Re: MySQL Platform Migration
Right... if even a fraction of that is true (I have no reason to doubt you, but I can also not verify any of it, obviously), that is imo certainly something to take up with a list moderator (Shawn ?). That kind of behaviour is unacceptable. - Original Message - > From: "Reindl Harald" > To: "MySql" > Sent: Tuesday, 13 September, 2016 13:39:59 > Subject: Re: MySQL Platform Migration > Am 13.09.2016 um 12:13 schrieb Johan De Meersman: >> - Original Message - >>> From: "Ryan Coleman" >>> Subject: Re: MySQL Platform Migration >>> >>> Because they want to be belittled by european jackasses online. >> >> The thing is, while he has a bit of a rough edge, his technical advice is >> always >> solid. What has your contribution been, outside of insulting him, and for >> some >> reason, an entire continent? > > this guy is just mentally ill and the next steps are: > > * starting off-list mails (already happened) > * can't stand the repsone > * add a list-moderator to CC > * setup something in his MUA which send all read messages back > to me (includig old ones from other lists he reads again) > * can't stand the response to that action > * forwards that responses to my boss > * after having enough of the game and reject his > envelope asking for list-removal by pretending > that my server sends bounces to all his list mails while > in fact it only rejects private email > > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/spamassassin-users/201608.mbox/%3cbb0c1584-f56a-4c1e-8b58-0d4b7d9a8...@cwis.biz%3E > > > the reason for that personal hate (statet on a different list) is that > repsone from last year: https://marc.info/?l=mysql&m=144526386203911&w=4 > > -- > MySQL General Mailing List > For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql > To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql -- Unhappiness is discouraged and will be corrected with kitten pictures. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql
Re: MySQL Platform Migration
Am 13.09.2016 um 13:47 schrieb Ryan Coleman: Right... I don't like seeing people being shredded by a high strung personality because they simply don't understand things at your level, Reiny. the message where you responded with "jackasses" was actually nice and you are hardly at the position call me "Reiny" Be nice to people and I won't say anything. Be an ass and I will. mind your own dirt - you are not in the position to play internet police especially when *you* are the guy with wordings like "jackasses" and "Your proven track record of asshole first" and i assure you the next time you start the same game as 08/2015 with 70 mails within 3 days which deserved a special folder in my archive you will regret it deeply On Sep 13, 2016, at 06:39, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.09.2016 um 12:13 schrieb Johan De Meersman: - Original Message - From: "Ryan Coleman" Subject: Re: MySQL Platform Migration Because they want to be belittled by european jackasses online. The thing is, while he has a bit of a rough edge, his technical advice is always solid. What has your contribution been, outside of insulting him, and for some reason, an entire continent? this guy is just mentally ill and the next steps are: * starting off-list mails (already happened) * can't stand the repsone * add a list-moderator to CC * setup something in his MUA which send all read messages back to me (includig old ones from other lists he reads again) * can't stand the response to that action * forwards that responses to my boss * after having enough of the game and reject his envelope asking for list-removal by pretending that my server sends bounces to all his list mails while in fact it only rejects private email https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/spamassassin-users/201608.mbox/%3cbb0c1584-f56a-4c1e-8b58-0d4b7d9a8...@cwis.biz%3E the reason for that personal hate (statet on a different list) is that repsone from last year: https://marc.info/?l=mysql&m=144526386203911&w=4 -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql
Re: MySQL Platform Migration
Right... I don't like seeing people being shredded by a high strung personality because they simply don't understand things at your level, Reiny. Be nice to people and I won't say anything. Be an ass and I will. > On Sep 13, 2016, at 06:39, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > >> Am 13.09.2016 um 12:13 schrieb Johan De Meersman: >> - Original Message - >>> From: "Ryan Coleman" >>> Subject: Re: MySQL Platform Migration >>> >>> Because they want to be belittled by european jackasses online. >> >> The thing is, while he has a bit of a rough edge, his technical advice is >> always solid. What has your contribution been, outside of insulting him, and >> for some reason, an entire continent? > > this guy is just mentally ill and the next steps are: > > * starting off-list mails (already happened) > * can't stand the repsone > * add a list-moderator to CC > * setup something in his MUA which send all read messages back > to me (includig old ones from other lists he reads again) > * can't stand the response to that action > * forwards that responses to my boss > * after having enough of the game and reject his > envelope asking for list-removal by pretending > that my server sends bounces to all his list mails while > in fact it only rejects private email > > https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/spamassassin-users/201608.mbox/%3cbb0c1584-f56a-4c1e-8b58-0d4b7d9a8...@cwis.biz%3E > > > the reason for that personal hate (statet on a different list) is that > repsone from last year: https://marc.info/?l=mysql&m=144526386203911&w=4 > > -- > MySQL General Mailing List > For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql > To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql > -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql
Re: MySQL Platform Migration
Am 13.09.2016 um 12:13 schrieb Johan De Meersman: - Original Message - From: "Ryan Coleman" Subject: Re: MySQL Platform Migration Because they want to be belittled by european jackasses online. The thing is, while he has a bit of a rough edge, his technical advice is always solid. What has your contribution been, outside of insulting him, and for some reason, an entire continent? this guy is just mentally ill and the next steps are: * starting off-list mails (already happened) * can't stand the repsone * add a list-moderator to CC * setup something in his MUA which send all read messages back to me (includig old ones from other lists he reads again) * can't stand the response to that action * forwards that responses to my boss * after having enough of the game and reject his envelope asking for list-removal by pretending that my server sends bounces to all his list mails while in fact it only rejects private email https://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/spamassassin-users/201608.mbox/%3cbb0c1584-f56a-4c1e-8b58-0d4b7d9a8...@cwis.biz%3E the reason for that personal hate (statet on a different list) is that repsone from last year: https://marc.info/?l=mysql&m=144526386203911&w=4 -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql
Re: MySQL Platform Migration
- Original Message - > From: "Reindl Harald" > Subject: Re: MySQL Platform Migration > > we discussed this multiple times here True; but new people on the list may not have seen that. > when you *copy* the datadir on the target machine nobody eats your data > on the old one away and hence you can try out how it behaves on the new > machine without any risk Again, true; but I can well imagine scenarios with relatively huge datadirs and very stringent uptime requirements, so you only get the one window to take the system down and cold-copy the datafiles. And, yes, that's what slaves are for, but if there is no existing slave you run into the same problem again. Circumstances vary, and asking doesn't hurt on most mailing lists :-p -- Unhappiness is discouraged and will be corrected with kitten pictures. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql
Re: MySQL Platform Migration
- Original Message - > From: "Matthias Schmidt" > Subject: Re: MySQL Platform Migration > > I had to make certain adjustements to the config file thou. Interesting - what changes did you have to make? I would expect most things to just keep working as they are, unless you were using something like the Federated engine that got disabled by default quite a while ago. -- Unhappiness is discouraged and will be corrected with kitten pictures. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql
Re: MySQL Platform Migration
Am 13.09.2016 um 12:09 schrieb Johan De Meersman: - Original Message - From: "Reindl Harald" Subject: Re: MySQL Platform Migration why shouldn't it when the identical software is running? it's just a bunch of files used by mysql Little/big endianness, for one, although I seem to recall, and your later mail confirms, that that is not an issue for MySQL datafiles - and Mac has gone Intel years ago anyway. we discussed this multiple times here There's no issue in this case; but it's not always as simple as 'same software, same binary files'. that's why you try things out - takes not longer than write 3 mails and since you don't touch the original data no risk involved One thing that is worth looking at, however, is users with the IP/hostname of the old host in them - those may need to be changed if the related software is also moved. Also, some Linux distributions do specific setup - Debian, for one, sets up a debian-sys-maint user that gets used for clean startup/shutdown/upgrade tasks. Both copying over the datafiles and importing a mysqldump from the old db will destroy that user entry, so it needs to be recreated manually afterwards. Other distributions may or may not have their own quirks. as said copy it to the new machine and you are done - why do people these days not just try out things, look if it works and when it don't asking questions? Eh. Sometimes it's comforting to get someone else's opinion before messing with production systems you're not an expert on really? when you *copy* the datadir on the target machine nobody eats your data on the old one away and hence you can try out how it behaves on the new machine without any risk -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql
Re: MySQL Platform Migration
- Original Message - > From: "Ryan Coleman" > Subject: Re: MySQL Platform Migration > > Because they want to be belittled by european jackasses online. The thing is, while he has a bit of a rough edge, his technical advice is always solid. What has your contribution been, outside of insulting him, and for some reason, an entire continent? -- Unhappiness is discouraged and will be corrected with kitten pictures. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql
Re: MySQL Platform Migration
- Original Message - > From: "Reindl Harald" > Subject: Re: MySQL Platform Migration > > why shouldn't it when the identical software is running? > it's just a bunch of files used by mysql Little/big endianness, for one, although I seem to recall, and your later mail confirms, that that is not an issue for MySQL datafiles - and Mac has gone Intel years ago anyway. Some software, but again, not MySQL, also writes datafiles differently depending on the architecture they're on. Had shenanigans some years ago simply moving (non-mysql) datafiles between 32- and 64-bit platforms. There's no issue in this case; but it's not always as simple as 'same software, same binary files'. One thing that is worth looking at, however, is users with the IP/hostname of the old host in them - those may need to be changed if the related software is also moved. Also, some Linux distributions do specific setup - Debian, for one, sets up a debian-sys-maint user that gets used for clean startup/shutdown/upgrade tasks. Both copying over the datafiles and importing a mysqldump from the old db will destroy that user entry, so it needs to be recreated manually afterwards. Other distributions may or may not have their own quirks. > as said copy it to the new machine and you are done - why do people > these days not just try out things, look if it works and when it don't > asking questions? Eh. Sometimes it's comforting to get someone else's opinion before messing with production systems you're not an expert on. -- Unhappiness is discouraged and will be corrected with kitten pictures. -- MySQL General Mailing List For list archives: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql To unsubscribe:http://lists.mysql.com/mysql
