Re: Re: Searchable archives of this list

2002-03-03 Thread Tony Buckley

 - Original Message -
 From: Kim Hendrikse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 7:04 PM
 Subject: Searchable archives of this list


  Hi,
 
  For those of you who are not aware of it, we run a searchable archive of
 this
  list at the following location:
 

Personally I find your automenus (under IE) most annoying and I for one
won't be
using the service.

T.

mysql table row


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Re: Hi

2002-03-02 Thread Tony Buckley


- Original Message -
From: cherian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: MySql [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 1:12 PM
Subject: Hi


 Hi,

 I have an application that has got Oracle as the central databse, if all
the
 client machines are online then it will update the central oracle databse
 otherwise in the offline mode the client machine will update the local MS
 Access databse, and later on when ever the network comes back the central
 databse is updated with the changes.

 I want now to change the MS Access with MySql in the client machine, is it
 possible to do so ?


Of course it's possible but you don't give many clues about what info you're
after?

What are your timescales, what's the budget, what are the clients written
in, what is the central db update process written in, any ODBC... and a
hundred other questions.  Just what are you asking here?

Tony



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Re: Showing results of a search

2002-03-01 Thread Tony Buckley


- Original Message -
From: Daniel Ferreira Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:22 PM
Subject: Showing results of a search


 I am programming the scripts of the Intranet of my Office, and I am using
 PHP and MySql.  I would like that when I execute a search the results
would
 be show on pages with 20 results per page.  Is that possible???

 Thank you

 Daniel F. Castro


This is a good site explaining just what you are after...
http://www.webmasterbase.com/article.php?pid=0aid=662

Tony



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Re: seeking partner

2002-01-28 Thread Tony Buckley

And YOU are part of the problem - every spam is backed up by one of your
complaints, doubling the traffic.

If it really bothers you that much then set up a filter rule (killfile) for
the persistent spammers, or risk being killfiled yourself - you have become
a spammer.

Can't you take your petitions to the list admins privately?

T.
.


- Original Message -
From: Marjolein Katsma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: MySQL [EMAIL PROTECTED]; MySQL [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: seeking partner


 Of course, the SAME spam we saw before appears again. No surprise.
 Does anyone still believe this will go away by itself? It won't - it will
only get worse - unless the list administrators actually *do* something
about it! The filters DO NOT WORK.

 At 17:05 2002-01-28, you wrote:
 TF  Information  Exchange  (TF)
 Physical Address : Room 210, Building 2, Chegongzhuang Street No. 6,
  Xicheng District, Beijing, China
 Post Code: 100044
 Tel:   +86-10-6800-3112
 Fax:  +86-10-6800-1452
 Web site: http://www.tangfeng.org
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 Grrr: database,sql,query,table

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Re: [OT] Re: Understanding throughput with JDBC

2002-01-20 Thread Tony Buckley

Rownum exists of a sort with the limit clause.

Rowid does not exist all at.

Tony

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From: Emmanuel van der Meulen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: MySQL Java List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; MySQL General List
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Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 12:46 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Re: Understanding throughput with JDBC


 Hello Nick,

 Does ROWNUM exist in MySQL?

 Kind reagrds
 Emmanuel

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  Sent: 19 January 2002 20:41
  To: Shankar Unni
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [OT] Re: Understanding throughput with JDBC
 
 
 
   With Oracle, the *only* solution is to issue a query for the whole
   resultset and scroll through it - it doesn't support anything
  *like* the
   LIMIT concept, though I suppose you *could* imitate it with
  WHERE ROWNUM 
   blah.
 
  With Oracle, you can retrieve a part of a result set by using inline
  views:
 
  SQL select d.c1,d.c2,d.c3
 2  from  (select c1,c2,c3,rownum c4 from foo order by c3) d
 3  where d.c4 =15 and d.c4 = 19
 4  /
 
C1   C2   C3
     
115   30   15
116   32   16
117   34   17
118   36   18
119   38   19
 
  Not as elegant as I would like, but it works.
 
  --
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Re: Porting from MS SQL to MySQL

2002-01-18 Thread Tony Buckley

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Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Porting from MS SQL to MySQL




 Jeremy Zawodny wrote:
 
  On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 03:16:15PM +0200, Markus Lervik wrote:
  
   Hello all!
  
   We've requested a database from different companies, and
   specifically said we wanted MySQL or PostgreSQL because of the open
   source angle and we're a library.
  
   One company offered MS SQL as the platform and said that they can
   later on port it to MySQL. For this they wanted 18 000 euro. Now,
   what I want to know is, how easy is it to port a (fairly
   complicated) database from MS SQL to MySQL? It can't be work worth
   18 000 euro, now can it?
 
  That's a bit strange.
 
  If the app is built with MySQL in mind, porting it should be very,
  very easy.  But if they're going to build the app with MySQL in mind
  anyway, it doesn't make much sense to do so on a platform other than
  MySQL, does it?
 
  Jeremy
  --
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  Technical Yahoo - Yahoo Finance
  Desk: (408) 349-7878   Fax: (408) 349-5454   Cell: (408) 685-5936
 
  MySQL 3.23.41-max: up 15 days, processed 362,696,624 queries (268/sec.
avg)
 

 I agree. If they are a seriuos company they should build it after the
 customers wishes
 i.e if you want mysql the company should build it with mysql.

 For 18,000 euro i could build the system myself:)

 My two cents
 /PM\

What about the customer who asks a car company to make the vehicle's tryes
out of velvet?  Would you go off in a huff if they refused and demand they
do it?  There are obviously issues here that we are not privy to; there
*must* be logic behind the choice of SQLServer.  Are they saying that mySQL
isn't upto it?

Porting a DB takes more 'than a couple of hours'.  What about the written
procedures, the security mappings, the back up and recovery procs, the
fallback arrangements, the testing etc.

If you think E18k is a lot then ask for a detailed task plan with effort;
find out what they are asking you to pay for.

The DB was described as 'fairly complicated' whatever that may mean.
Perhaps - and we are all guesing - there are remote data issues, views,
stored procs, java and god knows what else that all needs to be integrated.

Bottom line when you get a quote is find out what they want to do task by
task and then cut it down from there.

Tony



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Re: Porting from MS SQL to MySQL

2002-01-18 Thread Tony Buckley


- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tony Buckley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: Porting from MS SQL to MySQL


 SNIPSNIP:)
   I agree. If they are a seriuos company they should build it after the
   customers wishes
   i.e if you want mysql the company should build it with mysql.
  
   For 18,000 euro i could build the system myself:)
  
   My two cents
   /PM\
 
  What about the customer who asks a car company to make the vehicle's
tryes
  out of velvet?  Would you go off in a huff if they refused and demand
they
  do it?  There are obviously issues here that we are not privy to; there
  *must* be logic behind the choice of SQLServer.  Are they saying that
mySQL
  isn't upto it?

 Ah but if i say i want a mysql server and costs for it they shouldnt say
 we can do it in mssql
 I think they should give me an estimate on the costs for what i want
 then
 i can discuss how to get the cost down


Unless they are saying they doubt that mySQL is upto, it so it's no good
quoting.  They may have a room full of SQLServer people twiddling their
thumbs in which case I agree with you, they are not bucking for the customer
here.  On the other hand they have very real doubts that mySQL is upto the
job; they may be wrong on this last point, but at least they are being
honest in their beliefs.  Who knows!


 
  Porting a DB takes more 'than a couple of hours'.  What about the
written
  procedures, the security mappings, the back up and recovery procs, the
  fallback arrangements, the testing etc.
 
  If you think E18k is a lot then ask for a detailed task plan with
effort;
  find out what they are asking you to pay for.
 
  The DB was described as 'fairly complicated' whatever that may mean.
  Perhaps - and we are all guesing - there are remote data issues, views,
  stored procs, java and god knows what else that all needs to be
integrated.

 Mysql has always filled my need (wich is with perl,java,php)
 Granted it would be better to know exactly what fairly complicated is

 
  Bottom line when you get a quote is find out what they want to do task
by
  task and then cut it down from there.

 I have to agree with this but i dont think you should pay for getting a
 workdescription
 from them (ofcourse i dont know much about administrating papperwork i
 am a technichian)

100% agree.  Planning, including bidding for a job, is an overhead.  There
should be no charge for this.  IBM would disagree with us however :-)

Tony



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Re: Porting from MS SQL to MySQL

2002-01-18 Thread Tony Buckley


- Original Message -
From: j.urban [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tony Buckley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Porting from MS SQL to MySQL


  Porting a DB takes more 'than a couple of hours'.  What about the
written
  procedures, the security mappings, the back up and recovery procs, the
  fallback arrangements, the testing etc.

 Yes, porting a database that was written for MSSQL with no intention of
 porting can be a painful proposition.  However, if you have control over
 how the system is developed, you can easily design the system to be
 compatible with EITHER MSSQL or MySQL (the differeces are
 well-documented).  If you develop your system with porting in mind (ie the
 original post of they'll develop in SQLServer and port it to MySQL
 later) porting should not take more than a couple of hours.  You simply
 choose appropriate datatypes and don't use MSSQL-specific extensions...


I still don't agree with this.  Yes you can ease the passage by considering
all the issues up front but it is still not a trivial job for a database of
any consequence.  There is more to a database than a physical schema - what
about all the administration procedures that sit around it, what about
tuning the new physical implementation, what about reviewing the access
paths and optimisation, what about the redevelopment of data loading
scripts.  As I have said in another post, it's futile arguing about it
because we don't know enough about the technical situation let the
business/political one.

Are you seriously saying you could sit down in front a reasonably sized DB
you had never seen before and understand all the business issues and pick it
up and ship to a new RDBMS and platform, rewrite the document, replan what I
have stated above, and get it back up and running in two hours?  Perhaps I
am getting too old and slow but it would take me longer :-)

I am not saying it's a huge task to do any of this but whoever said, I
could do it in a couple of hours, doesn't understand the background that
led to a company quoting E18k; nor do any of us, and for anything other than
a very very trivial system, two hours seems inadequate.

This is an area that interests me, because I directly bid for work such as
this, and when tendering you usually find the bloke down the road working
out of his spare bedroom that thinks he can do it for a tenner over one day.
The company requesting the work then thinks that everyone else is
overinflating their prices so goes cheap and pays for it big time
downstream.  Cheapest and quickest is rarely best.  On the flip side, nor is
most expensive.  Tricky world init.

Tony



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Re: Porting from MS SQL to MySQL

2002-01-18 Thread Tony Buckley


- Original Message -
From: j.urban [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tony Buckley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Porting from MS SQL to MySQL


  Unless they are saying they doubt that mySQL is upto, it so it's no good
  quoting.  They may have a room full of SQLServer people twiddling their
  thumbs in which case I agree with you, they are not bucking for the
customer
  here.  On the other hand they have very real doubts that mySQL is upto
the
  job; they may be wrong on this last point, but at least they are being
  honest in their beliefs.  Who knows!

 This doesn't make much sense.  If they're being honest and they believe
 MySQL can't handle it, why would they offer to port it to MySQL for 18,000
 euro?


I don't know.  Perhaps they are offering not just to port to mySQL but
redesign the bits that they believed made an impractical initial mySQL
installation. Perhaps 'impractical' because of time and MSSQL would be
faster.  Perhaps impractical because the CEO is shagging the marketing
manager of MSSQL and didn't want to upset her.  We don't know!!!  My point
is that the originator of the question didn't seem to have a clear idea of
what was being offered for E18k but that could be an entirely reasonable bid
for the work and application required.  Just because it looks like a 'big
number' doesn't mean that isn't what it will cost.  All of a bit of a futile
argument really without knowing a lot more.

Tony




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Re: Spam - a possible cause ?

2002-01-13 Thread Tony Buckley


- Original Message -
From: Marjolein Katsma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [RegSoft/mysql]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; MySQL
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: Spam - a possible cause ?


 Matthew,

snip
 Spam is people not interested in MySQL at all posting a Business
opportunity (Dear mysql, Join today for FREE and a chance to win a $100
Shopping Spree at The DHS Club Outlet Center!) or Golden Investment
Opportunity or Great Growth Potential stock scams.


Marjolein,

They sound like great opportunities.  Do you have any more info?

Tony



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Re: user / pwd access to db driven website

2002-01-07 Thread Tony Buckley

Why don't you forget about the automated subscription service and use the
phone or email to get the money in.  Once you have your 5-10+ subscriptions
up and running then you can upgrade properly and then get your shopping cart
or whatever.

Presumably you'll also want to use a different userID/password per user and
track what they are doing so you'll need a completely new set of
infrastructure tables and the backend code to maintain them.

Another idea if your technical skills aren't yet upto the job would be to
put the data onto CD and just send that out to the early customers;  the
data doesn't sound that volatile and web delivery may not be the best way.

All the above would also give you a much earlier idea of whether this will
be a success or not.  Very few sites that ask for money for information are
a success and if just five subscribers will bank roll you a new platform
then your prices are clearly not a couple of pence per access.

Good luck,

Tony


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From: Investor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 5:49 PM
Subject: user / pwd access to db driven website


 HI all,

 I would be extremely appreciative with solution
 suggestions to the problem I am having.

 I really could use some help right now !!

 I am trying to get a database driven website up and
 running that has some amount of security on it (which
 i intend to make progresively better).  It needs
 user/pwd access to a database of info, after a
 subscription fee is paid.

 Currently I am having trouble setting up the basic
 structure.

 By the way this is a starup company, and only 5- 10
 subscriptions would fund much better software /
 hardware / server for the site.  So my goal is to set
 up something inexpensive to get those 5 or so
 subscriptions.

 Attempt No. 1:
 I setup a test site ( virtual hosting I think it is
 called) that utilizes perl  ms access.  It works oK
 except I didn't get the user/pwd thing working. It has
 pwd protected directories - however they told me
 queries will not work with the pwd protected directory
 insalled.  Technical support is very slow in
 responding.  And I didn't figure out how to provide
 the needed security mentioned above.

 Currently I have been reading about mysql and just
 installed it on windows 98.  I am open to changing
 over to linux based systems.  However I would like to
 create the tempory site to get a few subsciptions
 prior to forking out the funds.

 So finally now that you guys know my situation can you
 please make some suggestions as to how to get the
 temporary site up ( to get 5 subscriptions or so) and
 I think I coudl painfully, over time, work on a site
 that could handle much more.

 Information:
 The database would be text only, less than 1 GB !
 Right now I think it is at 5 MB but will increase.  I
 am familar with perl 5.6 and ms access.
 Budget:  Shoe string budget for now.

 :)
 I would greatly appreciate assistance
 I am sure many of you dealt with this type of
 situation before.









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 Regards,

 Investorclb

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Re: Multiples instances of MySQL

2001-12-30 Thread Tony Buckley

See manual section 4.1.4.


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From: Emmanuel van der Meulen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:47 AM
Subject: Multiples instances of MySQL


 Hello all,
 
 Could someone please advise, what is the procedure to start and run more
 than one instance of MySQL?
 
 Kind regards
 Emmanuel
 
 
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Smalltalk and mySQL

2001-12-14 Thread Tony Buckley

Anyone have any experience of using mySQL within Smalltalk servers on a
unix/linux platform?

Any decent links?  I am just exploring this now as I have heard there is now
a Smalltalk mod for Apache.  This sounds like a fun combination to play
with!

thanks,

Tony



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Re: MySQL Searchable Mailing List Archive now up.

2001-12-14 Thread Tony Buckley


- Original Message - 
From: Robert Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:19 PM
Subject: MySQL Searchable Mailing List Archive now up.


 So, being ahem 'between contracts' right now, I decided finally to 
 write one.  I've actually been keeping an archive of the MySQL list 
 for quite a while in anticipation of doing this some day.  Just doin' 
 my bit...
 
 The archive is at http://archive.workmate.ca/myarchive
 

Simply fabulous! Thanks!

Tony
 


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Re: [OT] A News Group Perhaps.

2001-12-12 Thread Tony Buckley

Hi Matt,

I am sure this has been said before so my apologies if I bore!

Most mail clients let you setup rules.  For the mySQL list I automatically
redirect all messages into a separate folder based on the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
email address.  This creates a fabulous resource that can be searched (title
and text) and can be read or ignored by choice.

I am not a great fan of Newsgroups - they get spammed too much and messages
get lost or archived.  Some ISPs carry them, some don't.  All too hit and
miss for a resource on which I rely and am very grateful for.

Tony


- Original Message -
From: Matthew Darcy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:58 AM
Subject: RE: A News Group Perhaps.




 Hi,

 I was wondering if the mysql list had any plans to be put onto a news
group.
 I
 have only been a memeber a short time but I have found %50 of the
 information to be usefull. This does however mean that %50 is does not
apply
 to me at this time.

 Due to this I get a lot of emails that are of no use to me at the moment.

 I would be keen to talk about hosting this list as a news group to make it
 browsable so myself and others could pick out infromation that is usefull
to
 me at this time. The email list could stay for mass contributions but I
 would rather just browse for information I need.

 Any thoughts on this ?

 Thanks,

 Matt.



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Re: From Oracle to the MySQL Database Server

2001-12-09 Thread Tony Buckley

Hi Arjen,

- Original Message -
From: Arjen G. Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tony Buckley [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: From Oracle to the MySQL Database Server



 But eh, what are those gripes about transactions and locking?
 Are you aware that the MySQL server with the InnoDB table handler (since
over
 a year now!) features full transactional capabilities including row level
 locking? You just need to grab a 3.23-Max version, or compile 3.23 from
 source, or any 4.0 version.
 For more info on the InnoDB table handler, see
 http://www.mysql.com/doc/I/n/InnoDB.html in the online manual.


Yep, I do know about that and I was wrong not to mention it.  It's just
something that I haven't set up to use yet because I don't 'need' it as
another level of complexity (at the moment).  I love the idea of being able
to choose whether I want it or not.  For what I am doing at the moment I
really don't need it - a few hanging FK's or missing children won't bother
me as I am dealing with statistical analysis and as long as the failures are
within tolerence than that's fine!  It's just so fast compared to what I
have been using!

When I said 'gripes', I didn't mean mine - there are the usual knockers who
probably haven't looked at page 1 of the manual let alone tried the system.
I have come across experienced database people who get very snotty when they
find out about transactional processing not being inherent in mySQL even
though there are some very commercial systems out there that have the same
approach to get the speed they need.  People's attitudes (especially those
with an Oracle background IMHO) are very hard to change.

Thanks for adding to my misleading note.

Are there any highend figures to estimate the performance hit by using
InnoDB across the platforms?

Tony



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Re: IN keyword supported?

2001-12-09 Thread Tony Buckley

Hi Bennett,

- Original Message -
From: Bennett Haselton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:31 PM
Subject: IN keyword supported?


 I'm trying to use the IN operator as described in my databases textbook
 from college.  This query:

 select count(*) from user where user.ID in (select ID from user);

 is supposed to evaluate to count the number of rows in the 'user' table
 where the ID field is in the set of all ID field values in the 'user'
 table (in other words, just a roundabout way of counting the rows in the
 'user' table, written solely to demonstrate the IN keyword).

 There doesn't seem to be a syntax error in that example, but MySQL gives
 the error:

 ERROR 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax near 'select ID from
 user)' at line 1

 Is the IN keyword not supported in MySQL, or am I using it wrong?


Subqueries are not supported in mySQL.  Have to rewrite it with a
combination of outer joins to do the same thing.

Have a look at section 1.7.4.1 in the manual.

Tony



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Re: Annoying article about MySql

2001-12-08 Thread Tony Buckley

snipped

 I used Oracle8i before (under very heavy load) and did not have any
problems
 there. I am now using MySql under not so heavy load and have not yet had
any
 problems with it, but just want to be prepared when and if they come
along.


Oracle 8i rel 3 enterprise edition - 28,000 pounds sterling.  mySQL -
freeish.

Coming from an Oracle background,  I started off hating mySQL.  So far, I
have only 'played' with it, but now have enough confidence to start using it
for real.  It is super fast and my test loads (as much as I can throw at it
from several machines/sources/threads) have yet to fail.  Does the job very
nicely. Yes there are the usual gripes about views, transactional
processing, and locking, but if you know about these at the design stage
they can be managed.  I'm a fan!

Tony








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