Re: how to change subscription?

2020-09-02 Thread Fred Smith
On Wed, Sep 02, 2020 at 09:29:29AM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 02, 2020 at 12:16:14PM -0400, Fred Smith wrote:
> >mails to mailing-list-requ...@mutt.org bounce back as undeliverable.
> 
> The "mailing-list" part should have the actual list substituted.
> For example for mutt-users, you need to send the email to
> .
> 
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Oh DUH!!

Works a lot better if I do it the right way. Thanks!

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how to change subscription?

2020-09-02 Thread Fred Smith
mails to mailing-list-requ...@mutt.org bounce back as undeliverable.

I want to change the email it is going to, so I'd appreciat some pointers!

This is the mail system at host silver.osuosl.org.

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For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.

If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
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   The mail system

: host ash.osuosl.org[140.211.166.34] 
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User
unknown in virtual alias table (in reply to RCPT TO command)

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Final-Recipient: rfc822; mailing-list-requ...@mutt.org
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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 11:46:07 -0400
    From: Fred Smith 
To: mailing-list-requ...@mutt.org
Subject: password
X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15)
X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by 
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11:46:08 -0400 (EDT)




Thanks in advance

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Re: oddity with an attachment

2020-04-17 Thread Fred Smith
On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 04:45:37PM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 08:53:56AM +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> >However, it _would_ be nice if mutt could be told to look for this
> >stuff in places beyond the standard, even as a a special "save
> >filename (or this other filename decoded from a guess)".
> 
> Try setting $rfc2047_parameters.

Yup, that does it.

Thanks!



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oddity with an attachment

2020-04-17 Thread Fred Smith
Hi!

Odd thing with an attachment, can someone advise?

My wife send me mail from aol.com with an attachment. when I received the
mail the attachment's filename was gibberish, NOT what she viewed
when she sent it:

Content-Type: application/pdf
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
 
filename="=?utf-8?B?Q09WSUQxOV9OZXdzbGV0dGVyX1Nlbmlvcl9DZW50ZXJfT3BlcmF0aW9uLnBkZg==?="
Content-ID: 

When viewed in mutt (with "v") it was that same name (though truncated).
when saved to disk it retained that weird name.

I had her resend it to my gmail account where it showed the correct
human-readable name.

Is there something I can do in mutt to deal with attachments with
garbled names? (I'm gussing it's mime--or other--encoded and Mutt didn't
decode it for me.)

Thanks in advance!

Fred

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Re: Going GUI...er

2020-04-05 Thread Fred Smith
On Sun, Apr 05, 2020 at 12:45:09PM -0700, Felix Finch wrote:
> On 20200405, Akkana Peck wrote:
> >Is there any way to configure mutt to alert me at the top of the
> >message if there are any text/calendar or image/* attachments
> >anywhere in the message, even as part of a multipart/alternative?
> >I feel like I miss a lot in mail messages because mutt doesn't tell
> >me about attachments.
> 
> I wonder if the number of attachments could be shown in the index?

I don't know about the number, but it IS possible to show a flag
in the index indicating the presence of one or more attachments...

I set mine that way, but don't remember how. I'll take a quick
gander at my muttrc and maybe it'll jump out at me...

# the default format
#set index_format="%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15L (%?l?%4l&%4c?) %s"
# this one shows attachments
#set index_format="%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15L %?X?{%2X}&%4c? %s"
set index_format="%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-20.20L %?X?^&%4c? %s"

OK, that last one is what sets the attachment indicator. Looks like
it is the "^&" out near the end.

Prolly a good idea to look it up in the mutt doc before butchering
yours, though.

Fred

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Re: Going GUI...er

2020-04-04 Thread Fred Smith
On Sat, Apr 04, 2020 at 07:18:42PM +0200, steve wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Le 04-04-2020, à 09:41:59 +0200, Vegard Svanberg a écrit :
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >I love Mutt.
> 
> Me too.
> 
> >However, I'm increasingly finding myself having to resort to various
> >tricks to deal with HTML only emails (with picture attachments),
> >calendar invites, and other oddities and awkward stuff people send.
> 
> I can display images, read pdf's, etc… but one thing I never managed to do is
> open an html file containing images. I mean, I can send the html part to
> firefox but the images don't follow.
> 
> How do you guys cope with that?
> 
> Thx

When God invented email, He intended that it be plain text! :)
As such, rich-text/html/images in email is the spawn of the devil. :) :)

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Re: Simple Colors?

2020-02-24 Thread Fred Smith
On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 08:40:52AM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 24Feb2020 13:55, Paul Gilmartin  wrote:
> >With my failing eyes, I'd like everything high contrast,
> >mostly black on white.
> 
> What's the natural colour scheme of your terminal?
> 
> >When I do in .mutt/muttrc
> >color normal black white
> >... I seem to get black on gray.
> 
> Odd. What about other colours than "white", as a test?
> 
> >When I do:
> >color normal white black
> >... I get white (or maybe gray) on black.
> 
> What if you switch out "white" for "default"?

just a wild guess... try "brightwhite" ??

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Re: clearing flags on all mails in a mailbox?

2020-01-23 Thread Fred Smith
On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 11:08:21AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Fred Smith  [01-21-20 10:59]:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I've got a mailbox with quite a few msgs in it, some I've never read but
> > don't want to delete. All those now  have a status flag of "O", so if I
> > enter that mailbox when there are no "N" messages in it, mutt goes to the
> > first "O" mail.
> > 
> > One way I can think of to solve this is to clear all the flags, since in 
> > this case I don't care aobut the flags value.
> > 
> > It looks as if Mutt has facilities that could be used for that, but I
> > haven't figured out how to apply them.
> > 
> > Can someone show me how to do that?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> 
> tag all of the "O" flagged msgs
>  "T" will tag a pattern, invoke in directory view, capitol T
>  pattern would be: ~O
>  invoke action "W" on tagged, :W
>  "W" clears flag 
> 
> issue clear-flag for the tagged msgs

Patrick, thanks for the hints. Worked like a charm!

Fred

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Re: clearing flags on all mails in a mailbox?

2020-01-23 Thread Fred Smith
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 08:47:02AM -0600, Marty Buchaus wrote:
> Default mapping woudl be
> 
> Tag the messages you want to work on.

Yes, I coulda done that but there were A WHOLE LOT of them so I figured
Mutt had a faster way to do it.

Another poster showed me how to do a tag-pattern, which made it easier
to do.

> 
> then hit ;  to act on all tagged messages
> 
> then W  you should see  Clear flag? (D/N/O/r/*/!):
> 
> 
> if you hit w it would be the reverse  (set flag)
> 
> Marty
> 
> On 01/21/20 11:14 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> >* Patrick Shanahan  [01-21-20 11:09]:
> >>* Fred Smith  [01-21-20 10:59]:
> >>>I've got a mailbox with quite a few msgs in it, some I've never read but
> >>>don't want to delete. All those now  have a status flag of "O", so if I
> >>>enter that mailbox when there are no "N" messages in it, mutt goes to the
> >>>first "O" mail.
> >>>One way I can think of to solve this is to clear all the flags, since in
> >>>this case I don't care aobut the flags value.
> >>>It looks as if Mutt has facilities that could be used for that, but I
> >>>haven't figured out how to apply them.
> >>>Can someone show me how to do that?
> >>>Thanks in advance.
> >>tag all of the "O" flagged msgs
> >>"T" will tag a pattern, invoke in directory view, capitol T
> >>pattern would be: ~O
> >>invoke action "W" on tagged, :W
> >>"W" clears flag
> >>issue clear-flag for the tagged msgs
> >two lines beginning with "invoke action" s/b belowe "issue clear-flag" ...
> >clear as muddd  :)
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clearing flags on all mails in a mailbox?

2020-01-21 Thread Fred Smith
Hi!

I've got a mailbox with quite a few msgs in it, some I've never read but
don't want to delete. All those now  have a status flag of "O", so if I
enter that mailbox when there are no "N" messages in it, mutt goes to the
first "O" mail.

One way I can think of to solve this is to clear all the flags, since in 
this case I don't care aobut the flags value.

It looks as if Mutt has facilities that could be used for that, but I
haven't figured out how to apply them.

Can someone show me how to do that?

Thanks in advance.

Fred

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text vs html

2019-07-09 Thread Fred Smith
Hi all!

I'm seeing this strange thing which while no biggie, is a nuisance.

If I get an email with both text and html sections, according to
my /etc/mailcap it seems to be getting processed like this:

text/html; lynx -dump -vikeys -raw %s; copiousoutput; nametemplate=%s.html

So, when someone sends email from outlook that contains a smiley face,
it displays a "J" when viewing that mail. (apparently because outlook
encodes a font change to some other font where "J" is a smiley face.)

it seems to be following this recipe and decoding the html part even
though there is a perfectly readable text part, containing a :-).

does the order of statements in mailcap matter? should I change this:


text/html; lynx -dump -vikeys -raw %s; copiousoutput; nametemplate=%s.html
text/plain; copiousoutput

to this:

text/plain; copiousoutput
text/html; lynx -dump -vikeys -raw %s; copiousoutput; nametemplate=%s.html

Or is th is problem just because Outlook is broken and instead of
issuing a font change should just embed the proper Unicode character?

Thanks in advance!

Fred
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Re: Mailing list status

2018-03-13 Thread Fred Smith
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 03:05:47PM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 02:39:47PM -0700, Kevin J. McCarthy wrote:
> > OSUOSL is making some adjustments to the lists right now (to fix the
> > errant http://mutt.org/mailman) links.  I think they have accidentally
> > goofed up the list ids and headers in the process.  I've let them know
> > about the problem - sorry for the confusion.
> 
> Replying to myself to check the headers.  Please pardon the noise.

well, FWIW, I just happened to have set procmail to use a header
that (so far) remains intact, so (again, so far) I'm golden:

# mutt-users
:0:
* ^TOmutt-users
| $FORMAIL -A"X-procmail: Mutt-Users" >>$HOME/Mail/mutt-users

# mutt-announce
:0:
* ^TOmutt-announce
| $FORMAIL -A"X-procmail: Mutt-Users" >>$HOME/Mail/mutt-users



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Re: any conversion worries?

2018-01-17 Thread Fred Smith
On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 04:39:37PM -0500, ant wrote:
>   i'm switching to a newer machine (at last) in the
> near future.
> 
>   so going from 32 to 64 bit based system.
> 
>   does mutt do anything different with messages and
> file system layout or encoding?
> 
>   i'm not doing any encryption or anything other than 
> storing files in the Maildir directories/subdirectories.
> 
>   my guess is that all should be ok, but figured i
> could ask the experts.  :)

Not in my experience!

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Re: sendmail in background?

2017-06-09 Thread Fred Smith
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 04:42:42AM +0800, Yubin Ruan wrote:
> Hi mutt users,
> 
> Hmm...do any of you have any solution for sending emails in background
> without hanging up your mutt? I am getting annoyed by the delay coming with
> mutt's default smtp. I would like to have a sendmail script that would queue
> up my all my emails from mutt and send it at proper time and if it fails, it
> will notify me with a failure status or failure messages. 
> 
> Currently I have a msmtp set up, with its .msmtprc like this:
> 
> account default 
> host smtp.gmail.com
> from 
> auth on
> port 587
> user 
> password 
> protocol smtp
> logfile ~/.msmtp.log
> tls on
> tls_starttls on
> tls_nocertcheck
> 
> and my .muttrc like this:
> 
> set sendmail="/usr/bin/msmtp"
> # don't wait for msmtp to complete. Let it run at background
> set sendmail_wait=-1
> 
> But there some problems with this solution:
> 
> 1. the "sendmail_wait=-1" doesn't seems work?
> 2. when I cutt off my network connection, mutt cannot sendmail anymore.
> It just hang up there infinitely and I have to Ctrl-C... 
> 
> Any suggestion?

my .muttrc contains this:

#set sendmail="/usr/sbin/sendmail -oem -ob"
set sendmail_wait=-1

While I am now using a full-time connection (cable modem) years ago
I was on a dialup system, and I don't think I've changed those settings
since then, and it all just magically worked.

I certainly don't get long delays when sending mail from mutt. It
seems to just queue them up, though sending a mail from mutt also seems
to trigger sendmail to connect and send, mutt doesn't make me wait
while it does that.

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Re: saved or deleted?

2016-08-29 Thread Fred Smith
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 02:06:34PM -0500, Will Fiveash wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 02:33:01PM -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote:
> > The message index shows a "D" when a message has been
> > deleted or when it has been saved.  Is there a way
> > to distinguish which of the two operations (delete
> > or save) has been performed?
> 
> I wrote a small patch (attached) to provide a '$' indication in the
> index for messages that have been successfully saved or copied.  It
> exists in a separate column from the deletion indicator.

So, I'm wondering... with your patch is the message actually deleted
from the folder it was copied from, or does it stay there with a $
flag, forever?

> 
> -- 
> Will Fiveash

> # HG changeset patch
> # User Will Fiveash 
> # Date 1355163234 21600
> #  Mon Dec 10 12:13:54 2012 -0600
> # Node ID 5edf55351321d7dc1e132ae0352f305f835c205a
> # Parent  3834da0c024e61f9855e36c9fbbdd9fa578f4b14
> my save indication patch
> 
> diff --git a/commands.c b/commands.c
> --- a/commands.c
> +++ b/commands.c
> @@ -713,6 +713,8 @@
>  
>if ((rc = mutt_append_message (ctx, Context, h, cmflags, chflags)) != 0)
>  return rc;
> +  else
> +mutt_set_flag (Context, h, MUTT_APPENDED, 1);
>  
>if (delete)
>{
> diff --git a/curs_main.c b/curs_main.c
> --- a/curs_main.c
> +++ b/curs_main.c
> @@ -1539,7 +1539,7 @@
>  (op == OP_DECRYPT_SAVE) || (op == 
> OP_DECRYPT_COPY) ||
>  0,
>  &menu->redraw) == 0 &&
> -  (op == OP_SAVE || op == OP_DECODE_SAVE || op == OP_DECRYPT_SAVE)
> +  (op == OP_SAVE || op == OP_DECODE_SAVE || op == OP_COPY_MESSAGE || 
> op == OP_DECRYPT_SAVE)
>   )
>   {
> if (tag)
> diff --git a/doc/manual.xml.head b/doc/manual.xml.head
> --- a/doc/manual.xml.head
> +++ b/doc/manual.xml.head
> @@ -719,6 +719,7 @@
>  smessage is signed
>  !message is flagged
>  *message is tagged
> +$message was successfully appended to another 
> folder
>  nthread contains new messages (only if 
> collapsed)
>  othread contains old messages (only if 
> collapsed)
>  
> diff --git a/flags.c b/flags.c
> --- a/flags.c
> +++ b/flags.c
> @@ -223,6 +223,13 @@
>}
>break;
>  
> +case MUTT_APPENDED:
> +
> +  if (bf) {
> +   h->appended = 1;
> +  }
> +  break;
> +
>  case MUTT_FLAG:
>  
>if (!mutt_bit_isset(ctx->rights,MUTT_ACL_WRITE))
> diff --git a/hdrline.c b/hdrline.c
> --- a/hdrline.c
> +++ b/hdrline.c
> @@ -670,13 +670,14 @@
>  ch = 'K';
>  
>snprintf (buf2, sizeof (buf2),
> - "%c%c%c", (THREAD_NEW ? 'n' : (THREAD_OLD ? 'o' : 
> + "%c%c%c%c", (THREAD_NEW ? 'n' : (THREAD_OLD ? 'o' : 
>   ((hdr->read && (ctx && ctx->msgnotreadyet != hdr->msgno))
>   ? (hdr->replied ? 'r' : ' ') : (hdr->old ? 'O' : 'N',
>   hdr->deleted ? 'D' : (hdr->attach_del ? 'd' : ch),
>   hdr->tagged ? '*' :
>   (hdr->flagged ? '!' :
> -  (Tochars && ((i = mutt_user_is_recipient (hdr)) < mutt_strlen 
> (Tochars)) ? Tochars[i] : ' ')));
> +  (Tochars && ((i = mutt_user_is_recipient (hdr)) < mutt_strlen 
> (Tochars)) ? Tochars[i] : ' ')),
> + hdr->appended ? '$' : ' ');
>mutt_format_s (dest, destlen, prefix, buf2);
>break;
>  
> diff --git a/mutt.h b/mutt.h
> --- a/mutt.h
> +++ b/mutt.h
> @@ -190,6 +190,7 @@
>MUTT_EXPIRED,
>MUTT_SUPERSEDED,
>MUTT_TRASH,
> +  MUTT_APPENDED,
>  
>/* actions for mutt_pattern_comp/mutt_pattern_exec */
>MUTT_AND,
> @@ -738,6 +739,7 @@
>unsigned int expired : 1;  /* already expired? */
>unsigned int superseded : 1;   /* got superseded? */
>unsigned int replied : 1;
> +  unsigned int appended : 1;
>unsigned int subject_changed : 1;  /* used for threading */
>unsigned int threaded : 1; /* used for threading */
>unsigned int display_subject : 1;  /* used for threading */
> diff --git a/pager.c b/pager.c
> --- a/pager.c
> +++ b/pager.c
> @@ -2681,6 +2681,7 @@
>  (ch == OP_DECRYPT_SAVE) || (ch == 
> OP_DECRYPT_COPY) ||
>  0,
>  &redraw) == 0 && (ch == OP_SAVE || ch == 
> OP_DECODE_SAVE
> +  || ch == OP_COPY_MESSAGE
>|| ch == OP_DECRYPT_SAVE
>))
>   {




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Re: How do you survive without notmuch?

2016-04-07 Thread Fred Smith
On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 08:56:33AM +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 07Apr2016 19:53, Andreas  wrote:
> >Am 07.04.2016 um 01:19 schrieb Cameron Simpson:
> >>Usually when I reach for notmuch it is because I have mismanaged my
> >>folders.  Hmm, that message about blah isn't there - where is it?
> >
> >Me too and while it does find the message it does not tell me /where/ it
> >is. How do you do this?
> 
> Fair question. No idea. I cheat and copy the found message to where
> I expected it to be, if I feel the need.
> 
> If notmuch makes symlinks in its results folder (haven't checked)
> one could examine the symlink. If hard links, it is a little
> trickier, requiring a find using the inode number I suppose. Does
> notmuch have a reporting mode ("where are the messages" rather than
> "here are the messages")?
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> Cheers,
> Cameron Simpson 

well, to answer the OP, I've never before heard of notmuch, so I've
never missed it!


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  Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government there will be no end. He 
 will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding
  it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever."
--- Isaiah 9:7 (niv) --


Re: How to send a pre-written full email with mutt's built-in smtp

2016-04-02 Thread Fred Smith
On Sun, Apr 03, 2016 at 12:09:02AM +0100, Larry Hynes wrote:
> Sat 02 Apr 2016 18:30 (-0400) Xu Wang :
> >On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Larry Hynes  wrote:
> >>Sat 02 Apr 2016 15:23 (-0400) Xu Wang :
> >>
> >>>On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Larry Hynes  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>Sat 02 Apr 2016 12:02 (-0400) Xu Wang :
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 2:23 AM, Will Yardley
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>On Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 01:19:12AM -0400, Xu Wang wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Suppose that I have a full email (i.e. with headers and everything).
> >>>>>>>e.g. I want to keep the message ID the same. How can I used mutt's
> >>>>>>>build-in smtp to send the email? Basically i want mutt to just send
> >>>>>>>the email that is already written and not change any header.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You can use 'bounce-message' (I think b with default bindings) to
> >>>>>>redirect the message to one or more recipients, though Mutt will add a
> >>>>>>few headers, most starting with 'Resent-' (Message-ID will stay the
> >>>>>>same).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You can use 'resend-message' (esc-e) to use the current message as a
> >>>>>>template for the new one, but Message-ID will change.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Thank you, Will. is there any way to send from command-line? For
> >>>>>example, I have a file like following:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Have you tried using mutt's '-H' option? e.g. `mutt -H draftfile`
> >>>>You will find it documented in the man page.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Thank you for reply.
> >>>
> >>>That is great but I would like automation. I would like something like
> >>>mutt -s "Test from mutt" exam...@notsure.com < email_file
> >>>but something that works with just
> >>>mutt < email_file
> >>>and nothing else (because the subject and email address are already
> >>>specified).
> >>
> >>
> >>echo | mutt -H email_file
> >
> >That works! How does that work? From what I understand, that means
> >that an empty line is piped to mutt -H email_file. How does mutt know
> >to interpret that? Is this documented anywhere?
> 
> cat email_file | mutt -H -
> 
> will also work. I assume mutt recognises when input is from stdin and does not
> behave interactively but that's just a lazy theory of mine.

In that case, then this ought to work too (not tested), and it avoids the
"useless use of cat":

mutt -H - < email_file

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Re: some attachments disappearing

2015-12-26 Thread Fred Smith
On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 10:28:50AM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 26Dec2015 15:20, Fred Smith  wrote:
> >This problem has been going on for some time, but it has lately become an
> >irritant:
> >some emails in which photos or other images are sent arrive here with no
> >such item, neither attached, nor inline.
> >
> >I haven't been able to reproduce it by sending myself emails from my office,
> >or gmail, etc, so I don't know what is funny about those emails.
> >
> >If I ask the sender to resend that mail to my gmail (or office) account, the
> >image is there.
> 
> Is this reliable? You can get the sender to send the message to
> gmail and it is intact, and you can ask them to send it again to
> your mutt address and it is always lacking the attachments? I mean
> here that the behaviour is always the same for a given message -
> good at gmail and bad on initial receipt in mutt and also bad again
> on a resend to your mutt address.

Next time I see it, I'll ask the sender to resend to both addresses 
in a single session and see what happens.

> 
> >I am using milter to run clamav on incoming and outgoing emails but that is a
> >rather recent addition (loast 6 months, more or less) and the problem has
> >long-preceded that change.
> 
> Can you outline your mail receipt process? (Eg fetchmail -> procmail
> -> folder or suchlike?)

sendmail ==> procmail ==> spambayes
and if it passes spambayes,
procmail ==> mail folder.

and as I said earlier, sendmail-milter runs clamav on it too.

> 
> >I'm using Mutt 1.5.21 on Centos-7.
> 
> One way to eliminate (or confirm) mutt might be to inspect the
> actual message file with "less" or something - is it bad in the mail
> folder, before mutt goes anywhere near it?

doesn't look like a bad email, though I don't know what it would
have looked like if the image had come through.

> 
> Have you inspected the message headers of a bad message? If the
> attachments are being stripped by something this action is often
> noted with a header line.

I've not noted anything funky in the headers.

> 
> Final thought: might these messages simply have an href to some
> _external_ image, by URL? Then it wouldn't be an attachement, and
> gmail might still show it inline.

hmm. dunno.

I recall one from Dec 5 that was resent to my gmail address. 
I could see nothing in it that looked like the image he was trying
to send, at the time. Just went and looked at it tonight and the
image is attached and I can view it (by viewing attachments and
highlighting the image file and hitting return).

So, either I'm losing my mind, or, well, maybe I'm losing my mind.
I'll keep my eyes open for another instance and try to gather better
information, then I'll post something here.
> 
> Have you an example message you're prepared to share with the list?

apparently not. thought I did, but as stated above it looks fine today.
go figger.


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some attachments disappearing

2015-12-26 Thread Fred Smith
Hi all!

This problem has been going on for some time, but it has lately become an 
irritant:

some emails in which photos or other images are sent arrive here with no
such item, neither attached, nor inline.

I haven't been able to reproduce it by sending myself emails from my office,
or gmail, etc, so I don't know what is funny about those emails.

If I ask the sender to resend that mail to my gmail (or office) account, the
image is there.

I am using milter to run clamav on incoming and outgoing emails but that is a
rather recent addition (loast 6 months, more or less) and the problem has
long-preceded that change.

I'm using Mutt 1.5.21 on Centos-7.

Anyone got any good ideas?

thanks!

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  who strengthens me.
-- Philippians 4:13 ---


Re: format=flowed

2015-09-15 Thread Fred Smith
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 05:46:06PM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> Text is text, flowed is past text as html is text but not.  And I believe
> html has uses only in advertising, not in personal or list email.
> 
> But I *am* old, cranky, set-in-my-ways, old cranky,   And I use a text
> mode email client to read text emails.  Very simple.  TEXT emails, not
> html, flowed, pretty-print,  Next people will be emailing thank-yous
> for wedding gifts, not personal hand-written notes/cards.

Or, as I like to say  it:
When God invented email, He intended it to be plain text.

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  to be sin for us, so that in him
 we might become the righteousness of God."
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Re: scoring top posters

2015-07-29 Thread Fred Smith
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 02:38:30PM -0500, David Champion wrote:
> Simplest idea I have is to add a procmail (or whatever) rule to detect 
> top-posting,
> then insert a yes or no header into the message:
> 
>   X-Top-Posted: yes
> 
> Then it's trivial to score it in mutt.

and just to satisfy my curiosity, how would such a procmail rule look/work?


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 be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before
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Re: Quotes

2015-06-21 Thread Fred Smith
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 04:05:44PM -0500, David Champion wrote:
> * On 20 Jun 2015, Chuck Martin wrote: 
> > On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 08:49:36PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> > > form. If it is the:
> > > 
> > > "Ian> .
> > >  Herbet> ... "
> > > 
> > > form, than that's no harder than following a straight line. I've never
> > > heard of that being deprecated, though I've only encountered it rarely
> > > in list posts.
> > 
> > Actually, that can be ambiguous.  For example:
> > 
> > Ian> .
> > Herbet> ...
> > Ian> .
> > Herbet> ...
> 
> Yes, this is one of my points in the (yes, flip) example I gave.
> Conventional SuperCite style gives only one level of quoting, which not
> only fails to provide appropriate context to a conversation that is
> several generations deep, but also *removes* such context when others
> have kept it.  It destroys information that people have taken care to
> preserve.
> 
> But trying to keep that by using multiple> layers> of> quoting> in
> SuperCite style gets unbearable in a text-only medium by making the
> quote indicators themselves a majority of the content.
> 
> GNUS users have amended this situation by changing from full names,
> something like this:
> 
> Ian> Herbet> Ian> Herbet> ...
> 
> to initials only:
> 
> >>> IZ == "Ian Zimmerman"
> >>> HA == "Herbet Andersen"
> 
> IZ> HA> IZ> HA> ...
> 
> This is a little less ridiculous but still a bit of a chore to read. But
> regardless, the truth remains that how we quote email is a train that's
> been accelerating for decades.  Turning it around now means fighting a
> lot of inertia, and it's not going to get done on this mailing list.
> That was my other point.

But whatever the shortcomings, they are all superior to what other
mailers, e.g., Outlook (gack. gross), which I'm required to use at
work, do by default, i.e., NO indication at all of who authored which
parts.

But, I was wondering how one sets up those other methods in Mutt? Am
I overlooking something in the manual? (most likely, I am...)

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 for you are God my Savior,
And my hope is in you all day long.
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Re: Saving a message as unread

2015-05-10 Thread Fred Smith
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 07:23:20PM -0400, Xu Wang wrote:
> I use GMail and have a macro to emulate GMail's "archive":
> 
> macro index,pager A "+[Gmail].All Mail" "archive"
> 
> But when I open up gmail after doing the above and go to All Mail, it
> shows up as unread. If I archive from within GMail, it shows up as
  ^^
> unread, which is what I prefer.
  ^^

what's the difference between "unread" and "unread" ??

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Re: Signatures

2001-11-25 Thread fred smith

On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 11:58:04PM -0500, Harold Bibik wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2001 at 08:17:43PM +0100, Elimar Riesebieter arranged the electrons 
>something like this:
> 
> 
> > Just another quetion:
> > Is there a possibility to tell mutt to coose the signature randomly
> > out of a directory? 
> 
> I use a sig generator called makesig, a perl script that will choose a
> random quote from a given file, add it to your chosen sig and stick
> it a the bottom of your emails

Here's a shellscript someone posted some time back, I just began using
it the other day (when, after an OS upgrade the hack I"d been using for
years decided to no longer work). I would expect it's a lot more 
lightweight than a perl script:

#!/usr/bin/ksh
# from mutt mailing list...
{
typeset afile
set -A allsigs `cd ~/.sigs;ls -a sig[0-9]*`

(( afile = $RANDOM % ${#allsigs[*]} ))
cat ~/.sigs/${allsigs[$afile]}
}


Drop this in a file somewhere, make it executable, name it 'randisg' (or
whatever you like, really), set up the signature in mutt to be 
"/path/to/randsig |" and voila!

Of course, you also need a set of files in a directory (in this case it's
"/.sigs") each of which contains one signature.

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Re: long delay while downloading headers

2001-11-14 Thread fred smith

On Wed, Nov 14, 2001 at 06:24:32PM -0500, fred smith wrote:
> Gentlepersons:

Oh never mind, I was obviously suffering a "senior moment", wherein
I posted here what should have gone to the tin list. Duh.

Fred

> 
> I've used mutt for years to read mail on my local system.
> 
> But just recently I have, for the very first time, used it to read mail
> on remote systems (such as news.opera.no, etc). I find that in the 
> example of Opera, there are over 7000 messages in the news group they
> are hosting that I am reading. My newsrc file for that server shows
> all but the last few as having been read, but it still takes several
> minutes to download ALL the headers whenever I start up Tin and point
> it at that server.
> 
> This seems strange, why is it downloading all 7000+ headers when I've
> already read (or skipped) nearly all the articles? 
> 
> Is there a way to make it grab only the ones that are new since I last
> read that group?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Fred
> 
> PS:
> I was trying to look around on tin.org to see if I could find an answer
> without having to bug you all, but there seem to be a lot of dead/broken
> links on that site, as of 11/13, anyway, so I couldn't find anything
> helpful to me.
> -- 
>  Fred Smith -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of
>  heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
> -- Matthew 7:21 (niv) -

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long delay while downloading headers

2001-11-14 Thread fred smith

Gentlepersons:

I've used mutt for years to read mail on my local system.

But just recently I have, for the very first time, used it to read mail
on remote systems (such as news.opera.no, etc). I find that in the 
example of Opera, there are over 7000 messages in the news group they
are hosting that I am reading. My newsrc file for that server shows
all but the last few as having been read, but it still takes several
minutes to download ALL the headers whenever I start up Tin and point
it at that server.

This seems strange, why is it downloading all 7000+ headers when I've
already read (or skipped) nearly all the articles? 

Is there a way to make it grab only the ones that are new since I last
read that group?

Thanks!

Fred

PS:
I was trying to look around on tin.org to see if I could find an answer
without having to bug you all, but there seem to be a lot of dead/broken
links on that site, as of 11/13, anyway, so I couldn't find anything
helpful to me.
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 heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
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Re: Say what ?

2001-10-27 Thread fred smith

On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 04:06:00PM -0700, Michael Elkins wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 26, 2001 at 06:41:31PM -0400, Daniel Eisenbud wrote:
> > I believe it's supposed to be a very small, not very configurable IMAP
> > client.
> 
> Pup was not intended to be a Mutt-replacement, and I have no itention of
> starting over again.  :-)
> 
> me

FYI, In case anyone cares about the name conflict, PUP is also a 
really cool "Printer Utility Program" that is invaluable for those
of us who have a Lexmark Optra color 40 printer. It performs most
of the functions that the Lexmark setup program for Windoze gives us
without the downside of having to use Windoze instead of Linux.
(BTW it will also service a couple of other printers).

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  Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government there will be no end. He 
 will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding
  it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever."
--- Isaiah 9:7 (niv) --



change color settings depend on tty in use

2000-11-03 Thread fred smith

Gentlemen:

when I use Mutt on a direct console I like color settings. When I dial in
from work the color settings don't work very well even though I DO set
the terminal type correctly.

Is there a way I can have mutt apply different color settings depending
on terminal type, or may be depending on which tty I'm on , or some other
way to handle this issue?

thanks!

Fred
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Re: EDITOR selection based on gui

2000-07-17 Thread fred smith

On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 09:30:10AM -0400, Bennett Todd wrote:
> 2000-07-17-09:26:17 Mostly Harmless:
> > Is there an easy way to specify my editor as gvim if I'm in x, and vim
> > if I'm connected from a remote machine via ssh?
> 
> Ayup. Use a wrapper script. Set the EDITOR environment variable, or
> mutt's editor config variable, to the name of a wrapper script, and
> let logic in that wrapper script decide. E.g.
> 
>   #!/bin/sh
>   test -n "SSH_TTY"  && exec  vim ${1+"$@"}
>   test -n "$DISPLAY" && exec gvim ${1+"$@"}
>   exec vim ${1+"$@"}
> 
> -Bennett


Since we're OT I'll continue... :^)

Or, you could go to ftp.cs.pdx.edu:/pub/elvis and get the elvis source,
and build it. Elvis notices on its own whether you are in a GUI or not
and runs itself in the appropriate mode. Excellent vi clone.


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Re: Procmail Question

2000-06-18 Thread fred smith

On Sun, Jun 18, 2000 at 01:21:21AM -0700, Dale Morris wrote:
> I'm trying to set up mutt so mail from mutt-users goes into a mailbox
> named mutt. This is the filter I made for my .procmailrc. I'm posting this
> to see if it works and if it doesn't maybe someone would comment on the
> proper way to configure:
> 
> :0:
> * ^From:.*mutt\..*
> mutt
> 

I'm first to admit I don't know anything about procmail,... but having
said that, here's the procmail recipe I use for that:

FORMAIL=/usr/bin/formail
...
# mutt-users
:0:
* ^TOmutt-users
| $FORMAIL -A"X-SpamBouncer: Mutt-Users" >>$HOME/Mail/mutt-users

note, I'm using the "SpamBouncer" (another large procmail script) as a
spam filter. This recipe adds a "X_SpamBouncer" header to the mail (which 
you prolly don't need to do), but it ends up in my mutt-users mailbox

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Re: Mailing Lists problem

2000-06-16 Thread fred smith

On Fri, Jun 16, 2000 at 12:01:28AM +0100, Lars Hecking wrote:
> fred smith writes:
> > Hi guys!
> > 
> > i've been using mutt for quite a while now and mostly it does what I
> > need, but my needs are pretty modest, I don't stress it a lot.
> > 
> > I'm subscribed to several mailing lists, and have procmail set up to
> > filter them out to their own folders, and the appropriate settings in my
> > .muttrc so that when replying to a message in one of those lists' folders,
> > I can use 'L' to do it.
> > 
> > I recently discovered, however, that when I'm in the folder for the
> > ncurses mailing list, that hitting 'L' results in the message:
> > 
> > No mailing lists found!
> 
>  (I'd like to see the complete headers of such a mail message).

OK, here they are (quoted):

> From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Thu Jun 15 22:41:21 2000
> Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Received: (from uucp@localhost)
> by fcshome.stoneham.ma.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id WAA12796
> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:41:13 -0400
> Received: from mescaline.gnu.org ([EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>[158.121.106.21])
> by news-in.ConnActivity.com (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA22544
> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:29:57 -0400 (EDT)
> Received: (from slist@localhost)
> by mescaline.gnu.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id UAA00224
> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:29:55 -0400
> Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:29:55 -0400
> Received: from garfield.cs.mun.ca ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [134.153.1.1])
> by mescaline.gnu.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA29439
>   for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:10:02 -0400
>  Received: from localhost (nzanella@localhost)
> by garfield.cs.mun.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA02546;
> Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:39:46 -0230 (NDT)
> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:39:45 -0230 (NDT)
> From: Neil Zanella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Frank Heckenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> cc: ncurses <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: another resize bug: ^@ as output

> 
> > which I can't figure out. it's not configured any differently (that I can
> > see) than other lists in which 'L' DOES work.
> 
>  Known problem, to me at least :)
> 
>  Mutt doesn't recognise lists if the list address is not in the From:,
>  To:, or Cc: header. E.g. it doesn't check the From_, or Sender: header.

Oh, then I guess it makes sense. So is it Mutt's fault, or is it the
list-server's fault for not building correct headers?

Perhaps I could "fix" it by changing the name of the list (in the .muttrc)
to "bug-ncurses" since that seems to be in one header or another in 
most of the messages in that mailbox (some in To:, some in cc:, some
nowhere)

> 
>  Possible ways to deal with this have been discussed here and on
>  mutt-dev, but nobody has implemented anything yet.

Thanks!
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Mailing Lists problem

2000-06-15 Thread fred smith

Hi guys!

i've been using mutt for quite a while now and mostly it does what I
need, but my needs are pretty modest, I don't stress it a lot.

I'm subscribed to several mailing lists, and have procmail set up to
filter them out to their own folders, and the appropriate settings in my
.muttrc so that when replying to a message in one of those lists' folders,
I can use 'L' to do it.

I recently discovered, however, that when I'm in the folder for the
ncurses mailing list, that hitting 'L' results in the message:

No mailing lists found!

which I can't figure out. it's not configured any differently (that I can
see) than other lists in which 'L' DOES work.

Here's (what I think to be) the appropriate excerpt from my .muttrc 
(line-wrapped for legibility):

lists redhat-list apollo-list mutt-users linux-tape
bug-ncurses-request ldescent linux-diald tin-users

mailboxes ! =redhat-list =mutt-users =linux-tape =ldescent
=spam.incoming =admin.incoming =block.incoming
=bulk.incoming =ncurses-request =linux-diald =tin-users

I'd appreciate it if someone could/would tell me what dumb thing I've
done wrong. TIA!

Fred
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Re: pronounce -- drifting toward OT

1999-11-09 Thread fred smith

On Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 10:54:20PM -0500, Ken W wrote:
> Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be an HTML character for the 'u'
> in 'mutt'.  The 'u' in IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) is called
> a "shwa" represented by an upside-down 'e'.  It is the same vowel
> sound in "what" and "up" and "cup".

I never thought of the vowel sound in "what" as being the same as that
in "up" or "cup". Most people I know pronounce the "a" in what as "ah",
not as "uh".

> Wow, finally putting my degree in linguistics to good use! :)  Hope
> this helps.

See, yer Mom _told_ you that college education would be good for something!

Fred
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Re: pronounce

1999-11-08 Thread fred smith

On Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 12:19:11PM -0800, Reed Lai wrote:
> seniors,
> 
> how to pronounce "mutt"?

M U T T, which comes from the derogatory term used for a mixed-breed
canine, rhymes with what golfers do: P U T T or with a small house or
building: H U T

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Re: mutt-announce unused?

1999-05-19 Thread fred smith

On Mon, May 17, 1999 at 07:04:01PM +0100, Lars Hecking wrote:
> Leon Breedt writes:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake thus:
> > > ist mutt-announce used? At least I got no annoucement of 0.95.5 ... 
> > Ditto.  How does one know about new development releases?
> > 
> > I'd also like to know where I can get a CVS version of mutt...
> 
>  Subscribe to mutt-dev.

I didn't see any announcement here either,... was there one?
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Re: signature

1999-03-29 Thread fred smith

On Mon, Mar 29, 1999 at 01:58:11AM +0200, Peter van Dijk wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 28, 1999 at 06:47:42PM -0500, Ayman Haidar wrote:
> > 
> > hello:
> > 
> > as you know when you reply to a message, by default the signature will
> > be appended to the end of the quoted message.
> > 
> > is there a way to append it to the beginning of the message, so you can
> > type your hole message and the signature before the quoted message.
> 
> Err it is _plain_ _wrong_ (IMnsHO anyway) to reply _before_ a quoted message.

I agree with you, I'm not arguing,... but I would like to point out 
that there ARE mail clients which by default expect you to insert
replies ABOVE the replied-to mail. The one I have the misfortune to 
be familar with is Lotus Notes the preferred, in fact ONLY, mail client
allowed at my office. Even worse, it does not quote the replied-to mail,
I cannot find any way to MAKE it quote the replied-to mail, so it is a
pain to carry on a conversation several replies deep using that stupid
program.

One would HOPE Lotus knew what they were doing, but I doubt it. Can you
give a reference (RFC, for example) as evidence for what you say here?

Thanks!

Fred
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Re: Bleh - MS attachements

1999-03-04 Thread fred smith

On Wed, Mar 03, 1999 at 08:12:54PM +0100, Christian Stigen Larsen wrote:
> Is there any patch, utility, script or something which
> can decode typical MS-attachements like
> 
>   [applica/ms-tnef, base64, 1.4M]
> 
> As I continually get these type of attachements life is
> really annoying, as I can't decode them (and the senders
> won't attach in another format).


Yeah they are really annoying. What's even worse is the air heads
who think it's really cool that they can send pretty formatted text
as email, without thinking or caring that they are making it harder
for anybody who doesn't use their own proprietary mail programs.

I tend to get stiff-necked and tell them i can't read their mail,
it's got some kind of "strange junk" in it,... can they please 
configure their mailer to send plain text?

At work we use Lotus Notes for email. While I think there are a lot
of things wrong with using a kitchen-sink as a mailer, at least one 
thing they got right was that when you send pretty formatted text
outside the company all that arrives at the other end is nice plain
80-column ASCII.
<\gripe-mode>
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Where's 'me' ??

1999-02-03 Thread fred smith

Just nosey... :^)

Haven't seen Michael Elkins in this list in some time, is he still
doing mutt, or has he moved on?

Fred
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Re: "text/enriched" message support?

1999-01-26 Thread fred smith

On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 06:29:50AM -0500, Randall Hopper wrote:
> Daniel González Gasull:
>  |Randall Hopper:
>  |> I wonder if anyone has cooked a method to compose and send
>  |> text/enriched messages with Mutt.
>  |
>  |I'm not doing this, but the process would be something
>  |like:
> ...
>  |plain2enriched is supossed to be a script that
>  |converts text/plain to text/enriched.
> 
> I'd be more interested in a WYSIWYG interface where bold is bold, etc.
> Such as is offered in GNU Emacs.  It'd be helpful occasionally when
> swapping mail with other users I know use mutt to use a bold or underline
> now and again.

Not having done it, I'll jump in here to say it could PROBABLY be done
with editors (such as Elvis) which offer a "syntax coloring" capability,
by building a custom "enriched" mode for the syntax highlighting description.
If someone does it, I'd like to see it, though!

Fred
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