Re: I think we can just scrap CPAN Ratings altogether
I quite like CPAN Ratings, and find that most of the ratings are useful. That there is some junk in there is no reason to kill it off. An improvement would be to turn it into a forum, maybe merge with CPAN forums but keeping reviews separate from technical support questions. (Bad reviews such as how do I compile module X can be moved into technical support forums too.) Reviews that are voted as useless can be culled by moderators. Rob A. Pagaltzis wrote: This sort of thing is lunacy. What's the point of MODULE REVIEWS if they're going to be turned into crusade vehicles? I am writing to this list instead of responding in a no-rating review over there precisely because that would be abuse of the system – of course, that means the visibility of my response is much smaller than that of Adam's ill-considered vigilantism.
Re: I think we can just scrap CPAN Ratings altogether
* Robert Rothenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-12 12:35]: I quite like CPAN Ratings, and find that most of the ratings are useful. That there is some junk in there is no reason to kill it off. The subject was hyperbole – obviously, I hope. But I felt the need to voice objection stronger than just by voting “not helpful” on that particular piece of junk. An improvement would be to turn it into a forum, maybe merge with CPAN forums but keeping reviews separate from technical support questions. (Bad reviews such as how do I compile module X can be moved into technical support forums too.) Reviews that are voted as useless can be culled by moderators. I think that’s the most sensible suggestion so far. Now for someone to supply the tuits and JFDI for it… :-) Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis // http://plasmasturm.org/
Re: I think we can just scrap CPAN Ratings altogether
Le lundi 12 juin 2006 à 20:09, A. Pagaltzis écrivait: An improvement would be to turn it into a forum, maybe merge with CPAN forums but keeping reviews separate from technical support questions. (Bad reviews such as how do I compile module X can be moved into technical support forums too.) Reviews that are voted as useless can be culled by moderators. I think that’s the most sensible suggestion so far. Now for someone to supply the tuits and JFDI for it… :-) A forum? As in a place for flames and uninformed discussion? How exactly is that an improvement? :-) However, having review editors that can act based on the useful/useless votes is enough to remove the occasional junk comment (or spam ?). -- Philippe BooK Bruhat Be careful when you take one side or the other. You could wind up in the middle.(Moral from Groo The Wanderer #33 (Epic))
Re: I think we can just scrap CPAN Ratings altogether
* Philippe BooK Bruhat [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-12 20:55]: Le lundi 12 juin 2006 à 20:09, A. Pagaltzis écrivait: An improvement would be to turn it into a forum, maybe merge with CPAN forums but keeping reviews separate from technical support questions. (Bad reviews such as how do I compile module X can be moved into technical support forums too.) Reviews that are voted as useless can be culled by moderators. I think that’s the most sensible suggestion so far. Now for someone to supply the tuits and JFDI for it… :-) A forum? As in a place for flames and uninformed discussion? How exactly is that an improvement? :-) Some would argue that’s what CPAN Ratings already is. ;-) (I don’t see it as bleakly, but I don’t see forums quite that bleakly either ;-) ) However, having review editors that can act based on the useful/useless votes is enough to remove the occasional junk comment (or spam ?). Well, the idea is mainly, I think, to have someplace sensible to move “cna u help me i cant compiel tihs” droppings, as well as a way to keep the occasional “this isn’t a review, I want to respond to that other review” junk from cluttering the place. Shrug. I dunno. Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis // http://plasmasturm.org/
Re: I think we can just scrap CPAN Ratings altogether
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 12:32:48PM -0500, Ken Williams wrote: I think the real value that most people find in the ratings is not the quantitative data but the qualitative written reviews. Making that more integrated with various other search/browse sites might be cool, but even then it might help turn CPAN from a collaborative sharing space into a competitive, bashing, NIH space, which would be too bad. Perhaps at least the number of reviews could be factored into searches, or the at least the presence of /any/ reviews. I always find it easier to evaluate a module when I can see what others think about it as well. Mark
Re: I think we can just scrap CPAN Ratings altogether
A. Pagaltzis wrote: * Adam Kennedy [2006-05-23 11:10:13] Data-Pageset (1.03) — 1 star: This is reciprocal karma for the author one-starring a competing module and advertising his own. Bad form. (not a commentary on how this works) This sort of thing is lunacy. What’s the point of MODULE REVIEWS if they’re going to be turned into crusade vehicles? Can't we just move the site to cpanrantings.org? That's the spelling I've always used :-) Sam.
Re: I think we can just scrap CPAN Ratings altogether
* Sam Vilain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-25 09:05]: Can't we just move the site to cpanrantings.org? That's the spelling I've always used :-) Works for me… Well, actually, I’d *like* to think it could be more useful than that… but I am wondering if there is any hope. :-/ Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis // http://plasmasturm.org/
Re: I think we can just scrap CPAN Ratings altogether
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 03:25:46PM +0200, A. Pagaltzis wrote: * Sam Vilain [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-25 09:05]: Can't we just move the site to cpanrantings.org? That's the spelling I've always used :-) Works for me??? Well, actually, I???d *like* to think it could be more useful than that??? but I am wondering if there is any hope. :-/ I already find CPAN ratings useful, and would find it even more useful if it was further integrated with search.cpan.org. For example, allowing to sort results by rating. I did this on Skatepark.org, and include the unrated items at the bottom. (Which encourages people to rate things they like!) Alternatively, it could be useful if cpanratings.perl.org allowed some way to browse modules by topic or keyword, with a sorting by rating. Mark
I think we can just scrap CPAN Ratings altogether
* Adam Kennedy [2006-05-23 11:10:13] Data-Pageset (1.03) — 1 star: This is reciprocal karma for the author one-starring a competing module and advertising his own. Bad form. (not a commentary on how this works) This sort of thing is lunacy. What’s the point of MODULE REVIEWS if they’re going to be turned into crusade vehicles? I am writing to this list instead of responding in a no-rating review over there precisely because that would be abuse of the system – of course, that means the visibility of my response is much smaller than that of Adam’s ill-considered vigilantism. Adam, dude: there are “Was this review helpful to you?” voting links on each review for exactly this purpose. I voted “No” on Leo Lapworth’s review, which at the time of this writing has a count of 0 out of 8. And I voted a Big, Fat NO on yours as well. /flame Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis // http://plasmasturm.org/
Re: I think we can just scrap CPAN Ratings altogether
A. Pagaltzis writes: * Adam Kennedy [2006-05-23 11:10:13] Data-Pageset (1.03) ??? 1 star: This is reciprocal karma for the author one-starring a competing module and advertising his own. Bad form. (not a commentary on how this works) This sort of thing is lunacy. What???s the point of MODULE REVIEWS if they???re going to be turned into crusade vehicles? I agree: I only care about whether a module is good enough to use, not what else the author may've done elsewhere. Fortunately I don't think this matters too much. At the moment a typical module has so few reviews that if I'm investigating it I will bother to read all of them, so I can easily discount comments such as the above. If Cpan Ratings becomes so popular that this is no longer feasible that'll mean a module's overall star rating is an average of so many ratings that the odd bogus rating will have little impact. Adam, dude: there are ???Was this review helpful to you voting links on each review for exactly this purpose. I voted ???No??? on Leo Lapworth???s review, (I hadn't read Leo's review (on Data::Page::Set) until now, but I don't see what's so terrible about it. He's providing the information to a potential user of Data::Page::Set that he considers Data::Pageset to be much more flexable[*0]; that's useful to know. And he even admits to being the author of the module he's recommending, so that readers can see his potential for bias and take that into account; not mentioning this would be sneaky, but as it is nobody can read Leo's review without realizing it's just his opinion and that he isn't a disinterested party. People who have encountered Leo or his work before can also use that to help them decide how much to trust his opinion of a rival module. which at the time of this writing has a count of 0 out of 8. If I were in the market for a module dealing with pagesets I'd appreciate the existence of Leo's comment -- so I've just made the above 1 out of 9!) But ... the above is all in brackets because it's irrelevant to having an opinion on Adam's 'reciprocal karma' rating: it isn't that I don't think Adam should've attacked Leo because I don't see the problem with Leo's actions, but that I simply don't think it's an appropriate use of Cpan Ratings to launch attacks like this at all. [*0] And also that he can't spell flexible; that's less useful to know. Smylers
Re: I think we can just scrap CPAN Ratings altogether
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why stop at scrapping CPAN ratings? Let's scrap all of human nature and design a massive robot infrastructure to take over all operations, then just relax in baths of warm goo with wires attached to our brains and enjoy hallucinations of normal late-nineties life, until of course Keanu Reeves will show up and wreck everything. May I have the red pill please ? Chuck
Re: I think we can just scrap CPAN Ratings altogether
* David Nicol [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-24 19:15]: why stop at scrapping CPAN ratings? Let's scrap all of human nature and design a massive robot infrastructure to take over all operations, then just relax in baths of warm goo with wires attached to our brains and enjoy hallucinations of normal late-nineties life, until of course Keanu Reeves will show up and wreck everything. Did you have a point? Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis // http://plasmasturm.org/
Re: I think we can just scrap CPAN Ratings altogether
On May 24, 2006, at 12:13 PM, David Nicol wrote: why stop at scrapping CPAN ratings? Let's scrap all of human nature and design a massive robot infrastructure to take over all operations, then just relax in baths of warm goo with wires attached to our brains and enjoy hallucinations of normal late-nineties life, until of course Keanu Reeves will show up and wreck everything. Sounds like a plan. You work out the infrastructure, I'll mix up some Gin Tonics to keep the rest of us happy. -Ken
Re: I think we can just scrap CPAN Ratings altogether
On 5/24/06, A. Pagaltzis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * David Nicol [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-24 19:15]: why stop at scrapping CPAN ratings? Let's scrap all of human nature and design a massive robot infrastructure to take over all operations, then just relax in baths of warm goo with wires attached to our brains and enjoy hallucinations of normal late-nineties life, until of course Keanu Reeves will show up and wreck everything. Did you have a point? That some of us welcome our robot masters? - Kurt
