Re: License question on libmysql.dll and C/C++ API Version 4.0 question about Victoria Reznichenko response

2012-06-18 Thread Shawn Green

Hello Claudia,

On 6/18/2012 2:13 PM, Claudia Murialdo wrote:

Hello,
Y read this message: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql/109590 and I would like
to ask for authorization but I donĀ“t see the email address in that thread
(it says: sales@stripped).
Can someone tell me that email address?.

Thanks in advance.
Claudia.



That link is 10 years old and that address is no longer valid. MySQL has 
been bought twice since then once directly by Sun Microsystems then 
again when Oracle purchased Sun. Your current questions need to be asked 
to Oracle.


These numbers will route you to the appropriate resources
http://www.oracle.com/us/support/contact-068555.html

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Re: license question

2005-03-31 Thread Michael Satterwhite
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| MySql loses money from many vendors on this very point.  Of which they do
| not budge.
|
| We have a Point of Sale software company who can distribute Oracle
cheaper.
| They only require a percentage of the final product price that their
product
| is packaged with.  When the company explained they would rather use
MySql an
| pay them the same rates MySql refused.
I'm sure there's a good answer for this, but I must be dense.
In this scenario, why did you go to Oracle instead of PostgreSQL?
Oracle = Pay percentage of final price
PostgreSql = Free
The times I've used PostgreSql, it's seemed a good product. Am I missing
something?
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Re: license question

2005-03-31 Thread Mark Matthews
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Daevid Vincent wrote:
> As my company and I understand it, if you intend on distributing mySQL on
> this appliance and the appliance is a sealed box with your own proprietary
> code (like PHP or C or Java or whatever) that interfaces to the
> STOCK/Untouched RDBMS, you NEED a mySQL Commercial License. 
> 
> This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely
> unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! I mean, I don't mind paying
> someone for their work, but I was thinking more like $50 per unit, not > 10
> times that.
[snip]

Daevid,

The pricing you quote is for someone who is buying servers for their own
business' use (i.e. 'enterprises'), and includes support, knowledge base
access, alerts, etc., which is all part of a package called MySQL Network.

If you're an ISV/OEM that wants to include MySQL in your product, you
should contact [EMAIL PROTECTED], because the is dramatically different,
but is negotiated per-situation based on the pricing model and revenue
you'd be generating with your software.

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Re: license question

2005-03-31 Thread Gleb Paharenko
Hello.



The complete answer could only be obtained from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 





Pat Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Suppose i distribute MySQL-4.1 with an appliance,

> which is a sealed x86 machine running a Linux

> distribution made by another entity (ok, it's Red

> Hat). I don't write any code that's directly linked to

> MySQL, I'm only using the existing php-mysql, etc.,

> packages already provided by the distribution, plus

> some third-party apps that are under GPL and link to

> MySQL (applications that access MySQL, not written by

> me, but are Open Source GPL projects off SourceForge

> and other places - i just bundle them with the

> appliance).

> Any code that I write personally is PHP and sits on

> top of the php-mysql module provided by Red Hat.

> 

> The end-user has no direct visibility to the database,

> in fact, the end-user might never know it's MySQL -

> all that is visible is the PHP interface, via Apache.

> 

> In this case, what's the license? Is MySQL still free

> (under GPL)?

> 



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RE: license question

2005-03-30 Thread Pat Ballard
--- Daevid Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As my company and I understand it, if you intend on
> distributing mySQL on
> this appliance and the appliance is a sealed box

yes

> with your own proprietary
> code (like PHP or C or Java or whatever) that
> interfaces to the
> STOCK/Untouched RDBMS

It's like this:

my_code <--> stock PHP/Apache <--> stock MySQL

> you NEED a mySQL Commercial
> License.

wowza! :-(

> This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which
> makes it completely
> unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!!

Well, it means your profit per unit (not counting SQL
expenses) must be significantly higher than $600
Not easy, given the fierce competition in the current
market.

> If someone from mySQL can clarify that would be
> great

I agree that the license is murky. That's why i
actually asked mysql.com a question through "official"
channels. I'm waiting their response.

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RE: license question

2005-03-30 Thread Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
Hi Folks,

Take a deep breath and see how much an Oracle license is for a Solaris
box with 4 cpus, AFAIK start looking in the thousands of dollars. Try
SQL server, Sybase or Informix. None of the above mentioned are
particularly cheap, some of these are costing over $595.00 per seat not
per unit. 

IMHO $595.00 for an unlimited user configuration is not bad at all.
Granted most users tend to be in the X86 world where hardware is cheap
but lets look at the commercial reality of it all, $595.00 is not that
bad considering the general backup and support along with the feature
set that you receive. BTW it is only $295.00 if you don't want InnoDB.

Regards

David Logan
Database Administrator
HP Managed Services
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-Original Message-
From: Daevid Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 31 March 2005 3:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Pat Ballard'; mysql@lists.mysql.com
Subject: RE: license question

Yeah. It's silly. The whole hardware x86 1U rack mount we use with
2.4Ghz
proc, 256MB, 40GB HD, dual Gbps NICs is only $500. I don't know what
crack
the mySQL AB guys are smoking to think that they are competitive. We've
already started to wrap our product SQL calls in our own API so we can
migrate to Postgress (or something with an acceptable license). 

> -Original Message-
> MySql loses money from many vendors on this very point.  Of 
> which they do not budge.
> 
> We have a Point of Sale software company who can distribute 
> Oracle cheaper.
> They only require a percentage of the final product price 
> that their product
> is packaged with.  When the company explained they would 
> rather use MySql an pay them the same rates MySql refused.

> This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely
> unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! I mean, I don't 
> mind paying
> someone for their work, but I was thinking more like $50 per 
> unit, not > 10 times that.


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RE: license question

2005-03-30 Thread Daevid Vincent
Yeah. It's silly. The whole hardware x86 1U rack mount we use with 2.4Ghz
proc, 256MB, 40GB HD, dual Gbps NICs is only $500. I don't know what crack
the mySQL AB guys are smoking to think that they are competitive. We've
already started to wrap our product SQL calls in our own API so we can
migrate to Postgress (or something with an acceptable license). 

> -Original Message-
> MySql loses money from many vendors on this very point.  Of 
> which they do not budge.
> 
> We have a Point of Sale software company who can distribute 
> Oracle cheaper.
> They only require a percentage of the final product price 
> that their product
> is packaged with.  When the company explained they would 
> rather use MySql an pay them the same rates MySql refused.

> This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely
> unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! I mean, I don't 
> mind paying
> someone for their work, but I was thinking more like $50 per 
> unit, not > 10 times that.


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RE: license question

2005-03-30 Thread gunmuse
MySql loses money from many vendors on this very point.  Of which they do
not budge.

We have a Point of Sale software company who can distribute Oracle cheaper.
They only require a percentage of the final product price that their product
is packaged with.  When the company explained they would rather use MySql an
pay them the same rates MySql refused.

Thanks
Donny Lairson
President
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http://www.gunmuse.com
469 228 2183


-Original Message-
From: Daevid Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:18 PM
To: 'Pat Ballard'; mysql@lists.mysql.com
Subject: RE: license question


As my company and I understand it, if you intend on distributing mySQL on
this appliance and the appliance is a sealed box with your own proprietary
code (like PHP or C or Java or whatever) that interfaces to the
STOCK/Untouched RDBMS, you NEED a mySQL Commercial License.

This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely
unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! I mean, I don't mind paying
someone for their work, but I was thinking more like $50 per unit, not > 10
times that.

If someone from mySQL can clarify that would be great, but this is how I
read the license and that's why we've stuck to v4.0.18 which was GPL.

http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/opensource-license.html

"Our software is 100% GPL (General Public License); if yours is 100% GPL
compliant, then you have no obligation to pay us for the licenses. "

"Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute. As long as you
never distribute the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for
powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under
GPL license or not."

"If you are a private individual you are free to use MySQL software for your
personal applications as long as you do not distribute them. If you
distribute them, you must make a decision between the Commercial License and
the GPL."


http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/commercial-license.html

"Building a hardware system that includes MySQL and selling that hardware
system to customers for installation at their own locations."

"If you include the MySQL server with an application that is not licensed
under the GPL or GPL-compatible license, you need a commercial license for
the MySQL server."



> -Original Message-
> From: Pat Ballard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:03 PM
> To: mysql@lists.mysql.com
> Subject: license question
>
> Suppose i distribute MySQL-4.1 with an appliance,
> which is a sealed x86 machine running a Linux
> distribution made by another entity (ok, it's Red
> Hat). I don't write any code that's directly linked to
> MySQL, I'm only using the existing php-mysql, etc.,
> packages already provided by the distribution, plus
> some third-party apps that are under GPL and link to
> MySQL (applications that access MySQL, not written by
> me, but are Open Source GPL projects off SourceForge
> and other places - i just bundle them with the
> appliance).
> Any code that I write personally is PHP and sits on
> top of the php-mysql module provided by Red Hat.
>
> The end-user has no direct visibility to the database,
> in fact, the end-user might never know it's MySQL -
> all that is visible is the PHP interface, via Apache.
>
> In this case, what's the license? Is MySQL still free
> (under GPL)?
>
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RE: license question

2005-03-30 Thread Daevid Vincent
As my company and I understand it, if you intend on distributing mySQL on
this appliance and the appliance is a sealed box with your own proprietary
code (like PHP or C or Java or whatever) that interfaces to the
STOCK/Untouched RDBMS, you NEED a mySQL Commercial License. 

This license is a ridiculous $600 per unit which makes it completely
unrealistic for any large scale deployment!!! I mean, I don't mind paying
someone for their work, but I was thinking more like $50 per unit, not > 10
times that.

If someone from mySQL can clarify that would be great, but this is how I
read the license and that's why we've stuck to v4.0.18 which was GPL. 

http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/opensource-license.html

"Our software is 100% GPL (General Public License); if yours is 100% GPL
compliant, then you have no obligation to pay us for the licenses. "

"Free use for those who never copy, modify or distribute. As long as you
never distribute the MySQL Software in any way, you are free to use it for
powering your application, irrespective of whether your application is under
GPL license or not."

"If you are a private individual you are free to use MySQL software for your
personal applications as long as you do not distribute them. If you
distribute them, you must make a decision between the Commercial License and
the GPL."


http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/commercial-license.html

"Building a hardware system that includes MySQL and selling that hardware
system to customers for installation at their own locations."

"If you include the MySQL server with an application that is not licensed
under the GPL or GPL-compatible license, you need a commercial license for
the MySQL server."



> -Original Message-
> From: Pat Ballard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:03 PM
> To: mysql@lists.mysql.com
> Subject: license question
> 
> Suppose i distribute MySQL-4.1 with an appliance,
> which is a sealed x86 machine running a Linux
> distribution made by another entity (ok, it's Red
> Hat). I don't write any code that's directly linked to
> MySQL, I'm only using the existing php-mysql, etc.,
> packages already provided by the distribution, plus
> some third-party apps that are under GPL and link to
> MySQL (applications that access MySQL, not written by
> me, but are Open Source GPL projects off SourceForge
> and other places - i just bundle them with the
> appliance).
> Any code that I write personally is PHP and sits on
> top of the php-mysql module provided by Red Hat.
> 
> The end-user has no direct visibility to the database,
> in fact, the end-user might never know it's MySQL -
> all that is visible is the PHP interface, via Apache.
> 
> In this case, what's the license? Is MySQL still free
> (under GPL)?
> 
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Re: license question

2005-03-30 Thread Pat Ballard
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I thought that was discussed before over and over on
> this mailinglist. I
> am surprised that many people have isues with that
> topic.

Well...
1. Licensing in general can be quite confusing for a
non-lawyer geek
2. I want to make 101% sure I don't take any wrong
steps before hitting the market.

> 1) Will you include and ditsribute the source code
> and the changes (if
> any) and the GPL license in your product ?

The MySQL source code, you mean?
Well, it's a sealed appliance, a "black box" from the
customer's p.o.v. (duh, think of it as a VCR or a
toaster), but sure, i can throw in a CD with source
code and stuff if it's necessary.

I don't plan to make any changes or write any code
that even remotely touches MySQL. The only connection
between the code that I write and MySQL is via
php-mysql / httpd

> If yes, than you DONT need a commercial license.
> if NO, (in other words you dont want to publish any
> changes you made to
> the code) then you need a commercial license.

I'm not making any changes to MySQL whatsoever.

> 2) Are you selling the product or a service ?
> 
> If you are trying to sell the customer the very same
> MySQL product for $$
> that he can download, then you must be good at
> sales, no questions asked.

Same reasoning would apply to the hundreds, if not
thousands other appliances currently on the market
which are also running Linux (which is also something
that the customer can download for free). Are all of
those companies just "good at sales"?
Case in point: the Linksys routers which everyone owns
and which run Linux.

My appliance is the same. It just happens it needs a
SQL backend. Might be MySQL. Might be PostgreSQL if
either/or it's faster in my particular case or more
liberally licensed than MySQL (which are things I'm
still investigating). Might be something else. 

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Re: license question

2005-03-30 Thread valentin_nils
Hi Pat,

I thought that was discussed before over and over on this mailinglist. I
am surprised that many people have isues with that topic. Basically it
boils down to 2 questions.

1) Will you include and ditsribute the source code and the changes (if
any) and the GPL license in your product ?

If yes, than you DONT need a commercial license.
if NO, (in other words you dont want to publish any changes you made to
the code) then you need a commercial license.

2) Are you selling the product or a service ?

If you are trying to sell the customer the very same MySQL product for $$
that he can download, then you must be good at sales, no questions asked.

If you are selling a service (Consulting, Installation and setup etc. than
you also dont need a commercial license ( + same as under 1 applies).


Summary: You only need the commercial license if you change the code and
want to distribute it as closed source.


You can however at any time make a support contract or buy a commercial
license to show your gratitude for the MySQL guys.
That is usually a nice gesture, gets you support and backup when you need
it and last but not least makes you feel good (peace of mind ;-).


I hope that makes things clearer.


Nils Valentin
Tokyo / Japan

http://www.be-known-online.com




> Suppose i distribute MySQL-4.1 with an appliance,
> which is a sealed x86 machine running a Linux
> distribution made by another entity (ok, it's Red
> Hat). I don't write any code that's directly linked to
> MySQL, I'm only using the existing php-mysql, etc.,
> packages already provided by the distribution, plus
> some third-party apps that are under GPL and link to
> MySQL (applications that access MySQL, not written by
> me, but are Open Source GPL projects off SourceForge
> and other places - i just bundle them with the
> appliance).
> Any code that I write personally is PHP and sits on
> top of the php-mysql module provided by Red Hat.
>
> The end-user has no direct visibility to the database,
> in fact, the end-user might never know it's MySQL -
> all that is visible is the PHP interface, via Apache.
>
> In this case, what's the license? Is MySQL still free
> (under GPL)?
>
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Re: License question

2004-09-13 Thread Egor Egorov
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Re: License question

2004-09-09 Thread Santino
At 16:30 -0700 9-09-2004, Mauricio Pellegrini wrote:
Hi,
Sorry to ask this in here. If it's not the right place please ignore the
post.
I want to know if someone could claim a license upon an application wich
was developed using Php and a non-commercially-licensed copy of MySql.
I mean, the application is designed to work only with MySql as database
engine and the MySql package delivered with the application, is licensed
under GPL.
Could the developer claim License rights upon the use of such a
combination ?
Thanks
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Yes
GPL said that the source code must be delivered with the application 
(or it is available as FTP, mail, ...).
The user can distribute the application without asking for a fee.
About two years ago I read a FAQ that asserts about a moderate costs.
The license is more restrictive about copyright and distribution but 
it doesn't contain any money issue.
If you have some question you can write to gnu.org or you can report an abuse.
See http://www.gnu.org

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Re: License question

2003-02-19 Thread Max ItDoesNotMatter
Thank you KH 

I think that statistics information might
become important part of our system, so it is safer to
buy license or have a look on others RDBMS.

> As far as I know, if you only require MySQL as an
> option or just an added 
> features, your company do not need to purchase a
> license.
> 
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Re: License question

2003-02-19 Thread KH Chiu
As far as I know, if you only require MySQL as an option or just an added 
features, your company do not need to purchase a license.

KH

> > Otherwise, you may ask whether MySQL is an option or
> > not. It means that if 
> > your logs and related information can go to other
> > mean such as a text file 
> > then you are no need to buy license.
> 
> In theory we can find option for any db appliance,
> let say, we can store data in regular files. 
> 
> > 
> > However, if your program can't run without MySQL
> > database, I think license 
> > will be required.
> 
> I can for example, use PostgreSQL, but main key for me
> is to have multiplatform database. 
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Re: License question

2003-02-19 Thread Max ItDoesNotMatter
> Otherwise, you may ask whether MySQL is an option or
> not. It means that if 
> your logs and related information can go to other
> mean such as a text file 
> then you are no need to buy license.

In theory we can find option for any db appliance,
let say, we can store data in regular files. 

> 
> However, if your program can't run without MySQL
> database, I think license 
> will be required.

I can for example, use PostgreSQL, but main key for me
is to have multiplatform database. 


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Re: License question

2003-02-19 Thread Max ItDoesNotMatter
> Otherwise, you may ask whether MySQL is an option or
> not. It means that if 
> your logs and related information can go to other
> mean such as a text file 
> then you are no need to buy license.

In theory we can find option for any db appliance,
let say, we can store data in regular files. 

> 
> However, if your program can't run without MySQL
> database, I think license 
> will be required.

I can for example, use PostgreSQL, but main key for me
is to have multiplatform database. 


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Re: License question

2003-02-18 Thread KH Chiu
First of all, I am not mysql person and I would like to share my personal 
understanding only.

If your program is under GNU's GPL (ie. free open source software) you can 
use MySQL right away. There is no need to buy license.

Otherwise, you may ask whether MySQL is an option or not. It means that if 
your logs and related information can go to other mean such as a text file 
then you are no need to buy license.

However, if your program can't run without MySQL database, I think license 
will be required.

Regards,


> My company develops commercial project which is close
> to well know ICQ but has slightly different appliance.
> 
> Can I use MYSQL for storing list of users, collecting
> some statistics, logs and other related information or
> 
> I have to buy license? 
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Re: license question on libmysql.dll and C/C++ API

2002-05-20 Thread Victoria Reznichenko

babylonian,
Sunday, May 19, 2002, 10:04:00 PM, you wrote:

bgn> I have a question on license of MySQL C API or MySQL++ API, and
bgn> libmysql.

[hardly skipped]

bgn> Is there any good way, or any misconception in my understanding of
bgn> libmysql license? Any idea is welcome, but please don't suggest
bgn> embracing entire GPL... if it's not possible, then I'll quit touching
bgn> MySQL and will start to look PostgreSQL.

If you use 3.23 libmysql, you need no licences.
For 4.0, you should write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask for authorization.

bgn> -- Linsey KISANJANI




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