Re: fully customizable toolbars

2001-12-02 Thread yatsu

On Sun, 02 Dec 2001 03:13:25 +0100, Luke wrote:

 bug 15144 Ability to add/remove toolbar buttons (customize toolbars)
 
   3) Why has there been decided not to show the urlbar seperately from
 the navbar like N4.x?
 
 bug 49543 Separate Toolbar from Address Bar [urlbar]
 
   6) Any plans on copying the fontsizing feature to the navbar? 7)
   Will fontsizing eventually be stored on a page to page basis?

 etc.  These have bugs too.  Please spend your own time searching
 bugzilla, not others'.

Fair enough. I suppose moz. developers must get sick of all these
requests that can be avoided without too much trouble. Although
bugzilla's still a rather user unfriendly tool. It'd be nice to see a
rather simple bug query page with just the summary, description, keyword
and url queries.
 
   2) How about a clear urlbar icon on the toolbar?
 
 ?!
 

You need to try this out before it's usefullness becomes
apparent. It's simply a small button which clears the urlbar, making it easier to type 
in an url because you don't
have to remove the existing one. This is particularly a problem on *nix
platforms because selecting text (the url you wish to remove from the
urlbar) *copies* it. This way you lose the url you wanted to copy into
the urlbar.

Galeon and Konqueror have this feature. It's a small thing, but it's
becomes highly appreciated when available.

- yatsu




Re: fully customizable toolbars

2001-12-02 Thread R.K.Aa.

[]


 You need to try this out before it's usefullness becomes
 apparent. It's simply a small button which clears the urlbar, making it easier to 
type in an url because you don't
 have to remove the existing one. This is particularly a problem on *nix
 platforms because selecting text (the url you wish to remove from the
 urlbar) *copies* it. This way you lose the url you wanted to copy into
 the urlbar.
 
 Galeon and Konqueror have this feature. It's a small thing, but it's
 becomes highly appreciated when available.
 
 - yatsu
 


see bug 24651







Bookmark favicons -- Great Idea !

2001-12-02 Thread Nigel L

(Mozilla 2001120108 under Win Me)  I just spotted this feature after 
visiting some of my bookmarks. :-)   It should especially aid in finding 
news sites.  But, :-P  I'm surprised The Washington Post hasn't done 
something to change their logo from the Netscape N.





Re: fully customizable toolbars

2001-12-02 Thread yatsu

On Sun, 02 Dec 2001 10:57:45 +0100, R.K.Aa. wrote:

 []
 
 
 You need to try this out before it's usefullness becomes apparent. It's
 simply a small button which clears the urlbar, making it easier to type
 in an url because you don't have to remove the existing one. This is
 particularly a problem on *nix platforms because selecting text (the
 url you wish to remove from the urlbar) *copies* it. This way you lose
 the url you wanted to copy into the urlbar.
 
 Galeon and Konqueror have this feature. It's a small thing, but it's
 becomes highly appreciated when available.
 
 - yatsu
 
 
 
 see bug 24651
 

Cheers.

- yatsu




pull-down menus with hugh icons!

2001-12-02 Thread dman84

must be related to changes to the bookmarks icon size of 16x16 pixels.. 
and now icons like bullets and checkmarks are HUGE!  in build 12-1 W2K.

-dman84





Re: pull-down menus with hugh icons!

2001-12-02 Thread Joni K.

dman84 wrote:

 must be related to changes to the bookmarks icon size of 16x16 pixels..
 and now icons like bullets and checkmarks are HUGE!  in build 12-1 W2K.

You mean like this?  

They are kinda big :) 

Bug# ?

-- 
  Joni
attachment: huge.jpg

Netscape and Win2k Autodial Trouble

2001-12-02 Thread A. Predmore

With Win95 and 98 and using NS 4.7x with dial-up networking (modem) upon
double clicking Netscape's icon my dialer pops up. It happens with IE
also.  With Windows 2000 when I launch IE my dialer pops up. It won't
work with NS and I like this feature as it saves keystrokes. With 2000 I
can't get this to happen reliably after setting the auto dial and auto
connection service to automatic. No matter if the services are on or
off, IE will pop up a dialer. If they are on and you use Netscape then
it either works right or when Windows starts it prompts to auto dial
without any programs starting up. Because I am unable to track down what
is causing this to happen, I would like to find a resource to give me a
registry tweak or other solution to make the auto dial feature perform
just the way it does with Netscape and Win 98. No browser, no dialer
window. It's frustrating because just when I get it working I'll start
Windows and there's that annoying dialer. When I launch NS the dialer
pops up. Turn off the services, restart Windows, no dialer prompt but
also no connection when I use NS yet double-click IE and up pops a
dialer window. Sorry for babbling. I just got real used to these
features with '95 and '98. Any suggestions?





Re: no !!!!!!

2001-12-02 Thread Christian Biesinger

Juan Perez wrote:

 hey, what the hell have you done to my beloved netscape/mozilla little 
 hand pointer, i want it back !!  :(
 
 besides, if youre gonna leave this, maybe yous hould also replace the 
 lizard with some blueish rotating m or something, got the point ?
 

Download this file:
http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/widget/src/build/res/select.cur?raw=1
Save it as a .cur file.

In Control Panel-Mouse-Pointers, you can change the pointer to the one 
  just downloaded.

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Re: pull-down menus with hugh icons!

2001-12-02 Thread Jay Garcia

dman84 wrote:

 must be related to changes to the bookmarks icon size of 16x16 pixels..
 and now icons like bullets and checkmarks are HUGE!  in build 12-1 W2K.
 
 -dman84
 

Same here, Win98SE

-- 
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Novell MCNE-5/CNI-Networking Technologies-OSI
UFAQ - http://www.UFAQ.org





Group Tabs?

2001-12-02 Thread Mark

Suggestion for a new feature, that I suppose would become post-1.0:

The ability to define/create bookmark groups, or to be able to define 
certain already existing bookmark folders in such a way so that all of 
the URL's within would open on one click in individual tabs (at the same 
time). For example: One click on my news folder would open all 4 sites 
at the same time.

Mark
-- 
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: Change keybord shortcuts

2001-12-02 Thread Christian Biesinger

Peter Fjelsten wrote:

 How do I change the keybord shortcuts in Moz 0.9.5 Win? I cannot believe 
 that Moz have not nicked the Opera idea of using Z and X for back and 
 forward. TIA.

It is possible to change this keybinding.
Easiest way is doing this:

1. In the chrome\ directory, unzip the file comm.jar. You'll get a 
content directory
2. Edit content\navigator\platformNavigationBindings.xul
3. Add these Lines after key keycode=VK_BACK 
command=Browser:Forward modifiers=shift/

 key keycode=z command=Browser:Back/
 key keycode=x command=Browser:Forward/

4. Delete comm.jar, Zip the content directory and name the zip file 
content.jar
5. Start Mozilla and enjoy the new keyboard shortcuts

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I need a workaround for Mozilla 0.9.5

2001-12-02 Thread Andreas J.

This problem seem to appear in several milesstones:

i have more than one browser windows opened
in the focused window i click on a link and right after clicking
i change focus to another browser window.
after a short while the other window steals the focus back.
when i change the focus again immediately the other window steals it 
back a second time.
this does only happen when a clicked link still hasn't finished to load.

if you often click on several links in several windows (like me) this
can be very annoying - so i would like to deactivate this feature(?)
or need a workaround for this problem.

thank you very much.

andi





Re: Installation Language-package

2001-12-02 Thread Christian Biesinger

Michael Kollender wrote:

 I just tried to install the German language, but it doesn't work. I get the 
 following message:

 stars:/user/download/mozilla # ./mozilla
 
 Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server
 Xlib: Invalid XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1 key (failed key comparison)

This is not related to the german lang. pack.
Either run mozilla as the user that started X, or copy the .Xauthority 
file from that user's home directory to root's directory.

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Re: Worth it?

2001-12-02 Thread RV

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:

 

Phillip:
The problem is that you are constantly making comments, responding to 
others posts and critisizing using completely erroneous information. 
That doesn't add any credibility to you, on the contrary. Sometimes you 
respond to people with answers that are off the wall or even absurd.
Case in point: It is clear to me you have no idea/concept what open 
source is. Otherwise you would have not made the comment about MS 
buying and eventually destroying open source software. Go back and 
read about that subject before making those absurd comments.

Other examples that come to mind.

1. I remember you once stating that you have limited experience in 
programing and as an example you mentioned that years ago you used to 
edit autoexec.bat files for MS DOS. That was vey funny.

2. You have made comments about how to format a PC drive showing your 
ignorance about FDISK vs. c:\format c: command. I am just amazed about 
how a person can keep making erroneous comments like this in a public 
setting. You even implied that a person using that command could wipe a 
HD clean by mistake. It would have taken quiote a few mistakes in a row 
before a complete reformat of a drive could have happened.

3. Making erroneous comments about the use and meaning of /, \, and | in 
*nix, and DOS-Win environment.

4. The big debate about your erroneous postings on quotable printable 
characters in emails

5. Download manager issue. .. that was a big one!

I think you have knowledge with Mac and very little to none up-to-date- 
knowledge on other OS (e.g., Win/ *nix). Maybe you should consider using 
your energy and knowledge in what you know best. If the Mac newsgroups 
languish is because the Mac guys are nor participating. I am sure 
mozilla/netscape would like to have more mac open source developers 
working on the code. Most of this work is done by volunteers, therefore 
Mac knowlageable people must come forward and do their part .. code 
writing, triaging, constructive criticism (suggestions) and less whinning.



BTW, Iam curious about what C.E.T. really means? .. besides the acronym 
(Certified Electronics Tech) .. computer/electronic equipment repairs 
and setups?








Re: second post how make mozilla the default

2001-12-02 Thread Joni K.

John Fabiani wrote:

 I have KDE 2.2 RH 7.2 I want to make mozilla the default browers.  How do
 I do that?

I think (although I'm not sure) that Konqueror is KDE's default browser and 
you can't really change that. 

However, in some KDE applications you can define in the preferences which 
browser you want to use...

-- 
  Joni




Re: I need a workaround for Mozilla 0.9.5

2001-12-02 Thread Fabian Schach

 i have more than one browser windows opened
 in the focused window i click on a link and right after clicking
 i change focus to another browser window.
 after a short while the other window steals the focus back.
 when i change the focus again immediately the other window steals it 
 back a second time.
 this does only happen when a clicked link still hasn't finished to load.
 
 if you often click on several links in several windows (like me) this
 can be very annoying - so i would like to deactivate this feature(?)


Focus stealing has never been a feature, it was a bug, but it is fixed. 
It definitely does not happen on Windows 98 anymore. You should try 
Mozilla 0.9.6 or a newer build, and maybe you should create and use a 
new profile. If the problems don't go away please tell which OS you are 
using.





Tab destruction...

2001-12-02 Thread Nils Holland

Hallo folks,

I just noted the following behavior with Mozilla 0.9.6 (compiled from
source by me): If I have multiple tabs open in a single Mozilla window,
and one tab tries to close itself using JavaScript, the whole window is
closed.

Of course, the document shown in the tab doesn't know that it runs inside
a tab, it assumes that it is running in its own window, which it attempts
to close. Thefore, I think a change in Mozilla would probably be a good
idea, so that any one page being displayed in a tab only closes *its own
tab* and leaves the rest of the window (=the other tabs) intact.

If this has already been brought to attention by someone else, I'm sorry
for bringing this up again, however, if not, I thought that someone might
want to deal with this - I don't think that it's urgent, but I guess it
would make more sense if Mozilla would behave as outlined above.


Greetings
Nils




Re: Worth it?

2001-12-02 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.


Henri Sivonen wrote:
 
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I can not believe that I am the only one having the problem if the
  Netscape Champions program recommends not puting both on the same
  partition on the same hard drive.
 
 replay
 Installing them on the same disk might mix up icons and the
 double-clicking associations. Other than that, there is no risk.
 
 The icon mix-up does not imply corruption of the contents of the files.
 The contents are OK. It is only a Finder-level thing.
 
 If you don't like the icon mix-up, you can use disk images. You don't
 need another hard drive.
 /replay
 
 --
 Henri Sivonen
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.clinet.fi/~henris/

Disk Images? You mean save the Netscape 6 entire install as a SMI
format? Like the download of 9.2.1 is formatted?
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Sites refusing Mozilla access

2001-12-02 Thread Bharat Kumar

There are a number of sites that refuse access by Mozilla, and I know there's
some evangelism stuff going on in mozilla.org but I haven't really followed it.
If I come across some well known site that doesn't allow Mozilla, should I open
a separate bug for it? Or is there a mailing list for such stuff?

Thanks,
-Bharat





Re: Worth it?

2001-12-02 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.

DeMoN LaG wrote:
 
 Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 01 Dec 2001:
 
  Yeah...  Sure.  You seem to imply that the Mac going bye bye would
  affect Unix somehow?  The Mac does not compete in the same market
  as Unix.  The Mac has no bearing on Unix at all.
 
  Yes, I am  - because  if Apple was gone, Gates could consentrate
  all his efforts at buying up or killing open source for UNIX and
  other products. You better thank your lucky stars tha Mac is
  around. Its a deversion for Mr Gates to not place 100% of his
  efforts against UNIX and Open Source.
 
 You can't buy up Unix.  Hell, let Bill Gates try to take on Unix in
 the server market.  Never happen.  Unix is too powerful.  And since it's
 open source, you can take plain vanilla unix and craft it to anything to
 suit your needs.  Can't do that with any MS product.  Bring it on, Mr.
 Gates, Open Source is here to stay and there is no way Microsoft could
 eliminate *nix (MS has been trying to eliminate Linux for years, still
 not happening.  In fact, Linux has *gained* market share)
 
 --
 ICQ: N/A (temporarily)
 AIM: FlyersR1 9
 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 _ = m

I seriously hope you are right. But then when the US Government took him
on I thought he'd be broken up into a thousand little piece like the
phone company.

But no he has bambuzzled the Feds and all they did was hey don't do
that and whacked him on the wrist with a ruler.

What should have been done was Allowed him to keep the MS operating
system only and all other products and influences would have to sold or
given to other software vendors. Even IE/OE/Entourage should not have
beeen spared.

To me anyone with that much power. Is down right scary. 

His influence caused Symantec to kill Derinia FaxPro on the Mac. There
are litterally hundreds of faxing software on the PC. Delrina FaxPro was
among the best ever on the Mac Platform (one of only three) and would
have given Apple something to give Microsoft a run for their money. But,
due to influence from Microsoft Delrina was promptly killed within a
month of purchase by symantec. Even though in a notice sent around by
owner and staff of Delrina that Symantec had committed to years of
continued development and support, or else they would not have sold to
them. The Faxpro line still exist on the PC side of things.

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manage bookmarks

2001-12-02 Thread alpha

If you try to create a new drawer u will get a warning what is this 
and is this worth reporting as a bug. ?




Re: manage bookmarks

2001-12-02 Thread Martin Poirier

If you mean the alert when creating a new bookmark folder, it has 
aldready been reported, see 
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108794

alpha wrote:

 If you try to create a new drawer u will get a warning what is this 
 and is this worth reporting as a bug. ?
 





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Re: Sites refusing Mozilla access

2001-12-02 Thread Jerry Park

Bharat Kumar wrote:

 
 There are a number of sites that refuse access by Mozilla, and I know 
 there's
 some evangelism stuff going on in mozilla.org but I haven't really 
 followed it.
 If I come across some well known site that doesn't allow Mozilla, should 
 I open
 a separate bug for it? Or is there a mailing list for such stuff?
 
 Thanks,
 -Bharat
 

Other than setting Mozilla to lie and say it is some other browser, 
there is little you can do.

Always amazes me that anyone (other than Microsoft) would deliberately 
prevent someone from viewing their page. Of course, when Microsoft does 
it, it serves to convince IE users that the other browser must really suck.





Re: Worth it?

2001-12-02 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.


RV wrote:
 
 Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote:
 
 
 
 Phillip:
 The problem is that you are constantly making comments, responding to
 others posts and critisizing using completely erroneous information.
 That doesn't add any credibility to you, on the contrary. Sometimes you
 respond to people with answers that are off the wall or even absurd.
 Case in point: It is clear to me you have no idea/concept what open
 source is. Otherwise you would have not made the comment about MS
 buying and eventually destroying open source software. Go back and
 read about that subject before making those absurd comments.
 
 Other examples that come to mind.
 
 1. I remember you once stating that you have limited experience in
 programing and as an example you mentioned that years ago you used to
 edit autoexec.bat files for MS DOS. That was vey funny.

I believe it was very limited. and the use of the Autoexec or config.sys
files was to show how limited it was.
 
 2. You have made comments about how to format a PC drive showing your
 ignorance about FDISK vs. c:\format c: command. I am just amazed about
 how a person can keep making erroneous comments like this in a public
 setting. You even implied that a person using that command could wipe a
 HD clean by mistake. It would have taken quiote a few mistakes in a row
 before a complete reformat of a drive could have happened.


There is  a difference between fdisk and Init (Intialize)

 
 3. Making erroneous comments about the use and meaning of /, \, and | in
 *nix, and DOS-Win environment.

Its been years since I've dealt with / and \ in Dos I know one is switch
for Directory.
the other is a switch for system command.

| in Unix is called (I believe) a pipe 

 
 4. The big debate about your erroneous postings on quotable printable
 characters in emails

I
 
 5. Download Manager issue. .. that was a big one!

???. Don't remeber that one. Your not taking about the Location Bar in
two pane mode are you?

 
 I think you have knowledge with Mac and very little to none up-to-date-
 knowledge on other OS (e.g., Win/ *nix). Maybe you should consider using
 your energy and knowledge in what you know best. If the Mac newsgroups
 languish is because the Mac guys are nor participating. I am sure
 mozilla/netscape would like to have more mac open source developers
 working on the code. Most of this work is done by volunteers, therefore
 Mac knowlageable people must come forward and do their part .. code
 writing, triaging, constructive criticism (suggestions) and less whinning.
 
 BTW, Iam curious about what C.E.T. really means? .. besides the acronym
 (Certified Electronics Tech) .. computer/electronic equipment repairs
 and setups?

Stands for Certified Electronics Technician (Certified in Consumer
Electronics - Radio/TV/Stereo)
Worked in School system in VA at one time I worked for on Electronics
for 25 schools. Worked on Audio-Visual Equipment, PA, Radio/TV/Stereo,
Computers, Monitors. (Computer names worked on : Epson, IBM, Tesas
Instruments TI-88, Apple, Comodore, WINN,  Machintosh.)
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Help! How to copy addressbooks?

2001-12-02 Thread P Chan

For fun, I tested some very old Mozilla milestones (M4,...)
appreg, registry and mozver.dat in directory .mozilla  should have been 
corrupted because since then, my working profile is no more visible in 
the ProfileManager, even if it actually exists in the .mozilla directory.
So I created a new one into which I copied Mail, it worked fine.
Then I copied the addressbooks: abook.mab, abook-1.mab etc...
But I did not succeed in viewing them with mozilla.

Any help to restore my adressbooks would be highly appreciated!

Hey guys, lng loong way from M4!
Amazing work! :o)





Re: second post how make mozilla the default

2001-12-02 Thread John Fabiani

No wonder I didn't get an answer from the first post.  There is no way.  
Thanks anyway.
John
Joni K. wrote:

 John Fabiani wrote:
 
 I have KDE 2.2 RH 7.2 I want to make mozilla the default browers.  How do
 I do that?
 
 I think (although I'm not sure) that Konqueror is KDE's default browser
 and you can't really change that.
 
 However, in some KDE applications you can define in the preferences which
 browser you want to use...
 






Re: fully customizable toolbars

2001-12-02 Thread Simon Montagu

yatsu wrote:

 Fair enough. I suppose moz. developers must get sick of all these
 requests that can be avoided without too much trouble. Although
 bugzilla's still a rather user unfriendly tool. It'd be nice to see a
 rather simple bug query page with just the summary, description, keyword
 and url queries.


http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/quicksearch.html






Re: I need a workaround for Mozilla 0.9.5

2001-12-02 Thread neil . marshall

Joni K. wrote:

 Fabian Schach wrote:
 
 
Focus stealing has never been a feature, it was a bug, but it is fixed.
It definitely does not happen on Windows 98 anymore. You should try
Mozilla 0.9.6 or a newer build, and maybe you should create and use a
new profile. If the problems don't go away please tell which OS you are
using.

 
 I think some people are still seeing that bug...
 
 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=105225



There are variations of it now.  Browser windows don't appear to steal 
focus from one another, but chatzilla and mail and news sure do.  If I 
click on the mail and news icon and then click quickly click on an 
irc:// bookmark I can watch the two duke it out to see who is the champ 
:)  Usually mail and news wins because it tries to steal the focus a 
couple times.





Re: Worth it?

2001-12-02 Thread Henri Sivonen

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Disk Images? You mean save the Netscape 6 entire install as a SMI
 format?

Yes. (But the disk image does not need to need a self-mounting image 
[smi] a regular image will do.)

Move the entire Netscape 6 folder on a disk image. Then unmount the 
image. Now you can rebuild the desktop file and the icons of Netscape 
Communicator return to normal. Also, when the disk image is unmounted, 
Interarchy etc. will launch Communicator.

When you need Netscape 6, you can mount the disk image in a couple of 
seconds. When you are ready to use Netscape 6 primarily, you can put the 
old Communicator on the disk image instead.

-- 
Henri Sivonen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Sites refusing Mozilla access

2001-12-02 Thread Henri Sivonen

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bharat Kumar 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If I come across some well known site that doesn't allow Mozilla, should 
 I open a separate bug for it?

Yes. Please file a bug in the Tech Evangelism component.

-- 
Henri Sivonen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.hut.fi/u/hsivonen/




Re: Worth it?

2001-12-02 Thread DeMoN LaG

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 02 Dec 2001: 

 1. I remember you once stating that you have limited experience in
 programing and as an example you mentioned that years ago you used
 to edit autoexec.bat files for MS DOS. That was vey funny. 
 
 I believe it was very limited. and the use of the Autoexec or
 config.sys files was to show how limited it was.

That is not programming.  That is editing a text file

 
 2. You have made comments about how to format a PC drive showing
 your ignorance about FDISK vs. c:\format c: command. I am just
 amazed about how a person can keep making erroneous comments like
 this in a public setting. You even implied that a person using
 that command could wipe a HD clean by mistake. It would have taken
 quiote a few mistakes in a row before a complete reformat of a
 drive could have happened. 
 
 
 There is  a difference between fdisk and Init (Intialize)

there is no Init on a PC.  In order to accidently FDISK a drive, you 
must type:
fdisk
y (if on Win 95B or higher)
3
1
y
volume label

If one were to accidently type all of that into FDISK, they deserve 
their data lost.  There is no Initialize on the PC.  There is formating.  
You can technically format a drive to about 80% and then cancel it and 
not have a problem, as the drive's FAT is not written until the end, at 
which point data is unrecoverable.  

 
 
 3. Making erroneous comments about the use and meaning of /, \,
 and | in *nix, and DOS-Win environment. 
 
 Its been years since I've dealt with / and \ in Dos I know one is
 switch for Directory.
 the other is a switch for system command.

\ is not a switch for a directory.  \ is the directory seperator.  c:
\winnt\system32.  The \'s denote directories.  / is a switch.  most 
programs you can type %name% /? and get a list of switches.  

 
| in Unix is called (I believe) a pipe 

It's not called a pipe in unix.  It's called a pipe everywhere.  in the 
old Dos days, you'd do:
type somefile.txt |more
which would Pipe the output of the type command on somefile.txt into 
the more.com program, which displayed things one screenlength at a time

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Re: Worth it?

2001-12-02 Thread Christian Biesinger

DeMoN LaG wrote:

 You can technically format a drive to about 80% and then cancel it and 
 not have a problem, as the drive's FAT is not written until the end, at 
 which point data is unrecoverable.  

Data is not necessarily unrecoverable.
Firstly, only the FAT is overwritten, so the actual data is still on disk.
Secondly, there was an unformat command in MS-DOS. Unless you used 
format /u, you could undo the formatting.

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Re: Worth it?

2001-12-02 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.


DeMoN LaG wrote:
--snip--

 The Mac needs more than fax software to give Windows and the PC platform
 a run for it's money
 
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I agree, they need more support from software vendors, and Distributors,
and Developers.

Let's let the thread die. its not going anywhere anyway.

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Re: Worth it?

2001-12-02 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.


DeMoN LaG wrote:
 
 Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 02 Dec 2001:
 
  1. I remember you once stating that you have limited experience in
  programing and as an example you mentioned that years ago you used
  to edit autoexec.bat files for MS DOS. That was vey funny.
 
  I believe it was very limited. and the use of the Autoexec or
  config.sys files was to show how limited it was.
 
 That is not programming.  That is editing a text file
 
 
  2. You have made comments about how to format a PC drive showing
  your ignorance about FDISK vs. c:\format c: command. I am just
  amazed about how a person can keep making erroneous comments like
  this in a public setting. You even implied that a person using
  that command could wipe a HD clean by mistake. It would have taken
  quiote a few mistakes in a row before a complete reformat of a
  drive could have happened.
 
 
  There is  a difference between fdisk and Init (Intialize)
 
 there is no Init on a PC.  In order to accidently FDISK a drive, you
 must type:
 fdisk
 y (if on Win 95B or higher)
 3
 1
 y
 volume label
 
 If one were to accidently type all of that into FDISK, they deserve
 their data lost.  There is no Initialize on the PC.  There is formating.
 You can technically format a drive to about 80% and then cancel it and
 not have a problem, as the drive's FAT is not written until the end, at
 which point data is unrecoverable.
 
 
 
  3. Making erroneous comments about the use and meaning of /, \,
  and | in *nix, and DOS-Win environment.
 
  Its been years since I've dealt with / and \ in Dos I know one is
  switch for Directory.
  the other is a switch for system command.
 
 \ is not a switch for a directory.  \ is the directory seperator.  c:
 \winnt\system32.  The \'s denote directories.  / is a switch.  most
 programs you can type %name% /? and get a list of switches.

Wrong choice of words for the Directory.

 
 
 | in Unix is called (I believe) a pipe
 
 It's not called a pipe in unix.  It's called a pipe everywhere.  in the
 old Dos days, you'd do:
 type somefile.txt |more
 which would Pipe the output of the type command on somefile.txt into
 the more.com program, which displayed things one screenlength at a time

Never saw | used on DOS. had to deal with DOS 3.1, 3.2, 3.3

I might still have an Epson Equity III DOS Manual I believe it was using
DOS 3.1

several years since used DOS.

 
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Re: DOM Inspector enabled in mozilla nightly builds

2001-12-02 Thread Michael Gratton


Joe Hewitt wrote:

 As of tonight, the DOM Inspector tool will be built by default on all 
 three major platforms and included in the nightly builds (Mozilla only).

Fantastic! I would have to say that the DOM Inspector, combined with Venkmann, make 
Moz the ultimate tool for web developers.

The two make Moz so insanely great, it's making me froth at the mouth! See! I'm doing 
it already! 8)


Joe and everyone else who hacked at it, thank you, thank you! Thank you!

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Re: XML not rendered

2001-12-02 Thread Michael Gratton


Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote:

 
 What Mozilla is doing now isn't more correct than what explorer does. 

Oh, I don't know about that. Web browsers apply somthing approaching the W3C's 
suggested style to HTML makrup when rendering it, which is obviously a good thing. But 
no-one as specified a default style for XML markup, precisely because you can't know 
how to render arbitary content.

If, however you are dealing with a well known and supported doctype, like SVG, MathML 
or similar, one which has defined style, then Moz is justified in rendering it using 
that style.

 And all things being equal, Explorer's behaviour is far more useful.

Initially, if you're trying to view an XML document, yes. But something like the DOM 
inspector is far more useful for rendering arbitary XML content, IMHO.

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Re: XML not rendered

2001-12-02 Thread Matthew Thomas

Michael Gratton wrote:
 
 Ranjit Mathew wrote:
 
  It would be quite nice (REALLY nice) if Moz could
  apply a default XSL to XML files that do not supply
  one. That shouldn't be too hard.
 
 I dunno, it seems much more correct to not have a default, because
 unless you *do* specify a stylesheet, style for arbitrary XML is
 inherently undefined.

Undefined means that browsers can do whatever they like with it. MSIE
does whatever it likes with it; it shows it as a collapsible tree.
Mozilla does whatever it likes with it; it shows it as stream of text.
The tree rendering is clearly more useful than the stream of text
rendering. Therefore MSIE's behavior is more correct.

 But to be able to configure one if needed, either through the
 Preferences, via a hidden pref or using something like userContent.css
 would be cool.
...

Cool but useless, since even amongst those users who liked to look at
vanilla XML files (developers, mainly), a majority would not -- and
should not have to -- bother doing anything special to see the tree.

`[RFE] Better Default layout for vanilla XML documents'
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64945.

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Re: Group Tabs?

2001-12-02 Thread Tim Wunder

Mark wrote:

 Suggestion for a new feature, that I suppose would become post-1.0:
 
 The ability to define/create bookmark groups, or to be able to define 
 certain already existing bookmark folders in such a way so that all of 
 the URL's within would open on one click in individual tabs (at the same 
 time). For example: One click on my news folder would open all 4 sites 
 at the same time.
 
 Mark


http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102130





Re: New Features Wanted

2001-12-02 Thread Robert Zaichkowski

True enough!  That is completely understandable!  Besides, one can use 
other alternatives anyway!  Like why would Microsoft put in all this 
unnecessary crap in their browser anyway?  Konqueror in the K Desktop 
Environment is another of such example!

Full Decent wrote:

 
 3. Improve File Manager Capabilities

 How?  By allowing users to view information on hard drives.  By adding a
 tab that will allow users to view all the folders in the hard drive.  By
 allowing users to move, copy, and delete some of the files.

 
 
 It's just that you don't want another explorer - bloating has more 
 side-effects than just speed hits
 





Re: XML not rendered

2001-12-02 Thread Michael Gratton


Matthew Thomas wrote:

 
 Therefore MSIE's behavior is more correct.

Splitting hairs: more *useful*, not more *correct*. How can you be correctly doing 
something that is undefined? 8)

 Cool but useless, since even amongst those users who liked to look at
 vanilla XML files (developers, mainly), a majority would not

Okay, okay, I'd still like to see it customizable, however. Maybe once Moz's XSLT 
support is up to it (if it isn't already) then having a default (but customizable) 
XSLT stylesheet to transform it into something pretty and renderable would work.

 `[RFE] Better Default layout for vanilla XML documents'
 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64945.

Check. I should probably go have a read.


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Re: Group Tabs?

2001-12-02 Thread Mark

Tim Wunder wrote:

 http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102130


Excellent - thanks!


Mark


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Mozilla ActiveX control

2001-12-02 Thread ask

Hi,
 I am trying to use the mozilla activeX control. It always crashes (both
release and debug - using 0.9.6 build) when I go to run a sample MFC
dialog application with the control embedded in it. There is no other code
other than the insertion of the control. It works on my desktop and crashes
on a laptop (both run win2k version: 5.00.2195).

Can anyone give me hints as to what could be wrong?

If this is not the right newgroup for this post - kindly point me to the
right one.

Thanks.






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Re: nsString status?

2001-12-02 Thread Chuck Messenger

Christian Biesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...

 This is a much more up-to-date version of the string guide:
 http://www.melez.com/stringdoc/string-guide.html

Great -- thanks!

It would be helpful for newbies such as myself if this doc were pointed to
from http://www.mozilla.org/docs/

- Chuck






Hotmail attachment downloads? (Mozilla 0.95 problem)

2001-12-02 Thread Erik Harris

I tried downloading an attachment yesterday through Mozilla 0.95 from my
Hotmail account.  As soon as I did, Hotmail asked me for my password, as it
occasionally does if the connection gets lost or my login times out.  When I
type it in and submit it, I get asked for my password again (and again, and
again).

However, as soon as I load Netscape 4 up and try the same thing, the
attachment downloads on the first time.

Anyone else experience this problem?  Will it be fixed in a future milestone
release?  Will Mozilla ever become functional enough that I won't have to
keep Netscape 4 or IE lying around to use whenever I want to make sure I can
actually do something on the web? :-(

I like Mozilla a lot better than its two main competitors, but it has yet to
demonstrate that it can fully replace either of them by being a fully
functional browser. :(

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Bugzilla Profile Question

2001-12-02 Thread Mike Koenecke

I've tried to edit my Bugzilla profile, but do not see how I can change my user
name. My user name is mkoenecke (at symbol) home.com, and I need to change
that for obvious reasons, being an ATT @Home subscriber now relegated to using
my free AOL account for newsgroup access. Anyone know how I can change my user
name? Should I just cancel that account and create a new one instead?
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Re: Hotmail attachment downloads? (Mozilla 0.95 problem)

2001-12-02 Thread gdrft

I've experienced the same, but I haven't figured out why it is happening 
yet... I thought it was due to the cookies, but then even when I set 
accept all cookies it still happens...
Does anyone have an explanation?


Erik Harris wrote:

 I tried downloading an attachment yesterday through Mozilla 0.95 from my
 Hotmail account.  As soon as I did, Hotmail asked me for my password, as it
 occasionally does if the connection gets lost or my login times out.  When I
 type it in and submit it, I get asked for my password again (and again, and
 again).





Re: Worth it?

2001-12-02 Thread Henri Sivonen

In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Do you use DiskCopy. to make image.

Yes.

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Bookmark icons don't persist

2001-12-02 Thread Nigel L

I just noticed that the icons don't seem to persist between sessions.  I 
had imagined that once established (e.g., Hotmail butterfly, NYTimes 
curly T), they'd stay on the drop-down menu.  Surely that is the intent, 
isn't it?





Compose MHTML with Mozilla mail

2001-12-02 Thread Dusan Vujosevic

Hi,

If I create a MIME message and put HTML  text (multipart/alternative)
in it, I am able to get the old Netscape 4.xx to pop up a new message
window with the following command:

netscape -compose MyMimeMail.eml

It will take the file MyMimeMail.eml and put it in the body (whether
text or HTML) of the e-mail, let user edit it and send it.

Is there a way to do the same thing for Mozilla?

Any help is appreciated.

TIA,
Dusan