Re: Thank you for Mutt
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 05:01:50AM -0500, Jim Graham wrote: I have that archived somehwere here, if anyone wants me to post a copy, put it online, etc. Just remember, put your coffee down before you read it or C|NK will be the result (that's another one from ASR---coffee, piped through the nose, onto the keyboard). Yes, please. At least, I'd like it if you'd send it to me. -- Eduardo Alvarez Stercus, Stercus, Stercus, moriturus sum -- Rincewind The Wizzard pgpcbHdNJ94cg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Thank you for Mutt
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 06:29:33PM +0100, Joe McCool wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:19 PM, stargr...@stargrave.org wrote: Thanks to all the Mutt developers, contributors, and user community. Mutt is a great app! It doesn't suck at all. Joining in! Really, Mutt is absolutely the best email client and computer is not needed ???. Big thanks to all developers! I'll second that and third it, if need be :-) As will I. :-) (yeah, I know, but in this case, I think ME TOO actually is a valid post grin.) Later. --jim -- THE SCORE: ME: 2 CANCER: 0 73 DE N5IAL (/4)MiSTie #49997 Running Mac OS X Lion spooky1...@gmail.com ICBM/Hurricane: 30.44406N 86.59909W Do not look into waveguide with remaining eye! Android Apps Listing at http://www.jstrack.org/barcodes.html
Re: Thank you for Mutt
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 04:17:59AM -0500, Jim Graham wrote: As will I. :-) Forgot one thing: I've been using Mutt since right around the time it went from alpha to beta status, ca 1995, I think, and have never had even the slightest regret. It has, simply, always been the best for me. On one list I'm on (the Chile-Heads list, fwiw), from time to time the topic of replying to the list will come up, and the fact that most have to do a reply-all to reply to the list, and the resulting duplicate copy that some people get gets people irritated. I sometimes just respond suggesting that they just configure their e-mail program to recognize the list and to use a list-reply. Too bad their e-mail clients just can't do that. Oh well, mine can ;-} Later, --jim -- THE SCORE: ME: 2 CANCER: 0 73 DE N5IAL (/4) | There it was, right in the title bar: spooky1...@gmail.com | Microsoft Operations POS. Running Mac OS X Lion | ICBM / Hurricane: | Never before has a TLA been so appropriately 30.44406N 86.59909W| mis-parsed. (alt.sysadmin.recovery) Android Apps Listing at http://www.jstrack.org/barcodes.html
Re: Thank you for Mutt
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 01:00:28AM +0200, Andre Kl?rner wrote: Well, what do you mean with that? I also noticed that sometimes the fullscreen running mutt looks a bit unusual when you use 80 of your 250 columns. But how would you think could one make it better? I'm not sure what you're describing, but if I use an xterm wider than 80 columns, Mutt quite happily expands its UI, and when someone posts long URLs, they don't wrap unless they're longer than my xterm is wide. If you're talking about people posting with a line width of 80 cols, that's a courtesy to people (like me) who normally read e-mail in an 80 column window. No ability to change signatures when changing accounts automatically. You can. In fact I am doing it. You can certainly do this. I could do so, if I made a simple modification to my ~/bin/sigset, which is called from ~/.muttrc for setting the .signature every time I start Mutt. (Oh, and I'd like to see people on other e-mail clients try to do THAT!) Of course, most people on those other e-mail clients don't even know how to quote properly, so it'd be difficult to expect them to even begin to try setting up random sigs. Later, --jim -- THE SCORE: ME: 2 CANCER: 0 73 DE N5IAL (/4)MiSTie #49997 Running Mac OS X Lion spooky1...@gmail.com ICBM/Hurricane: 30.44406N 86.59909W Do not look into waveguide with remaining eye! Android Apps Listing at http://www.jstrack.org/barcodes.html
Re: Thank you for Mutt
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:11:03AM +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: On 24Jul2012 15:20, Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote: | - No ability to change signatures when changing accounts automatically. Well, mutt doesn't have accounts. It has individual settings for a bunch of things, which would normally be grouped together as an account in other clients. Mutt is more flexible as a consequence but also more fiddly. I'd assumed that accounts here meant different accounts on different computers. And changing the settings would be as simple as the way I set random sigs, except instead of a random number determining the sig, it would be set based on the host name. Sattinger's Second Law: Even though you've plugged it in, it still won't work until you switch it on. That's still not complete, though. I once saw a post in alt.sysadmin.recovery (the thread was something like, things that make you say umm) where someone told a story about a woman who called tech support, asking why her modem wasn't working. The guy telling the story said he asked her to see if there were any lights lit up on the modem. She said she'd go check. After about 15 minutes, she came back to the phone and said no. So he asked her to check and see if the modem was turned on, and just before he was able to ask why it took her so long, she'd already gone to check. Anyways, she finally gets back, and says yes, it's plugged in. So he then asks why it's taking her so long to get to the modem and back. She responds, saying that the power is out in their building, and their phone system isn't working, so she's having to use a pay-phone across the street. I have that archived somehwere here, if anyone wants me to post a copy, put it online, etc. Just remember, put your coffee down before you read it or C|NK will be the result (that's another one from ASR---coffee, piped through the nose, onto the keyboard). Later, --jim -- THE SCORE: ME: 2 CANCER: 0 73 DE N5IAL (/4) | Peter da Silva: No, try rm -rf / spooky1...@gmail.com | Dave Aronson:As your life flashes before Running Mac OS X Lion | your eyes, in the unit of time known as an ICBM / Hurricane: | ohnosecond (alt.sysadmin.recovery) 30.44406N 86. 59909W | Android Apps Listing at http://www.jstrack.org/barcodes.html
Re: Thank you for Mutt
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 04:33:13AM -0500, Jim Graham wrote: On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 04:17:59AM -0500, Jim Graham wrote: On one list I'm on (the Chile-Heads list, fwiw), from time to time the topic of replying to the list will come up, and the fact that most have to do a reply-all to reply to the list, and the resulting duplicate copy that some people get gets people irritated. I sometimes just respond suggesting that they just configure their e-mail program to recognize the list and to use a list-reply. Too bad their e-mail clients just can't do that. Oh well, mine can ;-} Yeah this is a pet peeve of mine as well. I hate getting two copies of a message just because people can't figure out I read the mailing list they're responding to. At least *I* don't do thath to other people! Thanks, Mutt! -- ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X Loongson MIPS and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \http://www.mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Thank you for Mutt
I used Mutt stable years ago and for whatever reasons, too many email accounts I guess, I got away from it. Using the development version recently has been such a pleasure. Everything works as expected and there are lots of nice features. More than I will ever use. It's perfect when you have a lot of computers and need to reduce complexity. Instead of dragging a heavy GUI client to all the boxes in my network, I set up Mutt with one account on each of my boxes and save the GUI client for my main desktop. With Mutt I have high performance lightweight email with gpg support everywhere! Thanks to all the Mutt developers, contributors, and user community. Mutt is a great app! It doesn't suck at all. -- ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) Powered by Lemote Fuloong against HTML e-mail X Loongson MIPS and OpenBSD and proprietary/ \http://www.mutt.org attachmentsCode Blue or Go Home!
Re: Thank you for Mutt
Thanks to all the Mutt developers, contributors, and user community. Mutt is a great app! It doesn't suck at all. Joining in! Really, Mutt is absolutely the best email client and there is nothing at all that sucks in it! No Mutt → no email → computer is not needed ☺. Big thanks to all developers! -- Happy hacking, Sergey Matveev. [CYPHERPUNKS.RU][FSF][FSFE][EFF] fellow ..:
Re: Thank you for Mutt
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:19 PM, stargr...@stargrave.org wrote: Thanks to all the Mutt developers, contributors, and user community. Mutt is a great app! It doesn't suck at all. Joining in! Really, Mutt is absolutely the best email client and there is nothing at all that sucks in it! No Mutt → no email → computer is not needed ☺. Big thanks to all developers! I'll second that and third it, if need be :-) Joe
Re: Thank you for Mutt
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 06:29:33PM +0100, Joe McCool wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:19 PM, stargr...@stargrave.org wrote: Thanks to all the Mutt developers, contributors, and user community. Mutt is a great app! It doesn't suck at all. Joining in! Really, Mutt is absolutely the best email client and there is nothing at all that sucks in it! No Mutt → no email → computer is not needed ☺. Big thanks to all developers! I'll second that and third it, if need be :-) Joe Me too! Luis
Re: Thank you for Mutt
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 04:12:22PM +, John Long wrote: Mutt is a great app! It doesn't suck at all. Hmmm. I'm going to disagree a bit. I think Mutt is a fine MUA, and I use it for all of my personal and professional mail, but it definitely has some baggage that sucks. - IMAP support causes segfaults with 1.5.21. Regularly. - Local commands, such as 'c' to change mailboxes, can take ages, even though all the mailboxes are cached. - All around, it's slow. Even with caching. - Inconsistent keyboard shortcuts. First it's 'i' that exits, then 'y' then 'q', and so on. - No sidebar support (outside of an unofficial patch) for viewing your mailbox tree. - No vertical layout for viewing messages with widescreen monitors.. - No ability to change signatures when changing accounts automatically. - No RSS/Usenet support. There are other things that irk me, but those are probably the heavy hitters. Despite that, I find Mutt to be a good all-alround MUA, which I use daily (have for years), but you won't find me saying it doesn't suck. It certainly has its issues. :) -- . o . o . o . . o o . . . o . . . o . o o o . o . o o . . o o o o . o . . o o o o . o o o pgpqcPHlrrlXP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Thank you for Mutt
Hi Aaron, On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 03:20:29PM -0600, Aaron Toponce wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 04:12:22PM +, John Long wrote: Mutt is a great app! It doesn't suck at all. Hmmm. I'm going to disagree a bit. I think Mutt is a fine MUA, and I use it for all of my personal and professional mail, but it definitely has some baggage that sucks. Well, than maybe I have to disagree with you ;) - IMAP support causes segfaults with 1.5.21. Regularly. - Local commands, such as 'c' to change mailboxes, can take ages, even though all the mailboxes are cached. - All around, it's slow. Even with caching. Okay, these are things I can't how to change them right now and here. - Inconsistent keyboard shortcuts. First it's 'i' that exits, then 'y' then 'q', and so on. But this is easy to patch - spot the problems and make a patch. There might be many that will honour this. - No sidebar support (outside of an unofficial patch) for viewing your mailbox tree. I would consider this an optional thingy, that some (like me) would like only very seldom. - No vertical layout for viewing messages with widescreen monitors.. Well, what do you mean with that? I also noticed that sometimes the fullscreen running mutt looks a bit unusual when you use 80 of your 250 columns. But how would you think could one make it better? - No ability to change signatures when changing accounts automatically. You can. In fact I am doing it. - No RSS/Usenet support. RSS - well, I am using this: http://git.ak-online.be/?p=rss2maildir.git;a=summary It reads the RSS feads and places each found item in a specific folder. Usenet - well, it is quite similar to mail. But there should be anywhere something that generates a Maildir of Usenet groups. There are other things that irk me, but those are probably the heavy hitters. Despite that, I find Mutt to be a good all-alround MUA, which I use daily (have for years), but you won't find me saying it doesn't suck. It certainly has its issues. :) Well, I would say, it is the most sane behaving client out there. I tried too many things that claim the term mail client, but most make your life simply horrible, and without a two year learning phase you can't even get it do do the simplest advanced tasks or simply suck at using long-running threads. So: mutt is simply great. greetings, Andre -- Andre Klärner Telefon: 0351/79666546 Fax: 0351/79688547 Mobil: 0172/9838653 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Thank you for Mutt
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 09:19:30PM +0400, stargr...@stargrave.org wrote: Thanks to all the Mutt developers, contributors, and user community. Mutt is a great app! It doesn't suck at all. Joining in! Really, Mutt is absolutely the best email client and there is nothing at all that sucks in it! No Mutt ??? no email ??? computer is not needed ???. Big thanks to all developers! -- Happy hacking, Sergey Matveev. [CYPHERPUNKS.RU][FSF][FSFE][EFF] fellow ..: Yes, thanks to all, especially those who post the guides and tutorials online so the less technical of us can set it up to advantage. The biggest compliment you can pay to a software program is that it gets out of the way and lets you complete your task without fuss. This, mutt has in spades. It makes my life a little easier. Terry
Re: Thank you for Mutt
On 24Jul2012 15:20, Aaron Toponce aaron.topo...@gmail.com wrote: | On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 04:12:22PM +, John Long wrote: | Mutt is a great app! It doesn't suck at all. | | Hmmm. I'm going to disagree a bit. [...] | - Local commands, such as 'c' to change mailboxes, can take ages, even | though all the mailboxes are cached. Maybe this is an imap thing. It is fairly fast with local Maildirs (my setup). | - All around, it's slow. Even with caching. I find it fast, again using local Maildirs. Except for some thread based stuff (delete-thread comes to mind; surprisingly not fast). | - Inconsistent keyboard shortcuts. First it's 'i' that exits, then 'y' | then 'q', and so on. Well, if you mean 'i' for index, 'q' works as well. And for the y/q, that is send/abort - you need two keystrokes one way or another. | - No ability to change signatures when changing accounts automatically. Well, mutt doesn't have accounts. It has individual settings for a bunch of things, which would normally be grouped together as an account in other clients. Mutt is more flexible as a consequence but also more fiddly. | - No RSS/Usenet support. There's a patch for NNTP, though personally I have a custom sendmail script the recognises group.name@usenet and funnels it sideways to usenet instead of email. And a usenet article fetcher for the other half. Cheers, -- Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au Sattinger's Second Law: Even though you've plugged it in, it still won't work until you switch it on.
Re: Thank you for Mutt
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 04:12:22PM +, John Long wrote: Thanks to all the Mutt developers, contributors... Some years back, I acquired a web buddy, one Mae Ling Mak, a collumnist for the late Maximum Linux magazine. She was then and is now a Mutt Girl. I didn't understand her logic at first... what with Evolution improving with each generation and all. I was not an IT professional, so the CLI scared the crap out of me. Eventually, I came to appreciate simplicity. I didn't really need the animated smileys in my emails. I needed a client that would simply and securely deliver things like say, messages from police detectives. Mutt no longer needs the helper applications as it once did and offers IMAP and GnuPG support. If you know how, you can even set up a Mutt launcher icon just like any other email client. What more does any man need? Dale -- Think nobody intercepts email? Think again! Gnu Privacy Guard. Not just for spies. pgpNQJEu6v81u.pgp Description: PGP signature
