Re: Ultimate Bulletin Board? Jezuz.
To all who responded to my original post about UBB: thanks. Thanks to all the great feedback, we have decided to punt UBB and are using wwwthreads instead. you might want to look into vBulletin, it is used on a lot of different sites is written in php with a MySQL back end and looks very similar to UBB. yes, but as an engineer i can't condone the use of PHP, sorry... You might want to consider WWWThreads (http://www.wwwthreads.com/). Code is simple to read/understand, and it works out of the box under Apache::Registry. ok, so now I am using wwwthreads and although the code is cleaner, it's still pretty ugly. there's SQL embedded all throughout the perl everywhere (who does this?! oh my god, are they on crack?), not to mention the HTML embedded all throughout the perl (are they on glue?), so it's pretty much a dog's breakfast of code and written by a script hacker who at least knew enough to write neat, well-commented rubbish. having said all that, it's much cheaper than UBB, far superior in overall design, and DB-driven... and it works beautifully, so i can't complain too much. :-) still makes my life miserable integrating it with an existing user-database... i wish programming were like driving; people should be licensed to program. cheerz kyle Software Engineer Central Park Software http://www.centralparksoftware.com
Re: Ultimate Bulletin Board? Jezuz.
On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, Kyle Dawkins wrote: having said all that, it's much cheaper than UBB, far superior in overall design, and DB-driven... and it works beautifully, so i can't complain too much. :-) And has at least one major security hole (at least the 3.51 version did, which was the last free version). Do a search at Security Focus for details. Patching it is relatively easy. -dave /*== www.urth.org We await the New Sun ==*/
Re: Ultimate Bulletin Board? Jezuz.
At 18:16 27.07.01 -0400, you wrote: 1 the quality of [perl] code in UBB is so phenomenally bad i can't believe people pay money for it. i can't believe it works (but it does). has anyone else ever experienced it? i guess i need a support group... it makes me cry and cuts me to the bone when i (free scripts) out there which is read by newbies to leslike this is good. oh my god. it should be drop-kicked off the planet. There is a lot of such dirt here. Lots of free perl scripts are like this. And they are read by newbies to learn. UBB won't scale well. They are doing linear searches on textfiles to find users, where they load the whole file into memory. We decided to go with yabb, after I had a look at these sources. We needed to integrate it with our users database, and yabb has readable, structured sources. If you need info on getting yabb to run with PerlRun, send me a mail. I did this and I might be able to find out what I did. Joachim -- ... ein Geschlecht erfinderischer Zwerge, die fuer alles gemietet werden koennen.- Bertolt Brecht - Leben des Galilei
Re: Ultimate Bulletin Board? Jezuz.
Hi, you might want to look into vBulletin, it is used on a lot of different sites is written in php with a MySQL back end and looks very similar to UBB. yes, but as an engineer i can't condone the use of PHP, sorry... You might want to consider WWWThreads (http://www.wwwthreads.com/). Code is simple to read/understand, and it works out of the box under Apache::Registry. 2. any problems with it under mod_perl? I have it running fine under PerlRun but I am not so sure it'll behave under Registry. Give up on this. If you have the resources to run mod_perl, no reason you should be using UBB. Use something with an SQL backend. If you do decide you want to stick with UBB, feel free to drop me an email as I've written several conversion scripts and can give you some pointers on how the member database is stored. Cheers, Alex -- Gossamer Threads Inc. -- This email was brought to you by Gossamer Mail 2 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/scripts/webmail/
RE: Ultimate Bulletin Board? Jezuz.
It has been a while since I did a comparison but I have mwforum (http://www.mawic.de/mwforum) running under mod_perl without any trouble. I think it is distantly related to wwwthreads but still under the GPL. Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 10:42 AM To: kyle dawkins Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ultimate Bulletin Board? Jezuz. Hi, you might want to look into vBulletin, it is used on a lot of different sites is written in php with a MySQL back end and looks very similar to UBB. yes, but as an engineer i can't condone the use of PHP, sorry... You might want to consider WWWThreads (http://www.wwwthreads.com/). Code is simple to read/understand, and it works out of the box under Apache::Registry. 2. any problems with it under mod_perl? I have it running fine under PerlRun but I am not so sure it'll behave under Registry. Give up on this. If you have the resources to run mod_perl, no reason you should be using UBB. Use something with an SQL backend. If you do decide you want to stick with UBB, feel free to drop me an email as I've written several conversion scripts and can give you some pointers on how the member database is stored. Cheers, Alex -- Gossamer Threads Inc. -- This email was brought to you by Gossamer Mail 2 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/scripts/webmail/
Ultimate Bulletin Board? Jezuz.
hey all two reasons for posting this. i am tasked with the job of integrating Ultimate Bulletin Board (or UBB, from http://www.infopop.com) into a client's site. they have an existing user database of many many thousands of users, and they want all these users to be able to read and post in the discussion forums provided by UBB. it's easy to install and easy to get to run under mod_perl. they provide source and you can modify it for your site. now, my reasons for posting to the list: 1. the quality of [perl] code in UBB is so phenomenally bad i can't believe people pay money for it. i can't believe it works (but it does). has anyone else ever experienced it? i guess i need a support group... it makes me cry and cuts me to the bone when i think that there are actually people out there who think that code like this is good. oh my god. it should be drop-kicked off the planet. 2. any problems with it under mod_perl? I have it running fine under PerlRun but I am not so sure it'll behave under Registry. i should just go bury my head in the sand. kyle dawkins software engineer central park software [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.centralparksoftware.com
Re: Ultimate Bulletin Board? Jezuz.
i am tasked with the job of integrating Ultimate Bulletin Board (or UBB, from http://www.infopop.com) into a client's site. they have an I'm sorry. We were running the UBB for a while and have had a few headaches. 1. the quality of [perl] code in UBB is so phenomenally bad i can't believe people pay money for it. i can't believe it works (but it does). has anyone else ever experienced it? i guess i need a support group... it makes me cry and cuts me to the bone when i think that there are actually people out there who think that code like this is good. oh my god. it should be drop-kicked off the planet. Good lord are you right. You'd think that after all the revisions they've had of this software so far, somebody might have found a tab key or something. Also, note that it technically doesn't always work. The big thing you should watch out for is if one forum gets too many threads (usually when one of ours would reach around the 3000 mark), the software will just die. It'll completely lock up and use almost all the CPU until you go in and kill the apache processes. This was on a pretty fast machine in the meantime... 2. any problems with it under mod_perl? I have it running fine under PerlRun but I am not so sure it'll behave under Registry. I believe we ran it under PerlRun as well, but Registry I remember having some issues with. I'm sure that it can be tweaked to run under Registry, but as you said, the code is so horrific that after a couple of hours of pouring over that madness, I decided that I preferred jamming nails into my forehead as opposed to trying to get it to work right. This was an old version, btw, about 1 year old from now, so maybe things are better. *chortle* BTW, we ended up shifting over to vBulletin (PHP) and that's been behaving well, though the conversion to Slashcode is underway... Brian Nilsen
Re: Ultimate Bulletin Board? Jezuz.
Tom Servo wrote: i am tasked with the job of integrating Ultimate Bulletin Board (or UBB, from http://www.infopop.com) into a client's site. they have an 2. any problems with it under mod_perl? I have it running fine under PerlRun but I am not so sure it'll behave under Registry. I believe we ran it under PerlRun as well, but Registry I remember having some issues with. I'm sure that it can be tweaked to run under Registry, but as you said, the code is so horrific that after a couple of hours of pouring over that madness, I decided that I preferred jamming nails into my forehead as opposed to trying to get it to work right. This was an old version, btw, about 1 year old from now, so maybe things are better. A friend of mine runs a community server that runs various sites. The server has decent hardware and gets a medium amount of traffic. However, one of the sites is running a UBB. It's causing a ton of disk I/O, driving up the load to a consistent 3 or 4. I've tried getting it to run under Registry as well, with little success. Basically my conclusion was that it needs a good rewrite, to properly use an SQL database and caching. Each page should be loading in .01 seconds, not 2-3 seconds. I believe it was the lastest version that we were working with as well. UBB is easy to use... to bad the code isn't. This reminds me of Bugzilla. It is plain nasty to debug and extend that code, never mind to get it to run under Registry. -- Regards, Wim Kerkhoff, Software Engineer Merilus, Inc. -|- http://www.merilus.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Ultimate Bulletin Board? Jezuz.
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, kyle dawkins wrote: 1. the quality of [perl] code in UBB is so phenomenally bad i can't believe people pay money for it. i can't believe it works (but it does). has anyone else ever experienced it? i guess i need a support group... it makes me cry and cuts me to the bone when i think that there are actually people out there who think that code like this is good. oh my god. it should be drop-kicked off the planet. At mp3.com, we ran UBB for the first year or so and ended up totally rewriting the bottom end to make it perform better and actually make it semi-secure. Finally we ended up getting rid of it for some other in house code. you might want to look into vBulletin, it is used on a lot of different sites is written in php with a MySQL back end and looks very similar to UBB. 2. any problems with it under mod_perl? I have it running fine under PerlRun but I am not so sure it'll behave under Registry. Our old version was written in perl 4 and definately wasn't able to be run under mod_perl. We actually fork()/exec()'d like mad for the first year, UBB looked nice, but is hell underneath. Cheers, -- Sander van Zoest [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Covalent Technologies, Inc. http://www.covalent.net/ +1 (415) 536-5218 http://Sander.vanZoest.com/
Re: Ultimate Bulletin Board? Jezuz.
Sander van Zoest wrote: At mp3.com, we ran UBB for the first year or so and ended up totally rewriting the bottom end to make it perform better and actually make it semi-secure. Finally we ended up getting rid of it for some other in house code. i am worried that i'm going to have to do that... you might want to look into vBulletin, it is used on a lot of different sites is written in php with a MySQL back end and looks very similar to UBB. yes, but as an engineer i can't condone the use of PHP, sorry... 2. any problems with it under mod_perl? I have it running fine under PerlRun but I am not so sure it'll behave under Registry. Our old version was written in perl 4 and definately wasn't able to be run under mod_perl. We actually fork()/exec()'d like mad for the first year, UBB looked nice, but is hell underneath. sigh... it's STILL perl 4. but it makes me glad to know i'm not the only person to struggle with this beast... cheerz kyle software engineer central park software http://www.centralparksoftware.com
