Patch trouble

2002-01-10 Thread Nick Wilson

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Hi all, 
can anyone make sense of the output I'm getting when trying to use the
%_patch?

Here it is.


can't find file to patch at input line 4
Perhaps you should have used the -p or --strip option?
The text leading up to this was:
- --
|diff -durp mutt-1.3.22.1/doc/manual.sgml mutt-1.3.22.1.oe.%_.1/doc/manual.sgml
|--- mutt-1.3.22.1/doc/manual.sgml  Wed Sep  5 02:52:17 2001
|+++ mutt-1.3.22.1.oe.%_.1/doc/manual.sgml  Wed Sep  5 03:01:26 2001
- --
File to patch: 
Skip this patch? [y] 
Skipping patch.
1 out of 1 hunk ignored
patching file hdrline.c
Hunk #1 succeeded at 687 (offset 2 lines).
patching file muttlib.c
Hunk #1 succeeded at 923 (offset 12 lines).
patching file mutt.h
Hunk #1 succeeded at 127 (offset -5 lines).
can't find file to patch at input line 60
Perhaps you should have used the -p or --strip option?
The text leading up to this was:
- --
|--- mutt-0.94.7i/patchlist.c.orig  Sat Sep 19 02:29:51 1998
|+++ mutt-0.94.7i/patchlist.c   Sat Sep 19 02:54:16 1998
- --
File to patch: 
Skip this patch? [y] 
Skipping patch.
1 out of 1 hunk ignored

Buggered if I can work it out?
- -- 

Nick Wilson

Tel:+45 3325 0688
Fax:+45 3325 0677
Web:www.explodingnet.com



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Re: Move deleted messages to trash

2002-01-10 Thread Nick Wilson

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* On 11-01-02 at 08:17 
* Andreas Reinhold said

> Hi,
> 
> i'm wondering how to tell my mutt to not completely delete messages marked 
> with a "D", but move them to my trash-folder instead.
> 
> My sent messages are recorded in a "sent"-folder. I think storing deleted
> messages must be arranged in a similar way. But how? :)
> 

There's a very good patch for this, which you can get at
mutt.justpickone.org (among other places I imagine) 
It's called patch-1.3.25.cd.trash_folder.1
You must also 'set trash=~Mail/Trash (or whatever.
- -- 

Nick Wilson

Tel:+45 3325 0688
Fax:+45 3325 0677
Web:www.explodingnet.com



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Re: mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread Nick Wilson

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* On 11-01-02 at 08:17 
* Knute said

> Mines 995 lines.  It's one that I downloaded, then modified.
> It has tons of comments and whitespace in it though.
> -- 
> Knute

Well, I think mines longest so far but like Knute I downloaded and then
modified. (That's kinda like an artificial extension or implants: Just
as impressive visually but we all know they're fake!)

Weighing in at a whopping 2036 not counting aliases.

Nick Wilson

Tel:+45 3325 0688
Fax:+45 3325 0677
Web:www.explodingnet.com



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Re: fcc by recipient name to a subdir

2002-01-10 Thread Knute

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Michael Maibaum wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 11:45:20PM -0600, Knute wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:00:18PM -0500, David T-G wrote:
> > > > % called outbox/
> > > > % this seems easy enough to do if you are saving all the mail to a single
> > > > % mailbox, but is there a way to do it if you are saving to recipeint
> > > > % named mailboxes?
> > > > 
> > > > Use the %O expando (that's an oh and not a zero, mind you) as outlined in
> > > > section 6.3.80 (index_format) in a hook something like
> > > > 
> > > >   fcc-save-hook . =outbox/%O
> > > 
> > > OK, in theory, this is exactly what I want... except it doesn't work, it
> > > always saves to my name :(outbox/mike
> > > 
> > > looking at the manual, it says fcc-save-hook will match the author or
> > > the recipient, although the way it is written it looks like it is
> > > supposed to match recipients alone if you are the author (maybe?).
> > > if this is looking at both from and the to fields, then the save-hook 
> > > implicit in fcc-save-hook will overide the mailbox and put it in mike 
> > > as that is what it matches first 
> > So then set it up like this:
> > fcc-save-hook ~f. =outbox/%O
> > 
> > That should tell it to match anything in the from field.
> > (Unless I have even less of a clue as to setting these up than I think!)
> but surely I want to match To fields
> 
> well I tried that, and ~C (to match to/cc) and I get the same behavior,
> I do notice now though when I *reply* it works properly, just not when I
> compose new messages from scratch.
> 
I'm sorry,  I don't know where my mind is.
I did a search for fcc in the muttrc man page,  and there are record and
save-address options that you could look into setting, and see if one or
the other would help.


-- 
Knute

You live, You die.  Enjoy the interval!
-- Clarence



Re: Suggestion of adding some contents

2002-01-10 Thread Nicolas Rachinsky

On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 12:24:17PM +0800, Charles Jie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>user id (short form, 8 hex digits) - an key ID for your convenience
>  to specify a key for gpg, not guaranteed to be unique (non-ambiguous)
>user id (long form, 16 hex digits) - better ID but who'll use it?

These two aren't user ids but key ids.

> 2. In gpg's key listing, I see, eg.:
> 
> pub  1024D/C9C40C31 2001-05-25 Justin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> uidJustin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> uidJustin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> sub  1024g/59FAB546 2001-05-25
> 
> But what's the 'sub' entry? What's the ID in it?

It's a subkey. I think it's explained in the manual (not man page).

> 3. When I get clearer with gpg, I try to make my 'uid' more informative
>for others. But I found gpg doesn't provide good maintaining method
>to update them. You can not update uid except using adduid/deluid.
>You can not(?) change the 'preference' order of those uid's. The
>worse, I found I have no way to remove my old uid's in keyserver - they
>just accumulate. Strange gpg.

You can't do this easily, but I think there is something in the
manual.

Sorry, I don't have the manual at hand, but look at the gnupg
homepage.

Nicolas



Re: fcc by recipient name to a subdir

2002-01-10 Thread Michael Maibaum

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 11:45:20PM -0600, Knute wrote:
> tatus: RO
> Content-Length: 1638
> Lines: 49
> 
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Michael Maibaum wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:00:18PM -0500, David T-G wrote:
> > > Michael --
> > > 
> > > ...and then Michael Maibaum said...
> > > % 
> > > % Hi all,
> > > % name to the top level of my Mail dir and to please my slightly
> > > % obbsessive sense of tidieness I would like to move them to a subdir
> > > % called outbox/
> > > % this seems easy enough to do if you are saving all the mail to a single
> > > % mailbox, but is there a way to do it if you are saving to recipeint
> > > % named mailboxes?
> > > 
> > > Use the %O expando (that's an oh and not a zero, mind you) as outlined in
> > > section 6.3.80 (index_format) in a hook something like
> > > 
> > >   fcc-save-hook . =outbox/%O
> > 
> > OK, in theory, this is exactly what I want... except it doesn't work, it
> > always saves to my name :(outbox/mike
> > 
> > looking at the manual, it says fcc-save-hook will match the author or
> > the recipient, although the way it is written it looks like it is
> > supposed to match recipients alone if you are the author (maybe?).
> > if this is looking at both from and the to fields, then the save-hook 
> > implicit in fcc-save-hook will overide the mailbox and put it in mike 
> > as that is what it matches first 
> So then set it up like this:
>   fcc-save-hook ~f. =outbox/%O
> 
> That should tell it to match anything in the from field.
> (Unless I have even less of a clue as to setting these up than I think!)
but surely I want to match To fields

well I tried that, and ~C (to match to/cc) and I get the same behavior,
I do notice now though when I *reply* it works properly, just not when I
compose new messages from scratch.

thanks

Michael
-- 
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Re: fcc by recipient name to a subdir

2002-01-10 Thread Knute

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Michael Maibaum wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:00:18PM -0500, David T-G wrote:
> > Michael --
> > 
> > ...and then Michael Maibaum said...
> > % 
> > % Hi all,
> > % name to the top level of my Mail dir and to please my slightly
> > % obbsessive sense of tidieness I would like to move them to a subdir
> > % called outbox/
> > % this seems easy enough to do if you are saving all the mail to a single
> > % mailbox, but is there a way to do it if you are saving to recipeint
> > % named mailboxes?
> > 
> > Use the %O expando (that's an oh and not a zero, mind you) as outlined in
> > section 6.3.80 (index_format) in a hook something like
> > 
> >   fcc-save-hook . =outbox/%O
> 
> OK, in theory, this is exactly what I want... except it doesn't work, it
> always saves to my name :(outbox/mike
> 
> looking at the manual, it says fcc-save-hook will match the author or
> the recipient, although the way it is written it looks like it is
> supposed to match recipients alone if you are the author (maybe?).
> if this is looking at both from and the to fields, then the save-hook 
> implicit in fcc-save-hook will overide the mailbox and put it in mike 
> as that is what it matches first 
> 
> commenting out the save hook restores the saving to the correctly named
> file, just in the wrong place.
> 
> so, still confused...
> 
> Michael
> 

So then set it up like this:
fcc-save-hook ~f. =outbox/%O

That should tell it to match anything in the from field.
(Unless I have even less of a clue as to setting these up than I think!)

-- 
Knute

You live, You die.  Enjoy the interval!
-- Clarence



Re: fcc by recipient name to a subdir

2002-01-10 Thread Michael Maibaum

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:00:18PM -0500, David T-G wrote:
> Michael --
> 
> ...and then Michael Maibaum said...
> % 
> % Hi all,
> % name to the top level of my Mail dir and to please my slightly
> % obbsessive sense of tidieness I would like to move them to a subdir
> % called outbox/
> % this seems easy enough to do if you are saving all the mail to a single
> % mailbox, but is there a way to do it if you are saving to recipeint
> % named mailboxes?
> 
> Use the %O expando (that's an oh and not a zero, mind you) as outlined in
> section 6.3.80 (index_format) in a hook something like
> 
>   fcc-save-hook . =outbox/%O

OK, in theory, this is exactly what I want... except it doesn't work, it
always saves to my name :(outbox/mike

looking at the manual, it says fcc-save-hook will match the author or
the recipient, although the way it is written it looks like it is
supposed to match recipients alone if you are the author (maybe?).
if this is looking at both from and the to fields, then the save-hook 
implicit in fcc-save-hook will overide the mailbox and put it in mike 
as that is what it matches first 

commenting out the save hook restores the saving to the correctly named
file, just in the wrong place.

so, still confused...

Michael

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Re: Suggestion for List Etiquette

2002-01-10 Thread Will Yardley

Nick Croft wrote:

> As Tom Gilbert has it in his sample .muttrc:
> set indent_str="> "  # change this and I'll kill you!   ;-)

i also like the bit from the muttrc man page:

  You  are  strongly  encouraged  not  to change this
  value, as it tends to agitate  the  more  fanatical
  netizens.




Re: Suggestion for List Etiquette

2002-01-10 Thread Knute

On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Nick Croft wrote:

This is quoted text:  
This is quoted text: 
This is quoted text: * Imre Vida ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
This is quoted text: > somewhat different but related:
This is quoted text: > 
This is quoted text: > wouldn't it be better to use > as a quote-marker char
This is quoted text: > consistently?
This is quoted text: > some of the alternatives like "%" i realy dislike
This is quoted text: > 
This is quoted text: > imre
This is quoted text: > 
This is quoted text: As Tom Gilbert has it in his sample .muttrc:
This is quoted text: set indent_str="> "  # change this and I'll kill you!   ;-)
This is quoted text: 
This is quoted text:  - End forwarded message -

So what do you think?
(I think I need to put on my asbestos long john's!)

(Note,  I merely edited the message,  I didn't actually change my reply
thinggy-ma-jiggy.)  9o)

-- 
Knute

You live, You die.  Enjoy the interval!
-- Clarence



Re: Suggestion for List Etiquette

2002-01-10 Thread Knute

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote:

> Alas! Imre Vida spake thus:
> > wouldn't it be better to use > as a quote-marker char consistently?
> > some of the alternatives like "%" i realy dislike
> 
> This point has come up before. Although I personally like to use '>'
> just because I think it's a good character for quoting (it looks like an
> arrow, denoting indentation, denoting it was written by somebody else).
> 
> However, in the spirit of Unix, I take comfort in the fact that I am
> using a powerful and robust mail client that is intelligent enough to
> handle the '%' character properly, unlike some braindead mail clients
> that Windows users have been known to love...
> 
> Freedom of expression! More power to David! ;)
> 
> -- 
> Rob 'Feztaa' Park
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> --
> "Either he's dead or my watch has stopped."
>   -- Groucho Marx

Hrmmm... Maybe I should set mine up to say "This a quoted line: "

That would be good huh? 9o)

-- 
Knute

You live, You die.  Enjoy the interval!
-- Clarence



Re: char % as quote

2002-01-10 Thread Knute

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Jeremy Blosser wrote:

> On Jan 11, Cameron Simpson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> > | > set quote_regexp="^([ \t]*([>|:}#%]|[A-Z]{2,3}>))+"
> > 
> > the outer (.)+ is two things: a grouping "()" and "one or more"
> > (the "+"); 
> >   BTW this is unneeded guys since this is purely for recognising
> >   quoted lines, not matching the entire quoted marker
> > ...
> > The outer "(...)+" is superfluous in my opinion.
> 
> Mutt is able to match multiple levels of quoting if you use the ()+.  This
> is useful for coloring them different ways:
> 
> color quoted  greendefault
> color quoted1 yellow   default
> color quoted2 greendefault
> color quoted3 yellow   default

I have mine set up that way.  It's sweet!
It's also easier to follow who wrote what.

-- 
Knute

You live, You die.  Enjoy the interval!
-- Clarence



Re: char % as quote

2002-01-10 Thread Jeremy Blosser

On Jan 11, Cameron Simpson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> | > set quote_regexp="^([ \t]*([>|:}#%]|[A-Z]{2,3}>))+"
> 
>   the outer (.)+ is two things: a grouping "()" and "one or more"
>   (the "+"); 
> BTW this is unneeded guys since this is purely for recognising
> quoted lines, not matching the entire quoted marker
> ...
> The outer "(...)+" is superfluous in my opinion.

Mutt is able to match multiple levels of quoting if you use the ()+.  This
is useful for coloring them different ways:

color quoted  greendefault
color quoted1 yellow   default
color quoted2 greendefault
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Re: mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread Cameron Simpson

On 16:53 10 Jan 2002, David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| % the reason is i wasn't aware of the -1 option for ls.  am now :)  thanks
| Ah.  That's a good enough reason :-)

Should be needed because ls's output isn't going to a terminal - it
will be single column anyway, precisely because we going to a program
one almost invariably wants on name per line (and also because on the
Good Old Days ls didn't print in multiple columns anyway - that was a
new fangled idea from the BSD people).
-- 
Cameron Simpson, DoD#743[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/

Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception and apply the wire brush
of enlightenment.   - Geoff Miller, [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: char % as quote

2002-01-10 Thread Cameron Simpson

On 20:53 10 Jan 2002, Anh Lai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > * Anh Lai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-01-10 20:21]:
| > > How do I make mutt color lines starting with % as a quote just like >
| > > apparently David only uses this, and i would like to learn how to add %
| > > as a quote indicator.
| > 
| > http://mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-6.html#quote_regexp
| > 
| > from my muttrc file:
| > set quote_regexp="^([ \t]*([>|:}#%]|[A-Z]{2,3}>))+"
| > 
| great, thanks.  I dont know enough about regular expressions to even
| figure that out with the manual.

Ok:

the outer (.)+ is two things: a grouping "()" and "one or more"
(the "+"); 
  BTW this is unneeded guys since this is purely for recognising
  quoted lines, not matching the entire quoted marker

the stuff inside the outer () is:

[ \t]*  zero or more "*" spaces-or-tabs "[ \t]"
  then
([>|:}#%]|[A-Z]{2,3}>)

  which is an alternation "(...|...|...)" meaning match one of the "..." 
parts,
  containing two alternatives:

[>|:}#%]one of the characters > | : } # %
or
[A-Z]{2,3}> exactly 2 or 3 "{2,3}"
of the characters in the range A-Z,
immediately followed by the character >

So in short it's looking for some leading whitespace and then either a single
quote marker ( "> | : } # %" ) or an attribution marker like "CS>" for lines
from "Cameron Simpson".

The outer "(...)+" is superfluous in my opinion.
-- 
Cameron Simpson, DoD#743[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/

Lister: `Mr Arnold' isn't even his name. His name's `Rimmer'; or `Smeghead';
or `Dinosaur breath'; or `Molecule Mind'. And if you want to be really
mega-polite to him, Kryten -- we're talking mega-mega-polite -- on those
rare and exceptional circumstances, you can call him `Arsehole'.
- Red Dwarf, _Kryten_



Re: Why use pgp with mutt?

2002-01-10 Thread Charles Jie

Hi, Nick,

'man gpg' has a section "How to specify a user ID" giving details of it.

charlie


On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 01:28:19PM +0100, Nick Wilson wrote:
>
> Thanks Morten. I'm on the Man page as I write!
> I got confused as the key in Justins example is 10chars and mine was 8.
> Am I correct in thinking that the key id is the second part of the '
> pub' line, making yours D796A4EB?
>
> Much thanks
>



Suggestion of adding some contents

2002-01-10 Thread Charles Jie

Thank you, Justin. I've just gone thru your tutorial. It's helpful.

However, I would suggest some more info to be included, which I've tried
hard (with 'man gpg' and google search) but can not yet get a clear
picture of pgp.

Don't blame me posting this in mutt mail listing, and asking your
tutorial too much. :-)  Because mutt is the starting point that I learn
PGP. And I believe many people need some basic concepts which are hard
to find explained. (That's pretty weird!) I hope your tutorial can help
newbies like me.

1. There is a confusing set of terms for a key: user id, fingerprint,
   public key which refer to sililar/related stuff. Especially the
   various forms of specifying a user id.

   AFAIK:

   fingerprint - an ID for human eye's verification?
   public key - a file containing an unreadable value for algorithm
   user id (short form, 8 hex digits) - an key ID for your convenience
 to specify a key for gpg, not guaranteed to be unique (non-ambiguous)
   user id (long form, 16 hex digits) - better ID but who'll use it?
   user id (catenated fingerprint digits, 40) - BEST ID (I then found
 the 'short form' is the right-most 8 digits of fingerprint.
   user id (in the form of your account name, real name or email
 address) - these are just 'searchable' string for your key that gpg
 can maintain a couple of them in term of 'uid' when you run
 '$ gpg --list-keys '.

2. In gpg's key listing, I see, eg.:

pub  1024D/C9C40C31 2001-05-25 Justin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
uidJustin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
uidJustin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
sub  1024g/59FAB546 2001-05-25

But what's the 'sub' entry? What's the ID in it?
I guess the 'uid' entries are just extensions of 'pub' entry, which
contains a key ID plus a 'uid'(the 'name ' string). But it takes
me long to get it. Sign! Why don't they make a newbie's life easier?

3. When I get clearer with gpg, I try to make my 'uid' more informative
   for others. But I found gpg doesn't provide good maintaining method
   to update them. You can not update uid except using adduid/deluid.
   You can not(?) change the 'preference' order of those uid's. The
   worse, I found I have no way to remove my old uid's in keyserver - they
   just accumulate. Strange gpg.

Justin, you are a good tutor. If you can rescue, please help.

best regards,
charlie


On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 05:35:39PM -0500, Justin R. Miller wrote:
> I wrote a guide on using GnuPG with Mutt, including some of the theory
> behind how it works (in a very non-technical way).  It also features a
> link to someplace or other that explains some thoughts behind the need
> for encryption and digital signatures.  You can see it at:
>
>   http://codesorcery.net/mutt/
>
> --
> Justin R. Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> View my website at http://codesorcery.net
> Please encrypt email using key 0xC9C40C31



Re: Suggestion for List Etiquette

2002-01-10 Thread Nick Croft


* Imre Vida ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> somewhat different but related:
> 
> wouldn't it be better to use > as a quote-marker char
> consistently?
> some of the alternatives like "%" i realy dislike
> 
> imre
> 
As Tom Gilbert has it in his sample .muttrc:
set indent_str="> "  # change this and I'll kill you!   ;-)

- End forwarded message -



Re: envelope ?

2002-01-10 Thread John P Verel

There is a From: field in the email message and there is a from field
on the "envelope" wrapping the message.  They are two different things.
When mutt passes off the message to your Mail Transport Agent, e.g.
Sendmail, Sendmail prepends certain information to it: specifically the
from field, date and time, all on the first line.  Sendmail may try to
create this from field using, say, your login name and your machine
name, based on /etc/hosts.  Unfortunately, this may not be your address
with your ISP.  In some cases, this will cause you message to bounce.

Sendmail has a -f switch, documented in the Mutt manual, which forces
Sendmail to use your email From: address to be your envelope from.  

A side benefit is that you may get an additional header inserted by
sendmail that looks like this: 

X-Authentication-warning:
John.optonline.net: john set sender to [EMAIL PROTECTED] using -f

This can be fixed by changing Sendmail configurations, but, hey life is
too short already, no?

So, mutt lets you fix this problem with the envelope_from setting.  OT,
this issue is encountered elsewhere, like, for instance, slrn, where I
have to force the sendmail command to be able to forward mail from it.

HTH

John

On 01/10/02, 09:07:55AM -0800, Todd Kokoszka wrote:
> 
> > > What is the envelope_from setting and how is it
> > > different from the From: field? Does anyone know
> > where
> > > I can learn how these function?

-- 
John P. Verel
Living Proof That Low Tech Beats High Tech!



Re: Move deleted messages to trash

2002-01-10 Thread Rob 'Feztaa' Park

Alas! Andreas Reinhold spake thus:
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 07:59:59PM -0500, Justin R. Miller wrote:
> > macro pager d "=trash" "move message to trash folder"
> > macro index d "=trash" "move message to trash folder"
> > macro pager \cD "\et;=trash" "move thread to trash folder"
> > macro index \cD "\et;=trash" "move thread to trash folder"
> 
> Thanks, this really works fine!

Unless you happen to try to delete a message in the trash folder, then
things get really goofy :)

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Re: Suggestion for List Etiquette

2002-01-10 Thread Rob 'Feztaa' Park

Alas! Imre Vida spake thus:
> wouldn't it be better to use > as a quote-marker char consistently?
> some of the alternatives like "%" i realy dislike

This point has come up before. Although I personally like to use '>'
just because I think it's a good character for quoting (it looks like an
arrow, denoting indentation, denoting it was written by somebody else).

However, in the spirit of Unix, I take comfort in the fact that I am
using a powerful and robust mail client that is intelligent enough to
handle the '%' character properly, unlike some braindead mail clients
that Windows users have been known to love...

Freedom of expression! More power to David! ;)

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Re: char % as quote

2002-01-10 Thread Anh Lai

great, thanks.  I dont know enough about regular expressions to even
figure that out with the manual.

... On 01/11/02, Im Eunjea decided to write ...

> * Anh Lai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-01-10 20:21]:
> > How do I make mutt color lines starting with % as a quote just like >
> > 
> > apparently David only uses this, and i would like to learn how to add %
> > as a quote indicator.
> > 
> 
> http://mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-6.html#quote_regexp
> 
> from my muttrc file:
> set quote_regexp="^([ \t]*([>|:}#%]|[A-Z]{2,3}>))+"
> 
> 
> -- 
> Eunjea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> GnuPG fingerprint: 08C9 2D3F 91B2 D395 2EFF  4C33 544C 321C E194 91CF



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Re: char % as quote

2002-01-10 Thread Im Eunjea

* Anh Lai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-01-10 20:21]:
> How do I make mutt color lines starting with % as a quote just like >
> 
> apparently David only uses this, and i would like to learn how to add %
> as a quote indicator.
> 

http://mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-6.html#quote_regexp

from my muttrc file:
set quote_regexp="^([ \t]*([>|:}#%]|[A-Z]{2,3}>))+"


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char % as quote

2002-01-10 Thread Anh Lai

How do I make mutt color lines starting with % as a quote just like >

apparently David only uses this, and i would like to learn how to add %
as a quote indicator.

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Re: Move deleted messages to trash

2002-01-10 Thread Andreas Reinhold

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 07:59:59PM -0500, Justin R. Miller wrote:

>   macro pager d "=trash" "move message to trash folder"
>   macro index d "=trash" "move message to trash folder"
>   macro pager \cD "\et;=trash" "move thread to trash folder"
>   macro index \cD "\et;=trash" "move thread to trash folder"

Thanks, this really works fine!

cheers
Andi
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Re: Something wrong with the list?

2002-01-10 Thread Rob 'Feztaa' Park

Alas! David T-G spake thus:
> % > I too seem to be suffering from random unsubscribtions. I hate the fact
> % > that i don't get a message telling me I've been booted off, because I
> % > have to wait for a day or two without getting any messages before I
> % > realize something is fishy :)
> % 
> % It's a problem, people get un subbed when mail starts bouncing ...
> 
> Right.

Yeah, that would be a good idea if the mail was actually legitimately
bouncing.

> % If I was to send a message to the address ... it would bounce ...
> 
> Of course :-)

Sure, if the mail was actually bouncing. But it's not like my ISP takes
my email address offline for fun every couple of days. I want to know
why mutt-users unsubscribes me randomly when no other mailing lists have
this problem.

> What about the workaround of sending a probe and waiting to see if that
> bounces, perhaps having sent it after a delay?

That'd work for me.

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Re: Suggestion for List Etiquette

2002-01-10 Thread Imre Vida

somewhat different but related:

wouldn't it be better to use > as a quote-marker char
consistently?
some of the alternatives like "%" i realy dislike

imre



Re: Move deleted messages to trash

2002-01-10 Thread Justin R. Miller

Thus spake Andreas Reinhold ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> i'm wondering how to tell my mutt to not completely delete messages
> marked with a "D", but move them to my trash-folder instead.
> 
> My sent messages are recorded in a "sent"-folder. I think storing
> deleted messages must be arranged in a similar way. But how? :)

macro pager d "=trash" "move message to trash folder"
macro index d "=trash" "move message to trash folder"
macro pager \cD "\et;=trash" "move thread to trash folder"
macro index \cD "\et;=trash" "move thread to trash folder"

In addition, I have this to periodically clean the trash out.  Just
change in, poke around, and change out. 

folder-hook trash push 'D~r>3d\n\cu.\n'

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Move deleted messages to trash

2002-01-10 Thread Andreas Reinhold

Hi,

i'm wondering how to tell my mutt to not completely delete messages marked 
with a "D", but move them to my trash-folder instead.

My sent messages are recorded in a "sent"-folder. I think storing deleted
messages must be arranged in a similar way. But how? :)

cheers,
Andi
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.nose-down.de



Re: mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread Knute

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, mike ledoux wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:35:29PM -0700, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote:
> > Alas! Andreas Reinhold spake thus:
> > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:47:01PM -0500, Samuel Padgett wrote:
> > > > Wow.  You have a 462+ line .muttrc?
> > > 
> > > come on, who's got the longest? Mine ist just 192 lines. 
> > 
> > Mine appears to be 310, broken up across a few files.
> 
> Never one to not jump on a vanity thread, mine's 628 lines (and growing)
> across 25 files.  Only 30 of those lines are aliases.  :)
> 

Mines 995 lines.  It's one that I downloaded, then modified.
It has tons of comments and whitespace in it though.
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You live, You die.  Enjoy the interval!
-- Clarence



Re: mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread Gary Johnson

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:54:56PM +0100, Andreas Reinhold wrote:

> come on, who's got the longest? Mine ist just 192 lines. 

Oh, what the heck.

 85 aliases  
 66 default-display-hooks
142 fcc-save-hooks   
240 ignore   
416 muttrc-1.2.5i
-
949 total

With apologies to Jeremy.

Gary

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Re: Getting Keys From Keyserver?

2002-01-10 Thread Jeremy Blosser

On Jan 10, David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> % another one for you. Is there anyway to tell Mutt to get a public key
> % from a keyserver if I don't have it in my local keyring? Thanks in
> % advance.
> 
> Your gpg.rc file has a pgp_import_command that mutt will use to import
> keys.  Your .gnupg/options file will have a keyserver line that will tell
> gpg where to go to get keys; my options file contains
>   keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net

Well... pgp_import_command is used to import keys contained in the active
message (extract-keys function).  Getting needed keys from a keyserver is
completely a function of your pgp/gpg program... the keyserver line is all
that's needed if you're using gpg.  (Well, it works for verifying sigs
anyway... I've never tried it for encrypting.  That doesn't seem wise.)




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patch to force pgp_create_traditional on non-us-ascii mails (was: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch))

2002-01-10 Thread Viktor Rosenfeld

[CC'd to mutt-dev b/c of attached patch, I'm not on mutt-dev, so please
CC me in replies]

Cristian wrote:

> What has confused a few people is the fact that the patch is effective
> only if both pgp_outlook_compat and pgp_create_traditional are set.
> 
> > The proposal is to dump application/pgp, and make p_c_t result in
> > a plain text MIME type for clearsigned messages.
> 
> That's right. This can be achieved by integrating the patch into the
> next full release of Mutt.

No, NO, *NO*! 

pgp_outlook_compat will make a text/plain message, that is readable
properly in Outlook, but *only* *if* pgp_create_traditional succeeds.
Unfortunately p_c_t gets silently dropped for message which are not
us-ascii, i.e. most of my personal mails, since I use fancy stuff like
ä's and ö's and ü's and the like.

p_c_t and p_o_c break on iso-latin1 and on any mails with attachments,
so they are basically useless for a lot of people.

Here's a patch which creates pgp_force_traditional, which if
p_c_t is set, will always create a clear-signed PGP messages (not sure
for mails of attachments though).  That way, p_o_c can do the job it's
supposed to do.  I haven't tested it a lot since I wrote it, but it
appears to do the right thing.

Patch is against mutt-1.3.24, I'll test it tomorrow against 1.3.25, and
you need to have the pgp_outlook_compat patch applied first.

I don't know a lot about the mutt source, so this might break stuff,
haven't tested it a lot.

Cheers,
Viktor

(Should have gone to bed two hours ago.  Oh, well.)
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diff -ur mutt-1.3.24-outlook+compress/init.h mutt-1.3.24-vrr/init.h
--- mutt-1.3.24-outlook+compress/init.h Thu Jan  3 20:45:04 2002
+++ mutt-1.3.24-vrr/init.h  Thu Jan  3 20:39:56 2002
@@ -1311,6 +1311,25 @@
   ** to generate messages readable by users of MS Outlook using PGP.
   */
 
+  { "pgp_force_traditional", DT_BOOL, R_NONE, OPT_PGPFORCETRAD, 0},
+  /*
+  ** .pp
+  ** If pgp_create_traditional is defined above, this option will force
+  ** the creation of old-style PGP messages for text/plain messages, even when
+  ** the character set is different from us-ascii.
+  **
+  ** .pp
+  ** This option really only makes sense together with pgp_create_traditional
+  ** and pgp_outlook_compat; when all three are set, Outlook users will be
+  ** able to read any mail, including language-specific characters like
+  ** German umlauts, without problems.
+  **
+  ** .pp
+  ** Note, however, that using the old-style PGP message format is
+  ** \fBdeprecated\fP, and the using the old-style PGP message format with a
+  ** character set other than us-ascii might result in broken signatures.
+  */
+
   /* XXX Default values! */
   
   { "pgp_decode_command",  DT_STR, R_NONE, UL &PgpDecodeCommand, 0},
diff -ur mutt-1.3.24-outlook+compress/mutt.h mutt-1.3.24-vrr/mutt.h
--- mutt-1.3.24-outlook+compress/mutt.h Thu Jan  3 20:45:04 2002
+++ mutt-1.3.24-vrr/mutt.h  Thu Jan  3 20:30:56 2002
@@ -258,6 +258,7 @@
 #ifdef HAVE_PGP
   OPT_VERIFYSIG,  /* verify PGP signatures */
   OPT_PGPTRADITIONAL, /* create old-style PGP messages */
+  OPT_PGPFORCETRAD,   /* force old-style PGP messages even for non us-ascii */
   OPT_PGPOUTLOOK, /* Create even older broken outlook compatible messages */
 #endif
 
diff -ur mutt-1.3.24-outlook+compress/pgp.c mutt-1.3.24-vrr/pgp.c
--- mutt-1.3.24-outlook+compress/pgp.c  Thu Jan  3 20:44:59 2002
+++ mutt-1.3.24-vrr/pgp.c   Fri Jan 11 01:21:47 2002
@@ -1646,7 +1646,9 @@
 
   b = mutt_new_body ();
   
-  b->encoding = ENC7BIT;
+  b->parameter = (PARAMETER *) malloc(sizeof(PARAMETER));  
+  b->parameter = memcpy(b->parameter, a->parameter, sizeof(PARAMETER));
+  b->encoding = a->encoding;
 
   /* Outlook seems to work by scanning the message itself for PGP information, */
   /* not the headers.  If the headers are anything but text/plain, it will */
@@ -1710,7 +1712,9 @@
 
   if ((msg->content->type == TYPETEXT) &&
   !ascii_strcasecmp (msg->content->subtype, "plain") &&
-  ((flags & PGPENCRYPT) || (msg->content->content && msg->content->content->hibin 
== 0)))
+  ((flags & PGPENCRYPT) || (msg->content->content &&
+   msg->content->content->hibin == 0) ||
+   option(OPT_PGPFORCETRAD)))
   {
 if ((i = query_quadoption (OPT_PGPTRADITIONAL, _("Create an application/pgp 
message?"))) == -1)
   return -1;



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Re: strange TABs in header

2002-01-10 Thread Igor Pruchanskiy

> I suspect that it doesn't have anything to do with mutt, but I don't know
> who else to ask.  The thing is that all of a sudden all mails from a friend
> of mine (who also uses mutt) have TABs in these three header lines:
>  From:name etc
>  To:name etc
>  Date:date

I actually killed an hour last night trying to find out why my X-ddate
header was wrapping into the next line... It appeared that i had this in
my .muttrc

my_hdr X-ddate: `ddate` # Add ddate header

This space between my_hdr and the comment added all this space after the
header... 

So have your friend make sure that he does not have  between
my_hdr From: and what the header is set to in his ~/.muttrc

igor

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Re: Bold text

2002-01-10 Thread Derek D. Martin

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

At some point hitherto, Erika Pacholleck hath spake thusly:
> [07.01.02 12:35 -0600] David Champion <-- :
> > You could use enriched text. It's documented in RFC 1563:   
> > ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc1563.txt 
>  
> Hey great, thanks for the examples and especially the RFC number
> (I never learn how to find the number out quickly - yes, I know
> there is a list, but that one is really long :( ).
> Good to know, although for shortness of messages I will stick
> to simple methods.

You need this site:

  http://www.rfc-editor.org/

Happy searching!  :)

P.S. your e-mail address appears to be bouncing...  Says you don't
exist.  

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- -
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GnuPG Key ID: 0x81CFE75D
Retrieve my public key at http://pgp.mit.edu
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Re: macro usage within editor

2002-01-10 Thread Rob 'Feztaa' Park

Alas! dan radom spake thus:
> Is it possible to create a macro that can be used when composing an
> email? I like to trim my emails as much as possible, and a macro to
> send :.,$d to vi would be helpful. can that be done?

Uh, what? If you are composing your messages, any macros you have/want
will be handled by your editor (vi/vim in this case), and mutt has
nothing to do with it.

I'm confused because it seems as though you're trying to edit a message
with mutt's pager and want to pass stuff into vim... good luck on that
:)

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Re: mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread Rob 'Feztaa' Park

Alas! Andreas Reinhold spake thus:
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:47:01PM -0500, Samuel Padgett wrote:
> > Wow.  You have a 462+ line .muttrc?
> 
> come on, who's got the longest? Mine ist just 192 lines. 

Mine appears to be 310, broken up across a few files.

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Re: individual index_formats

2002-01-10 Thread Aaron Schrab

At 10:34 +0100 10 Jan 2002, Hanspeter Roth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it possible to have lines with different index_formats in the
> index? I would like to display a different date format for messages
> sent within the last 24 hours.

I have a patch that does almost that:

  http://schrab.com/aaron/mutt/patch-1.3.24.ats.date_optional.1

That should apply to pretty much any version of mutt, since it was
originally done when 0.96.6 was current.  I just recently updated it to
use the PATCHES file found in recent development versions.

With it %?[ and %?( in index_format are treated as conditionals, if the
relevant time is less than 12 hours in the past or future, the part
before the next & will be evaluated, otherwise the part between that and
the next ? is evaluated.  So, I use as my index_format:

set index_format='%4C %Z %?[?%[%H:%M]&%[%m/%d]? %-15.15F (%5l) %s'

It would be quite simple to modify it for different periods of time.

I'll also note that that index_format looks *extremely* bad with an
unpatched mutt.

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macro usage within editor

2002-01-10 Thread dan radom

Is it possible to create a macro that can be used when composing an email?  I like to 
trim my emails as much as possible, and a macro to send :.,$d to vi would be helpful.  
can that be done?

dan



Re: new user

2002-01-10 Thread Knute

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Michael Tatge wrote:

> 
> Knute muttered:
> > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Daniel & Rachel Bomsta wrote:
> > > Thanks Knute it was a bad .signature file!
> > > 
> > 
> > Well that's 2 cases now of that happening. Maybe a message could be put
> > in so that after a timeout of say 5 seconds, that it would post a
> > message saying what it is looking for.
> > Just a thought.
> 
> ???
> Can you explain that a bit more, please? What do you mean by "bad
> .signature file"? I guess, the file was corrupted?
> If I point $signature to a non-existing file the only thing that happens
> is that there won't be a signature in my message?!
> 
> Michael
> -- 
> Your job is being a professor and researcher: That's one hell of a good excuse
> for some of the brain-damages of minix.
> (Linus Torvalds to Andrew Tanenbaum)
> 
> PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
In my case,  I had set up a signature rotating program... sigrot I
think...  That was along time ago,  and simply forgot about it with
everything else going on.

I remembered having that,  so I decided to set up a signature file, and
see if that would take care of it.  And it did.
-- 
Knute

You live, You die.  Enjoy the interval!
-- Clarence



Re: new user

2002-01-10 Thread Michael Tatge

Knute muttered:
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Daniel & Rachel Bomsta wrote:
> > Thanks Knute it was a bad .signature file!
> > 
> 
> Well that's 2 cases now of that happening. Maybe a message could be put
> in so that after a timeout of say 5 seconds, that it would post a
> message saying what it is looking for.
> Just a thought.

???
Can you explain that a bit more, please? What do you mean by "bad
.signature file"? I guess, the file was corrupted?
If I point $signature to a non-existing file the only thing that happens
is that there won't be a signature in my message?!

Michael
-- 
Your job is being a professor and researcher: That's one hell of a good excuse
for some of the brain-damages of minix.
(Linus Torvalds to Andrew Tanenbaum)

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accented characters

2002-01-10 Thread Will Yardley

there was some discussion a couple weeks ago about typing accented
characters in X etc., and a couple other people agreed that it was hard
to find an english language document on setting this up.

so just thought i'd post this link, which i found helpful.

http://www.sober.com/content/accented_characters.html

hope that helps someone else out.

and i'm excited to finally have a use for that damn 'windows' key :>

w



Re: fetching mail (re-visited)

2002-01-10 Thread Michael Tatge

Nick Wilson muttered:
> 
> * On 10-01-02 at 21:09 
> * David T-G said
> 
> > 
> > Modify $check_interval and $timeout appropriately.
> > 
> 
> .er, I can only find $check_new and that's for Maildir boxes?

It's called $mail_check

HTH,

Michael
-- 
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(Unknown source)

PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key



Re: Getting Keys From Keyserver?

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Ben --

...and then Benjamin Pharr said...
% 
% Thanks to everyone who helped me on my previous question. Now I have

Sure thing.


% another one for you. Is there anyway to tell Mutt to get a public key from a 
keyserver if I don't have it in my local keyring? Thanks in advance.

Yes.

Oh, you want to know how to do it? ;-)

Your gpg.rc file has a pgp_import_command that mutt will use to import
keys.  Your .gnupg/options file will have a keyserver line that will tell
gpg where to go to get keys; my options file contains

  keyserver wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net
  #keyserver wwwkeys.us.pgp.net
  #keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net
  #keyserver certserver.pgp.com
  #keyserver pgp.ai.mit.edu
  #keyserver keyserver.net
  #keyserver search.keyserver.net

but AFAIK only one can be active so I only have the first one
uncommented.


% 
% Ben Pharr
% 

HTH & HAND


:-D
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Re: mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread Andreas Reinhold

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:47:01PM -0500, Samuel Padgett wrote:

> Wow.  You have a 462+ line .muttrc?

come on, who's got the longest? Mine ist just 192 lines. 
Anyone got a Viagra-Script to offer? :)

cheers,
andi
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Dan --

...and then dan radom said...
% 
% the reason is i wasn't aware of the -1 option for ls.  am now :)  thanks

Ah.  That's a good enough reason :-)

HAND


:-D
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Re: mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Sam --

...and then Samuel Padgett said...
% 
% David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
% 
% > Anywhere.  Mine happens to be on line 462.
% 
% Wow.  You have a 462+ line .muttrc?

Better than that -- the whole thing is 501 :-)  It could use some trimming
of default stuff (cutting down) but some better commenting (filling up)
but some splitting into subfiles (cutting down).


% 
% Sam [who's impressed]

*grin*


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Re: mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread Samuel Padgett

David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Anywhere.  Mine happens to be on line 462.

Wow.  You have a 462+ line .muttrc?

Sam [who's impressed]



Getting Keys From Keyserver?

2002-01-10 Thread Benjamin Pharr

Thanks to everyone who helped me on my previous question. Now I have
another one for you. Is there anyway to tell Mutt to get a public key from a keyserver 
if I don't have it in my local keyring? Thanks in advance.

Ben Pharr





Re: mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread dan radom

the reason is i wasn't aware of the -1 option for ls.  am now :)  thanks

> Just curious...  Is there any reason that you're using
> 
>   ls -l | awk
> 
> instead of a simple
> 
>   ls -1



Re: mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Dan --

...and then dan radom said...
% 
% mailboxes `ls -l /home/graffix/mail/* |awk '{print $9}' |egrep -v '(gz|drafts|sent)' 
| tr '\012' ' '`
% 
% I uswe the above to catch everything in my mail directory with the exception of 
drafts, sent and anything that's been archived (gzipd).

Just curious...  Is there any reason that you're using

  ls -l | awk

instead of a simple

  ls -1

to build your list?  The -1 shouldn't really be necessary, even, since
you're piping to an egrep, but it ensures that you'll get your output in
a column and isn't a bad idea -- and, more importantly, doesn't waste the
time on a process like awk and thus isn't a burden.


% 
% dan

HTH & HAND


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Re: new user

2002-01-10 Thread Knute

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Daniel & Rachel Bomsta wrote:

> 
> Thanks Knute it was a bad .signature file!
> 
> Dan

Well that's 2 cases now of that happening.  Maybe a message could be put
in so that after a timeout of say 5 seconds,  that it would post a
message saying what it is looking for.
Just a thought.

I'm glad that I could help.

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Re: mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Nick --

...and then Nick Wilson said...
% 
% * On 10-01-02 at 21:48 
% * David T-G said
% 
% > % I've been reading about the 'mailboxes' command used to specify which
% > % files recieve mail. I *really* need to be using it but can't work out
% > % the syntax.
% > % Two of my mailboxes as examples look like this...
% > % 
% > % ~Mail/Lists/mutt-users
% > % ~Mail/Lists/procmail
% > % 
% > % Would someone please give me an example of it's usage?
% > 
% > How about
% > 
% >   mailboxes `echo $HOME/Mail/Lists/*`
% > 
% > for you?
% 
% Okay, do I put that line in my rc?

Anywhere.  Mine happens to be on line 462.


% -- 
% 
% Nick Wilson

HTH & HAND


% 
% Tel:  +45 3325 0688
% Fax:  +45 3325 0677
% Web:  www.explodingnet.com
% 


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Re: new user

2002-01-10 Thread Daniel & Rachel Bomsta

Thanks Knute it was a bad .signature file!

Dan

On Thursday 10 January 2002 10:53 am, you wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Nick Wilson wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> >
> > * On 10-01-02 at 17:30
> > * Daniel & Rachel Bomsta said
> >
> > > I am a relatively new user to mutt ( about 2 months ).  I have a recent
> > > problem with mutt-1.3.24.  When I compose a message I get the To:
> > > prompt and enter the address, then I get the Subject: prompt and can
> > > enter a subject, I hit enter and mutt is frozen.  I must kill it and I
> > > am still not able to compose a message.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> >
> > Yeah, mutt is probably trying to invoke/run something that is not doing
> > what it should. With me it was the editor being set to 'vim' not 'vi'
> > (RedHat weirdity) and this fella knute's mutt was looking for a
> > signiture that didn't exist.
> >
> > Time to sift through that .muttrc!
> > - --
>
> The signature thing wasn't in the muttrc though.  I'm still not sure
> where it is located.  And I've checked most of the files in my home
> directory.
>
> And I know that it isn't a global setting because I've reloaded / twice
> since it was set that way.



Re: mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread dan radom

mailboxes `ls -l /home/graffix/mail/* |awk '{print $9}' |egrep -v '(gz|drafts|sent)' | 
tr '\012' ' '`

I uswe the above to catch everything in my mail directory with the exception of 
drafts, sent and anything that's been archived (gzipd).

dan

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> Hi there
> I've been reading about the 'mailboxes' command used to specify which
> files recieve mail. I *really* need to be using it but can't work out
> the syntax.
> 
> Two of my mailboxes as examples look like this...
> 
> ~Mail/Lists/mutt-users
> ~Mail/Lists/procmail
> 
> Would someone please give me an example of it's usage?
> 
> Thanks a lot
> - -- 
> 
> Nick Wilson
> 
> Tel:  +45 3325 0688
> Fax:  +45 3325 0677
> Web:  www.explodingnet.com
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Re: mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread Nick Wilson

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* On 10-01-02 at 21:48 
* David T-G said

> % I've been reading about the 'mailboxes' command used to specify which
> % files recieve mail. I *really* need to be using it but can't work out
> % the syntax.
> % Two of my mailboxes as examples look like this...
> % 
> % ~Mail/Lists/mutt-users
> % ~Mail/Lists/procmail
> % 
> % Would someone please give me an example of it's usage?
> 
> How about
> 
>   mailboxes `echo $HOME/Mail/Lists/*`
> 
> for you?

Okay, do I put that line in my rc?


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Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?

2002-01-10 Thread Knute

On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Charles Jie wrote:

> 7. It takes no hard work to prepare man page but it's a big convenience.
>Without it, I need to run "$ rpm -ql getmail" to find out the right
>document every time, and then copy and paste to run "less" to check it.
>Do you have a better approach to do it?

Have you tried  "rpm -ql getmail > getmail.txt"?
It may just put it into a text file for you.
It's only a guess as I haven't used rpm in ages myself. 8o)
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Re: individual index_formats

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Hanspeter --

...and then Hanspeter Roth said...
% 
% On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 08:14:10AM -0700, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote:
% > 
% > I know, pine is not very robust, but I'm pretty sure if you configure it
...
% 
% It took me to long to search for certain features in pine. I don't
% want to learn too many programs at once. Thus I have to set
% priorities. 

Understandable.  You'd only want to spend the time on the most worthwhile
programs, too.


% For me very importand are thread-sorting and tagging/deleting
% multiple messages with the same subject. It took me too long to find
% that in pine. So I gave up.

I trust you've answered all of those questions for mutt.


% Maybe once when I think I can't explore anymore usefull in mutt, I
% might look at pine.

Many here would grin widely at that and tell you the day will never come!


% 
% -Hanspeter


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Re: Something wrong with the list?

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Steve --

...and then Steve Kennedy said...
% 
% On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 12:46:03PM -0700, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote:
% 
% > I too seem to be suffering from random unsubscribtions. I hate the fact
% > that i don't get a message telling me I've been booted off, because I
% > have to wait for a day or two without getting any messages before I
% > realize something is fishy :)
% 
% It's a problem, people get un subbed when mail starts bouncing ...

Right.


% 
% If I was to send a message to the address ... it would bounce ...

Of course :-)

What about the workaround of sending a probe and waiting to see if that
bounces, perhaps having sent it after a delay?


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Re: mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Nick --

...and then Nick Wilson said...
% 
% Hi there

Hello!


% I've been reading about the 'mailboxes' command used to specify which
% files recieve mail. I *really* need to be using it but can't work out
% the syntax.

Here's how mine looks:

  mailboxes $MAIL `echo $HOME/Mail/F.*`

I have $MAIL set to $HOME/Mailbox, where I get mail.  You could use !
instead, since that part is not something that mutt would ask the shell
to parse.


% 
% Two of my mailboxes as examples look like this...
% 
% ~Mail/Lists/mutt-users
% ~Mail/Lists/procmail
% 
% Would someone please give me an example of it's usage?

How about

  mailboxes `echo $HOME/Mail/Lists/*`

for you?


% 
% Thanks a lot

HTH & HAND


% -- 
% 
% Nick Wilson
% 
% Tel:  +45 3325 0688
% Fax:  +45 3325 0677
% Web:  www.explodingnet.com
% 


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Re: custom message-id generation with Mutt?

2002-01-10 Thread Michael Tatge

Michael Elkins muttered:
> Mutt currently doesn't allow you to specify the format of the message-id
> field, other than your setting of $host.

You should be able to tweak that at MTA level. Rewriting will be your
friend.

HTH,

Michael
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Re: fetching mail (re-visited)

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Nick --

...and then Nick Wilson said...
% 
% 
% * On 10-01-02 at 21:09 
% * David T-G said
% 
% > Modify $check_interval and $timeout appropriately.
% 
% .er, I can only find $check_new and that's for Maildir boxes?

Sorry; that's $mail_check :-)


% 
% -- 
% 
% Nick Wilson

HTH & HAND


% 
% Tel:  +45 3325 0688
% Fax:  +45 3325 0677
% Web:  www.explodingnet.com
% 


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Re: fetching mail (re-visited)

2002-01-10 Thread Nick Wilson

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* On 10-01-02 at 21:09 
* David T-G said

> 
> Modify $check_interval and $timeout appropriately.
> 

.er, I can only find $check_new and that's for Maildir boxes?



- -- 

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Re: How to insert utf8 characters in mutt?

2002-01-10 Thread Walt Mankowski

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:09:19PM +0100, Stephan Seitz wrote:
> I'm using mutt 1.3.25i in an utf8-xterm. Within my editor (vim) I can
> insert any utf8 characters with "ctrl-v u ".
> But how do I such thing within mutt (e.g. the subject)?

You could try adding

set edit_headers

to your .muttrc and edit the subject inside vim.

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Re: fetching mail (re-visited)

2002-01-10 Thread Nick Wilson

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* On 10-01-02 at 21:09 
* David T-G said

> % I think this might have been covered recently.
> 
> It was :-)
> 
> % 
> % Mutt only updates my mailboxes when I hit a key.
> % What do I need to do to change that?
> 
> Modify $check_interval and $timeout appropriately.
> 
I remember now! Thanks.

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mailboxes command confusion.

2002-01-10 Thread Nick Wilson

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Hi there
I've been reading about the 'mailboxes' command used to specify which
files recieve mail. I *really* need to be using it but can't work out
the syntax.

Two of my mailboxes as examples look like this...

~Mail/Lists/mutt-users
~Mail/Lists/procmail

Would someone please give me an example of it's usage?

Thanks a lot
- -- 

Nick Wilson

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Fax:+45 3325 0677
Web:www.explodingnet.com



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Re: fetching mail (re-visited)

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Nick --

...and then Nick Wilson said...
% 
% I think this might have been covered recently.

It was :-)


% 
% Mutt only updates my mailboxes when I hit a key.
% What do I need to do to change that?

Modify $check_interval and $timeout appropriately.


% 
% Much thanks

HTH & HAND


% -- 
% 
% Nick Wilson
% 
% Tel:  +45 3325 0688
% Fax:  +45 3325 0677
% Web:  www.explodingnet.com
% 


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Re: send-hook ~t and autoedit

2002-01-10 Thread Michael Elkins

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 07:50:25PM +0100, Hanspeter Roth wrote:
> I already tried this. It seems only to be effective at the To:
> prompt at the initial send-menu if autoedit is unset.
> But it seems to have no effect in the compose menu.

It's because there is a chicken-and-egg problem.  send-hook changes settings
apropos to the generation of the reply/forward, such as whether to include
the message, its encoding, etc.  Unless you specify the addresses prior to
editing the message, Mutt can't go back and alter the message according to
the settings you want.



Re: Something wrong with the list?

2002-01-10 Thread Steve Kennedy

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 12:46:03PM -0700, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote:

> I too seem to be suffering from random unsubscribtions. I hate the fact
> that i don't get a message telling me I've been booted off, because I
> have to wait for a day or two without getting any messages before I
> realize something is fishy :)

It's a problem, people get un subbed when mail starts bouncing ...

If I was to send a message to the address ... it would bounce ...

I guess I could set-up a "bounce" list, and if anyone got removed
for bouncing, they get auto-added to that one ... but then that
would only send a warning out infrequently, and you'd have to
manually remove yourself from it.

Steve

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Re: individual index_formats

2002-01-10 Thread Rob 'Feztaa' Park

Alas! Hanspeter Roth spake thus:
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 08:14:10AM -0700, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote:
> > I know, pine is not very robust, but I'm pretty sure if you configure it
> > properly, it can display the time the message arrived if it arrived
> > today, the day of the week it arrived if it arrived less than a week
> > ago, and the full date otherwise.
> 
> It took me to long to search for certain features in pine. I
> don't want to learn too many programs at once. Thus I have to
> set priorities. For me very importand are thread-sorting and
> tagging/deleting multiple messages with the same subject. It took me
> too long to find that in pine. So I gave up. Maybe once when I think I

I don't think pine can do the tagging stuff.

> can't explore anymore usefull in mutt, I might look at pine.

Don't bother, pine is not as useful as mutt :)

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Re: Something wrong with the list?

2002-01-10 Thread Rob 'Feztaa' Park

Alas! Gerhard Siegesmund spake thus:
> Hello Mutt-Users
> 
> There seems to be something wrong with the list today. I didn't get one
> mail from the list today although there seem to be several mails posted as I
> see on the archiv. Anything wrong with my subscription? Or just a
> problem with the web?

I too seem to be suffering from random unsubscribtions. I hate the fact
that i don't get a message telling me I've been booted off, because I
have to wait for a day or two without getting any messages before I
realize something is fishy :)

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understand is, if they don't know who you are, how do they know who
your dentist is?"
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fetching mail (re-visited)

2002-01-10 Thread Nick Wilson

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I think this might have been covered recently.

Mutt only updates my mailboxes when I hit a key.
What do I need to do to change that?

Much thanks
- -- 

Nick Wilson

Tel:+45 3325 0688
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Re: fcc by recipient name to a subdir

2002-01-10 Thread Nick Wilson

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* On 10-01-02 at 20:30 
* David T-G said...

> % > to save everything in "the original save folder name" under outbox.  I
> % > find O'Shaughnessy Evans's %_ patch to force lower casing handy, since it
> % > seems that %O will try to write to UserName instead of username if it is
> % > so capitalized in the headers.
> % 
> % That patch seems like a neat idea, where can I get it? I checked Davids
> % 'build cocktail' but couldn't see it.
> 
> It's there, though you may not recognize it:
> Getting a percent into a URL is unnecessary ugly, so it was never
> distributed that way.

Great, thanks very much!


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Re: Bold text

2002-01-10 Thread Rob 'Feztaa' Park

Alas! Erika Pacholleck spake thus:
> (I never learn how to find the number out quickly - yes, I know
> there is a list, but that one is really long :( ).

Do a google search for something like "RFC database", and you should
find a search engine for RFCs, which is very handy.

In fact, the way things are going with Google, I wouldn't be surprised
if they made their own RFC search :)

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Re: fcc by recipient name to a subdir

2002-01-10 Thread Nick Wilson

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* On 10-01-02 at 20:32 
* David T-G said

> % I must be missing the point :)
> 
> Yes and no.

Well in for me that's a definate improvement!


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Re: send-hook ~t and autoedit

2002-01-10 Thread Hanspeter Roth

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 09:13:07AM -0600, Knute wrote:
> 
> Try this:
>   send-hook . 'set record=+sent'


I already tried this. It seems only to be effective at the To:
prompt at the initial send-menu if autoedit is unset.
But it seems to have no effect in the compose menu.
Aliases are reevaluated in the compose menu however.

-Hanspeter



Re: individual index_formats

2002-01-10 Thread Hanspeter Roth

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 08:14:10AM -0700, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote:
> 
> I know, pine is not very robust, but I'm pretty sure if you configure it
> properly, it can display the time the message arrived if it arrived
> today, the day of the week it arrived if it arrived less than a week
> ago, and the full date otherwise.

It took me to long to search for certain features in pine. I don't
want to learn too many programs at once. Thus I have to set
priorities. 
For me very importand are thread-sorting and tagging/deleting
multiple messages with the same subject. It took me too long to find
that in pine. So I gave up.
Maybe once when I think I can't explore anymore usefull in mutt, I
might look at pine.

-Hanspeter



Re: [OT] Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?

2002-01-10 Thread Charles Cazabon

I apologize for this being offtopic, but as the author of getmail, I can't let
the following misinformation go uncorrected.

Charles Jie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 1. My getmail.log gives:
> 
>  Aborting... (command "/usr/bin/maildrop ~/.maildroprc" returned 19200
>  (maildrop: signal 0x06))

Maildrop is dying because it's receiving signal #6.  Not getmail's fault.

> 2. My maildrop now looks OK and saves message to given mbox. The problem
>is that getmail doesn't remove message in POP server. I'll get a copy
>of the same message each time I run getmail.

getmail refuses to delete the message because the local delivery failed.  The
alternative is to risk losing mail, and I won't let that happen.

> 3. getmail also fails to fetch mail if the destination mbox doesn't
>exist. Thus I can not let mutt remove the empty mbox file when all
>messages are deleted.
[...]
> 6. Futher, getmail doesn't mention the restriction of point 3.

Sure it does.  It's answered in the FAQ, under "I've configured getmail to
deliver to my mbox file, but it won't do it. Why?".

> 7. It takes no hard work to prepare man page but it's a big convenience.

Fine.  You do the work, then.  I already write the documentation in another
format.

> thanks, (and sorry to post getmail's question here. I regard such filter
> function as a part of Using Mutt.)

Don't send getmail questions to the mutt list, please.  It's offtopic and
annoys everyone.  getmail has its own mailing list, mentioned several times in
the documentation.

Charles
-- 
---
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Re: fcc by recipient name to a subdir

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Nick --

...and then Nick Wilson said...
% 
% * On 10-01-02 at 18:18 
% * Sven Guckes said
% 
% > * Michael Maibaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020110 16:37]:
% > > Stimulated by recent threads on organisation, I want to save
...
% > > this seems easy enough to do if you are saving all the mail
% > > to a single mailbox, but is there a way to do it if you are
% > > saving to recipeint named mailboxes?
% > 
% >   my_hdr "Fcc: /dir/outbox"
% 
% Won't that just create a custom header? 

1) Yes, it will, but the fcc: header is another way to specify the fcc.
Since I have edit_hdrs turned on, sometimes I specify the outbox right
there.

2) Unfortunately, this will put all messages in the single file outbox,
which is what Michael mentioned but not what he wanted to do; you still
need %O here.


% I must be missing the point :)

Yes and no.


% -- 
% 
% Nick Wilson

HTH & HAND


% 
% Tel:  +45 3325 0688
% Fax:  +45 3325 0677
% Web:  www.explodingnet.com
% 


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Re: fcc by recipient name to a subdir

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Nick, at al --

...and then Nick Wilson said...
% 
% * On 10-01-02 at 20:05 
% * David T-G said
% 
% > % Stimulated by recent threads on organisation, I want to save the fcc
% > % copies of my outgoing mail to a subdir. At present they are saved by
% > 
% > *grin*  It's contagious, isn't it?
% 
% Oh yeah!

*grin*


% 
...
% > Use the %O expando (that's an oh and not a zero, mind you) as outlined in
% > section 6.3.80 (index_format) in a hook something like
% > 
% >   fcc-save-hook . =outbox/%O
% 
% Ahh... at last. Just what I need to!

Good deal.


% 
% > to save everything in "the original save folder name" under outbox.  I
% > find O'Shaughnessy Evans's %_ patch to force lower casing handy, since it
% > seems that %O will try to write to UserName instead of username if it is
% > so capitalized in the headers.
% 
% That patch seems like a neat idea, where can I get it? I checked Davids
% 'build cocktail' but couldn't see it.

It's there, though you may not recognize it:

  [zero] [2:19pm] ~>  lynx mutt.justpickone.org/mutt-build-cocktail

 Index of /mutt-build-cocktail (p1 of 2)

   Index of /mutt-build-cocktail
  
  NameLast modified   Size  Description

  
   [DIR]  Parent Directory09-Dec-2001 07:31  -
   [TXT]  00-READ-ME  06-Dec-2001 07:23 1k
  ...
   [TXT]  patch-0.94.12.oe.__...> 06-Sep-2001 01:32 3k

Getting a percent into a URL is unnecessary ugly, so it was never
distributed that way.


% 
% 
% -- 
% 
% Nick Wilson

HTH & HAND


% 
% Tel:  +45 3325 0688
% Fax:  +45 3325 0677
% Web:  www.explodingnet.com
% 


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Re: mutt patches (was "Re: to_chars question")

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Pat --

...and then MuttER said...
% 
% On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 01:31:45AM -0800, Will Yardley wrote:
% > 
% > i use a patch from:
% > 
% > http://home.uchicago.edu/~dgc/mutt/#attach
...
% 
% This should be considered for incorporation as an included
% feature/option/whatever.

Lots of feature patches are floating around out there (just surf over to 

  http://mutt.justpickone.org/mutt-build-cocktail/

to see the ones I use) but don't get included in the main mutt
distribution because they're not considered important enough to be
worth their weight in additional code.  One thing that has been at the
core of mutt's philosophy has been keeping the program tight and clean
and unbloated.

I created my cocktail page because I like that list of patches and wanted
to offer it to anyone who might enjoy it but might not enjoy making the
patches all work together (which I don't particularly enjoy, either, but I
really like my cocktail features :-)  There is a "clean" directory where
known-good versions are stored; all you have to do is grab the tar file,
extract it, and run configure and make to have the patched version of
mutt ready for your system.  The version under mutt-x.y.z on the cocktail
page is my working copy and may or may not be in any state to download :-)


% -- 
% Pat Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535
%   Registered at: http://counter.li.org


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Re: fcc by recipient name to a subdir

2002-01-10 Thread Nick Wilson

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* On 10-01-02 at 18:18 
* Sven Guckes said

> * Michael Maibaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020110 16:37]:
> > Stimulated by recent threads on organisation, I want to save
> > the fcc copies of my outgoing mail to a subdir. At present
> > they are saved by name to the top level of my Mail dir and
> > to please my slightly obbsessive sense of tidieness I would
> > like to move them to a subdir called outbox/
> > 
> > this seems easy enough to do if you are saving all the mail
> > to a single mailbox, but is there a way to do it if you are
> > saving to recipeint named mailboxes?
> 
>   my_hdr "Fcc: /dir/outbox"

Won't that just create a custom header? 
I must be missing the point :)
- -- 

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Fax:+45 3325 0677
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Re: fcc by recipient name to a subdir

2002-01-10 Thread Nick Wilson

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* On 10-01-02 at 20:05 
* David T-G said

> % Stimulated by recent threads on organisation, I want to save the fcc
> % copies of my outgoing mail to a subdir. At present they are saved by
> 
> *grin*  It's contagious, isn't it?

Oh yeah!

> % 
> % this seems easy enough to do if you are saving all the mail to a single
> % mailbox, but is there a way to do it if you are saving to recipeint
> % named mailboxes?
> 
> Use the %O expando (that's an oh and not a zero, mind you) as outlined in
> section 6.3.80 (index_format) in a hook something like
> 
>   fcc-save-hook . =outbox/%O

Ahh... at last. Just what I need to!

> to save everything in "the original save folder name" under outbox.  I
> find O'Shaughnessy Evans's %_ patch to force lower casing handy, since it
> seems that %O will try to write to UserName instead of username if it is
> so capitalized in the headers.

That patch seems like a neat idea, where can I get it? I checked Davids
'build cocktail' but couldn't see it.


- -- 

Nick Wilson

Tel:+45 3325 0688
Fax:+45 3325 0677
Web:www.explodingnet.com



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Re: individual index_formats

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Hanspeter --

...and then Hanspeter Roth said...
% 
% Is it possible to have lines with different index_formats in the

Not as currently designed.  The best you can probably do is change your
colors to something that highlights your target messages.  I don't know,
however, what would happen to the colors when a message tips over the
time threshold; you might have to apply the color command periodically to
keep the display updated.


% index? I would like to display a different date format for messages
% sent within the last 24 hours.

Neat idea.  You could use a Maildir "name" with a cron job that checks
every minute and moves mail out to a Maildir "name-old" if it's over a
day old, I suppose ;-)


HTH & HAND

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Re: using wildcards in "mailboxes"

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Maciej --

...and then Maciej Kalisiak said...
% 
% Is it possible to use wildcards in the "mailboxes" command? I have

If you want to use wildcards, you can only use shell-level shortcuts.
The shell does not know what '=' means, so the command fails.  Now, if
you had a symlink called =lists in your home dir (where you presumably
start mutt) and had it pointing to $HOME/Mail/lists (or wherever =lists
points in a mutt context), then it should work just fine...  Similarly,
you could start mutt in your $HOME/Mail dir and leave off the =, or
create a symlink = that points to the current directory, for another way
to get around it.

Most people just change the mailboxes line to something the shell can
parse :-)


HTH & HAND

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Re: Something wrong with the list?

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Gerhard --

...and then Gerhard Siegesmund said...
% 
% Hello Mutt-Users

Hello!


% 
% There seems to be something wrong with the list today. I didn't get one
% mail from the list today although there seem to be several mails posted as I
% see on the archiv. Anything wrong with my subscription? Or just a
% problem with the web?

I imagine that you have been quietly unsubscribed because of some glitch.
As I understand it, the list software watches for so many bounces before
deciding that you must really be gone, but the list gets enough traffic
that the threshold is reached before whatever random hole in the 'net
gets fixed and your mail gets to you again.

There was one time when it was hitting me so often that I contemplated
setting up a cron job to resubscribe myself every day, but that would
have been rude and the problem fixed itself anyway :-)

Try signing up again, and welcome back :-)


% 
% -- 
% cu
%   --== Jerri ==--
% Homepage: http://www.jerri.de/   ICQ: 54160208


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Re: fcc by recipient name to a subdir

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Michael --

...and then Michael Maibaum said...
% 
% Hi all,

Hello!


% 
% Stimulated by recent threads on organisation, I want to save the fcc
% copies of my outgoing mail to a subdir. At present they are saved by

*grin*  It's contagious, isn't it?


% name to the top level of my Mail dir and to please my slightly
% obbsessive sense of tidieness I would like to move them to a subdir
% called outbox/

Easy enough.


% 
% this seems easy enough to do if you are saving all the mail to a single
% mailbox, but is there a way to do it if you are saving to recipeint
% named mailboxes?

Use the %O expando (that's an oh and not a zero, mind you) as outlined in
section 6.3.80 (index_format) in a hook something like

  fcc-save-hook . =outbox/%O

to save everything in "the original save folder name" under outbox.  I
find O'Shaughnessy Evans's %_ patch to force lower casing handy, since it
seems that %O will try to write to UserName instead of username if it is
so capitalized in the headers.


% 
% many thanks

HTH & HAND


% 
% Michael
% -- 
% Dr Michael A. Maibaum - (W)+1 (415) 561 1682 - (H)+1 (415) 626 6733
% <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.gene-hacker.net/main/index.php>


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Re: From Header, and other questions

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Ben --

...and then Benjamin Pharr said...
% 
% I am fairly new to Mutt, but I have RTFM and done a Google search, so

Welcome!


...
% First of all, I have several different e-mail addresses I use for
% different purpose. Is there a "right" way to switch between "From"
% addresses? 

To send a new message with a specified address, use a send-hook to run a
my_hdr command to set your From: header.


% 
% Also, I have this in my .muttrc:
% 
% set reverse_name = yes
% set reverse_realname = yes
% 
% , but Mutt doesn't seem to be honoring it. For instance, when I have an

You need to be sure $alternates is set up correctly.  Yours would
probably look about like

  set alternates="ben(|-lists)@benpharr.com"

if you only have these two addresses.


% e-mail come in to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I reply to it, [EMAIL PROTECTED] is put 
in the From header. I want the e-mail address that it was sent to to be used in the 
reply.

Yep.  That needs $alternates.


% 
% Finally, I get lots of signed messages off the Debian lists, so I have
% automatic verification turned off. Now I can't figure out how to
% manually verify a message. I did it once, but I don't remember how.

I think Nicolas's macro is probably the best answer here, though you might
be able to verify without opening the message for reading (untested).


% 
% If anyone can help me with any of this, I would appreciate it. Thanks!

HTH & HAND


% 
% Ben Pharr
% 


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Re: s/S index flag and check-traditional-pgp

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Rene --

...and then Rene Clerc said...
% 
% * David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [09-01-2002 17:40]:
% 
% | % The clearsigned messages (like yours, Derek), show up with nothing in
% | % front in the message index; when I verify them using P, the
% | % signature is verified, and an 's' shows up: so no 'S' appears.
% | 
% | Make sure that the signature is being verified when you hit esc-P, 'cuz I
% | thought it didn't until you opened the message (once it was recognizable
% | as a PGP message).
% 
% I did; after opening and verifying, pager shows the message exactly
% the same as a PGP/Mime signed message.

Good enough.  I read your message to say that you got an 'S' as soon as
you hit esc-P rather than after you opened the message.


% 
% -- 
% René Clerc  - ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
% 
% I am a little man and this is a little town but there must be a spark
% in a little man that can burst into flame.
% -John Steinbeck


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Re: application/pgp breaks Pine, too (was: applying pgp-outlook patch)

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Jeremy, et al --

...and then Jeremy Blosser said...
% 
% On Jan 09, David T-G [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
% > ...and then Jeremy Blosser said...
% > % So have any of you guys filed this as an actual bug against mutt yet?
...
% > Or at least I figured that "someone else would do it", particularly since
% > I didn't start the thread.  Someone ought to raise a hand and go ahead...
% 
% Someone posted it to mutt-dev I think but the "tracking" word in "bug
% tracking system" is kind of the operative part.

Right.

Having not seen anything on this, and having not heard anyone else say
"whoa, that would break Eudora" or whatnot, I will submit the flea.  So
there.


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mutt-1.3.25i: $pgp_create_traditional creates application/pgp instead of text/plain messages

2002-01-10 Thread David T-G

Package: mutt
Version: 1.3.25i
Severity: important

-- Please type your report below this line

The typical PGP message is encapsulated with its signature in PGP-MIME
format.  Many mail programs cannot handle that and, although its use is
not encouraged, mutt now includes a $pgp_create_traditional variable to
sign messages "in-line" instead of with a MIME-attached signature.

This is not sufficient for many mail programs, including (but not limited
to) MS Outlook and PINE.  To provide the text/plain format required
by those mailers, Shane Wegener created his pgp-outlook patch with a
$pgp_outlook_compat variable which, when set, formats the message
correctly.

The behavior of $pgp_create_traditional should be changed to match that
when $pgp_outlook_compat is set -- the message will be in text/plain
format instead of application/pgp format.


:-D

-- Build environment information

(Note: This is the build environment installed on the system
muttbug is run on.  Information may or may not match the environment
used to build mutt.)

- gcc version information
gcc
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/2.95.1/specs
gcc version 2.95.1 19990816 (release)

- CFLAGS
-Wall -pedantic -O6 -mpentiumpro -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2

-- Mutt Version Information

Mutt 1.3.25i (2002-01-01)
Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins and others.
Mutt comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `mutt -vv'.
Mutt is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; type `mutt -vv' for details.

System: Linux 2.4.5 (i686) [using ncurses 5.0]
Compile options:
-DOMAIN
+DEBUG
+HOMESPOOL  -USE_SETGID  +USE_DOTLOCK  +DL_STANDALONE  
+USE_FCNTL  -USE_FLOCK
+USE_POP  +USE_IMAP  -USE_GSS  -USE_SSL  -USE_SASL  
+HAVE_REGCOMP  -USE_GNU_REGEX  
+HAVE_COLOR  +HAVE_START_COLOR  +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD  +HAVE_BKGDSET  
+HAVE_CURS_SET  +HAVE_META  +HAVE_RESIZETERM  
+HAVE_PGP  -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS  -SUN_ATTACHMENT  
+ENABLE_NLS  -LOCALES_HACK  +COMPRESSED  +HAVE_WC_FUNCS  +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET  
++HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR  
+HAVE_ICONV  -ICONV_NONTRANS  +HAVE_GETSID  +HAVE_GETADDRINFO  
ISPELL="/usr/bin/ispell"
SENDMAIL="/usr/sbin/sendmail"
MAILPATH="Mailbox"
PKGDATADIR="/home/davidtg/local/share/mutt"
SYSCONFDIR="/home/davidtg/local/etc"
EXECSHELL="/bin/sh"
-MIXMASTER
To contact the developers, please mail to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
To report a bug, please use the flea(1) utility.

  Patches I have applied (I find this non-standard list helpful)

  Feature patch: patch-1.3.25.rr.compressed.1 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-0.00.sec.patchlist.8.1.dtg (dtg)
  Feature patch: %_   0.94.12 by O'Shaughnessy Evans
  Feature patch: reverse-reply0.95.4 by Stefan `Sec` Zehl (+ hb)
  Feature patch: patch-1.1.1.hb.save_alias.1 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.bj.hash_destroy.1 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.bj.my_hdr_subject.1 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.bj.noquote_hdr_term.1 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.bj.status-time.1-dtg (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.bj.current_shortcut.1 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.xlabel_ext.4 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.deepif.1 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.attach.2 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.markmsg.2 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.unbind.1 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.dgc.isalias.1 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.2.mha.resend-fcc.1 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.25.cd.edit_threads.9.1 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.24.cd.trash_folder.1 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.2609.mg.hdrcolor.1 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.15.sw.pgp-outlook.1 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.2.nr.tag_prefix_cond (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.23.ats.mark_old-1.3.23+cvs-1.diff (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.25i.devl.narrow_tree.1 (dtg)
  Feature patch: patch-1.3.25.dw.pgp-hook (dtg)




Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?

2002-01-10 Thread Roman Neuhauser

> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:39:54 +0800
> From: Charles Jie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Mutt Mail-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?
> 
> Thanks, Roman.
> 
> 1. My getmail.log gives:
> 
>  Aborting... (command "/usr/bin/maildrop ~/.maildroprc" returned 19200
>  (maildrop: signal 0x06))
> 
>  $getmail gives sth similar:
> 
>   msg #1 : len 998 ... retrievedfailed to process message list for
>   "charlesjie" (command "/usr/bin/maildrop ~/.maildroprc" returned 19200
>   (maildrop: signal 0x06))
>   Resetting connection and aborting...
> 
> 2. My maildrop now looks OK and saves message to given mbox. The problem
>is that getmail doesn't remove message in POP server. I'll get a copy
>of the same message each time I run getmail.

So it works now? Was the problem just the getmail rpm?

As to your question: getmail *does* remove retrieved messages from
the server just fine. I don't know if it's the default behavior, but
you can certainly get it with

delete = 1

in your .getmailrc
   
> 
> 3. getmail also fails to fetch mail if the destination mbox doesn't
>exist. Thus I can not let mutt remove the empty mbox file when all
>messages are deleted.

Yes. This is clearly stated in the docs... Or was it the source?
Anyway, I don't see how this could be a problem given that you
have getmail deliver to maildrop?
 
> 4. My getmail is 2.1.9, while maildrop is 1.3.4.
>The broken getmail rpm from Mandrake 8.1 is 2.1.5. I'll send it to
>you in another mail. It misses ALL the python modules.

As I already wrote in a separate message, I don't know what good it
is to send rpm files. But let's get over it.
 
> 7. It takes no hard work to prepare man page but it's a big convenience.

Well, you have to *maintain* it: keep it up to date. And that's
worse.

>Without it, I need to run "$ rpm -ql getmail" to find out the right
>document every time, and then copy and paste to run "less" to check it.
>Do you have a better approach to do it?

> cd /usr/share/doc/getmail-2.1.9 && ls
   
(or wherever the docs get stored on a Mandrake box)
 
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Re: returning to inbox (..ish)

2002-01-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Being an emacs lover, I've got 

macro index "\Cf\Cj" "{imapserver}Inbox"

You could easiloy put in /var/mail/foo

steven

On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:05:34AM +0100, Nick Wilson wrote:
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> Mornin' all
> When I hit 'c' and navigate to a mailbox, how do I get back to
> /var/spool/mail/nick? It's an awfully painfull task to navigate right up
> to the spool again. I usually restart mutt, but this surely isn't right?
> 
> Much thanks
> - -- 
> 
> Nick Wilson
> 
> Tel:  +45 3325 0688
> Fax:  +45 3325 0677
> Web:  www.explodingnet.com
> 
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Re: Possible to get the mail fetched by getmail filtered?

2002-01-10 Thread Charles Jie

Thanks, Roman.

1. My getmail.log gives:

 Aborting... (command "/usr/bin/maildrop ~/.maildroprc" returned 19200
 (maildrop: signal 0x06))

 $getmail gives sth similar:

  msg #1 : len 998 ... retrievedfailed to process message list for
  "charlesjie" (command "/usr/bin/maildrop ~/.maildroprc" returned 19200
  (maildrop: signal 0x06))
  Resetting connection and aborting...

2. My maildrop now looks OK and saves message to given mbox. The problem
   is that getmail doesn't remove message in POP server. I'll get a copy
   of the same message each time I run getmail.

3. getmail also fails to fetch mail if the destination mbox doesn't
   exist. Thus I can not let mutt remove the empty mbox file when all
   messages are deleted.

4. My getmail is 2.1.9, while maildrop is 1.3.4.
   The broken getmail rpm from Mandrake 8.1 is 2.1.5. I'll send it to
   you in another mail. It misses ALL the python modules.

5. About getmail documentation, I agree the author did work hard and
   write much. I just happen to need sth not sufficiently covered.
   To have a filter, I can only find an instance throughtout the
   mentioned documents -

   postmaster = |/path/to/command

   that's all. No syntax description about such case.

   When I try to add arguments to the command, I've got to try out:

   postmaster = |/usr/bin/procmail -Y -t  (wrong)
   postmaster = "|/usr/bin/procmail -Y -t" (correct)

6. Futher, getmail doesn't mention the restriction of point 3.

7. It takes no hard work to prepare man page but it's a big convenience.
   Without it, I need to run "$ rpm -ql getmail" to find out the right
   document every time, and then copy and paste to run "less" to check it.
   Do you have a better approach to do it?

thanks, (and sorry to post getmail's question here. I regard such filter
function as a part of Using Mutt.)

charlie


On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 05:07:03PM +0100, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
> > I've tried procmail and maildrop to go with getmail but all failed. I
> > believe they should be able to work someday when I have enough hard work
> > on them. :)
> >
> > Report:
> > 2. maildrop returns (-1) while I set for getmail:
> >
> >postmaster = "|/usr/bin/maildrop ~/.maildroprc"
> >
> >(The .maildroprc contains stuff like Roman's.)
>
> Interesting. I suggest you to enable logging in both getmail and
> maildrop, tail -f both logfiles, and get some mail.
> Also, it'd be nice if you provided version numbers. I'm no maildrop
> hacker, but Charles wrote getmail, and a version number could
> probably help.
>
> > 3. getmail doesn't have enough documentation at this moment:
>
> I dare to disagree:
>
> share/doc/getmail/CHANGELOG
> share/doc/getmail/docs.txt
> share/doc/getmail/faq.txt
> share/doc/getmail/getmail.txt
> share/examples/getmail/getmailrc-example
>
> >   a. no man page
>
> While man page would be really nice IMO, Charles
> expressed he was not interested in maintaining it. That said, the
> tarball *does* have enough docs IMO.
>
> >   b. the rpm package comes with Mandrake 8.1 is broken. It misses a (at
> >  least) python module. I replace it with a D/L one.
>
> You should bug the package's maintainer. The FreeBSD port I
> installed Getmail from didn't give me any trouble. And again, not
> enough info: *what* Python module?
>
>
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Re: envelope ?

2002-01-10 Thread Michael Elkins

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On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 11:18:16AM -0600, Knute wrote:
> My understanding may be flawed, but it's the same as using an envelope
> to mail a letter via snail mail.
> It's the information that is needed to get it from your mail client to it's
> reciepient.

This is basically correct.  The From: line is analagous to the address on
the inside of a business letter--it need not correspond to who actually sent
it.  The envelope header is the actual sender.  Sometimes it is necessary to
set this so that the sender's local SMTP server will not think you are
attempting to relay spam.

me
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Re: envelope ?

2002-01-10 Thread Curt Zirzow

* Todd Kokoszka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I found the entry for envelope_from, but that doesn't
> tell me what an envelope is or does and how that's
> different from a From: field. The only thing I know is
> that when I include envelope_from, more of mail gets
> to where I want it to. I'm trying to figure out what
> an envelope is and why it exists. Then I can figure
> out what else I should know about mutt and mail.
> 

I would suggest reading up on rfc2821 section 3.
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2821.html

Your envelope is established by sending: 
MAIL FROM: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
RCPT TO: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Curt
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Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked
something.



Re: Display index in mutt

2002-01-10 Thread budsz

On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 04:35:12PM +0100, Hanspeter Roth wrote:
>On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 10:26:51PM +0700, budsz wrote:
>Have you tried:
>
>- set sort=threads
>
>- set sort=reverse-threads

OK...thankx

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Re: new user

2002-01-10 Thread Knute

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Nick Wilson wrote:

> * On 10-01-02 at 17:58 
> * Knute said
> 
> > The signature thing wasn't in the muttrc though.  I'm still not sure
> > where it is located.  And I've checked most of the files in my home
> > directory.
> > 
> > And I know that it isn't a global setting because I've reloaded / twice
> > since it was set that way.
> > 
> 
> Weird, Not sure about that.
> It's almost as weird that we must have both been posting at the same
> time on this thread :)
> - -- 
> 
> Nick Wilson

That it is! :)

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You live, You die.  Enjoy the interval!
-- Clarence



Re: envelope ?

2002-01-10 Thread Knute

On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Todd Kokoszka wrote:

> 
> 
> > > What is the envelope_from setting and how is it
> > > different from the From: field? Does anyone know
> > where
> > > I can learn how these function?
> > 
> > It is documented in the manual (section 6.3.43 in
> > the manual for Mutt 1.3.25).
> 
> I found the entry for envelope_from, but that doesn't
> tell me what an envelope is or does and how that's
> different from a From: field. The only thing I know is
> that when I include envelope_from, more of mail gets
> to where I want it to. I'm trying to figure out what
> an envelope is and why it exists. Then I can figure
> out what else I should know about mutt and mail.
> 

My understanding may be flawed, but it's the same as using an envelope
to mail a letter via snail mail.
It's the information that is needed to get it from your mail client to it's
reciepient.

-- 
Knute

You live, You die.  Enjoy the interval!
-- Clarence



Re: fcc by recipient name to a subdir

2002-01-10 Thread Sven Guckes

* Michael Maibaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020110 16:37]:
> Stimulated by recent threads on organisation, I want to save
> the fcc copies of my outgoing mail to a subdir. At present
> they are saved by name to the top level of my Mail dir and
> to please my slightly obbsessive sense of tidieness I would
> like to move them to a subdir called outbox/
> 
> this seems easy enough to do if you are saving all the mail
> to a single mailbox, but is there a way to do it if you are
> saving to recipeint named mailboxes?

  my_hdr "Fcc: /dir/outbox"

Sven

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