why you should reply to the list
Perrin Harkins wrote: On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 18:41, Bruce Tennant wrote: Can we fix the list so that when a person replies, it defaults to the list address and not the posters? Read the following thread: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-modperlm=99790842623617w=2 Please advise on another way to tell people to respond to the list and not in private. I used to receive much less off-list replies earlier. Normally when people followup to my reply in private, I don't know what to do about it. I simply bounce it back to the list if it's obvious that the poster just didn't know better. However in some cases an off-list email means that the poster did *not* want it to be seen in public, so I end up asking the person whether she ment to send it to the list in first place, but hit 'Reply' instead of 'Reply-All'. So we have another 2 emails going back in forth. So instead of generating 1 email we end up with 4 in the best case. Now multiply by the number of misdirected emails. Moreover when people correct their mistake they usually end up forwarding the email, they sent to off-list, losing all reference email ids, which breaks the thread in the archives. Purhaps adding a list signature: Always post followups back to the list! will help, but who reads that. __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide --- http://perl.apache.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com -- Reporting bugs: http://perl.apache.org/bugs/ Mail list info: http://perl.apache.org/maillist/modperl.html
Re: why you should reply to the list
Stas Bekman wrote: Please advise on another way to tell people to respond to the list and not in private. I used to receive much less off-list replies earlier. I actually couldn't care less what the reply-to header for the list is, since I will just reply all as I always have. I posted the reference to the earlier thread because anyone who wants to bring it up should at least be aware of what was said in previous discussions. - Perrin -- Reporting bugs: http://perl.apache.org/bugs/ Mail list info: http://perl.apache.org/maillist/modperl.html
Re: why you should reply to the list
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Stas Bekman wrote: Please advise on another way to tell people to respond to the list and not in private. I used to receive much less off-list replies earlier. [snip] Purhaps adding a list signature: Always post followups back to the list! will help, but who reads that. Unfortunately I think we've all seen enough unsubscribe me emails to know that people don't read the info that is *already* being added to the outgoing mail... Stas, you probably get it worst just because of the volume of mail you send to the list (which we're all grateful for!). Maybe when you do your mod_perl list reading you should just configure your outgoing email with: Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kind of a pain for you though... Larry Leszczynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Reporting bugs: http://perl.apache.org/bugs/ Mail list info: http://perl.apache.org/maillist/modperl.html
Re: why you should reply to the list
Larry Leszczynski wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Stas Bekman wrote: Please advise on another way to tell people to respond to the list and not in private. I used to receive much less off-list replies earlier. [snip] Purhaps adding a list signature: Always post followups back to the list! will help, but who reads that. Unfortunately I think we've all seen enough unsubscribe me emails to know that people don't read the info that is *already* being added to the outgoing mail... One can argue that it's not obvious that one has to look at the headers to find out the unsubscribe information. Most modern mail-clients hide the headers by default. You need to know that you want to look at them. I think the new signature that Ask has added last week doesn't leave place for such valid excuses ;) Stas, you probably get it worst just because of the volume of mail you send to the list (which we're all grateful for!). Maybe when you do your mod_perl list reading you should just configure your outgoing email with: Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kind of a pain for you though... Hmm, that's an idea. Won't the list software strip this header? I shell try it now. If it works I should just figure out how to add an outgoing mozilla-mail filter to push this header, if the email is sent to the modperl list. Thanks for the idea, Larry! __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide --- http://perl.apache.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com -- Reporting bugs: http://perl.apache.org/bugs/ Mail list info: http://perl.apache.org/maillist/modperl.html
Re: why you should reply to the list
On 8/26/03 8:48 PM, Stas Bekman [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Larry Leszczynski wrote: On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Stas Bekman wrote: Please advise on another way to tell people to respond to the list and not in private. I used to receive much less off-list replies earlier. [snip] Purhaps adding a list signature: Always post followups back to the list! will help, but who reads that. Unfortunately I think we've all seen enough unsubscribe me emails to know that people don't read the info that is *already* being added to the outgoing mail... One can argue that it's not obvious that one has to look at the headers to find out the unsubscribe information. Most modern mail-clients hide the headers by default. You need to know that you want to look at them. I think the new signature that Ask has added last week doesn't leave place for such valid excuses ;) Stas, you probably get it worst just because of the volume of mail you send to the list (which we're all grateful for!). Maybe when you do your mod_perl list reading you should just configure your outgoing email with: Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kind of a pain for you though... Hmm, that's an idea. Won't the list software strip this header? I shell try it now. If it works I should just figure out how to add an outgoing mozilla-mail filter to push this header, if the email is sent to the modperl list. I thought this was a strange behavior for the list messages when I realized that I had replied, accidentally, to Stas personally and not the list. I subscribe to six lists, and mod_perl is the *only* one where my email reader automatically replies to the sender and not the list. All the other lists automatically put the list email address in the Reply-to: of the distributed posts, thus making replying to the list the default. Couldn't that be changed for modperl? Douglas -- Reporting bugs: http://perl.apache.org/bugs/ Mail list info: http://perl.apache.org/maillist/modperl.html
Re: why you should reply to the list
Douglas Theobald wrote: I thought this was a strange behavior for the list messages when I realized that I had replied, accidentally, to Stas personally and not the list. I subscribe to six lists, and mod_perl is the *only* one where my email reader automatically replies to the sender and not the list. All the other lists automatically put the list email address in the Reply-to: of the distributed posts, thus making replying to the list the default. Couldn't that be changed for modperl? Perrin has already replied to this, as we have discussed this many times in the last 7 years: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-modperlm=99790842623617w=2 While there is no consensus on this dispute please remember to use the 'Reply-All' function/button when replying to the list. It'll work for other lists which use the 'Reply-To' header as well. __ Stas BekmanJAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide --- http://perl.apache.org mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com -- Reporting bugs: http://perl.apache.org/bugs/ Mail list info: http://perl.apache.org/maillist/modperl.html
Re: why you should reply to the list
On 8/26/03 10:00 PM, Stas Bekman [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Douglas Theobald wrote: I thought this was a strange behavior for the list messages when I realized that I had replied, accidentally, to Stas personally and not the list. I subscribe to six lists, and mod_perl is the *only* one where my email reader automatically replies to the sender and not the list. All the other lists automatically put the list email address in the Reply-to: of the distributed posts, thus making replying to the list the default. Couldn't that be changed for modperl? Perrin has already replied to this, as we have discussed this many times in the last 7 years: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-modperlm=99790842623617w=2 Sorry, I had no idea this was such a fun topic ... While there is no consensus on this dispute please remember to use the 'Reply-All' function/button when replying to the list. It'll work for other lists which use the 'Reply-To' header as well. Except 'Reply-All' duplicates emails unnecessarily, so currently I have different methods depending upon which list I'm replying to. C'est la vie. -- Reporting bugs: http://perl.apache.org/bugs/ Mail list info: http://perl.apache.org/maillist/modperl.html
Re: why you should reply to the list
Douglas == Douglas Theobald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Douglas All the other lists automatically put the list email address Douglas in the Reply-to: of the distributed posts, thus making Douglas replying to the list the default. Couldn't that be changed Douglas for modperl? Eeek. Please make the bad man stop, mommy! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! -- Reporting bugs: http://perl.apache.org/bugs/ Mail list info: http://perl.apache.org/maillist/modperl.html
Re: why you should reply to the list
Ok compare: == w/Reply-To "munged" 1) Left click on from line, copy 2) hit reply, replace list email w/sender email 3) type away == w/out reply to, reply to whole list 1) hit reply, DOH! reply all 2) cut out senders email address or he gets duplicate mails (YES I DONT WANT TO READ IT TWICE!) 3) type away Seems the "common" case is easier in the "munged" way, and MUCH harder in the normal way. It's a mail list, mail lists aren't normal email, reply-to munging is not as bad as that article made it out to be. I'll shut-up now since I started this thread (and have been reading duplicate if you didn't notice). "Randal L. Schwartz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Douglas" == Douglas Theobald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>writes:Douglas All the other lists automatically put the list email addressDouglas in the Reply-to: of the distributed posts, thus makingDouglas replying to the list the default. Couldn't that be changedDouglas for modperl?"Eeek. Please make the bad man stop, mommy!"-- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!-- Reporting bugs: http://perl.apache.org/bugs/Mail list info: http://perl.apache.org/maillist/modperl.htmlwww.bluewolverine.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
