Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
On Thursday 25 August 2005 10:34 pm, Mark Knecht wrote: > On 8/25/05, Donavan Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 8/25/05, Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > NOTE: For some silly reason mythfrontend keeps its shutdown command in > > > the mythbackend mysql database. This is completely silly since should > > > the backend not be online then you cannot shutdown the frontend. > > > Silly, really silly... > > > > You do realize that ALL settings are stored in the database and that > > mysql and mythbackend are different things right? > > OK, thanks for the history lesson. My bad language. Yes. Sorry. I do > understand that mysql and the backend are different things. > > Now, more to the point, when the backend doesn't come up the frontend > cannot find it's command to shut down cleanly. Sorry for considering > that a mistake. If the mysql database isn't there, the frontend can't even start, let alone shut down properly. Guess that's a problem, too. Isaac ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
On 8/25/05, Donavan Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/25/05, Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > NOTE: For some silly reason mythfrontend keeps its shutdown command in > > the mythbackend mysql database. This is completely silly since should > > the backend not be online then you cannot shutdown the frontend. > > Silly, really silly... > > You do realize that ALL settings are stored in the database and that > mysql and mythbackend are different things right? OK, thanks for the history lesson. My bad language. Yes. Sorry. I do understand that mysql and the backend are different things. Now, more to the point, when the backend doesn't come up the frontend cannot find it's command to shut down cleanly. Sorry for considering that a mistake. Nuff said, Mark ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
On 8/25/05, Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > NOTE: For some silly reason mythfrontend keeps its shutdown command in > the mythbackend mysql database. This is completely silly since should > the backend not be online then you cannot shutdown the frontend. > Silly, really silly... You do realize that ALL settings are stored in the database and that mysql and mythbackend are different things right? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
On 8/25/05, Chad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> {SNIP}
> > The machine spawns mythfrontend on display 0: from /etc/inittab so
> > if Myth dies unexpectedly it's just automatically restarted. I shut
> > the machines down using sudo. It all works really well for us.
>
> {/SNIP}
>
> Care to share your inittab?
>
> This would be really nice, and I too am running Gentoo. :)
>
> Cool
Nothing much to it. The idea ws suggested here. It works nicely:
# TERMINALS
#c1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux
c1:12345:respawn:/bin/su mythtv -c startx
c2:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty2 linux
Also, I set up Myth's internal shutdown command to use sudo to do a
complete shutdown and I have Myth confirm that I want to exit. If I
say yes, Myth exits and is respawned by the command above. Other wise
I choose to exit and shutdown and the machine can be powered off
gracefully. The sudo command is set up to not ask for a password.
NOTE: For some silly reason mythfrontend keeps its shutdown command in
the mythbackend mysql database. This is completely silly since should
the backend not be online then you cannot shutdown the frontend.
Silly, really silly...
Hope this helps,
Mark
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Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
{SNIP}
> The machine spawns mythfrontend on display 0: from /etc/inittab so
> if Myth dies unexpectedly it's just automatically restarted. I shut
> the machines down using sudo. It all works really well for us.
{/SNIP}
Care to share your inittab?
This would be really nice, and I too am running Gentoo. :)
Cool
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Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
Zak wrote: How do you "reset focus"? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/82722#82722 ;) Michael T. Dean wrote: gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) wrote: Michael T. Dean wrote: My workaround: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/82722#82722 hmm, not exactly the same problem ... mine doesn't happen when returning from xine (that actually works *every* time) ... it's when i change screens within mythtv that it doesn't always work ... namely when it changes from one of the normal screens to one that uses obvious Qt widgets instead of the nicer-looking images as in the main menu ... But it's caused by using xine... Try it. I'd bet you do have the same problem. ... i can't find any reason why it is intermittant ... Because the problem only occurs after using xine... In other words, you start Myth and everything works fine. You use MythVideo, which uses xine. The next time you get a popup in Myth, you won't have focus. Once you "reset" focus, it's fine again until you use xine. Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
How do you "reset focus"? Michael T. Dean wrote: gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) wrote: Michael T. Dean wrote: My workaround: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/82722#82722 hmm, not exactly the same problem ... mine doesn't happen when returning from xine (that actually works *every* time) ... it's when i change screens within mythtv that it doesn't always work ... namely when it changes from one of the normal screens to one that uses obvious Qt widgets instead of the nicer-looking images as in the main menu ... But it's caused by using xine... Try it. I'd bet you do have the same problem. ... i can't find any reason why it is intermittant ... Because the problem only occurs after using xine... In other words, you start Myth and everything works fine. You use MythVideo, which uses xine. The next time you get a popup in Myth, you won't have focus. Once you "reset" focus, it's fine again until you use xine. Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) wrote: Michael T. Dean wrote: My workaround: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/82722#82722 hmm, not exactly the same problem ... mine doesn't happen when returning from xine (that actually works *every* time) ... it's when i change screens within mythtv that it doesn't always work ... namely when it changes from one of the normal screens to one that uses obvious Qt widgets instead of the nicer-looking images as in the main menu ... But it's caused by using xine... Try it. I'd bet you do have the same problem. ... i can't find any reason why it is intermittant ... Because the problem only occurs after using xine... In other words, you start Myth and everything works fine. You use MythVideo, which uses xine. The next time you get a popup in Myth, you won't have focus. Once you "reset" focus, it's fine again until you use xine. Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
Greg Woods wrote: On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 14:29 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: As I thought I said, we are using the StreamZap remote. You did say that. It comes with it's own USB receiver: But I didn't know that part. I was hoping to use the same universal remote I already have downstairs for the TV, amplifier, DVD player, VCR, etc. rather than having to have yet another remote. I suppose for $27 I could get one of these anyway and program the universal remote from it. Anybody got a better idea? Got a lircd.conf file for the thing? I have the streamzap as well (you can also email their sales and just buy the USB receiver for less if you don't want the remote). I just use my regular All-4-One remote from Best Buy with the receiver. I programmed the CBL/SAT button to be a Tivo and used the Tivo LIRC config file and it works fine. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 14:29 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > As I thought I said, we are using the StreamZap remote. You did say that. > It comes with > it's own USB receiver: But I didn't know that part. I was hoping to use the same universal remote I already have downstairs for the TV, amplifier, DVD player, VCR, etc. rather than having to have yet another remote. I suppose for $27 I could get one of these anyway and program the universal remote from it. Anybody got a better idea? Got a lircd.conf file for the thing? --Greg ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
As I thought I said, we are using the StreamZap remote. It comes with it's own USB receiver: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007ST9CK/qid=1125005304/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-8818741-5078212?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846 At $27 it's a deal for both a receiver and a remote. Not fancy but works well for us. We have 5 of them. Hope this helps, Mark On 8/25/05, Greg Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 13:35 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: > > >As for me I have 4 Pundit-R's > [...] > > >I don't have keyboards or mice hooked to any of these machines. > > They are controlled purely using StreamZap remotes ($25) via USB. > > What type of IR hardware are you using? I ask because I just got a > Pundit-R to build a front end out of, and keyboard-less control is the > only problem I haven't solved yet. > > --Greg > > > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 13:35 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: >As for me I have 4 Pundit-R's [...] >I don't have keyboards or mice hooked to any of these machines. > They are controlled purely using StreamZap remotes ($25) via USB. What type of IR hardware are you using? I ask because I just got a Pundit-R to build a front end out of, and keyboard-less control is the only problem I haven't solved yet. --Greg ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
Hi, Sorry for the late response. Glad you're making headway. As for me I have 4 Pundit-R's running mythfrontend under fluxbox. All machines use Celeron D's and have 256MB. One Pundit-R also acts as an NFS server for the backend machine so the recording hardware (PVR-150 & PVR-250) is in a desktop machine but the storage is across the network in one frontend machine on a larger SATA drive. I don't have keyboards or mice hooked to any of these machines. They are controlled purely using StreamZap remotes ($25) via USB. I created my own LIRC mapping which is pretty remedial but does what I want. The machine spawns mythfrontend on display 0: from /etc/inittab so if Myth dies unexpectedly it's just automatically restarted. I shut the machines down using sudo. It all works really well for us. I'm sure that all of the above can be done on any of the major or minor window managers. Since these machines run Gentoo I wanted the most simple and speedy window manager that I could get to build from source. Good luck and have fun. Cheers, Mark On 8/25/05, Nes Yarug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you to everyone who replied. I'll have a go with a few lightweight > window managers (ratpoison, ion3, xfce) and see how it goes. > > Regards, > Nes > > Jo Shields wrote: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> On 8/24/05, Kevin Kuphal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Nes Yarug wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > Please don't take this as a start for a flame war between Gnome and > KDE. I'd just like to know which Window Manager plays best with > MythTV. Most how-tos (what is the plural for that anyway :) seem to > favor KDE? Or is it possible to run MythTV without a Window Manager? > > >>> > >>> I use fluxbox. Much lighter than KDE. I think you can run twm even if > >>> you want or without a window manager too. > >>> > >> > >> > >> I second the fluxbox nomination. At least use something similarly > >> lightweight. If you want to run in 512M or so of RAM, you don't want > >> gnome or kde cluttering your system with things you simply don't need > >> for a myth box. > >> > >> > > > > XFCE 4.2 is the only WM of those I tried which didn't have some focus > > problems - things like flux were 'mostly' OK, but nothing else wanted to > > put VLC on top and focused when playing DVDs > > > > --Jo Shields > > > > ___ > > mythtv-users mailing list > > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > > > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
Thank you to everyone who replied. I'll have a go with a few lightweight window managers (ratpoison, ion3, xfce) and see how it goes. Regards, Nes Jo Shields wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/24/05, Kevin Kuphal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nes Yarug wrote: Please don't take this as a start for a flame war between Gnome and KDE. I'd just like to know which Window Manager plays best with MythTV. Most how-tos (what is the plural for that anyway :) seem to favor KDE? Or is it possible to run MythTV without a Window Manager? I use fluxbox. Much lighter than KDE. I think you can run twm even if you want or without a window manager too. I second the fluxbox nomination. At least use something similarly lightweight. If you want to run in 512M or so of RAM, you don't want gnome or kde cluttering your system with things you simply don't need for a myth box. XFCE 4.2 is the only WM of those I tried which didn't have some focus problems - things like flux were 'mostly' OK, but nothing else wanted to put VLC on top and focused when playing DVDs --Jo Shields ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/24/05, Kevin Kuphal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nes Yarug wrote: Please don't take this as a start for a flame war between Gnome and KDE. I'd just like to know which Window Manager plays best with MythTV. Most how-tos (what is the plural for that anyway :) seem to favor KDE? Or is it possible to run MythTV without a Window Manager? I use fluxbox. Much lighter than KDE. I think you can run twm even if you want or without a window manager too. I second the fluxbox nomination. At least use something similarly lightweight. If you want to run in 512M or so of RAM, you don't want gnome or kde cluttering your system with things you simply don't need for a myth box. XFCE 4.2 is the only WM of those I tried which didn't have some focus problems - things like flux were 'mostly' OK, but nothing else wanted to put VLC on top and focused when playing DVDs --Jo Shields ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:06:42 +1000, Brett Grice wrote: > My order of preference after testing quite a lot of different wm's with > myth :- > > 1. No window Manager (Difficult to get working properly but I find the > most stable.) > 2. fvwm2 > 3. MWM > 3. ICEwm > 4. Afterstep > 5. Blackbox > 5. Fluxbox > 6. MetaCity > 7. BADWm > 8. Xfce > 9. KDE > 10.Gnome Can't believe you haven't listed ratpoison there. Very lightweight, supports Xrandr, and importantly for a mouseless machine, is entirely keyboard driven. Almost feels like it was written for myth and I'd certainly prefer it to no window manager (which can have focus issues sometimes). Cheers, Martin. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
On 8/25/05, Brett Grice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personally I don't use a Window manager with mythtv, > > When I started playing with mythtv I tried most of the > window mangers to see which performed best. > > My order of preference after testing quite a lot of > different wm's with myth :- > > 1. No window Manager (Difficult to get working > properly but I find the most stable.) And you can't go into "maintenance mode" where you exit the frontend and open an xterm or setup. > 2. fvwm2 This is what I use too, with minimal configuration it is very lightweight, and it can be configured to launch xterm, setup, mythfilldatabase, or frontend, with just keypresses (if you have a wireless keyboard connected). You can probably configure it to accept remote commands using irexec too. > 3. MWM > 3. ICEwm > 4. Afterstep > 5. Blackbox > 5. Fluxbox > 6. MetaCity > 7. BADWm > 8. Xfce > 9. KDE > 10.Gnome > > On my play machine I have FVWM2. On my dev machines I > use MWM. End of the day I guess what's right for > you is very much a personal choice because there all > much of a muchness. > > http://xwinman.org/ -- lots more information on Wm's > > Hope that Helps > > Brett. > > --- Nes Yarug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Please don't take this as a start for a flame war > > between Gnome and KDE. > > I'd just like to know which Window Manager plays > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > -- Fedor G Pikus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.pikus.net http://wild-light.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
Personally I don't use a Window manager with mythtv, When I started playing with mythtv I tried most of the window mangers to see which performed best. My order of preference after testing quite a lot of different wm's with myth :- 1. No window Manager (Difficult to get working properly but I find the most stable.) 2. fvwm2 3. MWM 3. ICEwm 4. Afterstep 5. Blackbox 5. Fluxbox 6. MetaCity 7. BADWm 8. Xfce 9. KDE 10.Gnome On my play machine I have FVWM2. On my dev machines I use MWM. End of the day I guess what's right for you is very much a personal choice because there all much of a muchness. http://xwinman.org/ -- lots more information on Wm's Hope that Helps Brett. --- Nes Yarug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please don't take this as a start for a flame war > between Gnome and KDE. > I'd just like to know which Window Manager plays Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
> Please don't take this as a start for a flame war between Gnome and KDE. > I'd just like to know which Window Manager plays best with MythTV. Most > how-tos (what is the plural for that anyway :) seem to favor KDE? Or is > it possible to run MythTV without a Window Manager? LOADS of stuff in archives on this. KDE or GNOME seem massive overkill to me when this is a media box not a workstation. I use ratpoison which is ultra-lightweight. I believe lots of other MythTV'ers do too. Regards, Phill ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
On 8/24/05, Kevin Kuphal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nes Yarug wrote: > > > Please don't take this as a start for a flame war between Gnome and > > KDE. I'd just like to know which Window Manager plays best with > > MythTV. Most how-tos (what is the plural for that anyway :) seem to > > favor KDE? Or is it possible to run MythTV without a Window Manager? > > I use fluxbox. Much lighter than KDE. I think you can run twm even if > you want or without a window manager too. I second the fluxbox nomination. At least use something similarly lightweight. If you want to run in 512M or so of RAM, you don't want gnome or kde cluttering your system with things you simply don't need for a myth box. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
Michael T. Dean wrote: My workaround: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/82722#82722 hmm, not exactly the same problem ... mine doesn't happen when returning from xine (that actually works *every* time) ... it's when i change screens within mythtv that it doesn't always work ... namely when it changes from one of the normal screens to one that uses obvious Qt widgets instead of the nicer-looking images as in the main menu ... the first time i noticed it was because my ATI Remote Wonder oftentimes skips two screens when using the power button, so i jump from the "Optical Discs" menu all the way to the "Are you sure you want to exit mythtv?" screen ... i'd have to mess w/ the mouse on the remote, because a lot of the times that exit screen wouldn't let me select "No" (i really didn't want to exit!) due to the fact that somehow it didn't have focus ... BUT i later found i could hit power and would be taken back to the main menu again ... why does power work, but the arrow keys don't? no buttons were focused (it's obvious in the theme/color scheme i'm using, since the button with the key is much brighter) ... sometimes when i get to the exit screen a button is focused, otherwise not ... i can't find any reason why it is intermittant ... thanks! -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) wrote: Kevin Kuphal wrote: I use fluxbox. Much lighter than KDE. I think you can run twm even if you want or without a window manager too. what focusing method do you use in fluxbox? a lot of times, "popups" (like when you hit the menu button on movies in the video library manager) aren't focused, so i have to move my mouse around until i can make it focused ... it's not even all the time, just intermittently ... same with the shutdown yes/no screen ... power button (mapped to the same thing that ESC is on my keyb) gets me out of the popup and oftentimes if i go back into the popup, it's focused and everything works fine :( ... running 0.18.1 on slackware-current ... My workaround: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/82722#82722 Later in the thread, Mike Ford posted a solution, but I haven't had a chance to test it out, myself... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/103676#103676 Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
Please don't take this as a start for a flame war between Gnome and KDE. I'd just like to know which Window Manager plays best with MythTV. Most how-tos (what is the plural for that anyway :) seem to favor KDE? Or is it possible to run MythTV without a Window Manager? Many thanks, Nes ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
gLaNDix (Jesse Kaufman) wrote: Kevin Kuphal wrote: I use fluxbox. Much lighter than KDE. I think you can run twm even if you want or without a window manager too. what focusing method do you use in fluxbox? a lot of times, "popups" (like when you hit the menu button on movies in the video library manager) aren't focused, so i have to move my mouse around until i can make it focused ... it's not even all the time, just intermittently ... same with the shutdown yes/no screen ... power button (mapped to the same thing that ESC is on my keyb) gets me out of the popup and oftentimes if i go back into the popup, it's focused and everything works fine :( ... running 0.18.1 on slackware-current ... In looking at the init file, it says, "ClickToFocus". I don't recall ever changing it nor have I had a problem. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
Kevin Kuphal wrote: I use fluxbox. Much lighter than KDE. I think you can run twm even if you want or without a window manager too. what focusing method do you use in fluxbox? a lot of times, "popups" (like when you hit the menu button on movies in the video library manager) aren't focused, so i have to move my mouse around until i can make it focused ... it's not even all the time, just intermittently ... same with the shutdown yes/no screen ... power button (mapped to the same thing that ESC is on my keyb) gets me out of the popup and oftentimes if i go back into the popup, it's focused and everything works fine :( ... running 0.18.1 on slackware-current ... thx, -g- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
Nes Yarug wrote: Please don't take this as a start for a flame war between Gnome and KDE. I'd just like to know which Window Manager plays best with MythTV. Most how-tos (what is the plural for that anyway :) seem to favor KDE? Or is it possible to run MythTV without a Window Manager? I use fluxbox. Much lighter than KDE. I think you can run twm even if you want or without a window manager too. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
That's not been my experience. My backend (with a frontend running on it ) runs kde and I never experience focus problems with mythvideo. On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 21:13 -0500, Donavan Stanley wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:39:35 -0500, M Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry - I've always been curious - what's so wrong with KDE? > > Simple, run MythVideo under KDE and when your player exits Myth will > not receive the focus back thus requiring you to alt-tab to it. > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- Adam Felson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 21:13:05 -0500, Donavan Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:39:35 -0500, M Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry - I've always been curious - what's so wrong with KDE? > > Simple, run MythVideo under KDE and when your player exits Myth will > not receive the focus back thus requiring you to alt-tab to it. > I have had something similar happen with blackbox. Sometimes when I would launch a video, mplayer would start playing the file but the focus would stay with mythtv, which meant that none of my keystrokes worked in mplayer. This did not happen all the time, and come to think of it, it may have to do with the fact that blackbox uses sloppy mouse focus and my mouse may have moved during the viewing. I finally just stopped using mplayer entirely in favour of xine and everything seems to work ok now. It must be the difference in the way the two programs capture the screen... -- Loren H. Burlingame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPG Key ID: 0x112DCF4F "Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes." -William Shatner (a.k.a. Buck Murdock) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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Donavan Stanley wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:39:35 -0500, M Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry - I've always been curious - what's so wrong with KDE? Simple, run MythVideo under KDE and when your player exits Myth will not receive the focus back thus requiring you to alt-tab to it. I've never had that occur - MythVideo/MPlayer/Myth all work fine w/ lirc under KDE. There's never been any focus issues. Maybe I'm missing what you're refering to. Matt ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:39:35 -0500, M Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry - I've always been curious - what's so wrong with KDE? Simple, run MythVideo under KDE and when your player exits Myth will not receive the focus back thus requiring you to alt-tab to it. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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Could you please provide any insight in making the switch. I've got a relatively low powered P3 running Myth dedicated and would be fine with not using KDE as a primary WM. What did you do to switch over? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phill Edwards Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:14 PM To: Roy Murphy; Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager? > Now that we've had a nice long thread discussing distributions, let's > talk about window managers. KDE and Gnome sould like *way* too much > overhead for a Myth frontend. Anyone using other window managers? I use ratpoison. This is a lightweight, low disk space hog, mouse-less window manager (you use keyboard shortcuts to fire up any apps you may need - the only app I ever fire up is xterm). It works very well and is simple to use. There's a very small amount of setup required to stop using KDE and start using this but I have all the details if you need it. It's very easy. Its home page is at http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ Regards, Phill ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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> Anyone using other window managers? I use evilwm for my dedicated mythtv box. I don't think that you get any more streamlined than that. On my desktop I use Gnome or XFCE, since I like GTK. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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Sorry - I've always been curious - what's so wrong with KDE? I have a Barton2500 w/ 512MB RAM on a combined frontend/backend box. Are the lightweight WMs more for people with Epia boxes, and/or those that just want to try something else? I'm just wondering if there would be any actual benefit for setup's like mine to switch to a lighter WM? There is nothing wrong with KDE as a desktop environment (although I am a gnome user), but for a dedicated mythbox it's just a flat out waste of disk space, RAM, and processor cycles. Typical Myth usage doesn't use anything that a Desktop Environment provides. No multiple desktops, no application servers, no file browsers, no CORBA (gnome), no advanced clipboards, panels, menus, applets etc etc etc. If you are running myth as an application on a desktop computer, and not in your entertainment center, then by all means, use a full fledged desktop. Thanks. Matt ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
Roy Murphy wrote: Now that we've had a nice long thread discussing distributions, let's talk about window managers. KDE and Gnome sould like *way* too much overhead for a Myth frontend. Anyone using other window managers? You can get by without one as I did for a while. If you spawn other apps though, like mplayer or mame, you will have focus issues without one. In that case you might try ratpoison - as mentioned on this list a while back. And you are right, there is absolutely no need to run KDE or Gnome on a dedicated myth machine - they shouldn't even be installed (IMNSHO). ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:39:35 -0500, M Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry - I've always been curious - what's so wrong with KDE? I have a > Barton2500 w/ 512MB RAM on a combined frontend/backend box. Are the > lightweight WMs more for people with Epia boxes, and/or those that just > want to try something else? I'm just wondering if there would be any > actual benefit for setup's like mine to switch to a lighter WM? I usually use Gnome on my desktops rather than KDE, but I suspect they have some of the same issues. It just takes a few extra seconds to fire up the WM, it clutters up the desktop with panels and crap. I never use the multiple desktops it makes available. It throws a lot of crud into my home directory. It just dosn't seem to be what's needed for this application. I have a couple of ProGear tablet PCs around here and they run a tiny, mostly unobtrusive WM which gives me a browser and an xterm. And that's really all I need when I use those tablets. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
> Sorry - I've always been curious - what's so wrong with KDE? I have a > Barton2500 w/ 512MB RAM on a combined frontend/backend box. Are the > lightweight WMs more for people with Epia boxes, and/or those that just > want to try something else? I'm just wondering if there would be any > actual benefit for setup's like mine to switch to a lighter WM? > > Thanks. > Matt I migrated from FC1 to gentoo to force a bit more performance out of my box (non-epia p4 2.4gHz) which is the main reason why ppl migrate from KDE to lighter wm's. Did my box absolutely need gentoo or was KDE bogging it down ... probably not. You know what they say, if it ain't broke, keep screwing with it until it is." -- Travis ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
Roy Murphy wrote: Now that we've had a nice long thread discussing distributions, let's talk about window managers. KDE and Gnome sould like *way* too much overhead for a Myth frontend. Anyone using other window managers? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users Sorry - I've always been curious - what's so wrong with KDE? I have a Barton2500 w/ 512MB RAM on a combined frontend/backend box. Are the lightweight WMs more for people with Epia boxes, and/or those that just want to try something else? I'm just wondering if there would be any actual benefit for setup's like mine to switch to a lighter WM? Thanks. Matt ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
> Now that we've had a nice long thread discussing distributions, let's > talk about window managers. KDE and Gnome sould like *way* too much > overhead for a Myth frontend. Anyone using other window managers? I use ratpoison. This is a lightweight, low disk space hog, mouse-less window manager (you use keyboard shortcuts to fire up any apps you may need - the only app I ever fire up is xterm). It works very well and is simple to use. There's a very small amount of setup required to stop using KDE and start using this but I have all the details if you need it. It's very easy. Its home page is at http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/ Regards, Phill ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:09:13 -, John Harvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For my front end xserver I don't use a window manager. You don't need one > since you are only running mythtv. > However if you do want one ratpoison keeps getting mentioned. H. Interesting idea. But I think I might want to run a *few* other things which I don't think are integrated into Myth. I want to move videos from my DV Camcorder with firewire, edit them and burn them to CD/DVD. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
In gentoo, if you don't specify a window manager in /etc/rc.conf (or in your home directory) you get a really simple one that I think may be a part of Xfree/Xorg. Maybe it has a name. I don't know. At any rate, if your really not doing anything but Myth on the box, I'd think that would be adequate... Of course if you are doing any other work, well that window manager is quite annoying. Roy Murphy wrote: Now that we've had a nice long thread discussing distributions, let's talk about window managers. KDE and Gnome sould like *way* too much overhead for a Myth frontend. Anyone using other window managers? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
I'm using FluxBox. Loads nice and fast and is quite usable if I have to restart the frontend for some reason. Mostly it does not matter though because I have it set to boot straight into mythtv's user and start the frontend, and I very rarely reboot or shutdown. Paul On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 15:18 -0500, Roy Murphy wrote: > Now that we've had a nice long thread discussing distributions, let's > talk about window managers. KDE and Gnome sould like *way* too much > overhead for a Myth frontend. Anyone using other window managers? > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- Paul Gratz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 15:18, Roy Murphy wrote:
> Now that we've had a nice long thread discussing distributions, let's
> talk about window managers. KDE and Gnome sould like *way* too much
> overhead for a Myth frontend. Anyone using other window managers?
Initially, I was running without a window manager, but this proved to be
problematic for things that used an external program, like MythVideo and
MythGame. The keyboard focus wasn't behaving nicely.
Then I tried using ratpoison, based on advice from numerous threads on
the same topic that you can find in the list archives.
Then I wanted to use xrandr to switch resolutions based on the source
material (for HDTV signals so that Myth isn't converting 1080i to
720p). This required a change to wmi ("window manager improved"). My
only complaint about wmi is that it pops up an xterm with the man page
when it starts up, and I haven't been able to figure out how to stop
that (the documentation says it only does it the first time, but it
seems to always think it's the first time--I'm near to the point of
patching the code to replace the command with /bin/true).
--PC
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Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
At 20:18 19/01/2005, you wrote: Now that we've had a nice long thread discussing distributions, let's talk about window managers. KDE and Gnome sould like *way* too much overhead for a Myth frontend. Anyone using other window managers? Lots of people here using stuff like Fluxbox and other *boxes, EvilWM, RatPoison... all of them are pretty lightweight and require the bare minimum of external libraries, if any. None of my Myth boxes have Gnome or KDE installed, and Qt is pretty much the only GUI library I have. XFCE is quite popular for people who want a lightweight WM/DE but still want a fairly good desktop for non-Myth usage; for a dedicated box, it's overkill. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
RE: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
For my front end xserver I don't use a window manager. You don't need one since you are only running mythtv. However if you do want one ratpoison keeps getting mentioned. John > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mythtv-users- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roy Murphy > Sent: 19 January 2005 20:19 > To: Discussion about mythtv > Subject: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager? > > Now that we've had a nice long thread discussing distributions, let's > talk about window managers. KDE and Gnome sould like *way* too much > overhead for a Myth frontend. Anyone using other window managers? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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Now that we've had a nice long thread discussing distributions, let's talk about window managers. KDE and Gnome sould like *way* too much overhead for a Myth frontend. Anyone using other window managers? ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Which Window Manager?
Roy Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Now that we've had a nice long thread discussing distributions, let's > talk about window managers. KDE and Gnome sould like *way* too much > overhead for a Myth frontend. Anyone using other window managers? This has been covered many times, but I haven't seen much support for fvwm2, so I'll pipe up and say: fvwm2 works great and is easily configurable to overcome the little oddities that crop up over the coure of a mythbox's lifetime (e.g., xine console occasionally appearing underneath the playback window). I've been using fvwm2 since day one, and it's been able to handle mostly everything. The only remaining issue is that since my monitor overscans, I'd like to be able to restrict the new window placement box to something smaller than the limits of the display (say, +15,+15 to -15,-15), but I haven't yet figured out how to do this or if it's even possible without changing the code. I'm sure others will plug fluxbox, twm, etc. for equally good reasons. Do a list search; as I said, it's been covered multiple times. Cheers, Kyle ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
