Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

don't be silly Tommy. I'm happy to discuss 
anything with anyone. different viewpoints are great
however I fail to see any reason for you to call 
me an apologist for Heritage. We're discussing 
something here, I'm expressing my viewpoint and 
my viewpoint only. I haven't spoken to Grey about 
this thread and I have no idea if he's aware of it.


but my points are all the same points I would make for any company or person.
obviously, they see the need to raise the BP. I 
haven't asked why, but seeing as I know my biz 
costs only go in one direction, that would be my suspicion.


have fun.. bid or not with HA, maybe that means I 
might not have to clash with one other collector ; - )



At 04:03 PM 6/17/2016, Tommy Barr wrote:

Rich,

I've always enjoyed doing business with you so 
hope we're not going to fall out over this, but 
I don't really understand why you fell the need 
to be the apologist for HA. My original question 
was not about the BP per se, but about the 
increase from $14 to $19, and that's what I was 
seeking justification for. Anyway, midnight here 
in UK and I'm off to bed. I think this 
particular topic has just about run its distance. Night all.


TommyÂ

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Richard 
Halegua Comic Art <sa...@comic-art.com> wrote:

why does he need to respond Tommy?
Those of you who don't like the BP can bid or 
not if you choose, HA isn't going to eliminate 
the BP because some people don't like it

so what comment would he make?
they have a BP. It's not a hidden cost. When I 
buy something, my only concern is getting it for 
a price I can deal with. Lately, because I'm 
largely winnowed down to needing the expensive 
or rare items, I'm having to deal with bigger 
prices and almost nothing I buy is under $100. 
in which case the bp means nothing to me, 
especially as I account for it when I'm bidding, 
always. I have a little paper chart next to the 
computer for the sig auctions so I can check it easily


the first time I ever bid in a live auction, I 
was confused by the BP. This would have been at 
a local auction to where I was living at the 
time. First time I bid at Christies in the 1980s, they had a BP.

I've grown up paying BP..

if I don't want to pay the BP, I don't bid.
exactly what solution would you be expecting Grey to post for you?

Rich


At 03:44 PM 6/17/2016, Tommy Barr wrote:
'Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. 
he's making money for his employer'


Really? We know HA access this site as they 
promote their listings here, but he is so busy 
making money that he simply ignores a forum of 
collector/dealers, possibly some of his best 
clients, when his business model is being 
criticized, and that's not corporate arrogance?




On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:29 PM, MPB Warehouse 
<wareho...@comic-art.com > wrote:

unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item.


sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic 
definition of the work involved in A) listing 
material for sale.. and B) being in business


I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, 
but first you have to gather (in HA's case) 500 posters

then you have to send them down to the photography dept
then they have to be individually catalogued
then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the site
you have to promote the auctions
you have to answer the questions
then you have to have the orders pulled individually
you have to send them down to shipping
shipping has top package & post them
all that is just the A)

the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your lights.
you have to pay your employees, your software designer
you have to pay for all that advertising you do

I probably haven't even touched the surface

this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we 
work out the bugs on the new software - the 
labor is extensive and I have other stuff to do




as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum is quite deafening.


Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. 
he's making money for his employer




Tommy

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby 
McDaniel <ki...@movieart.com> wrote:

David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHHING?
Thanks, David.
Kirby McDaniel


On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David 
<shadow@gmail.com> wrote:
Have read all comments I guess the overriding 
point is going to be one of cost. Like 
everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 
poster as it does a $20 and so rather than 
turn away business at the bottom end HA are 
are simply going to charge you for it - why 
shouldn't they? How many dealers sell posters 
for a $1, and are happy to do so?
I bet there is very few, most would not even 
bother stocking a $1 poster let alone selling 
one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by 
the time eBay take their slice of the action, 
the cost of materials, your time what's left 

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Doug Taylor]

I haven’t needed to call on Grey that often, but he has always been pretty
quick to respond to me.  I suspect he’s out of touch, somehow.  It is school
break in the US and he is between auctions.

 

Regards

 

Doug Taylor

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To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

 

Hey,
  Give the guy the benefit of the doubt.  Maybe he's not in the office for
the past couple of days.  I know he has kids college age, so maybe he's out
of state at a graduation.  I know in the past, he is usually quick to
respond to any questions we have here on the forumjust a thought..
 
Sue
Hollywood Poster Frames
 

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:44:39 +0100
From: tommymb...@gmail.com  
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU  

'Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
employer'

 

Really? We know HA access this site as they promote their listings here, but
he is so busy making money that he simply ignores a forum of
collector/dealers, possibly some of his best clients, when his business
model is being criticized, and that's not corporate arrogance?

 

 

 

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:29 PM, MPB Warehouse  > wrote:

unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item.


sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic definition of the work involved in A)
listing material for sale.. and B) being in business

I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, but first you have to gather
(in HA's case) 500 posters
then you have to send them down to the photography dept
then they have to be individually catalogued
then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the site
you have to promote the auctions
you have to answer the questions
then you have to have the orders pulled individually
you have to send them down to shipping
shipping has top package & post them
all that is just the A)

the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your lights.
you have to pay your employees, your software designer
you have to pay for all that advertising you do

I probably haven't even touched the surface

this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we work out the bugs on the new
software - the labor is extensive and I have other stuff to do



as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum is quite deafening.


Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
employer



Tommy

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel  > wrote:

David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?

Thanks, David.

Kirby McDaniel



On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David  > wrote:

Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be one of
cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as it does a
$20 and so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA are are
simply going to charge you for it - why shouldn't they? How many dealers
sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?

I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1 poster let
alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by the time eBay
take their slice of the action, the cost of materials, your time what's left
for you?

For others who sell via their websites you probably already know you can set
a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if you have set one then
what's the difference between you and HA?

It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.



David




Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:

Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a minimum
buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how they
justify that? 

Tommy


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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Tommy Barr]

Rich,

I've always enjoyed doing business with you so hope we're not going to fall
out over this, but I don't really understand why you fell the need to be
the apologist for HA. My original question was not about the BP per se, but
about the increase from $14 to $19, and that's what I was seeking
justification for. Anyway, midnight here in UK and I'm off to bed. I think
this particular topic has just about run its distance. Night all.

Tommy

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:56 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art <
sa...@comic-art.com> wrote:

> why does he need to respond Tommy?
> Those of you who don't like the BP can bid or not if you choose, HA isn't
> going to eliminate the BP because some people don't like it
> so what comment would he make?
> they have a BP. It's not a hidden cost. When I buy something, my only
> concern is getting it for a price I can deal with. Lately, because I'm
> largely winnowed down to needing the expensive or rare items, I'm having to
> deal with bigger prices and almost nothing I buy is under $100. in which
> case the bp means nothing to me, especially as I account for it when I'm
> bidding, always. I have a little paper chart next to the computer for the
> sig auctions so I can check it easily
>
> the first time I ever bid in a live auction, I was confused by the BP.
> This would have been at a local auction to where I was living at the time.
> First time I bid at Christies in the 1980s, they had a BP.
> I've grown up paying BP..
>
> if I don't want to pay the BP, I don't bid.
> exactly what solution would you be expecting Grey to post for you?
>
> Rich
>
>
> At 03:44 PM 6/17/2016, Tommy Barr wrote:
>
> 'Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
> employer'
>
> Really? We know HA access this site as they promote their listings here,
> but he is so busy making money that he simply ignores a forum of
> collector/dealers, possibly some of his best clients, when his business
> model is being criticized, and that's not corporate arrogance?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:29 PM, MPB Warehouse  > wrote:
>
> unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item.
>
>
> sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic definition of the work involved in
> A) listing material for sale.. and B) being in business
>
> I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, but first you have to
> gather (in HA's case) 500 posters
> then you have to send them down to the photography dept
> then they have to be individually catalogued
> then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the site
> you have to promote the auctions
> you have to answer the questions
> then you have to have the orders pulled individually
> you have to send them down to shipping
> shipping has top package & post them
> all that is just the A)
>
> the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your lights.
> you have to pay your employees, your software designer
> you have to pay for all that advertising you do
>
> I probably haven't even touched the surface
>
> this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we work out the bugs on the
> new software - the labor is extensive and I have other stuff to do
>
>
> as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum is quite deafening.
>
>
> Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
> employer
>
>
> Tommy
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel 
> wrote: David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?
> Thanks, David.
> Kirby McDaniel
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David  > wrote:
> Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be one of
> cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as it does a
> $20 and so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA are are
> simply going to charge you for it - why shouldn't they? How many dealers
> sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?
> I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1 poster
> let alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by the time
> eBay take their slice of the action, the cost of materials, your time
> what's left for you?
> For others who sell via their websites you probably already know you can
> set a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if you have set one
> then what's the difference between you and HA?
> It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.
>
> David
>
>
> Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:
>
> Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a
> minimum buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how
> they justify that?
> Tommy
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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Susan]

Hey,
  Give the guy the benefit of the doubt.  Maybe he's not in the office for the 
past couple of days.  I know he has kids college age, so maybe he's out of 
state at a graduation.  I know in the past, he is usually quick to respond to 
any questions we have here on the forumjust a thought..
 
Sue
Hollywood Poster Frames
 
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 23:44:39 +0100
From: tommymb...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU

'Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his 
employer'
Really? We know HA access this site as they promote their listings here, but he 
is so busy making money that he simply ignores a forum of collector/dealers, 
possibly some of his best clients, when his business model is being criticized, 
and that's not corporate arrogance?



On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:29 PM, MPB Warehouse  wrote:


unlike HA who have no outlay
other than the cost of listing the item.

sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic definition of the work involved in
A) listing material for sale.. and B) being in business


I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, but first you have to
gather (in HA's case) 500 posters

then you have to send them down to the photography dept

then they have to be individually catalogued

then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the
site

you have to promote the auctions

you have to answer the questions

then you have to have the orders pulled individually

you have to send them down to shipping

shipping has top package & post them

all that is just the A)


the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your
lights.

you have to pay your employees, your software designer

you have to pay for all that advertising you do


I probably haven't even touched the surface


this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we work out the bugs on the
new software - the labor is extensive and I have other stuff to
do




as I said before, the silence
from HA on this forum is quite deafening.

Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
employer




Tommy


On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel

wrote:



David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?



Thanks, David.



Kirby McDaniel





On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David

wrote:



Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be
one of cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as
it does a $20 and so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA
are are simply going to charge you for it - why shouldn't they? How many
dealers sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?



I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1
poster let alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by
the time eBay take their slice of the action, the cost of materials, your
time what's left for you?



For others who sell via their websites you probably already know you
can set a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if you have set
one then what's the difference between you and HA?



It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.





David






Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:


Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a
minimum buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how
they justify that? 



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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Richard C Evans]

Agree with this.

Isn't any effect likely to be on items you could get elsewhere anyway?

And if its felt to be prohibitive then Heritage will lose out, though probably 
not on something they care about losing out on.

I've sold in the signature auctions and bought in those once or twice.

As far as the weekly ones, never bothered, more inclined to use other weekly 
auctions. Probably a feeling that Heritage isn't the place to be buying items 
at that level.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 16 Jun 2016, at 19:37, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art 
>  wrote:
> 
> I largely agree with Ira and disagree with Simon in some ways
> 
> for the most part, I win very little under $100, and so the $19 min bp means 
> nothing as I'm already paying 19.5%
> 
> if you only bid in the signature auctions, then the $19 min has no effect as 
> nothing sells under $100 in those, so you're only talking about Sunday 
> auctions and in case people don't pay attention, the average item price in an 
> HA sale is $70-100 on a weekly basis (last week they did just short of $41k 
> on 496 listings est $82 per item, with bp).
> 
> it has at best, a small effect
> 
> what about those sellers who drive down prices by selling massive amount of 
> posters for $20 and less, including silent & golden age material that 
> previously sold for much higher prices? Aren't they a negative worth 
> discussing? Don't they have a greater effect on collectors, devaluing their 
> collections in real time? 
> 
> Nobody forces anyone to do business with any specific entity. You can choose 
> who you spend money with, just like I do. (this is part of the 
> capiltalist/consumerist theory)
> If HA has something you want this week, I seriously doubt the extra $5 has 
> much of a curtailing aspect to it
> 
> Rich
> 
> 
> At 08:29 AM 6/16/2016, Ira Rubenstein wrote:
>> I guess I come at this from a collector view.   And I have never sold 
>> anything that I have bought before.   So I am probably a little naïve about 
>> it all.And if I was selling a lot of items, then of course I would want 
>> a maximum of options to sell through.
>> 
>> To me the relationship between auction houses and dealers is symbiotic.  
>> They both need each other.Dealers bid on auction items all the time in 
>> an effort to find something to resell.   This helps maintain a floor on 
>> pricing. I am sure dealers sell through auctions at times well when they 
>> need to liquidate or manage inventory.  And I don’t think this is 
>> exclusive to Movie Posters.   (Books, Coins, Stamps, Baseball cards, Art, 
>> etc…)All areas of collections have dealers and auction houses. 
>> 
>> From a collectors stand point I have relationships with many dealers both in 
>> Movie Posters and Animation art.   One animation art dealer has done an 
>> exceptional job of always calling me when he finds something he knows I will 
>> be interested in.Many others don’t. But as a collector it is also 
>> fun to participate in Auctions because there is always one item you are 
>> looking for.  Comes up from time to time.  You lose out a few times and then 
>> you win.   And the fun is to finally win.   And at a price you can afford.   
>> Or you realize you have to save more to get what you want. OR you see a 
>> poster you have never seen before and you decide it looks amazing and you 
>> want to hang it on your wall.   That’s the fun of discovery.   
>> 
>> So to me,  having healthy auction houses and healthy dealers is best for 
>> everyone.   I don’t think one can survive without the other.   And I don’t 
>> think it is a win/lose situation. 
>> 
>> I can’t speak to people leaving the hobby or staying in it.   I would think 
>> a lot of it is age of the typical collecting consumer and what type of films 
>> they grew up with.I am amazed at what 80’s film posters are selling for 
>> when I know there are tens of thousands of copies of each one.(Having 
>> worked in the film marketing world)  To me,  these are the films of 
>> their youth and that’s what they want to hang on their wall.It can also 
>> be that as people get older they look at getting rid of things,  smaller 
>> homes,   wanting the money to do other things as they live in retirement.
>> 
>>  I can also see for myself in the next 10 to 15 years as I downsize,  I will 
>> probably be forced to look hard at starting to sell my collection.And 
>> figuring out the best way to do that.  Who knows,  it may be my retirement 
>> career,   joining all of you in the dealer world.  :) 
>> 
>> Personally, as a collector/consumer I do like Heritage and I like Bruce at 
>> emovieposter. The auctions are well run.   Accurate descriptions.  
>> Pictures.  Billing and packing are easy.  A lot done digitally.   Heritage 
>> Live on a mobile platform is very impressive tech.  In my area of work,  
>> I am always reminding people to focus on the consumer and both of 

Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

why does he need to respond Tommy?
Those of you who don't like the BP can bid or not 
if you choose, HA isn't going to eliminate the BP 
because some people don't like it

so what comment would he make?
they have a BP. It's not a hidden cost. When I 
buy something, my only concern is getting it for 
a price I can deal with. Lately, because I'm 
largely winnowed down to needing the expensive or 
rare items, I'm having to deal with bigger prices 
and almost nothing I buy is under $100. in which 
case the bp means nothing to me, especially as I 
account for it when I'm bidding, always. I have a 
little paper chart next to the computer for the 
sig auctions so I can check it easily


the first time I ever bid in a live auction, I 
was confused by the BP. This would have been at a 
local auction to where I was living at the time. 
First time I bid at Christies in the 1980s, they had a BP.

I've grown up paying BP..

if I don't want to pay the BP, I don't bid.
exactly what solution would you be expecting Grey to post for you?

Rich


At 03:44 PM 6/17/2016, Tommy Barr wrote:
'Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. 
he's making money for his employer'


Really? We know HA access this site as they 
promote their listings here, but he is so busy 
making money that he simply ignores a forum of 
collector/dealers, possibly some of his best 
clients, when his business model is being 
criticized, and that's not corporate arrogance?




On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:29 PM, MPB Warehouse 
<wareho...@comic-art.com> wrote:

unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item.


sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic 
definition of the work involved in A) listing 
material for sale.. and B) being in business


I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, 
but first you have to gather (in HA's case) 500 posters

then you have to send them down to the photography dept
then they have to be individually catalogued
then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the site
you have to promote the auctions
you have to answer the questions
then you have to have the orders pulled individually
you have to send them down to shipping
shipping has top package & post them
all that is just the A)

the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your lights.
you have to pay your employees, your software designer
you have to pay for all that advertising you do

I probably haven't even touched the surface

this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we 
work out the bugs on the new software - the 
labor is extensive and I have other stuff to do




as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum is quite deafening.


Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. 
he's making money for his employer




Tommy

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby 
McDaniel <ki...@movieart.com> wrote:

David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?
Thanks, David.
Kirby McDaniel


On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David 
<shadow@gmail.com> wrote:
Have read all comments I guess the overriding 
point is going to be one of cost. Like 
everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 
poster as it does a $20 and so rather than 
turn away business at the bottom end HA are 
are simply going to charge you for it - why 
shouldn't they? How many dealers sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?
I bet there is very few, most would not even 
bother stocking a $1 poster let alone selling 
one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by 
the time eBay take their slice of the action, 
the cost of materials, your time what's left for you?
For others who sell via their websites you 
probably already know you can set a minimum 
purchase value on the shopping cart - if you 
have set one then what's the difference between you and HA?

It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.

David


Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:
Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage 
Auctions is charging a minimum buyer's 
commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how they justify that?

Tommy


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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Tommy Barr]

'Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
employer'

Really? We know HA access this site as they promote their listings here,
but he is so busy making money that he simply ignores a forum of
collector/dealers, possibly some of his best clients, when his business
model is being criticized, and that's not corporate arrogance?



On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 11:29 PM, MPB Warehouse 
wrote:

> unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item.
>
>
> sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic definition of the work involved in
> A) listing material for sale.. and B) being in business
>
> I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, but first you have to
> gather (in HA's case) 500 posters
> then you have to send them down to the photography dept
> then they have to be individually catalogued
> then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the site
> you have to promote the auctions
> you have to answer the questions
> then you have to have the orders pulled individually
> you have to send them down to shipping
> shipping has top package & post them
> all that is just the A)
>
> the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your lights.
> you have to pay your employees, your software designer
> you have to pay for all that advertising you do
>
> I probably haven't even touched the surface
>
> this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we work out the bugs on the
> new software - the labor is extensive and I have other stuff to do
>
>
> as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum is quite deafening.
>
>
> Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. he's making money for his
> employer
>
>
> Tommy
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel 
> wrote:
> David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?
>
> Thanks, David.
>
> Kirby McDaniel
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David  > wrote:
>
> Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be one of
> cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as it does a
> $20 and so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA are are
> simply going to charge you for it - why shouldn't they? How many dealers
> sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?
>
> I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1 poster
> let alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by the time
> eBay take their slice of the action, the cost of materials, your time
> what's left for you?
>
> For others who sell via their websites you probably already know you can
> set a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if you have set one
> then what's the difference between you and HA?
>
> It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:
>
> Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a
> minimum buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how
> they justify that?
>
> Tommy
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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

As an aside, I've no idea what HA charge in commission to consign a 
poster that realises (say) $5, is it 75% of the net sell price (ex 
BP)? Is it really a quick buck to send a cheap poster to HA?


I believe $5 posters are only going to come in with collections and 
they will not accept consignments of only sub-par material.
I don't even bother sending them stuff I don't expect will get a 
hefty sum. I have a rare poster coming up with them and it could go 
for 1000 or 10,000. (we'll be finding out!)
as to consignment fees, I believe they have a single % for your 
entire consignment, just like I do on MPB or Pete does on MPE and 
it's something below $30%
hey.. if you consign an uber-expensive item to them, I know for a 
fact that'll even deal the % down


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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[David]

/Tommy Barr wrote: "HA do not have to sell posters for low amounts, they 
are choosing to do it, and then asking the buyer to pay for their 
decision."/


The bidder does not have to bid for the poster either, when he does bid 
he is agreeing with HA charges - and that was their decision, no one elses.


Even before the bidder places their bid they are told what the/total 
/cost of the bid is, and again when they place a bid they are asked 
"Please confirm your bid of $X ($XX w/ BP)". If someone chooses to then 
place a bid surely they are agreeing with the cost, it's not hidden, 
there's is in fact a double opt-out option for the bidder. You don't get 
that at a live auction.


I'm not saying the prices are not exorbitant but people can vote with 
their wallet.


As an aside, I've no idea what HA charge in commission to consign a 
poster that realises (say) $5, is it 75% of the net sell price (ex BP)? 
Is it really a quick buck to send a cheap poster to HA?


David


Tommy Barr wrote on 18/06/2016 8:07 AM:
Sorry, but that's missing the point. HA do not have to sell posters 
for low amounts, they are choosing to do it, and then asking the buyer 
to pay for their decision. If I want to sell a poster for $10 I don't 
say the poster will cost you $10 but I also want a further $19 for my 
trouble.I could try selling it for a fixed price of $29 but if that is 
way above its market value who is going to buy it?  Anyway, I have 
bought and own the poster and hope someone else might want it, unlike 
HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item. They 
are attracting consignors with low value posters because they know 
that even if the consignor only makes a few cents they will still make 
quite big bucks. No reason why they shouldn't, indeed, just as there 
is no reason why the collector should avoid such one-sided business 
practice.  And, as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum is 
quite deafening.


Tommy

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel > wrote:


David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?

Thanks, David.

Kirby McDaniel



On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David > wrote:

Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to
be one of cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200
poster as it does a $20 and so rather than turn away business at
the bottom end HA are are simply going to charge you for it - why
shouldn't they? How many dealers sell posters for a $1, and are
happy to do so?

I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1
poster let alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1
- by the time eBay take their slice of the action, the cost of
materials, your time what's left for you?

For others who sell via their websites you probably already know
you can set a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if
you have set one then what's the difference between you and HA?

It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.


David



Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:

Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is
charging a minimum buyer's commission of $19, an increase of
36%. I just wonder how they justify that?

Tommy



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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[MPB Warehouse]

unlike HA who have no outlay other than the cost of listing the item.


sorry Tommy, that is such a simplistic definition 
of the work involved in A) listing material for sale.. and B) being in business


I wish it was as simple as snapping my fingers, 
but first you have to gather (in HA's case) 500 posters

then you have to send them down to the photography dept
then they have to be individually catalogued
then the catalogued list needs to be converted or uploaded etc to the site
you have to promote the auctions
you have to answer the questions
then you have to have the orders pulled individually
you have to send them down to shipping
shipping has top package & post them
all that is just the A)

the B) is that you have to pay for your website, your rent, your lights.
you have to pay your employees, your software designer
you have to pay for all that advertising you do

I probably haven't even touched the surface

this is why I have fewer auctions, even when we 
work out the bugs on the new software - the labor 
is extensive and I have other stuff to do




as I said before, the silence from HA on this forum is quite deafening.


Grey doesn't have time to mess with the group. 
he's making money for his employer




Tommy

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel 
<ki...@movieart.com> wrote:

David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?

Thanks, David.

Kirby McDaniel


On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David 
<shadow@gmail.com> wrote:


Have read all comments I guess the overriding 
point is going to be one of cost. Like 
everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 
poster as it does a $20 and so rather than turn 
away business at the bottom end HA are are 
simply going to charge you for it - why 
shouldn't they? How many dealers sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?


I bet there is very few, most would not even 
bother stocking a $1 poster let alone selling 
one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by 
the time eBay take their slice of the action, 
the cost of materials, your time what's left for you?


For others who sell via their websites you 
probably already know you can set a minimum 
purchase value on the shopping cart - if you 
have set one then what's the difference between you and HA?


It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.


David



Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:
Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage 
Auctions is charging a minimum buyer's 
commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how they justify that?


Tommy


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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Tommy Barr]

Sorry, but that's missing the point. HA do not have to sell posters for low
amounts, they are choosing to do it, and then asking the buyer to pay for
their decision. If I want to sell a poster for $10 I don't say the poster
will cost you $10 but I also want a further $19 for my trouble.I could try
selling it for a fixed price of $29 but if that is way above its market
value who is going to buy it?  Anyway, I have bought and own the poster and
hope someone else might want it, unlike HA who have no outlay other than
the cost of listing the item. They are attracting consignors with low value
posters because they know that even if the consignor only makes a few cents
they will still make quite big bucks. No reason why they shouldn't, indeed,
just as there is no reason why the collector should avoid such one-sided
business practice.  And, as I said before, the silence from HA on this
forum is quite deafening.

Tommy

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Kirby McDaniel  wrote:

> David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?
>
> Thanks, David.
>
> Kirby McDaniel
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David  > wrote:
>
> Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be one of
> cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as it does a
> $20 and so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA are are
> simply going to charge you for it - why shouldn't they? How many dealers
> sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?
>
> I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1 poster
> let alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by the time
> eBay take their slice of the action, the cost of materials, your time
> what's left for you?
>
> For others who sell via their websites you probably already know you can
> set a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if you have set one
> then what's the difference between you and HA?
>
> It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:
>
> Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a
> minimum buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how
> they justify that?
>
> Tommy
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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Kirby McDaniel]

David is correct.  Who wants to work for NOTHING?

Thanks, David.

Kirby McDaniel


> On Jun 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, David  wrote:
> 
> Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be one of 
> cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as it does a 
> $20 and so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA are are simply 
> going to charge you for it - why shouldn't they? How many dealers sell 
> posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?
> I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1 poster let 
> alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by the time eBay 
> take their slice of the action, the cost of materials, your time what's left 
> for you?
> 
> For others who sell via their websites you probably already know you can set 
> a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if you have set one then 
> what's the difference between you and HA?
> 
> It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.
> 
> 
> David
> 
> 
> Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:
>> Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a minimum 
>> buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder how they 
>> justify that?
>> 
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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[David]

Have read all comments I guess the overriding point is going to be one 
of cost. Like everyone, it costs the same to handle a $200 poster as it 
does a $20 and so rather than turn away business at the bottom end HA 
are are simply going to charge you for it - why shouldn't they? How many 
dealers sell posters for a $1, and are happy to do so?


I bet there is very few, most would not even bother stocking a $1 poster 
let alone selling one. Try selling a poster on eBay for $1 - by the time 
eBay take their slice of the action, the cost of materials, your time 
what's left for you?


For others who sell via their websites you probably already know you can 
set a minimum purchase value on the shopping cart - if you have set one 
then what's the difference between you and HA?


It's expensive to sell stuff cheap.


David



Tommy Barr wrote on 16/06/2016 7:21 PM:
Just noticed that from this weekend Heritage Auctions is charging a 
minimum buyer's commission of $19, an increase of 36%. I just wonder 
how they justify that?


Tommy



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[MOPO] SIX SHEET FOR THE SHRIKE

[Kirby McDaniel]

 


*This is the only poster we have on this title.  Condition is fine.  I
don't think I've ever seen this at auction.  We will sell this six sheet
for*
*$40.00 + shipping.  *


*Kirby McDaniel*
*post...@movieart.com *
*512 4 79 6680*

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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Wim Jansen]

Hear hear! as they say
Op 17 jun. 2016, om 19:08 heeft Simon Oram  het 
volgende geschreven:

> Ah that quote of mine might seem as though it came out of nowhere, I meant to 
> post to the list but only replied to Helmut..here it is in it’s entirety..
>  
> “Well said!
>  
> A healthy business is not all about money. I don’t resent rising prices, in 
> fact I would say in lots of cases on the posters themselves, prices have 
> fallen. My point being if, one place is seen to be the only place to be, then 
> that’s bad and when they know it, it’s even worse.
>  
> I’ve noticed in the past some private dealers getting nice items on their 
> sites and I’m damn sure they haven't been able to sell them at the price they 
> want so they consign those items to Heritage..not good for small business.”
>  
>  
> Simon
>  
> From: Helmut Hamm
> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 5:38 PM
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges
>  
>  
>> I’ve noticed in the past some private dealers getting nice items on their 
>> sites and I’m damn sure they haven't been able to sell them at the price 
>> they want so they consign those items to Heritage..not good for small 
>> business.
> 
>  
> Unfortunately, that seems to be true.
>  
> Too many people just LOVE to buy from the biggest players in the market. 
> Needless to say it's often the same people who fail to support their 
> neighborhood shops who are the first to whine when yet another small business 
> closes down.
>  
> Nobody can compete with the money Heritage can throw around, but PLEASE do 
> not whine when the day comes that all small dealers have gone out of business.
>  
> If you have any doubt about the true nature of the modern-day 'corporation', 
> this 2003 documentary is highly recommended:
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMNZXV7jOG0
>  
> It's educating and quite entertaining as well.
>  
> Helmut
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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Simon Oram]

Ah that quote of mine might seem as though it came out of nowhere, I meant to 
post to the list but only replied to Helmut..here it is in it’s entirety..

“Well said!

A healthy business is not all about money. I don’t resent rising prices, in 
fact I would say in lots of cases on the posters themselves, prices have 
fallen. My point being if, one place is seen to be the only place to be, then 
that’s bad and when they know it, it’s even worse.

I’ve noticed in the past some private dealers getting nice items on their sites 
and I’m damn sure they haven't been able to sell them at the price they want so 
they consign those items to Heritage..not good for small business.”


Simon

From: Helmut Hamm 
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 5:38 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
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  I’ve noticed in the past some private dealers getting nice items on their 
sites and I’m damn sure they haven't been able to sell them at the price they 
want so they consign those items to Heritage..not good for small business.

Unfortunately, that seems to be true. 

Too many people just LOVE to buy from the biggest players in the market. 
Needless to say it's often the same people who fail to support their 
neighborhood shops who are the first to whine when yet another small business 
closes down. 

Nobody can compete with the money Heritage can throw around, but PLEASE do not 
whine when the day comes that all small dealers have gone out of business. 

If you have any doubt about the true nature of the modern-day 'corporation', 
this 2003 documentary is highly recommended:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMNZXV7jOG0

It's educating and quite entertaining as well. 

Helmut




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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Helmut Hamm]

> I’ve noticed in the past some private dealers getting nice items on their 
> sites and I’m damn sure they haven't been able to sell them at the price they 
> want so they consign those items to Heritage..not good for small business.

Unfortunately, that seems to be true. 

Too many people just LOVE to buy from the biggest players in the market. 
Needless to say it's often the same people who fail to support their 
neighborhood shops who are the first to whine when yet another small business 
closes down. 

Nobody can compete with the money Heritage can throw around, but PLEASE do not 
whine when the day comes that all small dealers have gone out of business. 

If you have any doubt about the true nature of the modern-day 'corporation', 
this 2003 documentary is highly recommended:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMNZXV7jOG0 


It's educating and quite entertaining as well. 

Helmut
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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Michael Greenwood]

And I am 100% in agreement with Helmut's wise and fully correct observations 
toward corporate need for profits and while Heritage may want the bar to rise 
as far as the quality of their offerings, I think they're fine with the Sunday 
auctions and BP earnings they take from them...guaranteeing $19 per lot and up 
with better material.

I am not on any side here as I use all sites that offer goods I'm into but 
Bruce's model is one that is more in tune with my lefty sympathies. He's 
running more weekly material through Missouri than the Dallas folks an he is 
able to pay his people via his consignment fees. His staff also seem to be a 
little more informed and on the ball. Corporations tend to increase profits by 
hiring temps and such and like a bit of turnover so raises aren't needed. It 
creates a less pleasant situation for human interaction and getting real 
answers rather than lack of knowledge or some scripted corpspeak.


That's just how I see it. I'd love to feel different.

Michael

From: MoPo List  on behalf of Helmut Hamm 

Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:39:01 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

Kirby,


I agree with Rich entirely here.  We all resent rising prices, but Heritage is 
just one of millions of business experiecing rising costs.

that may well be true, but the problem lies elsewhere: Like any other 
corporation, Heritage is determined to make MORE money every year.

With Grey Smith, the Heritage Corporation has a very friendly face, but don't 
let that fool you: Like any other corporation, they do not care about you, me 
or anybody else, all they care about is MORE MONEY.

The word 'enough' does not exist in the capitalist vocabulary, neither do any 
kind of moral values.

Helmut






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[MOPO] FA: Heritage has Star Wars, The Birds, Lone Ranger Rides Again, Charlie Chan in London, Fearless Vampire Killers, and Much, Much More!

[Carteron, Bruce - 1551]

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POSTERS, LOBBY CARDS, PHOTOS, and related Memorabilia ending this Sunday, June 
19th, with a LIVE AUCTION beginning at 6PM CT!

www.ha.com/161625
We are always seeking quality consignments of vintage movie posters and 
advertising ephemera as well as vintage travel, advertising and propaganda 
posters for our Signature auctions.
Contact us to learn how we can help you. 
https://movieposters.ha.com/c/acquisitions.zx or tel:1-800-872-6467 X 1367.
Here are just a few of the lots available for bidding this week!!

Star Wars (20th Century Fox, 1977). First Printing One Sheet (27" X 41") Flat 
Folded Style A.
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/science-fiction/star-wars-20th-century-fox-1977-first-printing-one-sheet-27-x-41-flat-folded-style-a-science-fiction/a/161625-53384.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

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The Birds (Universal, 1963). Poster (40" X 60") Style Y.
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The Lone Ranger Rides Again (Republic, 1939). One Sheet (27" X 41") Chapter 9 
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Charlie Chan in London (Fox, 1934). Trimmed Window Card (14" X 18").
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The Fearless Vampire Killers (MGM, 1967). One Sheet (27" X 41") Style B.
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The Shop Around the Corner (MGM, 1940). Window Card (14" X 22").
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Hips, Hips, Hooray (RKO, 1934). Six Sheet (79.5" X 80").
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/comedy/hips-hips-hooray-rko-1934-six-sheet-795-x-80-comedy/a/161625-53197.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

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Pardon Us (MGM, 1931). Lobby Card (11" X 14").
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/pardon-us-mgm-1931-lobby-card-11-x-14-comedy/p/161625-6033.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

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The Kids Are Alright (New World, 1979). British Quad (30" X 40").
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/rock-and-roll/the-kids-are-alright-new-world-1979-british-quad-30-x-40-rock-and-roll/a/161625-53228.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

[http://dyn3.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5b1/4/1/8/5/14185987%5d,sizedata%5b776x500%5d=url%5bfile:product.chain%5d]

Abbott and Costello Meet Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (Universal International, 
1953). Insert (14" X 36").
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/comedy/abbott-and-costello-meet-dr-jekyll-and-mr-hyde-universal-international-1953-insert-14-x-36-comedy/a/161625-53007.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

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Rocketship X-M (Lippert, 1950). Three Sheet (41" X 79").
http://movieposters.ha.com/itm/rocketship-x-m-lippert-1950-three-sheet-41-x-79-science-fiction/p/161625-24025.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

[http://dyn2.heritagestatic.com/lf?set=path%5b1/4/1/8/7/14187421%5d,sizedata%5b776x500%5d=url%5bfile:product.chain%5d]

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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Helmut Hamm]

Kirby,

> 
> I agree with Rich entirely here.  We all resent rising prices, but Heritage 
> is just one of millions of business experiecing rising costs.

that may well be true, but the problem lies elsewhere: Like any other 
corporation, Heritage is determined to make MORE money every year. 

With Grey Smith, the Heritage Corporation has a very friendly face, but don't 
let that fool you: Like any other corporation, they do not care about you, me 
or anybody else, all they care about is MORE MONEY. 

The word 'enough' does not exist in the capitalist vocabulary, neither do any 
kind of moral values.

Helmut




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Re: [MOPO] Heritage charges

[Tommy Barr]

Having raised the issue I suppose I should add my opinion. Heritage wants
to have its cake and eat it. It is obviously now a major auction house and
sees itself as competing with the big boys, but unlike them it has a
different model. Movie posters are only a small part of their business but
unlike Christie’s or Bonham’s who have the occasional movie poster auction
which are generally in-house with internet access, Heritage has a weekly
online offer. Admittedly they have the Signature auctions which are
undeniably excellent, and there is no reason why, like the others, they
should not charge buyers’ commission on those. The weekly auctions,
however, are similar to those run by Bruce, Peter, Rick (sometimes), Filip
and others (not forgetting eBay) who do not charge buyers’ commission. Rick
points out that the average sale price last Sunday was $82 with bp, which
is $68 without. At the new bp minimum of $19 that represents a bp of 28%
per item, a not inconsiderable amount.

I agree with the suspicion that HA probably want to concentrate on higher
price items, but if that is the case they should be honest about it and
tell consignors that they will not consider any posters likely to sell for
under $100 or whatever. Their problem is that they need quantity to keep
having a weekly offer, and that means having to accept the lower value
items. (I cannot be alone in noticing that both the quantity and quality
have decreased over the last couple of years, though not just for them.)
Nevertheless, selling those with a $19 minimum bp is still probably good
business, as if you are making say only $10 per item on 200 that is still
$2000 a week.

I cannot buy the increased costs argument, as the increase is so large and
the other online movie poster auctioneers do not seem to have had any
reason to start charging buyers’commission. Maybe they could let us know
how much it costs to photograph and post an item?

Finally, OK – no one is forced to buy from them and if you are happy to pay
an extra $19 on a $5 poster that is your affair, but that doesn’t mean we
shouldn’t let them know what we think of their business practices.  I
notice that HA is keen to advertise their auctions on this site but rarely,
if ever, contribute to the discussions. I would have thought that this
forum gave them the perfect opportunity to justify their costs, but I am
not surprised that they haven’t done so. In my dealings with them (and I
have had more reasons to complain/ seek explanations form them than anyone
else) I detect a certain corporate arrogance.

Tommy

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 7:43 PM, Kirby McDaniel  wrote:

> I agree with Rich entirely here.  We all resent rising prices, but
> Heritage is just one of millions of business experiecing rising costs.
>
> Kirby McDaniel
> www.movieart.com
>
>
> On Jun 16, 2016, at 1:37 PM, Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art <
> sa...@comic-art.com > wrote:
>
> I largely agree with Ira and disagree with Simon in some ways
>
> for the most part, I win very little under $100, and so the $19 min bp
> means nothing as I'm already paying 19.5%
>
> if you only bid in the signature auctions, then the $19 min has no effect
> as nothing sells under $100 in those, so you're only talking about Sunday
> auctions and in case people don't pay attention, the average item price in
> an HA sale is $70-100 on a weekly basis (last week they did just short of
> $41k on 496 listings est $82 per item, with bp).
>
> it has at best, a small effect
>
> what about those sellers who drive down prices by selling massive amount
> of posters for $20 and less, including silent & golden age material that
> previously sold for much higher prices? Aren't they a negative worth
> discussing? Don't they have a greater effect on collectors, devaluing their
> collections in real time?
>
> Nobody forces anyone to do business with any specific entity. You can
> choose who you spend money with, just like I do. (this is part of the
> capiltalist/consumerist theory)
> If HA has something you want this week, I seriously doubt the extra $5 has
> much of a curtailing aspect to it
>
> Rich
>
>
> At 08:29 AM 6/16/2016, Ira Rubenstein wrote:
>
> I guess I come at this from a collector view.   And I have never sold
> anything that I have bought before.   So I am probably a little naïve about
> it all.And if I was selling a lot of items, then of course I would want
> a maximum of options to sell through.
>
> To me the relationship between auction houses and dealers is symbiotic.
> They both need each other.Dealers bid on auction items all the time in
> an effort to find something to resell.   This helps maintain a floor on
> pricing. I am sure dealers sell through auctions at times well when they
> need to liquidate or manage inventory.  And I don’t think this is
> exclusive to Movie Posters.   (Books, Coins, Stamps, Baseball cards, Art,
> etc…)All areas of collections have dealers and auction