiko Miyagawa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ANN/RFC: Apache::Session::Generate variants
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Tatsuhiko Miyagawa wrote: Note that if you try to use these modules functionality, Apache::Session::Flex should be patched with one included in both tarballs. I sent a patch to Jeffrey last week or such that (I imagine) covers the same thing. -- ask bjoern hansen, http://ask.netcetera.dk/ !try; do(); more than a billion impressions per week, http://valueclick.com
Re: ANN/RFC: Apache::Session::Generate variants
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Tatsuhiko Miyagawa wrote: Here is Apache::Session::Generate::* variants, which especially uses Apache standard C-modules. Apache::Session::Generate::ModUniqueId http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUniqueId-0.01.tar.gz http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUniqueId-0.01.html uses mod_unique_id for session id. Cool. Apache::Session::Generate::ModUsertrack http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUsertrack-0.01.tar.gz http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUsertrack-0.01.html uses mod_usertrack's cookie for session id. Don't do that! mod_usertrack is not meant to be used for secure session ids. - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://ask.netcetera.dk/ !try; do(); more than a billion impressions per week, http://valueclick.com
Re: ANN/RFC: Apache::Session::Generate variants
On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Ask Bjoern Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apache::Session::Generate::ModUsertrack http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUsertrack-0.01.tar.gz http://bulknews.net/lib/archives/Apache-Session-Generate-ModUsertrack-0.01.html uses mod_usertrack's cookie for session id. Don't do that! mod_usertrack is not meant to be used for secure session ids. I know, I know! just an example of using *already tracked* cookie for newly generated sessions. My another plan is to release my session id tracking modules, which Apache::Session doesn't do. -- Tatsuhiko Miyagawa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ANN/RFC: Apache::Session::Generate variants
On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Ask Bjoern Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that if you try to use these modules functionality, Apache::Session::Flex should be patched with one included in both tarballs. I sent a patch to Jeffrey last week or such that (I imagine) covers the same thing. Wow, I did almost half a year ago :-) http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/modperl/532294 -- Tatsuhiko Miyagawa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ANN/RFC: Apache::Session::Generate variants
On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Tatsuhiko Miyagawa wrote: Wow, I did almost half a year ago :-) http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/modperl/532294 Yeah, and I think I sent one a year ago, at least. Jeff, if you're still maintaining this package it'd be nice to put out a new release. If not, it'd be good to give it to someone else. Hell, I'll volunteer if no one more interested comes along. I don't have any big plans for it but I can at least integrate patches and such. Apache::Session is in use in a lot of places and it would be good to have an active maintainer. -dave /*== www.urth.org We await the New Sun ==*/
