Re: proxy configuration

[Schelstraete Bart]

TheMgt wrote:

>Mozilla 0.98 connects directly no matter what I specify in the proxy
>settings. Is this broken at the moment ?
>

Are you using the Automatic proxy configuration option, or the 'manual' proxy?


regards,

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Re: download manager

[michael]

Orrin Edenfield wrote:
> 
> You also might try right clicking on the download image or the link to
> download and select "copy."  I use Getright and lots of times Getright
> monitors the clipboard and when you copy something it goes in the
> clipboard and then Getright gets it.
> 
> Sören Kuklau wrote:
> 
> > Skylark wrote:
> >
> >> my download manager cannot seem to jump in and take the download with
> >> Mozilla.  even when I try and hold the Control and Alt buttons.  how
> >> do I get My getright to work with Mozilla 098 32 bit.  thanks.
> >>
> >
> > this is a known issue. try to drop links to the getright drop target
> > manually.
> >
> 
> --
> Orrin Edenfield  -  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  -  www.orrinrule.com

My experience is that what works that way will also drag-and-drop. It's
when the "copy" or "drag-drop" results in HTML being copied or
downloaded that can be a problem; lot's of those . Then my little
dance works, though, and all is well.

Now, if only my access provider would solve their modem problems so I
don't get dropped so often . . .

michael

Re: download manager

[michael]

Stan Lee wrote:
> 
> Holger Metzger wrote:
> 
> > Skylark wrote:
> >
> >
> >>my download manager cannot seem to jump in and take the download with
> >>Mozilla.  even when I try and hold the Control and Alt buttons.  how do
> >>I get My getright to work with Mozilla 098 32 bit.  thanks.
> >>
> >
> > Try a different Downloader program, for example
> > , it comes with a plugin for Mozilla
> > browsers:  
> >
> 
> getright has a plugin also
> 
> GetRight has a Plug-In for the Opera, Netscape 6, and Mozilla web
> browsers. This allows some of the same "Click Monitoring" to make using
> GetRight to download as easy as clicking within your web browser.
> 
> see http://www.getright.com/opera.html

  I had not noticed that such a plugin was available. Thanks for
mentioning it.  (!!)  I'm off to get it now. . . 

michael

Re: Movable, customizable toolbars.

[David W. Fenton]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Thomas) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 

>"David W. Fenton" wrote:
>> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Thomas) wrote in
>>...
>> > I don't like Mozilla. From a user's point of view, Mozilla is
>> > worse in every respect -- except page rendering speed -- than
>> > 4.x, MSIE, or iCab. The installation process is worse, the
>> > footprint is worse, the UI is worse, the responsiveness is
>> > worse, the feature set is worse, the configurability is worse,
>> > and the platform integration is worse.
>> 
>> I don't know what Mozilla version you are using, but the one I'm
>> using (0.9.6) is:
>> 
>> 1. faster than IE 5.5
>
>The figures in
> 
>are still largely accurate. Mozilla is now a bit faster than it
>was then, but MSIE 5.1 is also a bit faster than MSIE 5.0 was
>then. 

Mozilla renders pages faster. It gets them onscreen in a readable
form sooner than either IE or NS4.x. This is my experience with
Mozilla on a number of computers, from my slow one to my fast one
to faster ones that I've used at clients while working onsite. 

>> 2. renders pages more reliably and more attractively than NS 4.x
>
>Mozilla's current style sheet support is certainly more reliable
>and attractive than that of 4.x (that's an understatement).
>However, a large majority of the Web pages about which Tech
>Evangelism bugs filed in Bugzilla, where the pages don't work in
>current Mozilla builds, the same pages work fine in 4.x, making
>Mozilla's rendering seem less reliable now than it was then. And
>the increased attractiveness brought about by Mozilla's improved
>style sheet support is largely counteracted by its incredibly ugly
>HTML form controls. 

I'm not talking about stylesheet support, I'm speaking of the basic
font rendering. NS3 had good, attractive font spacing and leading,
but they mucked it up in NS4. IE was not as good as NS3, but it was
better than NS4. Now Mozilla is better than all of them. 

And in terms of pages that don't render, I encountered far more
problems with NS4.x than I've ever encountered with Mozilla. That's
one of the reasons it became my default browser, because more pages
came out looking right. 

>> 3. not made by Microsoft
>
>That's something which (alas) matters to perhaps five percent of
>the computer-using population.

It's a real plus for me.

>> 4. more stable than NS 4.x by a long shot
>
>I can't comment on that, since I use daily builds rather than
>milestones. 

I used 0.9.3 first and then after I heard about the tabs, installed
0.9.6. I'm never looking back. 

Mozilla has crashed maybe a dozen times. NS used to crash that many
times a day. 

And NS was very sensitive on my system to how quickly I opened new
browser windows. Mozilla seems to have no limits in this regard. 

>> 5. has the tabbed UI that is far, far superior than anything IE
>> or NS 4.x have to offer
>
>MSIE does a devilishly clever thing: it uses the window manager
>provided by the operating system. That way it manages to behave
>consistently with most other apps on your computer, except
>Mozilla. 

Well, I don't *like* the basic look and feel of IE and I never
have, not when it was new, and not when it reached maturity with
IE5. For a while I used IE5 as my default browser at work, choosing
it over NS4.x, but when I left that job, I just didn't feel like
continuing with it, mostly because of the insecurity of it. 

>> 6. fast enough on my ancient Win95 P120 with 128MBs to be my
>> default browser (though it is definitely not fast in many ways).
>
>For a laugh, a couple of months ago I ran the Windows versions of
>MSIE 5.0 and Mozilla 0.9.6 on a 486 with 24 MB RAM. MSIE was just
>about bearable, with pages rendering in about 40 seconds on
>average. Mozilla, on the other hand, took about two and a half
>minutes per page. (Turning on Quick Launch hardly made any
>difference to Mozilla's startup time, but it did make MSIE's
>startup take twice as long, which I found extremely funny.)

If it runs usably on a P120 with 128MBs of RAM, it really ought to
run just fine on any hardware that is not completely ancient (my
computer was 6 years old in January; I also have a PIII 500 with
256MBs running NT4, but it's not my daily workstation; this
guarantees that my programs run really nicely on my clients'
equipment -- that is, if I can stand it on my old clunker, it will
be great on their machines). 

>> One of the false speed tests that IE wins is load time. IE puts
>> up a window a lot faster during loading than Mozilla, but YOU
>> CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT WINDOW for a very long time after it
>> loads. I can type into the Mozilla URL text box as soon as I can
>> see it. 
>
>But you don't see it until Mozilla is well into loading your home
>page. 

That's only initial load.

Once it's started up, Mozilla is just as fast to load as IE, and on
pages with complex tables, Mozilla beats IE. Both beat NS4.x with
complex tables. 

>Ceteris paribu

Re: 0.9.8 Mac installer failure. Help!

[David Jackson]

Here is the MacsBug log of one of those type 12 error intaller
crashes:

  MacsBug 6.6.3, Copyright Apple Computer, Inc. 1981-2000
  
Undefined A-Trap at 05561FF0
 
  19-Feb-2002 6:35:35 AM (since boot = 3 minutes)
  Current application is "Mozilla Installer"
  Machine = #112 (PowerMac7100_66), System $0904, sysu = $01008000
  ROM version $077D, $20F2, $0003 (ROMBase $4080)
  VM is on; paging is currently safe (and it probably isn't VM's
fault)
  NIL^ = $4081
  Stack space used = +40786626
 Address 05561FF0 is in the "Mozilla Installer" heap at 0551A380 
 It is 7110 bytes into this heap block:
 StartLength  Tag  Mstr Ptr Lock Prg  Type   ID   File
 Name
  • 0555AEE0 8000+04   N  
 68020 Registers
  D0 =   A0 = 068E240C   USP  = 05561FD0
  D1 = A28A  A1 = 05561CC8   MSP  = 
  D2 = 0006  A2 = 505FAF5F   ISP  = 0822EC00
  D3 = 4E53AE8F  A3 = 05530490   VBR  = 0017A46C
  D4 = 4E7FAE4C  A4 = 080BBEE0   CACR = 0001 SFC = 0
  D5 = 5068AE63  A5 = 07C47B60   CAAR =  DFC = 0
  D6 = 0815AE2C  A6 = 05562060   PC   = 05561FF0
  D7 = 07C47B60  A7 = 05561FD0   SR   = smxnzvc  Int = 0
 Disassembling from 05561FD8
  No procedure name
05561FD8   ADDQ.W #$8,(A7)+   
   | 505F
05561FDA   _rMASK9,AutoPop   ;
4088E96E   | AF5F
05561FDC   BCHG   D2,(A6) 
   | 0556
05561FDE   MOVE.B A0,(A6)+
   | 1CC8
05561FE0   ORI.B  #$00,D0 
   |  
05561FE4   ORI.B  #$06,D0 
   |  0006
05561FE8   ORI.B  #$30,D0; '0'
   |  0030
05561FEC   ORI.B  #$A28A,D0   
   |  A28A
05561FF0  *DC.W   $FE02  ;    
   | FE02
05561FF2   ORI.B  #$2400,D0   
   |  2400
05561FF6   ORI.B  #$0556,$2060(A0)   ; 'V'
   | 0028 0556 2060
05561FFC   ORI.B  #$3802,(A3) 
   | 0013 3802
05562000   BCHG   D2,(A7)+
   | 055F
05562002   AND.L  D0,D7   
   | CE80
05562004   ORI.B  #$B7D4,D2   
   | 0002 B7D4
05562008   ADDI.L #$E4F4068E,A5   
   | 068D E4F4 068E
0556200E   MOVE.L $,D5
   | 2A38 
05562012   ORI.B  #$00,D0 
   |  
05562016   ORI.B  #$00,D0 
   |  
0556201A   ORI.B  #$00,D0 
   |  
 Heap zones
  #1  Mod   11144K  2800 to 00AE498F  SysZone^
  #2  Mod   8K00014660 to 000166FF  ROM read-only zone
  #3  Mod  121277K  00AE4990 to 08153DDF  Process Manager zone
  #4  Mod   40037K0551A380 to 07C33A7F  "Mozilla Installer" 
ApplZone^  TheZone^  Tar
getZone
  #5  Mod  18K07CD2EB0 to 07CD775F
  #6  Mod 954K07CEF790 to 07DDE28F  "Finder"
  #7  Mod  99K07DF2BF0 to 07E0BAEF  "Time Synchronizer"
  #8  Mod  92K07E16450 to 07E2D70F  "Norton Scheduler"
  #9  Mod1521K07EA74B0 to 08023BAF  "Norton FileSaver
Extension"
  #10 Mod 361K08038510 to 08092C0F  "Folder Actions"
  #11 Mod 153K080E3A30 to 0810A12F  "Control Strip
Extension"
  #12 Mod 768K  0815B5A0 to 0821B59F
  #13 Mod5119K  0890 to 08DFFFCF
  #14 Mod 144K08A413D0 to 08A653CF
  #15 Mod  94K08AC74A0 to 08ADF07F
Checking all heaps
 The System heap at 2800 is ok
 The ROM read-only heap at 00014660 is ok
 The Process Manager heap at 00AE4990 is ok
 The "Mozilla Installer" heap at 0551A380 is ok
 The heap at 07CD2EB0 is ok
 The "Finder" heap at 07CEF790 is ok
 The "Time Synchronizer" heap at 07DF2BF0 is ok
 The "Norton Scheduler" heap at 07E16450 is ok
 The "Norton FileSaver Extension" heap at 07EA74B0 is ok
 The "Folder Actions" heap at 08038510 is ok
 The "Control Strip Extension" heap at 080E3A30 is ok
  System heap high free space + TempMem low free space = #77965072
(#74M)
 The target heap is the System heap at 2800
 Totaling the System heap at 2800
 Total BlocksTotal of Block Sizes
  Free   000B  #11   00016D70   #93552
(#91K)
  Nonrelocatable 0936#2358   00576CAC #5729452
(#5595K)
  Relocatable0B49#2889   00554730 #5588784
(#5457K)
Locked   03B9 #953   0040B190 #4239760
(#4140K)
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Re: Movable, customizable toolbars.

[Matthew Thomas]

"David W. Fenton" wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Thomas) wrote in
>...
> > I don't like Mozilla. From a user's point of view, Mozilla is
> > worse in every respect -- except page rendering speed -- than 4.x,
> > MSIE, or iCab. The installation process is worse, the footprint is
> > worse, the UI is worse, the responsiveness is worse, the feature
> > set is worse, the configurability is worse, and the platform
> > integration is worse.
> 
> I don't know what Mozilla version you are using, but the one I'm
> using (0.9.6) is:
> 
> 1. faster than IE 5.5

The figures in

are still largely accurate. Mozilla is now a bit faster than it was
then, but MSIE 5.1 is also a bit faster than MSIE 5.0 was then.

> 2. renders pages more reliably and more attractively than NS 4.x

Mozilla's current style sheet support is certainly more reliable and
attractive than that of 4.x (that's an understatement). However, a large
majority of the Web pages about which Tech Evangelism bugs filed in
Bugzilla, where the pages don't work in current Mozilla builds, the same
pages work fine in 4.x, making Mozilla's rendering seem less reliable
now than it was then. And the increased attractiveness brought about by
Mozilla's improved style sheet support is largely counteracted by its
incredibly ugly HTML form controls.

> 3. not made by Microsoft

That's something which (alas) matters to perhaps five percent of the
computer-using population.

> 4. more stable than NS 4.x by a long shot

I can't comment on that, since I use daily builds rather than milestones.

> 5. has the tabbed UI that is far, far superior than anything IE or
> NS 4.x have to offer

MSIE does a devilishly clever thing: it uses the window manager provided
by the operating system. That way it manages to behave consistently with
most other apps on your computer, except Mozilla.

> 6. fast enough on my ancient Win95 P120 with 128MBs to be my
> default browser (though it is definitely not fast in many ways).

For a laugh, a couple of months ago I ran the Windows versions of MSIE
5.0 and Mozilla 0.9.6 on a 486 with 24 MB RAM. MSIE was just about
bearable, with pages rendering in about 40 seconds on average. Mozilla,
on the other hand, took about two and a half minutes per page. (Turning
on Quick Launch hardly made any difference to Mozilla's startup time,
but it did make MSIE's startup take twice as long, which I found
extremely funny.)

> One of the false speed tests that IE wins is load time. IE puts up
> a window a lot faster during loading than Mozilla, but YOU CAN'T DO
> ANYTHING WITH THAT WINDOW for a very long time after it loads. I
> can type into the Mozilla URL text box as soon as I can see it.

But you don't see it until Mozilla is well into loading your home page.

Ceteris paribus, if actual speed is the same in each browser, then the
browser with the greatest *perceived* speed will win. So it is better to
put up a window more quickly, even if the user can't do anything with it.

>...
> Maybe Mozilla is unacceptable on the Mac, but on Windows, it's the
> best browser available.
>...

Oh, right. That would explain why so many millions of people have
downloaded it, like they downloaded Netscape 3.0 (which really *was* the
best browser available).

-- 
Matthew `mpt' Thomas, Mozilla UI Design component default assignee thing

Re: download manager

[Skylark]

Stan Lee wrote:
> Holger Metzger wrote:
> 
>> Skylark wrote:
>>
>>
>>> my download manager cannot seem to jump in and take the download with
>>> Mozilla.  even when I try and hold the Control and Alt buttons.  how do
>>> I get My getright to work with Mozilla 098 32 bit.  thanks.
>>>
>>
>> Try a different Downloader program, for example
>> , it comes with a plugin for Mozilla
>> browsers:  
>>
> 
> getright has a plugin also
> 
> GetRight has a Plug-In for the Opera, Netscape 6, and Mozilla web 
> browsers. This allows some of the same "Click Monitoring" to make using 
> GetRight to download as easy as clicking within your web browser.
> 
> see http://www.getright.com/opera.html
> 

Stan,  thanks alot I got the getright plugin and installed easy.  Can I 
ask everybody another question please.  When I use the Mozilla 098 
browser to goto www.radio.netscape.com , I get the radio display, but 
not getting any sound.  1st, is it even possible to do this, and 2nd if 
it is possible than how to do it.  I thought at first, this was 
something to do with the real player plugin, but still no go.  thanks.

Re: proxy configuration

[DeMoN LaG]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (TheMgt) wrote in 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 19 Feb 2002:

> Mozilla 0.98 connects directly no matter what I specify in the proxy
> settings. Is this broken at the moment ?
> 

Did you migrate your profile from NN4.x?  If so, have you tried creating 
a new profile?

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Re: Movable, customizable toolbars.

[Matthew Thomas]

"Justin H." wrote:
> 
> Matthew Thomas wrote:
> >
> > Because I don't want to have it on my conscience that I didn't help.
> > I don't have the knowledge, hardware, or temperament to contribute
> > code, so I taught myself about UI design and contributed that
> > instead.
> 
> If you don't mind my asking, was there any particular reference that
> you learned from?
>...

Not just one reference, no.

-- 
Matthew `mpt' Thomas, Mozilla UI Design component default assignee thing

Re: Movable, customizable toolbars.

[Matthew Thomas]

David Tenser wrote:
> 
> Matthew Thomas wrote:
>...
> > So you have the worst of both worlds. Those people who normally
> > *would* want to customize their toolbar can't, and those people who
> > normally *wouldn't* want to customize it end up wishing they could.
> 
> Exactly. How long will it take before these things change to the
> better?

For the most part, it's the same as anything else in Mozilla: `until
someone fixes it'.

At the moment the blocker is that someone needs to draw icons, for both
normal and pressed states in both Classic and Modern, for the following:
*   Back
*   Forward
*   Stop
*   Reload
*   Home
*   Search
*   Bookmarks
*   History
*   Mail/News
*   Composer

(There will be more icons needed once the Toolbar becomes customizable,
but those ten are enough for starters.)

Classic has icons for a few of those, and Modern has icons for the first
four, but neither set are particularly good -- the Classic icons look
crappy with the nsITheme toolbars in Windows XP and Mac OS X (and
arguably looked crappy even in 4.x), while the Modern icons are
unnecessarily difficult to distinguish and won't work when the
text/icons/both option is implemented.

Up to now, Mozilla's icons have been drawn by people in the Netscape UE
department, and icons drawn by anyone else have pretty thoroughly been
ignored. However, Netscape UE appears to want Mozilla (and Netscape, by
extension) to remain a niche browse for geeks, so they are unwilling to
contribute icons to make the Toolbar more usable. So, in this case it's
not just `until someone fixes it'; once someone contributes the icons,
there is also political work to do to get the improvements checked in.

> Blake Moss scared me by saying:

It's Blake Ross.

> "[mpt] is the default assignee for that component [...]  It is likely,
> furthermore, that this component is going away."
> 
> Is this true?
>...

That was the first I'd heard of it.

-- 
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Re: download manager

[Stan Lee]

Holger Metzger wrote:

> Skylark wrote:
> 
> 
>>my download manager cannot seem to jump in and take the download with
>>Mozilla.  even when I try and hold the Control and Alt buttons.  how do
>>I get My getright to work with Mozilla 098 32 bit.  thanks.
>>
> 
> Try a different Downloader program, for example
> , it comes with a plugin for Mozilla
> browsers:  
> 

getright has a plugin also

GetRight has a Plug-In for the Opera, Netscape 6, and Mozilla web 
browsers. This allows some of the same "Click Monitoring" to make using 
GetRight to download as easy as clicking within your web browser.

see http://www.getright.com/opera.html

Re: Bookmarks won't scroll.

[Martin Poirier]

Known bug, see http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124485 and 
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125075

Art Jackson wrote:
> I have been using build 2002012803 quite successfully, but I have tried
> updating/upgrading to later nightly builds for the last two weeks. Each
> time, all seems to work fine except when I go to use my Bookmarks, which
> is several hundred, with some being 3 layers deep. As long as the Book-
> mark is showing on the page, everything is fine, but if it's one of the
> Bookmarks that is below the page out of view, when I put my mouse
> pointer
> on the down arrow, it won't scroll down so I can view the other
> Bookmarks.
> I have been going back to the 12803 build which works just fine. Is this
> a known bug, and/or is there a fix available? TIA 
> 
> 

Some bookmarks unresponsive to mouse clicks on latest nightlies

[Randall Parker]

Running NT4 SP6a. I upgraded from v0.98 to the latest Win32 nighties 
in pub/mozilla/nightly/2002-02-18-06-trunk and then many (but not all)
of the bookmarks were unresponsive to left or right clicks. I then 
tried backing up 1 day and then even further back to 2002021510. Still
the same problem. Then I backed up to 2002020803 and bookmarks are all
working again when clicked on. I haven't yet tried any intervening build 
versions from earlier last week to see if they have the problem.

Also, another symptom: when you type in a pattern in the URL control
at the top you can click on pop down item for doing a Google search (at 
least I have it configured for Google). Well, on these same builds the
clicking on that pop-down single item combo list has no effect. But 
clicking on the Search button does still work. 

Anyone else seeing this?

Re: Movable, customizable toolbars.

[David Tenser]

Actually, I really like Internet Explorer. I'd like to see Mozilla grow 
to be a much more powerful alternative, hopefully both faster and with 
more customization options. It's looking better and better every day.

Small things that I'd like to see in Mozilla, that I just came up with:

* Right click a animated gif and choose "Stop Animation"
* Menu item "Stop All Animations"

/ David


Andrew Mutch wrote:
> David,
> 
> I can understand sticking to Mozilla. I just wanted it to be clear to
> everyone that you don't have to be stuck with the IE 3.0-style
> interface. You can select from dozens of interface styles and users
> have the ability, through the macro functionality to power-up K-Meleon
> beyond basic browsing. Just for my curiousity, what kind of features
> are you looking for in Mozilla and IE6 that you don't see in other
> browser offerings?
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> 
> David Tenser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
>news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> 
>>Thanks for the tip Andrew, but K-Meleon was really just an ugly Internet 
>>Explorer 3.0-styled application with the Gecko engine inside. :(
>>
>>I'd rather stick with Mozilla (and in a few cases IE6).
>>
>>/ David
>>
>>Andrew Mutch wrote:
>>
>>>If you want the ability to:
>>>
>>>* Add and remove toolbar buttons
>>>* Add and remove menus and menu items
>>>* Change the look of the browser toolbars and toolbar buttons
>>>* Have "native" language menus
>>>
>>>Then you should be looking at K-Meleon:
>>>
>>>http://kmeleon.sourceforge.net/
>>>
>>>Gecko engine, whatever interface you want and the ability to fully
>>>customize it to your heart's desire.
>>>
>>>Andrew Mutch 
>>>
>>>
>>>David Tenser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
>news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>>>
>>>
Pratik wrote:


>Good point David. The very same point is also made by mpt. Its his no.1 
>usability problem in Mozilla
>
>http://mpt.phrasewise.com/stories/storyReader$35
>
>
Interesting reading!



>fyi, this problem is being addresed. Look at the following 2 bugs
>
>http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15144
>http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49543
>
>
Appearantly, mpt (Matthew Thomas) is thinking exactly as I am thinking 
about these issues. I hope to see that his suggestions are incorporated 
into Mozilla soon.



>Also look at this spec by mpt.
>
>http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=65067&action=view
>
>
This is exactly as I want it to be!! If (or when) Mozilla gets this 
customizable, I bet many more will use it instead of IE. Very 
insteresting reading, I urge everyone who hasn't already read it to read 
it. This is relevant stuff.

/ David

Re: link to tab?

[Fabricio C Zuardi]

CoL wrote:
> Hi,
> is there any way to force the link in html to open in new tab, without 
> the any users functins? I mean something like: target=_newtabb ?:))
> 
> thx
> CoL
> 

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Re: Will the Netscape/iPlanet layoffs affect Mozilla?

[Adam Bailey]

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Adam Bailey wrote:
>> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> -snip-
 I planet belongs to SUN now.
>>>
>>> Actaully Netscape is owned by a 50/50 split by Sun and AOL-Time-Warner
>> 
>> No, that's iPlanet (barring what [EMAIL PROTECTED] said). Netscape is
>> owned entirely by AOL.
> 
> The information given on various internet news outlets at the time it
> happened said it was a 50/50 split.

AOL bought Netscape. AOL then spun off the server "department" into a
cooperative effort with Sun. Netscape itself was never owned in any part by
Sun (not counting any stock they might have owned).

-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Finger/Web for PGP
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.lull.org/adam/

Re: download manager

[Orrin Edenfield]

You also might try right clicking on the download image or the link to 
download and select "copy."  I use Getright and lots of times Getright 
monitors the clipboard and when you copy something it goes in the 
clipboard and then Getright gets it.

Sören Kuklau wrote:

> Skylark wrote:
>
>> my download manager cannot seem to jump in and take the download with 
>> Mozilla.  even when I try and hold the Control and Alt buttons.  how 
>> do I get My getright to work with Mozilla 098 32 bit.  thanks.
>>
>
> this is a known issue. try to drop links to the getright drop target 
> manually.
>

-- 
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proxy configuration

[TheMgt]

Mozilla 0.98 connects directly no matter what I specify in the proxy
settings. Is this broken at the moment ?

-- 
 TheMgt

Re: Will the Netscape/iPlanet layoffs affect Mozilla?

[Holger Metzger]

"Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T." wrote:

> The information given on various internet news outlets at the time it
> happened said it was a 50/50 split.

Yes, this would make sense, because the server engineers wouldn't have stayed
with AOL/Netscape.

And http://ex-mozilla.wegov2.com/ has a poll "I left Netscape when . . . " and
one point says:
"After AOL moved in but before it became iPlanet"
-- 
Five exclamation marks, the sure sign of an insane mind.
(Terry Pratchett, Reaper Man)
Netscape 6 Tips: http://www.hmetzger.de/netscape6.html

Re: Will the Netscape/iPlanet layoffs affect Mozilla?

[Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.]

The information given on various internet news outlets at the time it
happened said it was a 50/50 split.

However; that said anything could have happened after the original sale.

Adam Bailey wrote:
> 
> Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> -snip-
> >> I planet belongs to SUN now.
> >
> > Actaully Netscape is owned by a 50/50 split by Sun and AOL-Time-Warner
> 
> No, that's iPlanet (barring what [EMAIL PROTECTED] said). Netscape is
> owned entirely by AOL.
> 
> --
> Adam Bailey| Chicago, Illinois
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Finger/Web for PGP
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.lull.org/adam/

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Re: Patch Maker version 2.0beta1 released

[Jonas Jørgensen]

Sören Kuklau wrote:

> Jonas wrote:
>  > Gerv: The / instead of \ and missing ".pl" extension in BAT files
>  > problem that I mailed you about does not seem to fixed yet...
> 
> Might that be the problem?

That problem is about the .bat files generated by pm --init containing 
paths like C:/something/pm\pm instead of C:\something\pm\pm.

/Jonas

Re: Will the Netscape/iPlanet layoffs affect Mozilla?

[Adam Bailey]

Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-snip-
>> I planet belongs to SUN now.
> 
> Actaully Netscape is owned by a 50/50 split by Sun and AOL-Time-Warner

No, that's iPlanet (barring what [EMAIL PROTECTED] said). Netscape is
owned entirely by AOL.


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Re: download manager

[michael]

Sören Kuklau wrote:
> 
> Skylark wrote:
> > my download manager cannot seem to jump in and take the download with
> > Mozilla.  even when I try and hold the Control and Alt buttons.  how do
> > I get My getright to work with Mozilla 098 32 bit.  thanks.
> >
> 
> this is a known issue. try to drop links to the getright drop target
> manually.
> 
> --
> Regards,
> Sören Kuklau ('Chucker')
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Also, 
When a link only wants to DL some HTML, I:
  1. Start the download
  2. Highlight the download address in the progress box
  3. Drag highlighted Address to the GetRite drop box
  4. Click save
  5. Cancel the first download and use only the GetRite one.

Sounds a bit complicated but it's not all that bad.

michael

Bookmarks won't scroll.

[Art Jackson]

I have been using build 2002012803 quite successfully, but I have tried
updating/upgrading to later nightly builds for the last two weeks. Each
time, all seems to work fine except when I go to use my Bookmarks, which
is several hundred, with some being 3 layers deep. As long as the Book-
mark is showing on the page, everything is fine, but if it's one of the
Bookmarks that is below the page out of view, when I put my mouse
pointer
on the down arrow, it won't scroll down so I can view the other
Bookmarks.
I have been going back to the 12803 build which works just fine. Is this
a known bug, and/or is there a fix available? TIA 

-- 
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Mud Chapel Quartet, Southern Gospel Music  
Life is God's open book test. In order to pass,
you must open His book to find the answers.

Re: Using forms in Mozilla

[DeMoN LaG]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edwin Humphries) wrote in 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 18 Feb 2002:

> So OK: how do I install Mozilla so that it ignores the Netscape
> profile/s?
> 

Start Mozilla from the "Profile Manager" link in your start menu.  
Create a new profile called "Moz User" or something, keep everything you 
do there separate from Netscape 6 (especially if you mean 6.0, cause 
that was so old it's bound to have compatibility issues with new 
profiles)

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Capturing URL address

[Kara]

Greetings,
Is it possible to write an application that watches the mozilla
browser(s) and capture the URL's visited and if possible stop user to
visit URL's that are not in the good list. It is possible to capture
some messages from IE using COM such as BeforeNavigate2 and I am
curious to see how can this be done with Mozilla?
I have seen DDE stuff for NS, but I don't want to use it. 
Thanks,
Kara-

Re: 0.9.8 locks up

[Will Dormann]

Christopher Jahn wrote:
> When I try to go to another page by opening a bookmark, Mozilla 
> freezes up. 
> 0.9.8 2002020406 on Win98SE, Duron 800, 128M ram, cable modem
> 
> http://www.generalcadd.com/screen-shots.htm


Try upgrading your Java version to 1.4 if you haven't already


-WD

Re: Patch Maker version 2.0beta1 released

[Sören Kuklau]

Gervase Markham wrote:
>> http://www.gerv.net/software/patch-maker/build-mode.html";>
>> Note: version 2 of Patch Maker requires a new format to the 
>> chromelist.txt file. Therefore, chromelist.txt will need to be 
>> obtained from this page until bug 125588 is fixed.
>> 
> 
> 
> That bug is fixed now :-)

I've tried it with a 2002-02-19-03 Win32 build which should have that 
checkin - still no luck. Tried "/", "\" and "\\" as path delimiters (sp?).

Jonas wrote:
 > Gerv: The / instead of \ and missing ".pl" extension in BAT files
 > problem that I mailed you about does not seem to fixed yet...

Might that be the problem?

I've tried it without the batch files as well though - same problem:

---
> C:\Programme\mozilla.org\2002-02-19\chrome>perl G:\Perl\bin\pm -a content\\navig
> ator\\navigator.xul
> File 'content\\navigator\\navigator.xul' does not exist - not adding.
> 
> C:\Programme\mozilla.org\2002-02-19\chrome>perl G:\Perl\bin\pm -a content\naviga
> tor\navigator.xul
> File 'content\navigator\navigator.xul' does not exist - not adding.
> 
> C:\Programme\mozilla.org\2002-02-19\chrome>perl G:\Perl\bin\pm -a content/naviga
> tor/navigator.xul
> File 'content/navigator/navigator.xul' does not exist - not adding.
---

Maybe I need to re-install pm?

-- 
Regards,
Sören Kuklau ('Chucker')
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Patch Maker version 2.0beta1 released

[Stuart Ballard]

Gervase Markham wrote:
> 
> Good question. In principle, yes - but the changes to the format of
> chromelist.txt may confuse it. To tell the truth, I haven't tested this
> - I simply haven't had time. Back up your data directory and give it a
> go :-)

I'll post back my results if I get a chance to try this. Honestly, I
haven't had any chance to work on mozilla for a while :(

> It will ignore lines prefixed with # or @, for backwardly- and
> forwardly-compatible reasons. Before 2.0 final, it may do more things.

Excellent.

> The incompatible changes were to add this information - unjar now unjars
> each jar into a directory named after itself, to match the layout of
> tarballs.

Cool!

[adding new files stuff]
> That's an interesting idea. However, this feature (as you describe it)
> would add a great deal of complexity to the code.

I know :(

I can't see any way to support adding entirely new files without doing
this though - it's all very well to produce a patch that adds the file,
but if it doesn't also create the patch snippet for adding it to the
jar.mn file it will be crippled.

I think the feature really requires complexity to implement it,
unfortunately. Feel free to prove me wrong! :)

Stuart.

-- 
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FASTNET - Internet Solutions
215.283.2300, ext. 126
www.fast.net

Re: Patch Maker version 2.0beta1 released

[Gervase Markham]

> Does the new patchmaker still understand the .diff, .chromediff and
> .files file from an old installed patchmaker? I ask because I have a
> number of outstanding patches and if I have to upgrade my patchmaker I
> don't want to lose these.

Good question. In principle, yes - but the changes to the format of 
chromelist.txt may confuse it. To tell the truth, I haven't tested this 
- I simply haven't had time. Back up your data directory and give it a 
go :-)

>>One of the changes to Patch Maker 2 makes it more compatible with the
>>layout of unjarred chrome in tarballs. This meant a change to the format
>>of the chromelist.txt file which ships with nightlies. Unfortunately,
>>this change is not backwardly-compatible. Patch Maker 0.75 will not work
>>with nightlies from 2002-02-17 onwards, and Patch Maker 2.0 will not
>>work with nightlies before that date.
> 
> Will patch-maker ignore lines that it doesn't understand in a
> chromelist.txt file?

It will ignore lines prefixed with # or @, for backwardly- and 
forwardly-compatible reasons. Before 2.0 final, it may do more things.

> I ask because I have some implementation thoughts on how to allow
> patch-maker to add completely new files in chrome patches. I haven't
> tried to implement it yet, but I think the theory is sound. It goes
> something like this:
> 
> 1) When generating chromelist.txt from the jar.mn files, add a line at
> the beginning indicating which jar.mn file contained these lines. For

The incompatible changes were to add this information - unjar now unjars 
each jar into a directory named after itself, to match the layout of 
tarballs.

> 2) In the pma command, if the file cannot be found in the chromelist,
> offer the opportunity to add it as a completely new file. If the user
> accepts this option, they must specify a "guide file" which would be a
> file that *does* exist in chromelist, in the same location as the new
> file being added. The location to put the new file in the build tree,
> and which jar.mn to add it to, would be taken from this guide file.

That's an interesting idea. However, this feature (as you describe it) 
would add a great deal of complexity to the code.

Gerv

Identity Certificates and Moz 0.9.8

[Ron]

I am trying to install a self-signed identity certificate into Mozilla
0.9.8.  To say that I am not having any luck would be an
understatement.

Can anyone offer any tips on getting this cert installed into Mozilla?
I am working with both Linux and Win2k on this problem.

Purpose of this:  Extra authentication for certain webpage access (via
SSL and SSLVerifyClient - Require stuff).

Thanks!

Ron Gage - Saginaw, MI

Re: Patch Maker version 2.0beta1 released

[Gervase Markham]

> http://www.gerv.net/software/patch-maker/build-mode.html";>
> Note: version 2 of Patch Maker requires a new format to the 
> chromelist.txt file. Therefore, chromelist.txt will need to be obtained 
> from this page until bug 125588 is fixed.
> 

That bug is fixed now :-)

Gerv

Re: Right-click to validate?

[Per Ångström]

Jorey Bump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> Opera has a great feature that allows you to right-click on any Web page 
>   to access an option that sends it to the W3C validator. Is there 
> anything similar for mozilla?

I would like to point out that Opera will upload the source code
directly to the validator, i.e. it will not just pass the URL. This is
an important aspect, as it allows the validator to validate the source
as the browser sees it.

You can thus validate sites that use server-side browser sniffing to
serve the validator a different page than it server your browser, and
you can validate intranet pages and unpublished work in progress.

I believe that to achieve the same effect in Mozilla, the feature has
to be integrated with the browser. I would gladly see such a feature,
although I think version 1.0 is more important right now.

-- 
Per Å.

Re: Patch Maker version 2.0beta1 released

[Gervase Markham]

> I might just have been too fast and you're still uploading stuff, but 
> anyways, all your "chromelist.txt" files are 404s at the moment 

Yep. Chromelist.txt should come with a recent-enough nightly on all 
platforms except MacOS 9 (which doesn't support Patch Maker 2 anyway.)

Gerv

Re: What is best fileformat (and settings) for screenshots?

[Sören Kuklau]

Peter Lairo wrote:
> Sören Kuklau wrote:
> 
>> Why tend to GIF when you can use PNG :-)
> 
> 
> What are the technical differences between GIF and PNG?
> 
> 
> Feature: |  GIF  |  PNG
> ---
> 32 bit   |   |
> 16 bit   |   |
> 8  bit   |   |
> compression  |   |
> others?  |   |

Let's not forget a major disadvantage of PNG: it doesn't do anymation. 
That's what MNG (Multi-image PNG) was made for, which is not widely 
supported (Mozilla now does it, but I doubt many other browsers and much 
other image manipulation software support it) yet though. There's also 
JNG, by the way, which is kind of a PNG format with compression 
techniques similar to JPEG. I think Mozilla now does that too.

-- 
Regards,
Sören Kuklau ('Chucker')
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: What is best fileformat (and settings) for screenshots?

[Sören Kuklau]

Peter Lairo wrote:
> Morten Nilsen wrote:
> 
>>> What are the technical differences between GIF and PNG?
>>
>> Two "others":
>> PNG: alpha channel
>> GIF: bad licensing


> Please pardon my ignorance: What is "alpha channel" and how would it be 
> useful or used?

Alpha defines whether a pixel in an image bitmap is transparent / 
translucent or not, and if so, how much. PNG has 8 bit Alpha, e.g. 256 
different transparency amounts. GIF has 1 bit Alpha, e.g. only "yes, 
transparent" or "no, opaque".

Gamma defines some kind of brightness, but is not equal to brightness. 
There are common gamma values like 1.2 and 1.8.

Note: I'm no pro here.

-- 
Regards,
Sören Kuklau ('Chucker')
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: What is best fileformat (and settings) for screenshots?

[Peter Lairo]

Morten Nilsen wrote:
>> What are the technical differences between GIF and PNG?
> Two "others":
> PNG: alpha channel
> GIF: bad licensing

Please pardon my ignorance: What is "alpha channel" and how would it be 
useful or used?



-- 

Regards,

Peter Lairo

Re: What is best fileformat (and settings) for screenshots?

[Morten Nilsen]

Peter Lairo wrote:
> Sören Kuklau wrote:
> 
>> Why tend to GIF when you can use PNG :-)
> 
> 
> What are the technical differences between GIF and PNG?
> 
> 
> Feature: |  GIF  |  PNG
> ---
> 32 bit   |   |
> 16 bit   |   |
> 8  bit   |   |
> compression  |   |
> others?  |   |
> 
> 

Two "others":
PNG: alpha channel
GIF: bad licensing

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Re: What is best fileformat (and settings) for screenshots?

[Peter Lairo]

Sören Kuklau wrote:

> Why tend to GIF when you can use PNG :-)

What are the technical differences between GIF and PNG?


Feature: |  GIF  |  PNG
---
32 bit   |   |
16 bit   |   |
8  bit   |   |
compression  |   |
others?  |   |


-- 

Regards,

Peter Lairo

dynamic adding of elements

[Christoph Vogelbusch]

Hi,

I want to make a form with an unknown number of entries.
And I would like to know wether there is a possiblity of adding fields
without reloading the page?
e.g. I have:
input:Field1
input:Field2
button:RemoveOneField button:AddOneField

So that by pressing the button I have only Field1 or can add
Field3,Field4 etc.
There is no matter how the Javascript looks, but
HOW can I extend the shown HTML page with moreInput-fields (especially
without loss of the done input?)

Ciao/2 Christoph

Filling history of an input field (or alternative)

[Christoph Vogelbusch]

Hi,

I want to make a form, where people can input/select a database table
and then select a field of that table.

I would like to do this without select-lists to save space.
So it would be nice to have either the history filled with all the
possiblities OR have a Menu that appears by weither rightclicking or
left clicking on the input.

Is there anything like that possible in Mozilla?

Ciao/2 Christoph

Re: Mozilla Development Roadmap updated - Mozilla is not ready fo 1.0

[jon]

Amen Jonas. Those are my two worst bugs also.

jon

Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
> Oliver C. wrote:
> 
>> The last point is, that it still has some problems with showing 
>> websites correctly.
>> For example Mozilla shows this website not correctly:
>> http://www.interplay.com/giants/index2.html
>> (This bug is known for about a year, don't know the bug number at the 
>> moment)
> 
> 
> Not a Mozilla bug - the site uses invalid HTML code. (Tech Evangelism 
> bug: 79372)
> 
> The two worst bugs currently in Mozilla, IMHO, is 55583 (view-source 
> should show original page source) and 46845 (Form elements don't reset 
> upon reloading page). They both cause very annoying dataloss, and they 
> are both futured... :-(
> 
> After them, standards compliance bugs (layout/DOM) should be the number 
> one priority, IMHO.
> 
> /Jonas
> 

AIM Buddy List Format

[Simon Lee]

Hi All,

I am trying to find a way to automatically update the AIM Buddy List.

There is a feature in AIM to save and load the Buddy List by using the
AIM menu, My AIM/Load Buddy List... and My AIM/Save Buddy List

If I want to import my Buddy List into AIM, I could create a *.blt
file, open AIM, select MY AIM/Load Buddy List... file, and import it.

I want to find a way to automate this, i.e. a way to directly update
the AIM Buddy List without opening the AIM Application or using the
Load Buddy List...

Does anyone know when I choose Load Buddy List... in AIM, where does
AIM save the Buddy List info? Which file does it save the info to?
Where can I find the data format which the Buddy List is saved? I
tried to search the Registry but cannot find the Buddy List Info
there.

Please help. Please also send reply to my email address. My email is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thank you very very much.

Best regards,
Simon Lee
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]