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Part of my coming to MoPo is to escape the bs from the Dems, ACORN, and the creep they selected to be the US Puppet. His kind of change will tax the crap out of the people who spend thousands of dollars on this hobby, Tom! Since I kept my passion for Hillary off MoPo this WHOLE TIME out of respect for all of you, I expect the same. Tom, if you feel that strongly, use one of his quotes at your sign-off, like I do. But have the respect to NOT put him in the body of your message, as I often read what you have to say and don't need that fool in my face on a lovely Sunday morning!!! That was RUDE! If you need to vote, he has plenty extra names you can use that he pretends to not know about. Better yet, email ACORN and they'll send you a whole city block of names. Don't forget, they take pets and corpses, too! Andrea On Oct 12, 2008, at 9:28 AM, Tom Martin wrote: Hello Mopo- Thought I would give a veiw from what I have seen in last year as far as whats happening in many sectors of our business I started in 1977 and have seen several shake outs as far as recessions. Movie memorabilia and collectables, or diversions have typically been a refuge or escape for people during rough times. Vintage material seems to be pretty safe as investment however high ticket items can soften as people have less money. The wealthy it appears however are being hurt this round as they invested in stock market and portfolios that were in mutual funds. As far as assets the real estate seems to have been a fluffed up investment loseing 30-60% value in the last year. My House ( bought from Leyman bros.. was bought at 115K and is worth at monent would guess.. 80 k and was financed at 8.5 at 30 years fixed. Not a brilliant investment and only grace was it was zero down. Politically - Barack Obama is going to be here-( Toledo, Ohio) for 4 days at the maumee state park resort giving a speech tommorrow and he will prepare for the last debate. here I was at 1st for Barack and then I became confused as Both sides presented great arguments and also they both cast doubt on each others abilitys,, But this last week when McCain defended Barack and said we need not be afraid that hes a good honest man, I relized that they both were brave to want to lead this country and that it actually would be great if they worked together to achieve unity and to fix the Usa economic woes. They can as tey are both senators even after the race in over so they can help each other. So either way it turns out they should work together as Both has a passion for this country. For me Barack has endured so many attacks on his Faith, his color, his family history, his past association with people and the radical in question seemd to be a anti veitnam war radical. well back in the 60's the hippies and people that wanted the war to stop,, where considered radicals.. But they wanted the killing to stop...At Kent state university in OHIO 4 -protesters where shot and killed by Ohio Gaurd troops because they stood up and rebelled.. against the WAR .. so Did the people at the Boston tea party... and the entire USA was founded by Rebels that wanted to have thier own country. The country is a melting POT of every religion, and culture and ethnic group. That is why we have so much diversity. If you look historically in so many areas like engineering, and creative areas we have been a merger of all countrys and all peoples... Not one but all...( One nation , with Liberty and Justice for ALL) Look at the space program NASA, entertainment, autos, electronics// heck Ebay, computers , medical..aircraft, Foods, telecommunication// we have been leaders and innovators in all sectors along with allies in other areas. I see it as we just need to see that its time that the world come together as we will clearly see this week we are all linked by a financial, energy and ecology and dependence on each other that is a good thing.. because sure there are some with differances in how to live but that has been since age of time. We now have the ability to communicate and work together in a way never before seen and have the technology to correct the worlds issues if we work in a unified world that would address health care on a global level. peace on a global level. The recent events and the financial meltdown prove that we all need each other globally .. and that greed does not work. PERIOD. If we find new energy solutions in wind and solar ( Toledos Xunlight is the world leader and also First Solar) So we can make a differance, we can make a change and if we do as our forefathers did and to get to work and forge ahead we will survive any clamity either man-made or by nature. So In summery --- I missed getting registared to vote as I was so damn undecided and i was frustrated so yesterday I
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Andrea- regardless of our opinions on who did what,,, I suggest that we all work together,,, In case you dont agree all the politictions of skeletons in the closet,,, Like the Palin stuff the TV show host tells people to sell ( Kramer) and so is that fact? I think we need to band together democrats and republicans and Americans alike to solve th USA woes. BOTH parties are Guilty of Mud-slinging... and lies... and if we tear each other apart or On Mopo not relize that the economy and the world eventa are not a big part of the effect on our business and lives then we miss the entire point, Andrea.. to say im Rude is dissapointing... this is serious stuff and this next month will have a great effect on your and my Life and Mopos business people and collectors. The current Crisis has nothing to do with Hillary, matter of fact what I propose is instead of name calling and basically each side destroying the other, we see that as a country we need to get on track and do something,, As for tax the crap out of anyone... Ive been listening and anyone that makes 250K or less will not see a change and will actually get a reduction.. As for people that spend 1000's on this Hobby if it is only a samll elite segment that is in that Bracket of over 250 a year , I have to saide with the middle class that is the foundation of all purchasing of the Big Box stores, Housing,entertainment, To make nasty, sarcastic, derogatory remarks about the voteing and to mis-align and make acusations and summery judgement about any of these political people is the problem and why we in my opinion are floundering. Ive listened to Your opinion Andrea on many topics on the list and never to my knowledge called you Rude or spoke with disrespect. I have made my comments from a personal perspects to provoke thought , and positive results for all. I disagree with You.. I made my comments based on my respect for all mankind,, and everyone and because I would like to see the country get some balance and the world also get some balance. If Both partys would focus on solutions instead of tearing each other credentials apart .. we may get some balnce.. either party can also start working together once we get a new president. the anger and name calling and mud slinging is what is making the race confusing to all the voters, accusatins.. and all this propoganda.. ffrom either side,... is Not good for anyone. I wont speak about this politicle anymore - I was just excited as Brack will be here 4 days and I thought it was interesting. OHIO is the 6th hardest hit in unemployment in USA also in Mortgage loss. So this is a important time because we will all be effectly greatly in the next month!! This week will be very volitile in the market... all the best to You Andrea. best, Tom Freedom Lover wrote: Part of my coming to MoPo is to escape the bs from the Dems, ACORN, and the creep they selected to be the US Puppet. His kind of change will tax the crap out of the people who spend thousands of dollars on this hobby, Tom! Since I kept my passion for Hillary off MoPo this WHOLE TIME out of respect for all of you, I expect the same. Tom, if you feel that strongly, use one of his quotes at your sign-off, like I do. But have the respect to NOT put him in the body of your message, as I often read what you have to say and don't need that fool in my face on a lovely Sunday morning!!! That was RUDE! If you need to vote, he has plenty extra names you can use that he pretends to not know about. Better yet, email ACORN and they'll send you a whole city block of names. Don't forget, they take pets and corpses, too! Andrea On Oct 12, 2008, at 9:28 AM, Tom Martin wrote: Hello Mopo- Thought I would give a veiw from what I have seen in last year as far as whats happening in many sectors of our business I started in 1977 and have seen several shake outs as far as recessions. Movie memorabilia and collectables, or diversions have typically been a refuge or escape for people during rough times. Vintage material seems to be pretty safe as investment however high ticket items can soften as people have less money. The wealthy it appears however are being hurt this round as they invested in stock market and portfolios that were in mutual funds. As far as assets the real estate seems to have been a fluffed up investment loseing 30-60% value in the last year. My House ( bought from Leyman bros.. was bought at 115K and is worth at monent would guess.. 80 k and was financed at 8.5 at 30 years fixed. Not a brilliant investment and only grace was it was zero down. Politically - Barack Obama is going to be here-( Toledo, Ohio) for 4 days at the maumee state park resort giving a speech tommorrow and he will prepare for the last debate. here I was at 1st for Barack and then I became confused as Both sides presented great arguments and also they
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What needs to happen, Tom, is that those who made purchases they couldn't afford should lose their credit and go into foreclosure. People who bit off more than they could chew have to hold themselves responsible for their own foolishness. What about those of us who worked our tails off for years, didn't screw up, and now have the American Dream? Should WE be made responsible for the failures of others who made irresponsible choices? Should WE be penalized for doing it right? Should we give up OUR reward and say, well, it's not the people's fault. It's the mortgage company's fault? Sorry, Tom, not me. It takes two to tango. Whoever f**ked up gets to clean up, IMO. We have corrupt politicians, and lazy greedy citizens who have that 'gimme gimme' attitude. Many act as if they're entitled! I ask you, IN WHAT LIFE? At least McCain will hurt the responsible guys less and hold the losers more accountable. The exceptions to the rule: 1.Those who lost everything due to medical bills and illnesses. THEY should be helped out out of compassion. They didn't do anything wrong or stupid. 2. Veterans - You risk your life for me; I owe you and am grateful. 3. Weather - People should be helped to rebuild, but NOT in the same questionable area. (IMO, if BO wanted to be POTUS, he'd have offered veep to Hillary eons ago. This proves to me, it wasn't about doing what's best for America. It was about his ego and lust for power.) With McCain, we still might not drill and I'm working with many groups to fend that off. Doesn't matter what Palin wants. With Barack, we still MAY drill, because he can pushed. If Bush couldn't overturn Roe v. Wade, then it's not an issue. I'm an avid environmentalist, but I'm more into morality than anything else. McCain is simply more honorable and his love for America is obvious. My groups and I will simply work around him. I am done speaking about politics on MoPo. It's the one place Barack Obama can't shove his face in my space! Please let's keep them off our sacred site. Perusing posters is one of my ways to relax. Sorry for the inconvenience everyone. Please return to having a lovely day. Andrea On Oct 12, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Tom Martin wrote: Andrea- regardless of our opinions on who did what,,, I suggest that we all work together,,, In case you dont agree all the politictions of skeletons in the closet,,, Like the Palin stuff the TV show host tells people to sell ( Kramer) and so is that fact? I think we need to band together democrats and republicans and Americans alike to solve th USA woes. BOTH parties are Guilty of Mud-slinging... and lies... and if we tear each other apart or On Mopo not relize that the economy and the world eventa are not a big part of the effect on our business and lives then we miss the entire point, Andrea.. to say im Rude is dissapointing... this is serious stuff and this next month will have a great effect on your and my Life and Mopos business people and collectors. The current Crisis has nothing to do with Hillary, matter of fact what I propose is instead of name calling and basically each side destroying the other, we see that as a country we need to get on track and do something,, As for tax the crap out of anyone... Ive been listening and anyone that makes 250K or less will not see a change and will actually get a reduction.. As for people that spend 1000's on this Hobby if it is only a samll elite segment that is in that Bracket of over 250 a year , I have to saide with the middle class that is the foundation of all purchasing of the Big Box stores, Housing,entertainment, To make nasty, sarcastic, derogatory remarks about the voteing and to mis-align and make acusations and summery judgement about any of these political people is the problem and why we in my opinion are floundering. Ive listened to Your opinion Andrea on many topics on the list and never to my knowledge called you Rude or spoke with disrespect. I have made my comments from a personal perspects to provoke thought , and positive results for all. I disagree with You.. I made my comments based on my respect for all mankind,, and everyone and because I would like to see the country get some balance and the world also get some balance. If Both partys would focus on solutions instead of tearing each other credentials apart .. we may get some balnce.. either party can also start working together once we get a new president. the anger and name calling and mud slinging is what is making the race confusing to all the voters, accusatins.. and all this propoganda.. ffrom either side,... is Not good for anyone. I wont speak about this politicle anymore - I was just excited as Brack will be here 4 days and I thought it was interesting. OHIO is the 6th hardest hit in unemployment in USA also in Mortgage loss. So this
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Let's get politics off of MOPO. Now. Kirby On Oct 12, 2008, at 418PM, Freedom Lover wrote: What needs to happen, Tom, is that those who made purchases they couldn't afford should lose their credit and go into foreclosure. People who bit off more than they could chew have to hold themselves responsible for their own foolishness. What about those of us who worked our tails off for years, didn't screw up, and now have the American Dream? Should WE be made responsible for the failures of others who made irresponsible choices? Should WE be penalized for doing it right? Should we give up OUR reward and say, well, it's not the people's fault. It's the mortgage company's fault? Sorry, Tom, not me. It takes two to tango. Whoever f**ked up gets to clean up, IMO. We have corrupt politicians, and lazy greedy citizens who have that 'gimme gimme' attitude. Many act as if they're entitled! I ask you, IN WHAT LIFE? At least McCain will hurt the responsible guys less and hold the losers more accountable. The exceptions to the rule: 1.Those who lost everything due to medical bills and illnesses. THEY should be helped out out of compassion. They didn't do anything wrong or stupid. 2. Veterans - You risk your life for me; I owe you and am grateful. 3. Weather - People should be helped to rebuild, but NOT in the same questionable area. (IMO, if BO wanted to be POTUS, he'd have offered veep to Hillary eons ago. This proves to me, it wasn't about doing what's best for America. It was about his ego and lust for power.) With McCain, we still might not drill and I'm working with many groups to fend that off. Doesn't matter what Palin wants. With Barack, we still MAY drill, because he can pushed. If Bush couldn't overturn Roe v. Wade, then it's not an issue. I'm an avid environmentalist, but I'm more into morality than anything else. McCain is simply more honorable and his love for America is obvious. My groups and I will simply work around him. I am done speaking about politics on MoPo. It's the one place Barack Obama can't shove his face in my space! Please let's keep them off our sacred site. Perusing posters is one of my ways to relax. Sorry for the inconvenience everyone. Please return to having a lovely day. Andrea On Oct 12, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Tom Martin wrote: Andrea- regardless of our opinions on who did what,,, I suggest that we all work together,,, In case you dont agree all the politictions of skeletons in the closet,,, Like the Palin stuff the TV show host tells people to sell ( Kramer) and so is that fact? I think we need to band together democrats and republicans and Americans alike to solve th USA woes. BOTH parties are Guilty of Mud-slinging... and lies... and if we tear each other apart or On Mopo not relize that the economy and the world eventa are not a big part of the effect on our business and lives then we miss the entire point, Andrea.. to say im Rude is dissapointing... this is serious stuff and this next month will have a great effect on your and my Life and Mopos business people and collectors. The current Crisis has nothing to do with Hillary, matter of fact what I propose is instead of name calling and basically each side destroying the other, we see that as a country we need to get on track and do something,, As for tax the crap out of anyone... Ive been listening and anyone that makes 250K or less will not see a change and will actually get a reduction.. As for people that spend 1000's on this Hobby if it is only a samll elite segment that is in that Bracket of over 250 a year , I have to saide with the middle class that is the foundation of all purchasing of the Big Box stores, Housing,entertainment, To make nasty, sarcastic, derogatory remarks about the voteing and to mis-align and make acusations and summery judgement about any of these political people is the problem and why we in my opinion are floundering. Ive listened to Your opinion Andrea on many topics on the list and never to my knowledge called you Rude or spoke with disrespect. I have made my comments from a personal perspects to provoke thought , and positive results for all. I disagree with You.. I made my comments based on my respect for all mankind,, and everyone and because I would like to see the country get some balance and the world also get some balance. If Both partys would focus on solutions instead of tearing each other credentials apart .. we may get some balnce.. either party can also start working together once we get a new president. the anger and name calling and mud slinging is what is making the race confusing to all the voters, accusatins.. and all this propoganda.. ffrom either side,... is Not good for anyone. I wont speak about this politicle anymore - I was just excited as Brack will be here 4 days and I thought it was
Re: [MOPO] Mopo- Posters - enconomy- Polotics- Future _ perspective
General socializing rules here... never talk religion or politics if you want to keep friends. _ From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McDaniel Kirby Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:41 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Mopo- Posters - enconomy- Polotics- Future _ perspective Let's get politics off of MOPO. Now. Kirby On Oct 12, 2008, at 418PM, Freedom Lover wrote: What needs to happen, Tom, is that those who made purchases they couldn't afford should lose their credit and go into foreclosure. People who bit off more than they could chew have to hold themselves responsible for their own foolishness. What about those of us who worked our tails off for years, didn't screw up, and now have the American Dream? Should WE be made responsible for the failures of others who made irresponsible choices? Should WE be penalized for doing it right? Should we give up OUR reward and say, well, it's not the people's fault. It's the mortgage company's fault? Sorry, Tom, not me. It takes two to tango. Whoever f**ked up gets to clean up, IMO. We have corrupt politicians, and lazy greedy citizens who have that 'gimme gimme' attitude. Many act as if they're entitled! I ask you, IN WHAT LIFE? At least McCain will hurt the responsible guys less and hold the losers more accountable. The exceptions to the rule: 1.Those who lost everything due to medical bills and illnesses. THEY should be helped out out of compassion. They didn't do anything wrong or stupid. 2. Veterans - You risk your life for me; I owe you and am grateful. 3. Weather - People should be helped to rebuild, but NOT in the same questionable area. (IMO, if BO wanted to be POTUS, he'd have offered veep to Hillary eons ago. This proves to me, it wasn't about doing what's best for America. It was about his ego and lust for power.) With McCain, we still might not drill and I'm working with many groups to fend that off. Doesn't matter what Palin wants. With Barack, we still MAY drill, because he can pushed. If Bush couldn't overturn Roe v. Wade, then it's not an issue. I'm an avid environmentalist, but I'm more into morality than anything else. McCain is simply more honorable and his love for America is obvious. My groups and I will simply work around him. I am done speaking about politics on MoPo. It's the one place Barack Obama can't shove his face in my space! Please let's keep them off our sacred site. Perusing posters is one of my ways to relax. Sorry for the inconvenience everyone. Please return to having a lovely day. Andrea On Oct 12, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Tom Martin wrote: Andrea- regardless of our opinions on who did what,,, I suggest that we all work together,,, In case you dont agree all the politictions of skeletons in the closet,,, Like the Palin stuff the TV show host tells people to sell ( Kramer) and so is that fact? I think we need to band together democrats and republicans and Americans alike to solve th USA woes. BOTH parties are Guilty of Mud-slinging... and lies... and if we tear each other apart or On Mopo not relize that the economy and the world eventa are not a big part of the effect on our business and lives then we miss the entire point, Andrea.. to say im Rude is dissapointing... this is serious stuff and this next month will have a great effect on your and my Life and Mopos business people and collectors. The current Crisis has nothing to do with Hillary, matter of fact what I propose is instead of name calling and basically each side destroying the other, we see that as a country we need to get on track and do something,, As for tax the crap out of anyone... Ive been listening and anyone that makes 250K or less will not see a change and will actually get a reduction.. As for people that spend 1000's on this Hobby if it is only a samll elite segment that is in that Bracket of over 250 a year , I have to saide with the middle class that is the foundation of all purchasing of the Big Box stores, Housing,entertainment, To make nasty, sarcastic, derogatory remarks about the voteing and to mis-align and make acusations and summery judgement about any of these political people is the problem and why we in my opinion are floundering. Ive listened to Your opinion Andrea on many topics on the list and never to my knowledge called you Rude or spoke with disrespect. I have made my comments from a personal perspects to provoke thought , and positive results for all. I disagree with You.. I made my comments based on my respect for all mankind,, and everyone and because I would like to see the country get some balance and the world also get some balance. If Both partys would focus on solutions instead of tearing each other credentials apart .. we may get some balnce.. either party can also start working together once we get a new president. the anger and name calling and mud slinging is what is making the race confusing to all
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But, but, but. one of my clients was looking for a one sheet of THE CANDIDATE.. Provided it's marked OT, and has POLITICS in the subject line can you simply not read it? Forums have rules, and people are people, and today we (as in all of the world) are going through a major world economic upheavel the like of which many people on this list have never experienced. Americans are also about to take part in what may well be one of the most defining Presidential elections of all time so what's wrong with it of people (most of whom are relating the economy, inextricably linked to the election there and anywhere, for that matter) to their hobby). It's also an election, the result of which will impact in more ways than we can imagine - no matter who wins. Phil Phil - Original Message - From: McDaniel Kirby To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Mopo- Posters - enconomy- Polotics- Future _ perspective Let's get politics off of MOPO. Now. Kirby On Oct 12, 2008, at 418PM, Freedom Lover wrote: What needs to happen, Tom, is that those who made purchases they couldn't afford should lose their credit and go into foreclosure. People who bit off more than they could chew have to hold themselves responsible for their own foolishness. What about those of us who worked our tails off for years, didn't screw up, and now have the American Dream? Should WE be made responsible for the failures of others who made irresponsible choices? Should WE be penalized for doing it right? Should we give up OUR reward and say, well, it's not the people's fault. It's the mortgage company's fault? Sorry, Tom, not me. It takes two to tango. Whoever f**ked up gets to clean up, IMO. We have corrupt politicians, and lazy greedy citizens who have that 'gimme gimme' attitude. Many act as if they're entitled! I ask you, IN WHAT LIFE? At least McCain will hurt the responsible guys less and hold the losers more accountable. The exceptions to the rule: 1.Those who lost everything due to medical bills and illnesses. THEY should be helped out out of compassion. They didn't do anything wrong or stupid. 2. Veterans - You risk your life for me; I owe you and am grateful. 3. Weather - People should be helped to rebuild, but NOT in the same questionable area. (IMO, if BO wanted to be POTUS, he'd have offered veep to Hillary eons ago. This proves to me, it wasn't about doing what's best for America. It was about his ego and lust for power.) With McCain, we still might not drill and I'm working with many groups to fend that off. Doesn't matter what Palin wants. With Barack, we still MAY drill, because he can pushed. If Bush couldn't overturn Roe v. Wade, then it's not an issue. I'm an avid environmentalist, but I'm more into morality than anything else. McCain is simply more honorable and his love for America is obvious. My groups and I will simply work around him. I am done speaking about politics on MoPo. It's the one place Barack Obama can't shove his face in my space! Please let's keep them off our sacred site. Perusing posters is one of my ways to relax. Sorry for the inconvenience everyone. Please return to having a lovely day. Andrea On Oct 12, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Tom Martin wrote: Andrea- regardless of our opinions on who did what,,, I suggest that we all work together,,, In case you dont agree all the politictions of skeletons in the closet,,, Like the Palin stuff the TV show host tells people to sell ( Kramer) and so is that fact? I think we need to band together democrats and republicans and Americans alike to solve th USA woes. BOTH parties are Guilty of Mud-slinging... and lies... and if we tear each other apart or On Mopo not relize that the economy and the world eventa are not a big part of the effect on our business and lives then we miss the entire point, Andrea.. to say im Rude is dissapointing... this is serious stuff and this next month will have a great effect on your and my Life and Mopos business people and collectors. The current Crisis has nothing to do with Hillary, matter of fact what I propose is instead of name calling and basically each side destroying the other, we see that as a country we need to get on track and do something,, As for tax the crap out of anyone... Ive been listening and anyone that makes 250K or less will not see a change and will actually get a reduction.. As for people that spend 1000's on this Hobby if it is only a samll elite segment that is in that Bracket of over 250 a year , I have to saide with the middle class that is the foundation of all purchasing of the Big Box stores, Housing,entertainment, To make nasty, sarcastic, derogatory remarks about the voteing
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If you can't talk politics and religion with your friends without jeopardising the friendship, then one might want to think about what defines freindship. Last time I looked, and looked back, firends were able to agree to disagree and remain freinds. Phil - Original Message - From: Dale Dilts To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] Mopo- Posters - enconomy- Polotics- Future _ perspective General socializing rules here... never talk religion or politics if you want to keep friends. -- From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McDaniel Kirby Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 5:41 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] Mopo- Posters - enconomy- Polotics- Future _ perspective Let's get politics off of MOPO. Now. Kirby On Oct 12, 2008, at 418PM, Freedom Lover wrote: What needs to happen, Tom, is that those who made purchases they couldn't afford should lose their credit and go into foreclosure. People who bit off more than they could chew have to hold themselves responsible for their own foolishness. What about those of us who worked our tails off for years, didn't screw up, and now have the American Dream? Should WE be made responsible for the failures of others who made irresponsible choices? Should WE be penalized for doing it right? Should we give up OUR reward and say, well, it's not the people's fault. It's the mortgage company's fault? Sorry, Tom, not me. It takes two to tango. Whoever f**ked up gets to clean up, IMO. We have corrupt politicians, and lazy greedy citizens who have that 'gimme gimme' attitude. Many act as if they're entitled! I ask you, IN WHAT LIFE? At least McCain will hurt the responsible guys less and hold the losers more accountable. The exceptions to the rule: 1.Those who lost everything due to medical bills and illnesses. THEY should be helped out out of compassion. They didn't do anything wrong or stupid. 2. Veterans - You risk your life for me; I owe you and am grateful. 3. Weather - People should be helped to rebuild, but NOT in the same questionable area. (IMO, if BO wanted to be POTUS, he'd have offered veep to Hillary eons ago. This proves to me, it wasn't about doing what's best for America. It was about his ego and lust for power.) With McCain, we still might not drill and I'm working with many groups to fend that off. Doesn't matter what Palin wants. With Barack, we still MAY drill, because he can pushed. If Bush couldn't overturn Roe v. Wade, then it's not an issue. I'm an avid environmentalist, but I'm more into morality than anything else. McCain is simply more honorable and his love for America is obvious. My groups and I will simply work around him. I am done speaking about politics on MoPo. It's the one place Barack Obama can't shove his face in my space! Please let's keep them off our sacred site. Perusing posters is one of my ways to relax. Sorry for the inconvenience everyone. Please return to having a lovely day. Andrea On Oct 12, 2008, at 11:15 AM, Tom Martin wrote: Andrea- regardless of our opinions on who did what,,, I suggest that we all work together,,, In case you dont agree all the politictions of skeletons in the closet,,, Like the Palin stuff the TV show host tells people to sell ( Kramer) and so is that fact? I think we need to band together democrats and republicans and Americans alike to solve th USA woes. BOTH parties are Guilty of Mud-slinging... and lies... and if we tear each other apart or On Mopo not relize that the economy and the world eventa are not a big part of the effect on our business and lives then we miss the entire point, Andrea.. to say im Rude is dissapointing... this is serious stuff and this next month will have a great effect on your and my Life and Mopos business people and collectors. The current Crisis has nothing to do with Hillary, matter of fact what I propose is instead of name calling and basically each side destroying the other, we see that as a country we need to get on track and do something,, As for tax the crap out of anyone... Ive been listening and anyone that makes 250K or less will not see a change and will actually get a reduction.. As for people that spend 1000's on this Hobby if it is only a samll elite segment that is in that Bracket of over 250 a year , I have to saide with the middle class that is the foundation of all purchasing of the Big Box stores, Housing,entertainment, To make nasty, sarcastic, derogatory remarks about the voteing and to mis-align and make acusations and summery judgement about any of these political people is the problem
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At 04:11 PM 10/12/2008, Dale Dilts wrote: General socializing rules here... never talk religion or politics if you want to keep friends. that only goes when people who are at different ends of the spectrum don't respect the beliefs of the other party involved in the debate however, that said.. for whatever reason, too many people do not respect the opposing philosophy turn to vitriol instead of well thought, respectful, intelligent debate It shouldn't matter if you are for Obama, McCain or Ron Paul.. you should handle yourself with the same manners that you in turn expect Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
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Ill adress your Home issues and the economy minus the political... 1.) I bought a home last Sept... I was Divorced in 2000 and had worked to re-build my life and credit by 2006 I had zero debt, some money, and I had a credit score of 824- 720- and I think 710 so average 700+ .. However since i was self employed and my divorce having lost my paid OFF home Banks where starting to get tight on loans, So the options where getting tougher for me. 2.) I had tryed to Buy back my old building however it was Mixed use c-3 commercial property and the banks where not able to sel lthe paper to fannie mae. 3.) so that left the indie Mortgage Brokers who are the ones that have helped fleece many Buyers by lureing into deals that they couldnt handle. Like balloon payments a APR variables. These folks that did it including me where being told that real estate would keep riseing in value and so everyone assumed they where OK. In my case the Broker bought this home in 2006 at 83k in forclosure... then when I bought it he told me we had to Buy down the interest. and rolled closeing and costs I have no idea where so that I ennded up paying 115-K I agree we should be responcible My apt lease ended in July 2007 so the Guy said I was approved at 5.% Then even said ' Move in before we closed... then they told me the Banks were failing and my deal fell through.. so I said WAIT ill move back out!! meanwhile I lost about a month in sales waiting to know if I had a house or not... so then the guy gives me papers with all the costs crazyl ike Im told these predator loans where done And remember, This was- Leyman BROs who appear to Know exactly what they where doing ... because Ive never missed a payment and LOOK they are Broke.. NOT me, But I should in my opinion get a 5 % interest rate,, and get my money back for the trumped up costs,, and get a price adjustment on the cost to meet fair market value as I neve even saw the damn appraisal... Andrea these people where vultures and sure I could have passed on the deal but they told me one thing and then did another,,, they even tryed to back out of the addendums one being a Furnace and air,,, and the home warrantty... I took the deal like many of the millions in USA because it sounded plausible and was offered as such.. the answer to me is simple and is what the GOVernment is offering.. believe and thats to- finance the loans in a way that people can pay them in a proper cash flow way,, .. whats funny was my 1st building was at 12-1/2% interest bi- weekly 8 year loan term !! that was hard and was also unfair but we did it in 1981. This place in 30 year term would be 300-K... I don't ill live to pay it so I look at it as rent...as the place is depreciateing like others,, Should you foot the Bill??? No... But what the issue is is that the entire market is crumbling not just from houses alone but from consumer over-spending in all sectors.. People over leaveraged thier assets. so they borrowed on credit Cards. then refinanced the cards with home equity ( overinflateed ) from the houses.. then they are loseing the houses as they cant pay the larger loans that where consolidated from overall debt... Its not anyones fault but the entire way that American Credit system and business globally kept ahead of the game by moving so fast,,, some people made out like bandits and have lots of money. But the companys that invested in mutual funds and people futures where invested in are now almost worthless.. they gave money to money managers ... what was there mistake?? where they stupid.. or deceptive?? I dont believe the middle class familys should be blamed like they are failiers because they say many of these people had great credit and did pay.. Its about JOBS - most people are limited in getting work and are nor taught how to survive and how to be entrepeneuers like mopo dealers and self made people... They went to college , built familys and dont understand adapting like many do./ so they need guidence and help... and as fellow americans and people of the world we need Humanitarian efforts for all peoples globally. .The fact is that Companys are letting people Go because they cannot survive.. The Big guys like GM and many more are so big they are crumbleing becaue LACK of sales and High costs- Bigger they are harder they fall syndrome.. Part of the American dream as I was brought up was to share with the afflicted , downtrodden, and those in need. Many of the poor people are mentally affected to where they cannot function, the drugs and alcahol and cigeraettes, gambleing and Sex business are probably whats propping up the country..In Ohio we are surounded by Lotterys and stats that use gambling as a source to fund education. I find that odd.. because it teachs Kids that if you want to raise money you need to tax Cigs , alcahol, and have a lottery otherwise there is no there means to get
Re: [MOPO] Mopo- Posters - enconomy- Polotics- Future _ perspective
Hi, Tom... I'd say you should run for office but I know you know better! Your post here is the most heartfelt and sincere thing I've read all campaign season! You remind us all that we are indeed fortunate to be Americans--- not that that makes us at all more worthy than our international friends-- particularly those in countries which are already trying to better our condition climate-wise, Hopefully more of us will learn to capitalize on our national diversity rather than bemoan it. You are right! Thanks for reminding me, Joe B in NOLA (a bowed but unbending American city!) --- On Sun, 10/12/08, Tom Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tom Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MOPO] Mopo- Posters - enconomy- Polotics- Future _ perspective To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 8:28 AM Hello Mopo- Thought I would give a veiw from what I have seen in last year as far as whats happening in many sectors of our business I started in 1977 and have seen several shake outs as far as recessions. Movie memorabilia and collectables, or diversions have typically been a refuge or escape for people during rough times. Vintage material seems to be pretty safe as investment however high ticket items can soften as people have less money. The wealthy it appears however are being hurt this round as they invested in stock market and portfolios that were in mutual funds. As far as assets the real estate seems to have been a fluffed up investment loseing 30-60% value in the last year. My House ( bought from Leyman bros.. was bought at 115K and is worth at monent would guess.. 80 k and was financed at 8.5 at 30 years fixed. Not a brilliant investment and only grace was it was zero down. Politically - Barack Obama is going to be here-( Toledo, Ohio) for 4 days at the maumee state park resort giving a speech tommorrow and he will prepare for the last debate. here I was at 1st for Barack and then I became confused as Both sides presented great arguments and also they both cast doubt on each others abilitys,, But this last week when McCain defended Barack and said we need not be afraid that hes a good honest man, I relized that they both were brave to want to lead this country and that it actually would be great if they worked together to achieve unity and to fix the Usa economic woes. They can as tey are both senators even after the race in over so they can help each other. So either way it turns out they should work together as Both has a passion for this country. For me Barack has endured so many attacks on his Faith, his color, his family history, his past association with people and the radical in question seemd to be a anti veitnam war radical. well back in the 60's the hippies and people that wanted the war to stop,, where considered radicals.. But they wanted the killing to stop...At Kent state university in OHIO 4 -protesters where shot and killed by Ohio Gaurd troops because they stood up and rebelled.. against the WAR .. so Did the people at the Boston tea party... and the entire USA was founded by Rebels that wanted to have thier own country. The country is a melting POT of every religion, and culture and ethnic group. That is why we have so much diversity. If you look historically in so many areas like engineering, and creative areas we have been a merger of all countrys and all peoples... Not one but all...( One nation , with Liberty and Justice for ALL) Look at the space program NASA, entertainment, autos, electronics// heck Ebay, computers , medical..aircraft, Foods, telecommunication// we have been leaders and innovators in all sectors along with allies in other areas. I see it as we just need to see that its time that the world come together as we will clearly see this week we are all linked by a financial, energy and ecology and dependence on each other that is a good thing.. because sure there are some with differances in how to live but that has been since age of time. We now have the ability to communicate and work together in a way never before seen and have the technology to correct the worlds issues if we work in a unified world that would address health care on a global level. peace on a global level. The recent events and the financial meltdown prove that we all need each other globally .. and that greed does not work. PERIOD. If we find new energy solutions in wind and solar ( Toledos Xunlight is the world leader and also First Solar) So we can make a differance, we can make a change and if we do as our forefathers did and to get to work and forge ahead we will survive any clamity either man-made or by nature. So In summery --- I missed getting registared to vote as I was so damn undecided and i was frustrated so yesterday I thought what can I do to help? well... I thought Ill get some signs and go to the rally monday.. well went there and it was two
Re: [MOPO] Mopo- Posters - enconomy- Polotics- Future _ perspective
My Philiosophy, since no one asked: When given the choice, too many people try to be 'right' and 'win' when it's actually better to simply try to be 'smart.' You tend to win and are right more often when you don't try to win or be right, but strive to be smart. Therefore, I must conclude that while I find that I more often agree with FRANKENSTEIN, now and then I must admit that THE MUMMY is actually better for some issues. Beware charismatic leaders. Just the same, beware those who lack charisma. As for who is 'right' or who's going to 'win,' I don't care who you're for, demand more. Yes, I just quoted myself. I'm encouraged that Mopoers can all agree to disagree about which art they prefer. Happy Sunday, Patrick On Oct 12, 2008, at 4:24 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art wrote: At 04:11 PM 10/12/2008, Dale Dilts wrote: General socializing rules here... never talk religion or politics if you want to keep friends. that only goes when people who are at different ends of the spectrum don't respect the beliefs of the other party involved in the debate however, that said.. for whatever reason, too many people do not respect the opposing philosophy turn to vitriol instead of well thought, respectful, intelligent debate It shouldn't matter if you are for Obama, McCain or Ron Paul.. you should handle yourself with the same manners that you in turn expect Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
