Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
So I tested out this evening with not pressing buttons for a really long time while watching myth - and xscreensaver does kick in eventually, but i can just hit a key on my remote to kill it. It just happened to coincidently press a button each time before it would normally kick in, be it volume or commercial skip. On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:09:38 -0500, Ben Giddings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Donavan Stanley wrote: > >>>Myth will allow your existing screensaver to kick in as needed, > >>>provided you have one of course. > >> > >>This doesn't appear to be entirely accurate to me. I believe that Myth > >>only supports DPMS. If you turn on screensavers in KDE or use > >>xscreensaver, the screensaver will kick in regardless of whether you are > >>watching a show or not. I tried this again last night just to be sure and > >>it started up 10 mintutes into our TV show. > > > > I've just done a quick instrumentation of the code and verified that > > the calls are being made to disable/enable the screensaver properly as > > well as turn off dpms. Why they're not working for all users, I'm not > > sure and right now I'm too tired to dig into it. > > Just as a data point, using KDE's screensaver, it doesn't seem to kick > in when I'm using Myth, but I can't get it to go away using the remote > (using LIRC native in Myth). If I hit a keyboard key though, it does > the right thing. > > Ben > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
Donavan Stanley wrote: Myth will allow your existing screensaver to kick in as needed, provided you have one of course. This doesn't appear to be entirely accurate to me. I believe that Myth only supports DPMS. If you turn on screensavers in KDE or use xscreensaver, the screensaver will kick in regardless of whether you are watching a show or not. I tried this again last night just to be sure and it started up 10 mintutes into our TV show. I've just done a quick instrumentation of the code and verified that the calls are being made to disable/enable the screensaver properly as well as turn off dpms. Why they're not working for all users, I'm not sure and right now I'm too tired to dig into it. Just as a data point, using KDE's screensaver, it doesn't seem to kick in when I'm using Myth, but I can't get it to go away using the remote (using LIRC native in Myth). If I hit a keyboard key though, it does the right thing. Ben ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
I'm not using native lirc support. I am using irxevent, now that i realize. I still haven't had any occurences of xscreensaver kicking in when watching TV. It might just be coincidental, that maybe I press buttons before the end of the recording, later tonite i'll try not pressing anything for an entire ep of something and see if xscreensaver kicks in. On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:52:44 -0500, Joseph A. Caputo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 04 March 2005 13:06, Donavan Stanley wrote: > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:25:38 -0500, Joseph A. Caputo > > wrote: > > > Just wanted to chime in here -- I tried last night with 2/12 CVS. > > > DPMS > > > behaves properly, but xscreensaver doesn't. Myth doesn't end the > > > screensaver when remote buttons are pressed. I'll try this weekend > > > after I upgrade to current CVS. > > > > Are you using native lirc support or irxevent? > > Native LIRC. > > -JAC > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
On Friday 04 March 2005 13:06, Donavan Stanley wrote: > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:25:38 -0500, Joseph A. Caputo > wrote: > > Just wanted to chime in here -- I tried last night with 2/12 CVS. > > DPMS > > behaves properly, but xscreensaver doesn't. Myth doesn't end the > > screensaver when remote buttons are pressed. I'll try this weekend > > after I upgrade to current CVS. > > Are you using native lirc support or irxevent? Native LIRC. -JAC ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
Donavan Stanley said: > On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:25:38 -0500, Joseph A. Caputo > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Just wanted to chime in here -- I tried last night with 2/12 CVS. DPMS >> behaves properly, but xscreensaver doesn't. Myth doesn't end the >> screensaver when remote buttons are pressed. I'll try this weekend >> after I upgrade to current CVS. > > Are you using native lirc support or irxevent? I noticed the same thing with xscreensaver kicking in during the show and the remote not exiting xscreensaver, though the keyboard does. I'm using native lirc support with the cvs from last night. Thanks, Bob C ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 10:25:38 -0500, Joseph A. Caputo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just wanted to chime in here -- I tried last night with 2/12 CVS. DPMS > behaves properly, but xscreensaver doesn't. Myth doesn't end the > screensaver when remote buttons are pressed. I'll try this weekend > after I upgrade to current CVS. Are you using native lirc support or irxevent? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
On Friday 04 March 2005 2:37, Bob Cottingham wrote: > Donavan Stanley said: > > On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:20:21 -0600 (CST), Bob Cottingham > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Donavan Stanley said: > >>> Myth will allow your existing screensaver to kick in as needed, > >>> provided you have one of course. > >> > >> This doesn't appear to be entirely accurate to me. I believe that > >> Myth > >> only supports DPMS. If you turn on screensavers in KDE or use > >> xscreensaver, the screensaver will kick in regardless of whether > >> you > >> are watching a show or not. I tried this again last night just to > >> be > >> sure and it started up 10 mintutes into our TV show. > > > > I've just done a quick instrumentation of the code and verified that > > the calls are being made to disable/enable the screensaver properly > > as > > well as turn off dpms. Why they're not working for all users, I'm > > not > > sure and right now I'm too tired to dig into it. > > I just downloaded the latest cvs and tried with xscreensaver. It still > starts while watching a recording. I didn't try with the kde > screensaver. > I have no idea why it might work on others and not mine. I'm running > Mandrake 9.1. If there is anything I can do to help track it down, > please > let me know. I would be very appreciative of your help. Just wanted to chime in here -- I tried last night with 2/12 CVS. DPMS behaves properly, but xscreensaver doesn't. Myth doesn't end the screensaver when remote buttons are pressed. I'll try this weekend after I upgrade to current CVS. -JAC ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
Donavan Stanley said: > On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:20:21 -0600 (CST), Bob Cottingham > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Donavan Stanley said: >>> Myth will allow your existing screensaver to kick in as needed, >>> provided you have one of course. >> >> This doesn't appear to be entirely accurate to me. I believe that Myth >> only supports DPMS. If you turn on screensavers in KDE or use >> xscreensaver, the screensaver will kick in regardless of whether you >> are watching a show or not. I tried this again last night just to be >> sure and it started up 10 mintutes into our TV show. > > I've just done a quick instrumentation of the code and verified that > the calls are being made to disable/enable the screensaver properly as > well as turn off dpms. Why they're not working for all users, I'm not > sure and right now I'm too tired to dig into it. I just downloaded the latest cvs and tried with xscreensaver. It still starts while watching a recording. I didn't try with the kde screensaver. I have no idea why it might work on others and not mine. I'm running Mandrake 9.1. If there is anything I can do to help track it down, please let me know. I would be very appreciative of your help. Thanks, Bob C ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
I was about to mention it does seem that myth makes the appropriate calls to xscreensaver consistently for me. I can watch TV without worrying about the screensaver coming up, but when I am at the main menu, if I just wait xscreensaver will enable, and then later my dpms will kick in. I can even wake it up using my remote and lirc. On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:32:21 -0600, Lane Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:36:54 -0500, Donavan Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > I've just done a quick instrumentation of the code and verified that > > the calls are being made to disable/enable the screensaver properly as > > well as turn off dpms. Why they're not working for all users, I'm not > > sure and right now I'm too tired to dig into it. > > Wow. I'm really excited to hear this. I may try this out over the weekend! > > Lane > > -- > Meetup with other Myth users! > http://mythtv.info/moin.cgi/MUG > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 20:36:54 -0500, Donavan Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've just done a quick instrumentation of the code and verified that > the calls are being made to disable/enable the screensaver properly as > well as turn off dpms. Why they're not working for all users, I'm not > sure and right now I'm too tired to dig into it. Wow. I'm really excited to hear this. I may try this out over the weekend! Lane -- Meetup with other Myth users! http://mythtv.info/moin.cgi/MUG ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:20:21 -0600 (CST), Bob Cottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Donavan Stanley said: > > Myth will allow your existing screensaver to kick in as needed, > > provided you have one of course. > > This doesn't appear to be entirely accurate to me. I believe that Myth > only supports DPMS. If you turn on screensavers in KDE or use > xscreensaver, the screensaver will kick in regardless of whether you are > watching a show or not. I tried this again last night just to be sure and > it started up 10 mintutes into our TV show. I've just done a quick instrumentation of the code and verified that the calls are being made to disable/enable the screensaver properly as well as turn off dpms. Why they're not working for all users, I'm not sure and right now I'm too tired to dig into it. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 09:20:21 -0600 (CST), Bob Cottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Donavan Stanley said: > > On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:07:19 -0500, Ben Giddings > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Another minor thing I miss from my TiVo is the "screensaver". If you > >> didn't hit a button for a while on the TiVo it would by default go back > >> to monitoring Live TV after a while. > > > > Myth will allow your existing screensaver to kick in as needed, > > provided you have one of course. > > This doesn't appear to be entirely accurate to me. I believe that Myth > only supports DPMS. If you turn on screensavers in KDE or use > xscreensaver, the screensaver will kick in regardless of whether you are > watching a show or not. I tried this again last night just to be sure and > it started up 10 mintutes into our TV show. > > This is something I've wanted for quite some time, so if there is some > other way to do this I would be very interested in hearing it. I completely agree. It would be very nice if Myth had its own screensaver, or just as nice, if Myth could signal xscreensaver or the KDE screensaver to disable itself whenever Myth is playing something. The other thing that concerns me about just using the system screensaver is, will the remote control wake up the screensaver. If I used a screensaver, I'd hate to have to have a keyboard or mouse sitting by the TV just to wake up the screensaver. I understand the posters who save "Just turn off the TV." I do. Unfortunately my wife sometimes has a tendency to leave the TV on after she finishes watching a show. It'd be nice if Myth either started its own screensaver at that point or told the system screensaver to start up. It's not a huge problem, but it would be nice to have this feature. Cheers, Lane -- Meetup with other Myth users! http://mythtv.info/moin.cgi/MUG ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:08:29 -0500, Ben Giddings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Myth will allow your existing screensaver to kick in as needed, > > provided you have one of course. > > Yeah, I know, but it would be cool there were some kind of integrated > screensaver/dashboard type functionality, so if you left Myth alone, > you'd still be in Myth, but you wouldn't have to worry about burn-in. > The TiVo implementation of this is to always go to Live TV if you don't > hit a key for about 15 minutes, but there are some flaws with this > approach. Anyhow, it's a "wish list" type feature. Burn-in can be > prevented with your system screensaver. > I have this real complicated method that I use to prevent burn-in. It's called turning off the TV/Monitor. :) Josh ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
Donavan Stanley said: > On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:07:19 -0500, Ben Giddings > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Another minor thing I miss from my TiVo is the "screensaver". If you >> didn't hit a button for a while on the TiVo it would by default go back >> to monitoring Live TV after a while. > > Myth will allow your existing screensaver to kick in as needed, > provided you have one of course. This doesn't appear to be entirely accurate to me. I believe that Myth only supports DPMS. If you turn on screensavers in KDE or use xscreensaver, the screensaver will kick in regardless of whether you are watching a show or not. I tried this again last night just to be sure and it started up 10 mintutes into our TV show. This is something I've wanted for quite some time, so if there is some other way to do this I would be very interested in hearing it. Bob C ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:42:42 -0800, Dan wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you have the right receiver, I don't see how using your old TiVo > controller couldn't be done. > > I'm not the person to ask how to do this however =) > > On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:08:29 -0500, Ben Giddings > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 26, 2005, at 18:29, Donavan Stanley wrote: > > >> Hitting the TiVo button from anywhere in the UI will bring you > > >> back to the main menu. In Myth, I don't think you can do this. > > > > > > Myth goes a lot further than that. Check out the jump points you can > > > bind remote presses to. (again in mythweb) You can jump to any area > > > within myth via a single remote press. > > > > > >> Although I mapped the "Go/Home" button on my Silver Hauppauge remote > > >> to > > >> go to the TV recordings screen, it didn't work when I was in a setup > > >> screen. > > > > > > That's because you need to explictly accept or reject settings. > > > > Right, well I personally think it would be more useful if a jump point > > keybinding would always work. If you were in the middle of changing a > > setting it would abandon the change and go. But that's just a personal > > opinion. > > > > >> Finally, it was nice to be able to decide for myself what the > > >> remote buttons did, but the means of doing that was really awful. I > > >> either had to use the web interface to change the key bindings, or I > > >> had to use MySQL. Then I had to edit the lircrc text file to map > > >> remote control keypresses to keyboard keys. Ugh. > > > > > > Yep it could be a lot more user friendly, however it's a pain you only > > > have to go trhough once. > > > > True enough, "once" is relative. I've been fiddling with it for a > > couple of days, and I'm still not done. Aside from that, as you use > > Myth more often, you might decide you use certain features more than > > others, and might want to have a keybinding for them, or you might > > install a new module and want a hotkey for it. Of all the things I > > mentioned, I really think better remote control integration is the > > feature I'd say is most lacking. > > > > > Sound is useful, however doing UI beeps and the like gets fairly > > > compilcated if your audio hardware doesn't support multiple opens. > > > > Hmm, I don't know anything about the hardware limitations, but maybe it > > could be an optional feature. OTOH, the visual "checkmarks" when you > > choose something could probably be added. Anyhow, I don't think this > > is nearly as big a deal as the other things, especially because the UI > > is so much more responsive. > > > > >> Another minor thing I miss from my TiVo is the "screensaver". If you > > >> didn't hit a button for a while on the TiVo it would by default go > > >> back > > >> to monitoring Live TV after a while. > > > > > > Myth will allow your existing screensaver to kick in as needed, > > > provided you have one of course. > > > > Yeah, I know, but it would be cool there were some kind of integrated > > screensaver/dashboard type functionality, so if you left Myth alone, > > you'd still be in Myth, but you wouldn't have to worry about burn-in. > > The TiVo implementation of this is to always go to Live TV if you don't > > hit a key for about 15 minutes, but there are some flaws with this > > approach. Anyhow, it's a "wish list" type feature. Burn-in can be > > prevented with your system screensaver. > > > > >> Finally, the only other thing I can think of that I really miss from > > >> my > > >> TiVo is the red light that tells me it's recording. It's nice to have > > >> some easy reassurance that your favourite show is really being > > >> recorded. I know that Myth isn't quite as flexible because this is a > > >> hardware thing, but some quick confirmation it's recording would be > > >> really handy. > > > > > > Well, there's always the recordings screen and the system status > > > screen. However if you search the archives you can find info on how > > > to build hardware to add LEDs for recording status. > > > > That's cool. I didn't know that. I may go do that when I've got some > > of the other issues sorted out. > > > > Ben > > > > > > ___ > > mythtv-users mailing list > > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > > > > > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > I use a TiVo remote for myth. I built my own serial port IR receiver for about $8, but this requires using the soldering iron and figuring out an electrical diagram. I hadn't built any electrical devices since 8th grade shop class and I was able to figure it out fairly easily and have the receiver running in about an hour. There are good instructions here: http://lnx.manoweb.com/lirc/?partType=section&partName=introduction L
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
On Feb 28, 2005, at 23:59, Paul Leppert wrote: The thing I miss most from the TiVo is the Live TV buffer. The Tivo is always recording live TV, so if you turn on the TV, TiVo has the last 30 minutes of the current channel. I'll probably get over this with Myth, but it's nice to start watching Live TV and be able to back up (via the buffer) to the beginning of whatever show is currently on. Not to bring up a bad memory, but on Sept 11th I woke up, wandered out to the living room, and flicked on the TV, only to see smoke pouring out of a building. I went back 30 minutes and was able to see the beginning of the coverage, I then hit "record" and it even kept the stuff that happened before I woke up. Overall, I don't use this much, since I almost always watch recorded things (TV on *my* schedule is the point, afterall), but I agree, this is a handy feature. Ben ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
> None of these is a showstopper at all, and although right now I have my > MythTV box and TiVo running side by side, I'm pretty sure that > eventually the Myth box will completely replace the TiVo even if none > of these issues are addressed. The things Myth does well just blow the > TiVo away. I just think there are still a few weaknesses in Myth. I did exactly what you did.. and my wife, who was a Tivo-expert for 4 years, picked the mythbox... Not to UNDERSTATE the growing pains, but it's so worth it. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
The thing I miss most from the TiVo is the Live TV buffer. The Tivo is always recording live TV, so if you turn on the TV, TiVo has the last 30 minutes of the current channel. I'll probably get over this with Myth, but it's nice to start watching Live TV and be able to back up (via the buffer) to the beginning of whatever show is currently on. -- I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand. -- Confucius ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 06:22:36PM -0500, Ben Giddings wrote: > Dan wolf wrote: > >If you have the right receiver, I don't see how using your old TiVo > >controller couldn't be done. > > > >I'm not the person to ask how to do this however =) > > I remember reading that lirc knows how to deal with the TiVo remote, > unfortunately I'm still using both boxes until I'm sure I can rely on > Myth, and until I get a few other issues sorted out -- I think it might > be bad if *both* PVRs were listening to the same signal. :) There's a toggle switch on the standalone TiVo remote that you can use to send slightly different codes. It's there so you can control two tivos with the same remote. Or you could just get a Harmony remote. :) Brian -- Brian Almeida | http://tynian.net| [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian Developer | http://www.debian.org| [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
Dan wolf wrote: If you have the right receiver, I don't see how using your old TiVo controller couldn't be done. I'm not the person to ask how to do this however =) I remember reading that lirc knows how to deal with the TiVo remote, unfortunately I'm still using both boxes until I'm sure I can rely on Myth, and until I get a few other issues sorted out -- I think it might be bad if *both* PVRs were listening to the same signal. :) Ben ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
If you have the right receiver, I don't see how using your old TiVo controller couldn't be done. I'm not the person to ask how to do this however =) On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:08:29 -0500, Ben Giddings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 26, 2005, at 18:29, Donavan Stanley wrote: > >> Hitting the TiVo button from anywhere in the UI will bring you > >> back to the main menu. In Myth, I don't think you can do this. > > > > Myth goes a lot further than that. Check out the jump points you can > > bind remote presses to. (again in mythweb) You can jump to any area > > within myth via a single remote press. > > > >> Although I mapped the "Go/Home" button on my Silver Hauppauge remote > >> to > >> go to the TV recordings screen, it didn't work when I was in a setup > >> screen. > > > > That's because you need to explictly accept or reject settings. > > Right, well I personally think it would be more useful if a jump point > keybinding would always work. If you were in the middle of changing a > setting it would abandon the change and go. But that's just a personal > opinion. > > >> Finally, it was nice to be able to decide for myself what the > >> remote buttons did, but the means of doing that was really awful. I > >> either had to use the web interface to change the key bindings, or I > >> had to use MySQL. Then I had to edit the lircrc text file to map > >> remote control keypresses to keyboard keys. Ugh. > > > > Yep it could be a lot more user friendly, however it's a pain you only > > have to go trhough once. > > True enough, "once" is relative. I've been fiddling with it for a > couple of days, and I'm still not done. Aside from that, as you use > Myth more often, you might decide you use certain features more than > others, and might want to have a keybinding for them, or you might > install a new module and want a hotkey for it. Of all the things I > mentioned, I really think better remote control integration is the > feature I'd say is most lacking. > > > Sound is useful, however doing UI beeps and the like gets fairly > > compilcated if your audio hardware doesn't support multiple opens. > > Hmm, I don't know anything about the hardware limitations, but maybe it > could be an optional feature. OTOH, the visual "checkmarks" when you > choose something could probably be added. Anyhow, I don't think this > is nearly as big a deal as the other things, especially because the UI > is so much more responsive. > > >> Another minor thing I miss from my TiVo is the "screensaver". If you > >> didn't hit a button for a while on the TiVo it would by default go > >> back > >> to monitoring Live TV after a while. > > > > Myth will allow your existing screensaver to kick in as needed, > > provided you have one of course. > > Yeah, I know, but it would be cool there were some kind of integrated > screensaver/dashboard type functionality, so if you left Myth alone, > you'd still be in Myth, but you wouldn't have to worry about burn-in. > The TiVo implementation of this is to always go to Live TV if you don't > hit a key for about 15 minutes, but there are some flaws with this > approach. Anyhow, it's a "wish list" type feature. Burn-in can be > prevented with your system screensaver. > > >> Finally, the only other thing I can think of that I really miss from > >> my > >> TiVo is the red light that tells me it's recording. It's nice to have > >> some easy reassurance that your favourite show is really being > >> recorded. I know that Myth isn't quite as flexible because this is a > >> hardware thing, but some quick confirmation it's recording would be > >> really handy. > > > > Well, there's always the recordings screen and the system status > > screen. However if you search the archives you can find info on how > > to build hardware to add LEDs for recording status. > > That's cool. I didn't know that. I may go do that when I've got some > of the other issues sorted out. > > Ben > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
On Feb 26, 2005, at 18:29, Donavan Stanley wrote: Hitting the TiVo button from anywhere in the UI will bring you back to the main menu. In Myth, I don't think you can do this. Myth goes a lot further than that. Check out the jump points you can bind remote presses to. (again in mythweb) You can jump to any area within myth via a single remote press. Although I mapped the "Go/Home" button on my Silver Hauppauge remote to go to the TV recordings screen, it didn't work when I was in a setup screen. That's because you need to explictly accept or reject settings. Right, well I personally think it would be more useful if a jump point keybinding would always work. If you were in the middle of changing a setting it would abandon the change and go. But that's just a personal opinion. Finally, it was nice to be able to decide for myself what the remote buttons did, but the means of doing that was really awful. I either had to use the web interface to change the key bindings, or I had to use MySQL. Then I had to edit the lircrc text file to map remote control keypresses to keyboard keys. Ugh. Yep it could be a lot more user friendly, however it's a pain you only have to go trhough once. True enough, "once" is relative. I've been fiddling with it for a couple of days, and I'm still not done. Aside from that, as you use Myth more often, you might decide you use certain features more than others, and might want to have a keybinding for them, or you might install a new module and want a hotkey for it. Of all the things I mentioned, I really think better remote control integration is the feature I'd say is most lacking. Sound is useful, however doing UI beeps and the like gets fairly compilcated if your audio hardware doesn't support multiple opens. Hmm, I don't know anything about the hardware limitations, but maybe it could be an optional feature. OTOH, the visual "checkmarks" when you choose something could probably be added. Anyhow, I don't think this is nearly as big a deal as the other things, especially because the UI is so much more responsive. Another minor thing I miss from my TiVo is the "screensaver". If you didn't hit a button for a while on the TiVo it would by default go back to monitoring Live TV after a while. Myth will allow your existing screensaver to kick in as needed, provided you have one of course. Yeah, I know, but it would be cool there were some kind of integrated screensaver/dashboard type functionality, so if you left Myth alone, you'd still be in Myth, but you wouldn't have to worry about burn-in. The TiVo implementation of this is to always go to Live TV if you don't hit a key for about 15 minutes, but there are some flaws with this approach. Anyhow, it's a "wish list" type feature. Burn-in can be prevented with your system screensaver. Finally, the only other thing I can think of that I really miss from my TiVo is the red light that tells me it's recording. It's nice to have some easy reassurance that your favourite show is really being recorded. I know that Myth isn't quite as flexible because this is a hardware thing, but some quick confirmation it's recording would be really handy. Well, there's always the recordings screen and the system status screen. However if you search the archives you can find info on how to build hardware to add LEDs for recording status. That's cool. I didn't know that. I may go do that when I've got some of the other issues sorted out. Ben ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
On Feb 26, 2005, at 18:25, Fa Yoeu wrote: Although I don't use it, I think mythtv has lirc integration, so you don't have to do external keyboard bindings. Apparently that's not what "lirc integration" means. I guess it means that you don't have to use irxevent to send keypresses to the program, instead you can use "mythtv" as the program in the lircrc file. Ben ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 17:33 -0500, Gary M wrote: > This is a really nice summary for any tivo user who's thinking about > switching, or cohabiting with a Myth box. I'm just waiting for > Tive-to-go plugin for Myth and I'll be doing back flips. What - you mean like nuvexport? Or you mean as in exporting shows from the Tivo into myth? MythTivo will let you watch your Tivo shows on myth, though they're not integrated into myth itself. -I ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:07:19 -0500, Ben Giddings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> An example of how well the TiVo remote is set
> up is the channel up/down buttons. When you're watching live TV,
> they're channel buttons. When you're in a list in the UI ("Now
> Playing" i.e. recorded showings for example) they scroll a page at a
> time.
Simple, go into mythweb and bind your chan up/down keys to page
up/down then edit your .lircrc so that your remote sends page up/down
for the chan up/down on your remote. That was one of the first things
I did myself.
> Hitting the TiVo button from anywhere in the UI will bring you
> back to the main menu. In Myth, I don't think you can do this.
Myth goes a lot further than that. Check out the jump points you can
bind remote presses to. (again in mythweb) You can jump to any area
within myth via a single remote press.
> Although I mapped the "Go/Home" button on my Silver Hauppauge remote to
> go to the TV recordings screen, it didn't work when I was in a setup
> screen.
That's because you need to explictly accept or reject settings.
> Finally, it was nice to be able to decide for myself what the
> remote buttons did, but the means of doing that was really awful. I
> either had to use the web interface to change the key bindings, or I
> had to use MySQL. Then I had to edit the lircrc text file to map
> remote control keypresses to keyboard keys. Ugh.
Yep it could be a lot more user friendly, however it's a pain you only
have to go trhough once.
> A second thing I missed from TiVo was the UI beeps and checkmarks. I
> think they're useful on the TiVo for two reasons. One is that the UI
> is slow on the underpowered TiVo processor, so you get immediate
> feedback when you do something. This isn't as important with MythTV
> and it's vastly more powerful processor. The other reason this is
> useful with the TiVo is that unlike a keyboard or mouse, you don't
> always know if the device received the keypress. I could see this
> being useful for Myth too.
Sound is useful, however doing UI beeps and the like gets fairly
compilcated if your audio hardware doesn't support multiple opens.
> Another minor thing I miss from my TiVo is the "screensaver". If you
> didn't hit a button for a while on the TiVo it would by default go back
> to monitoring Live TV after a while.
Myth will allow your existing screensaver to kick in as needed,
provided you have one of course.
> Finally, the only other thing I can think of that I really miss from my
> TiVo is the red light that tells me it's recording. It's nice to have
> some easy reassurance that your favourite show is really being
> recorded. I know that Myth isn't quite as flexible because this is a
> hardware thing, but some quick confirmation it's recording would be
> really handy.
Well, there's always the recordings screen and the system status
screen. However if you search the archives you can find info on how
to build hardware to add LEDs for recording status.
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Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
Although I don't use it, I think mythtv has lirc integration, so you don't have to do external keyboard bindings. On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:07:19 -0500, Ben Giddings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm new to lirc, but one of the test programs I ran across was 'irw'. > It simply told you what remote control key you were pressing and how > long you had held it down. It seems to me that in theory MythTV could > use something like this to monitor lirc directly and not have to map > remote control keypresses to keyboard keys. Either way, I think it > would be great if there were something in Myth itself that worked like > most games do for binding keys. Choose a function, then hit the key > you want to be bound to that function, voila. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
This is a really nice summary for any tivo user who's thinking about
switching, or cohabiting with a Myth box. I'm just waiting for
Tive-to-go plugin for Myth and I'll be doing back flips. I built my
Myth box 2 months ago. I feel like I climbed Everest to get where I am
today, but I love it. Whever said it's not the end result, it's the
getting there was wrong. There is less and less I miss about tivo as I
iron out issues here and there. Tivo's tight GUI is the only thing
that I still like. I would say some of the things you mention as gaps
are not if you dig around the archives, e.g. the recording light.
Thanks for sharing.
Gary
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 14:07:19 -0500, Ben Giddings
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi list!
>
> I've just finished installing MythTV and started using it, and I
> thought I'd post some comments on how a long-time TiVo user.
>
> Even though there are some things I like better about how my TiVo
> works, I'm not just writing to complain. I'm interested to hear if
> other people agree that parts of MythTV could be improved. If other
> people agree, I may even want to work on some of these deficiencies.
>
> On with the review.
>
> When I first fired up the MythTV interface, I was immediately
> impressed. The GUI is really beautiful. I'm not used to seeing such
> great interfaces in Open Source projects. It was also really
> responsive. I was amazed with all the options, I had installed the
> MythGallery, MythMusic, MythVideo, MythGame, MythWeather... well pretty
> much everything except MythPhone.
>
> With no pictures, music, videos or TV recordings, I naturally tried out
> live TV first. TV is TV, but the OSDs are another matter. (The
> initial OSD I had was blueosd and it was kinda ugly, but when I
> switched to Titivillus-OSD that was just as nice as the TiVo one.)
> After going to Live TV I tried out the guide, and again, I was amazed
> at how beautiful and functional MythTV was. The guide was really
> responsive, the shows were colour coded, and it was generally far
> better than I was used to from my TiVo. I picked a few programs to
> record, then went to play with the rest of MythTV.
>
> Still, with no music, videos, recordings, or games, I turned to
> MythWeather. Holy crap is that good! It was so well designed, with
> all the info at a glance, beautiful icons, a weather map, and even my
> choice of Farenheit or Celsius.
>
> Eventually I had a couple of recordings to watch so I started one up.
> That wasn't too different until I got to a commercial. M
> commercial skipping is great! When it was on auto-skip mode, I almost
> didn't notice that a commercial had been skipped. I also tried
> adjusting playback speed. Wow. I couldn't believe how well that
> worked. I may even start using it regularly for certain types of
> programs. Combining commercial auto skipping and faster playback, Iron
> Chef was over in 32 minutes, not 60.
>
> Once my wonder over MythTV wore off though, I started missing a few
> TiVo things. Most of them are pretty minor, but a few I think are big
> enough that I really think they're worth adding to Myth.
>
> The biggest thing I missed was the tightness of the TiVo remote. The
> TiVo has no keyboard, obviously, so everything can be controlled by the
> remote control. I think they did an amazing job laying out the TiVo
> remote control, and I still haven't gotten to the stage where I have as
> much control with Myth. An example of how well the TiVo remote is set
> up is the channel up/down buttons. When you're watching live TV,
> they're channel buttons. When you're in a list in the UI ("Now
> Playing" i.e. recorded showings for example) they scroll a page at a
> time. Hitting the TiVo button from anywhere in the UI will bring you
> back to the main menu. In Myth, I don't think you can do this.
> Although I mapped the "Go/Home" button on my Silver Hauppauge remote to
> go to the TV recordings screen, it didn't work when I was in a setup
> screen. Finally, it was nice to be able to decide for myself what the
> remote buttons did, but the means of doing that was really awful. I
> either had to use the web interface to change the key bindings, or I
> had to use MySQL. Then I had to edit the lircrc text file to map
> remote control keypresses to keyboard keys. Ugh.
>
> I'm new to lirc, but one of the test programs I ran across was 'irw'.
> It simply told you what remote control key you were pressing and how
> long you had held it down. It seems to me that in theory MythTV could
> use something like this to monitor lirc directly and not have to map
> remote control keypresses to keyboard keys. Either way, I think it
> would be great if there were something in Myth itself that worked like
> most games do for binding keys. Choose a function, then hit the key
> you want to be bound to that function, voila.
>
> A second thing I missed from TiVo was the UI beeps and checkmarks. I
> think they're useful on the TiVo f
[mythtv-users] MythTV review from a long-time TiVo user
Hi list!
I've just finished installing MythTV and started using it, and I
thought I'd post some comments on how a long-time TiVo user.
Even though there are some things I like better about how my TiVo
works, I'm not just writing to complain. I'm interested to hear if
other people agree that parts of MythTV could be improved. If other
people agree, I may even want to work on some of these deficiencies.
On with the review.
When I first fired up the MythTV interface, I was immediately
impressed. The GUI is really beautiful. I'm not used to seeing such
great interfaces in Open Source projects. It was also really
responsive. I was amazed with all the options, I had installed the
MythGallery, MythMusic, MythVideo, MythGame, MythWeather... well pretty
much everything except MythPhone.
With no pictures, music, videos or TV recordings, I naturally tried out
live TV first. TV is TV, but the OSDs are another matter. (The
initial OSD I had was blueosd and it was kinda ugly, but when I
switched to Titivillus-OSD that was just as nice as the TiVo one.)
After going to Live TV I tried out the guide, and again, I was amazed
at how beautiful and functional MythTV was. The guide was really
responsive, the shows were colour coded, and it was generally far
better than I was used to from my TiVo. I picked a few programs to
record, then went to play with the rest of MythTV.
Still, with no music, videos, recordings, or games, I turned to
MythWeather. Holy crap is that good! It was so well designed, with
all the info at a glance, beautiful icons, a weather map, and even my
choice of Farenheit or Celsius.
Eventually I had a couple of recordings to watch so I started one up.
That wasn't too different until I got to a commercial. M
commercial skipping is great! When it was on auto-skip mode, I almost
didn't notice that a commercial had been skipped. I also tried
adjusting playback speed. Wow. I couldn't believe how well that
worked. I may even start using it regularly for certain types of
programs. Combining commercial auto skipping and faster playback, Iron
Chef was over in 32 minutes, not 60.
Once my wonder over MythTV wore off though, I started missing a few
TiVo things. Most of them are pretty minor, but a few I think are big
enough that I really think they're worth adding to Myth.
The biggest thing I missed was the tightness of the TiVo remote. The
TiVo has no keyboard, obviously, so everything can be controlled by the
remote control. I think they did an amazing job laying out the TiVo
remote control, and I still haven't gotten to the stage where I have as
much control with Myth. An example of how well the TiVo remote is set
up is the channel up/down buttons. When you're watching live TV,
they're channel buttons. When you're in a list in the UI ("Now
Playing" i.e. recorded showings for example) they scroll a page at a
time. Hitting the TiVo button from anywhere in the UI will bring you
back to the main menu. In Myth, I don't think you can do this.
Although I mapped the "Go/Home" button on my Silver Hauppauge remote to
go to the TV recordings screen, it didn't work when I was in a setup
screen. Finally, it was nice to be able to decide for myself what the
remote buttons did, but the means of doing that was really awful. I
either had to use the web interface to change the key bindings, or I
had to use MySQL. Then I had to edit the lircrc text file to map
remote control keypresses to keyboard keys. Ugh.
I'm new to lirc, but one of the test programs I ran across was 'irw'.
It simply told you what remote control key you were pressing and how
long you had held it down. It seems to me that in theory MythTV could
use something like this to monitor lirc directly and not have to map
remote control keypresses to keyboard keys. Either way, I think it
would be great if there were something in Myth itself that worked like
most games do for binding keys. Choose a function, then hit the key
you want to be bound to that function, voila.
A second thing I missed from TiVo was the UI beeps and checkmarks. I
think they're useful on the TiVo for two reasons. One is that the UI
is slow on the underpowered TiVo processor, so you get immediate
feedback when you do something. This isn't as important with MythTV
and it's vastly more powerful processor. The other reason this is
useful with the TiVo is that unlike a keyboard or mouse, you don't
always know if the device received the keypress. I could see this
being useful for Myth too.
Another minor thing I miss from my TiVo is the "screensaver". If you
didn't hit a button for a while on the TiVo it would by default go back
to monitoring Live TV after a while. I know that burn-in isn't a big
deal on computer screens or on standard TV sets, however projection TVs
are another matter. I think it would be a good idea for Myth to do
something if keys haven't been hit in a while. Maybe
