Re: PHP bias
That was a really silly message to send. I hope that in 10 years when you've experienced some stuff, you look upon this message and realize how silly it was and learn not to send such silly stuff. Try not to be so silly in a technical forum. The people in this list do some technically useful things and usually are not really silly. Your message was technically not useful, _and_ really silly. Hope you're getting the point. Let's try not to be _silly_. Doesn't help people around here. PHP is fine. Perl is fine. ASP/VBSCRIPT/.NET are silly. Again, Perl is OK. So is PHP. No stones... no aspersions. Don't be silly... Just develop your stuff. That's okay. Perl advocacy in the MySQL list: ot and... that's what I'm talking about: silly :) Best Regards, Van -- = Linux rocks!!! http://www.dedserius.com/ = Robert Macwange wrote: I am bothers me. It bothers me that that the MySQL people have a bias towards PHP. PHP is an inferior language. Deal with perl instead. Robert - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: PHP bias
Can't you use the DBI module to access more kind of databases with their corresponding DBD modules, like DBD::mysql, for example? It is pretty easy in Perl also. Teddy, Teddy's Center: http://teddy.fcc.ro/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Paul DuBois [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MySQL Mailinglist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 9:04 AM Subject: Re: PHP bias I am bothers me. It bothers me that that the MySQL people have a bias towards PHP. PHP is an inferior language. Deal with perl instead. Robert Ouch.Death to all fanatics!!! Do you have any question or are you just boiling? It's just that MySQL and PHP integrate together so well. The authors of PHP have gone to great lengths to create extensive interfaces to a wide range of databases, not just MySQL. perl doesn't have anything like as much database support, which is why PHP has become popular in the web community. I agree. It's really a drag that you can't use databases very well from within Perl very easily. I wish that someone would invent a database inferface for Perl. And it'd be really cool if they'd do it in such a way that the general interface was portable, so that you could plug in drivers for particular database engines like MySQL or PostgreSQL or Oracle or Informix or even flat-file formats like CSV. And then it'd be neat if someone would invent Perl modules to that would use this database interface so that you could do things like transfer data in and out of databases to send information to and from entities like XML documents or Excel spreadsheets. Man! The more I think about it, the more of a bummer it is that you just can't do this stuff from Perl. - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: PHP bias (Way OT)
Paul: Not sure why my post didn't cc to the list, originally. I think I picked up on your tone, but the one thing I had intended to add was the dynamic that the more I do this stuff, the more I find myself just having to get over some of the more ugly and cludged implementations due to limitations in what our end-users/clients are willing to let us do. In other words: who cares. They'll never really look at it that closely and if another developer comes in several years later to make any changes/enhancements, they'll probably just do a rewrite. Once upon a time, I thought you could code elegantly, and C/C++ is about the only realm in which I see this to still be possible. PHP/ASP and _especially!!!_ ColdFusion are impossible to write elegant and easy to document code, but I think PHP is the best of these evils since it has such a huge function set. ASP is worthless for other reasons, and CF is just disgusting to look at. I _realize_ Perl is fast, and powerful. I really _do_ realize that. But, it's ugly. It looks like Snoopy swearing characters, and you can talk (write) about how it's elegant until you're blue in the face, but show it to a CIO/CFO and they'll tell you it's ugly, and they're quite correct. But, people program in it extensively, and do great things with it; it's just ugly. And, so are most implementations. In a perfect world, everyone would use C/C++, but they don't and I don't care. I'll use it if I choose to. I'll use Perl to do quick and dirty things. And, I'll code ColdFusion if someone is offering me money to do so. At the end of the day, no programming/technology is pretty; where are those beer nuts. And, BTW, clearly there's no one better equipped to point out your original thoughts on what _can_ be done in Perl. --mysql, table, drop, explain, database-- Best Regards, Van -- = Linux rocks!!! http://www.dedserius.com/ = Paul DuBois wrote: (some stuff I snipped) http://www.kitebird.com/mysql-perl/ You can do all these things from perl. Or PHP, or CF, or ASP. Just pass your variables to an external web-server running it's own proprietary web database and you'll get what you need. Sorry; am I speaking out of step, here? We all do this... I run MySQL on my own servers, but my clients are still pretty thick-headed... they use M$Access and ColdFusion. And, I can still drop and add columns through a web-interface. It's very ugly, but it still works. Is there anyone here making a living that doesn't have to work through such interface-specific things? Didn't think so; but, in a perfect world, we'd all be doing things ANSI SQL 92... Whatever... pass the beer nuts. :) Van - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: PHP bias (Way OT)
I agree mostly,... but why is ASP worthless? Alan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:vanboers;why.dedserius.com]On Behalf Of Van Sent: Monday, 11 November 2002 6:21 To: Paul DuBois Cc: MySQL Subject: Re: PHP bias (Way OT) Paul: Not sure why my post didn't cc to the list, originally. I think I picked up on your tone, but the one thing I had intended to add was the dynamic that the more I do this stuff, the more I find myself just having to get over some of the more ugly and cludged implementations due to limitations in what our end-users/clients are willing to let us do. In other words: who cares. They'll never really look at it that closely and if another developer comes in several years later to make any changes/enhancements, they'll probably just do a rewrite. Once upon a time, I thought you could code elegantly, and C/C++ is about the only realm in which I see this to still be possible. PHP/ASP and _especially!!!_ ColdFusion are impossible to write elegant and easy to document code, but I think PHP is the best of these evils since it has such a huge function set. ASP is worthless for other reasons, and CF is just disgusting to look at. I _realize_ Perl is fast, and powerful. I really _do_ realize that. But, it's ugly. It looks like Snoopy swearing characters, and you can talk (write) about how it's elegant until you're blue in the face, but show it to a CIO/CFO and they'll tell you it's ugly, and they're quite correct. But, people program in it extensively, and do great things with it; it's just ugly. And, so are most implementations. In a perfect world, everyone would use C/C++, but they don't and I don't care. I'll use it if I choose to. I'll use Perl to do quick and dirty things. And, I'll code ColdFusion if someone is offering me money to do so. At the end of the day, no programming/technology is pretty; where are those beer nuts. And, BTW, clearly there's no one better equipped to point out your original thoughts on what _can_ be done in Perl. --mysql, table, drop, explain, database-- Best Regards, Van -- = Linux rocks!!! http://www.dedserius.com/ = Paul DuBois wrote: (some stuff I snipped) http://www.kitebird.com/mysql-perl/ You can do all these things from perl. Or PHP, or CF, or ASP. Just pass your variables to an external web-server running it's own proprietary web database and you'll get what you need. Sorry; am I speaking out of step, here? We all do this... I run MySQL on my own servers, but my clients are still pretty thick-headed... they use M$Access and ColdFusion. And, I can still drop and add columns through a web-interface. It's very ugly, but it still works. Is there anyone here making a living that doesn't have to work through such interface-specific things? Didn't think so; but, in a perfect world, we'd all be doing things ANSI SQL 92... Whatever... pass the beer nuts. :) Van - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: PHP bias (Way OT)
Alan: ASP only runs on Windows. Windows2000 and beyond mandate the Supplemental EULA (as of SP3 on Win2K) that grants M$ blanket authority to modify your machine in any way M$ sees fit. For this reason (because you no longer have full control over your machine) you can't do the following: C3 Security Certification; HIPAA Compliance; http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/09/16/020916opwinman.xml If your OS can't be certified, clearly your applications can't either. Designing using Windows or anything that touches it is flawed. Don't flame me; I already admitted it's OT. But, since the DOJ and the current administration refuse to enforce the law on M$, someone must. Hopefully, you guys across the drink can assist us coders in the U.S. to rid the planet of this useless software company before there's no longer any reason to code... Regards, Van sql,query -- = Linux rocks!!! http://www.dedserius.com/ = Alan McDonald wrote: I agree mostly,... but why is ASP worthless? Alan - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: PHP bias (Way OT)
asp can do allot of client side possibly security risky stuff where php cant -Original Message- From: Alan McDonald [mailto:alan;meta.com.au] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 7:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Paul DuBois Cc: MySQL Subject: RE: PHP bias (Way OT) I agree mostly,... but why is ASP worthless? Alan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:vanboers;why.dedserius.com]On Behalf Of Van Sent: Monday, 11 November 2002 6:21 To: Paul DuBois Cc: MySQL Subject: Re: PHP bias (Way OT) Paul: Not sure why my post didn't cc to the list, originally. I think I picked up on your tone, but the one thing I had intended to add was the dynamic that the more I do this stuff, the more I find myself just having to get over some of the more ugly and cludged implementations due to limitations in what our end-users/clients are willing to let us do. In other words: who cares. They'll never really look at it that closely and if another developer comes in several years later to make any changes/enhancements, they'll probably just do a rewrite. Once upon a time, I thought you could code elegantly, and C/C++ is about the only realm in which I see this to still be possible. PHP/ASP and _especially!!!_ ColdFusion are impossible to write elegant and easy to document code, but I think PHP is the best of these evils since it has such a huge function set. ASP is worthless for other reasons, and CF is just disgusting to look at. I _realize_ Perl is fast, and powerful. I really _do_ realize that. But, it's ugly. It looks like Snoopy swearing characters, and you can talk (write) about how it's elegant until you're blue in the face, but show it to a CIO/CFO and they'll tell you it's ugly, and they're quite correct. But, people program in it extensively, and do great things with it; it's just ugly. And, so are most implementations. In a perfect world, everyone would use C/C++, but they don't and I don't care. I'll use it if I choose to. I'll use Perl to do quick and dirty things. And, I'll code ColdFusion if someone is offering me money to do so. At the end of the day, no programming/technology is pretty; where are those beer nuts. And, BTW, clearly there's no one better equipped to point out your original thoughts on what _can_ be done in Perl. --mysql, table, drop, explain, database-- Best Regards, Van -- = Linux rocks!!! http://www.dedserius.com/ = Paul DuBois wrote: (some stuff I snipped) http://www.kitebird.com/mysql-perl/ You can do all these things from perl. Or PHP, or CF, or ASP. Just pass your variables to an external web-server running it's own proprietary web database and you'll get what you need. Sorry; am I speaking out of step, here? We all do this... I run MySQL on my own servers, but my clients are still pretty thick-headed... they use M$Access and ColdFusion. And, I can still drop and add columns through a web-interface. It's very ugly, but it still works. Is there anyone here making a living that doesn't have to work through such interface-specific things? Didn't think so; but, in a perfect world, we'd all be doing things ANSI SQL 92... Whatever... pass the beer nuts. :) Van - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: PHP bias
My experience of MySQL is very recent. I only started using it a few weeks ago. I got great support from the list (Thanks !) when I had an initial problem specific to MySQL VARCHARand it's not just Perl and PHP that work. After I had my database created in the command line I downloaded the JDBC drivers and had Java working with the database in about 20 minuteit just worked. Now I'm off to rip out a commercial database (O***le) and replace it with MySQL. I also just got a copy of MySQLManager (EMS). That makes things very easy. FYI, I am independent, I am not affiliated at all with any company but my own. P/. On 11/9/02 11:31 PM, Georg Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 10 November 2002 14:12, Robert Macwange wrote: PHP is an inferior language. Deal with perl instead. Looks like you're not very familar with the spirit of Open Source: Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby etc. are very excellent languages. They all have benefits and of course some disadvantages. But this competition helps each one to improve and become more popular. The same with MySQL, Postgres, SleepyCat, ... etc. There is no better or inferior: Just define your needs and choose whats the best for you. Regards Georg - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: PHP bias (Way OT)
ever heard of chilliasp ? its been cross platform portable , its hooked in via java -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:vanboers;why.dedserius.com]On Behalf Of Van Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:01 AM To: MySQL Subject: Re: PHP bias (Way OT) Alan: ASP only runs on Windows. Windows2000 and beyond mandate the Supplemental EULA (as of SP3 on Win2K) that grants M$ blanket authority to modify your machine in any way M$ sees fit. For this reason (because you no longer have full control over your machine) you can't do the following: C3 Security Certification; HIPAA Compliance; http://www.infoworld.com/articles/op/xml/02/09/16/020916opwinman.xml If your OS can't be certified, clearly your applications can't either. Designing using Windows or anything that touches it is flawed. Don't flame me; I already admitted it's OT. But, since the DOJ and the current administration refuse to enforce the law on M$, someone must. Hopefully, you guys across the drink can assist us coders in the U.S. to rid the planet of this useless software company before there's no longer any reason to code... Regards, Van sql,query -- = Linux rocks!!! http://www.dedserius.com/ = Alan McDonald wrote: I agree mostly,... but why is ASP worthless? Alan - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: PHP bias (Way OT) -- and ASP on UNIX
Try Apache::ASP -- ASP syntax with mod_perl on Apache. http://www.nodeworks.com/asp/ We run a pretty busy database-driven web site with Apache::ASP and MySQL. I'm quite happy with it, as it gives us access to the massive collection of Perl modules, and enables us to use a single language for scripting, whether for web pages or for non-web utilities. Tom Haapanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Van [mailto:vanboers;dedserius.com] Sent: Sunday 10 November 2002 16:01 To: MySQL Subject: Re: PHP bias (Way OT) Alan: ASP only runs on Windows. [...] - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: PHP bias (Way OT)
From: Van [EMAIL PROTECTED] I _realize_ Perl is fast, and powerful... But, it's ugly... In a perfect world, everyone would use C/C++... Boy, talk about trolling! My vote for the most beautiful language is Smalltalk, followed by Objective C. Having experienced the real thing in OOP, I find all hybrids like C++ comparatively ugly. The purity of Smalltalk's object model, combined with the elegance and readability of infix notation and extremely simple precedence rules make well-written Smalltalk read like a book. One theory is that the language that one is first extensively exposed to becomes one's religious favorite. So I don't put a lot of faith in various mine is better arguments, which almost always are simply what I'm most familiar with is better arguments. But on the general theme that all things have advantages and disadvantages, I still think Smalltalk is the most beautiful language -- that's a pretty limited context within which to call something better or worse, but that's my theory and I'm sticking to it. :-) And this has nothing to do with SQL. -- : Jan Steinman -- nature Transography(TM): http://www.Bytesmiths.com : Bytesmiths -- artists' services: http://www.Bytesmiths.com/Services : Buy My Step Van! http://www.Bytesmiths.com/van - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: PHP bias
On 11/10/02 5:12 AM, Robert Macwange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am bothers me. It bothers me that that the MySQL people have a bias towards PHP. PHP is an inferior language. Deal with perl instead. Robert Ouch.Death to all fanatics!!! Do you have any question or are you just boiling? /h - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
RE: PHP bias
I'd suggest that he's just trolling. -Original Message- From: R. Hannes Niedner [mailto:hannes.niedner;gmx.net] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:27 PM To: MySQL Mailinglist Subject: Re: PHP bias On 11/10/02 5:12 AM, Robert Macwange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am bothers me. It bothers me that that the MySQL people have a bias towards PHP. PHP is an inferior language. Deal with perl instead. Robert Ouch.Death to all fanatics!!! Do you have any question or are you just boiling? /h - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: PHP bias
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 05:12:40AM -0800, Robert Macwange wrote: It bothers me that that the MySQL people have a bias towards PHP. They don't. -- Jeremy D. Zawodny | Perl, Web, MySQL, Linux Magazine, Yahoo! [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jeremy.zawodny.com/ MySQL 3.23.51: up 95 days, processed 2,004,958,987 queries (242/sec. avg) - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: PHP bias
On Sat, 9 Nov 2002, R. Hannes Niedner wrote: On 11/10/02 5:12 AM, Robert Macwange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am bothers me. It bothers me that that the MySQL people have a bias towards PHP. PHP is an inferior language. Deal with perl instead. Robert Ouch.Death to all fanatics!!! Do you have any question or are you just boiling? It's just that MySQL and PHP integrate together so well. The authors of PHP have gone to great lengths to create extensive interfaces to a wide range of databases, not just MySQL. perl doesn't have anything like as much database support, which is why PHP has become popular in the web community. Andy - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: PHP bias
On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 05:49:37AM +, andy thomas wrote: perl doesn't have anything like as much database support, which is why PHP has become popular in the web community. Oh, let's not go down this road. Perl and PHP both have excellent database support. And they're both incredibly popular in the web community. Can we stop this thread? Jeremy -- Jeremy D. Zawodny | Perl, Web, MySQL, Linux Magazine, Yahoo! [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jeremy.zawodny.com/ MySQL 3.23.51: up 95 days, processed 2,005,207,271 queries (241/sec. avg) - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: PHP bias
On Sunday 10 November 2002 14:12, Robert Macwange wrote: PHP is an inferior language. Deal with perl instead. Looks like you're not very familar with the spirit of Open Source: Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby etc. are very excellent languages. They all have benefits and of course some disadvantages. But this competition helps each one to improve and become more popular. The same with MySQL, Postgres, SleepyCat, ... etc. There is no better or inferior: Just define your needs and choose whats the best for you. Regards Georg - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: PHP bias Stop feeding the troll
On 11/9/02 11:31 PM, Georg Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like you're not very familar with the spirit of Open Source: Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby etc. are very excellent languages. They all have benefits and of course some disadvantages. But this competition helps each one to improve and become more popular. The same with MySQL, Postgres, SleepyCat, ... etc. There is no better or inferior: Just define your needs and choose whats the best for you. Regards Georg These are all valid points - There is lid for every pot e.g. language for every task but It has been said before the guy raising the thread was most likely a troll. So lets go back to business and answer real questions. :-)/h - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: PHP bias
I am bothers me. It bothers me that that the MySQL people have a bias towards PHP. PHP is an inferior language. Deal with perl instead. Robert Ouch.Death to all fanatics!!! Do you have any question or are you just boiling? It's just that MySQL and PHP integrate together so well. The authors of PHP have gone to great lengths to create extensive interfaces to a wide range of databases, not just MySQL. perl doesn't have anything like as much database support, which is why PHP has become popular in the web community. I agree. It's really a drag that you can't use databases very well from within Perl very easily. I wish that someone would invent a database inferface for Perl. And it'd be really cool if they'd do it in such a way that the general interface was portable, so that you could plug in drivers for particular database engines like MySQL or PostgreSQL or Oracle or Informix or even flat-file formats like CSV. And then it'd be neat if someone would invent Perl modules to that would use this database interface so that you could do things like transfer data in and out of databases to send information to and from entities like XML documents or Excel spreadsheets. Man! The more I think about it, the more of a bummer it is that you just can't do this stuff from Perl. - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: PHP bias
On 11/9/02 11:04 PM, Paul DuBois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. It's really a drag that you can't use databases very well from within Perl very easily. I wish that someone would invent a database inferface for Perl. And it'd be really cool if they'd do it in such a way that the general interface was portable, so that you could plug in drivers for particular database engines like MySQL or PostgreSQL or Oracle or Informix or even flat-file formats like CSV. And then it'd be neat if someone would invent Perl modules to that would use this database interface so that you could do things like transfer data in and out of databases to send information to and from entities like XML documents or Excel spreadsheets. Man! The more I think about it, the more of a bummer it is that you just can't do this stuff from Perl. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Though I think it is not really necessary - for anyone not getting it: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735710546/ref%3Dcm%5Fbg%5Fd/002-226 0661-0130404 /h - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
Re: PHP bias
On 11/9/02 11:04 PM, Paul DuBois [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. It's really a drag that you can't use databases very well from within Perl very easily. I wish that someone would invent a database inferface for Perl. And it'd be really cool if they'd do it in such a way that the general interface was portable, so that you could plug in drivers for particular database engines like MySQL or PostgreSQL or Oracle or Informix or even flat-file formats like CSV. And then it'd be neat if someone would invent Perl modules to that would use this database interface so that you could do things like transfer data in and out of databases to send information to and from entities like XML documents or Excel spreadsheets. Man! The more I think about it, the more of a bummer it is that you just can't do this stuff from Perl. :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Though I think it is not really necessary - for anyone not getting it: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735710546/ref%3Dcm%5Fbg%5Fd/002-226 0661-0130404 /h - Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php
