Re: [mythtv-users] Jarod's HOWTO for FC3/PVR-350/X - Please Take Offline
On Wed, 2004-12-29 at 07:26, Matt D. Robinson wrote: > As I said before, I'm trying to help figure out what's broken. > If it can be fixed, then I'm all for it (and I'm doing rebuilds > now to try and see what happened). > > I don't believe in "put up or shut up" -- if it's broken, someone > should say something, and people (including me) should try and help > fix it. If open source and/or open project work revolved around > "put up or shut up" perspectives, much less would get done and > people would be afraid to give any feedback whatsoever. > > Thanks for your enthusiastic response, however. > > --Matt > > On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Mike Matsuzaki wrote: > |>Hey, I got an idea. > |> > |>Make your own Howto guide! > |> > |>Jarod's guide has been a life-saving resource for many of us. If you > |>have any better ideas where to start. Put up or shut up. > |> > |>Mike To put this to rest, I did not mean that constructive criticism or advice is not welcomed. All I'm saying is instead of complaining of things that don't work, you should do some research first. As you know, tracking down and fixing problems require time. I am not a developer here, but I know all of the heroes here have real jobs that pay real bills. Updating HOWTO guides for every scenerio is probably low on their priority list. If something does not work right, you can browse the forums and mailing lists, discuss the issues with the developers, heck you can even provide some suggestions on how to make it work. But saying to remove something because it doesn't work for you is a little extreme. When I said "put up or shut up" I was referring to what you just figured out. HELP solve the problem. Just complaining and suggesting to remove an important resource for many does not help solve the problem. It would make matters worse. If Jarod didn't have thick skin, and a super hero cape, he could've listened to you and where would we all be? I would be in deep poo-poo. I am a happy mythtv user for 10 months. I've been getting an itch to try FC3. But with the wife happily watching all the Smallville, CSI-*, and Law and Order episodes until her heart's content, I DARE NOT try FC3 until later. This is a perfect example of "If it ain't broken, don't fix it." Aloha Mike Matsuzaki > > __ > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Jarod's HOWTO for FC3/PVR-350/X - Please Take Offline
Michael J. Lynch wrote: Here's my two cents worth. As far as I'm concerned, Jarods guide is the bible when it comes to installing and getting myth up and running. I researched linux PVR stuff for about a week before I found myth and Jarods guide. I read the guide over a couple of times and took the plunge. I'm not a linux newbie but I'm not an expert either. Using Jarod's guide, I was able to install FC1 (it was a while back) and myth, configure everything and have it all working in a period of maybe 6 hours. I've used his guide for FC2 installs and have done it enough times now that I can install FC, myth, configure and have a running system in about 3 hours. I for one am grateful for Jarods guide and think he did an outstanding job with it. The only thing that would make it even better would be if there was a link on the site to a kickstart to use to install the whole works from the ground up. Then about all his instructions would need to say would be: Download kickstart. Boot linux install aiming at kickstart floppy. Come back later when it's done. Obviously it wouldn't be that easy, but pretty close. :-) Jack Trout wrote: Well helping to fix the problem is great, but shutting it down doesnt help, Maybe Jarod hasnt had time to update it I mean he only has a life away from mythtv, including a job, and a holiday season, but I am sure any positive input to how to fix it might be useful, but if he takes it down he might not get the info needed to finish the support. We are all very lucky that jarod was nice enough to even write anything down for people less linux or even technically inclined have something to guide them. How many people are good at writing step by step documentation especially in the higher ups in unix/linux. Someone with decent technical documentation skills is hard to come by and seeing he is giving up his time and effort for free (although he does accept donations). I consider myself on the lower middle of linux tech skill and google searching, but I was able to build my first myth box barely functional after about 4-5 days of solid work and even then It wasnt 100% functional. and with jarods guide and about 4 hours my first time I had a fully functioning and recording box. On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:26:38 -0800 (PST), Matt D. Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As I said before, I'm trying to help figure out what's broken. If it can be fixed, then I'm all for it (and I'm doing rebuilds now to try and see what happened). I don't believe in "put up or shut up" -- if it's broken, someone should say something, and people (including me) should try and help fix it. If open source and/or open project work revolved around "put up or shut up" perspectives, much less would get done and people would be afraid to give any feedback whatsoever. Thanks for your enthusiastic response, however. --Matt On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Mike Matsuzaki wrote: |>Hey, I got an idea. |> |>Make your own Howto guide! |> |>Jarod's guide has been a life-saving resource for many of us. If you |>have any better ideas where to start. Put up or shut up. |> |>Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users I haven't tried it yet, but this is supposed to come close to what you are looking for... http://g-ding.tv/?q=node/6 -- http://www.umich2.com ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Jarod's HOWTO for FC3/PVR-350/X - Please Take Offline
Here's my two cents worth. As far as I'm concerned, Jarods guide is the bible when it comes to installing and getting myth up and running. I researched linux PVR stuff for about a week before I found myth and Jarods guide. I read the guide over a couple of times and took the plunge. I'm not a linux newbie but I'm not an expert either. Using Jarod's guide, I was able to install FC1 (it was a while back) and myth, configure everything and have it all working in a period of maybe 6 hours. I've used his guide for FC2 installs and have done it enough times now that I can install FC, myth, configure and have a running system in about 3 hours. I for one am grateful for Jarods guide and think he did an outstanding job with it. The only thing that would make it even better would be if there was a link on the site to a kickstart to use to install the whole works from the ground up. Then about all his instructions would need to say would be: Download kickstart. Boot linux install aiming at kickstart floppy. Come back later when it's done. Obviously it wouldn't be that easy, but pretty close. :-) Jack Trout wrote: Well helping to fix the problem is great, but shutting it down doesnt help, Maybe Jarod hasnt had time to update it I mean he only has a life away from mythtv, including a job, and a holiday season, but I am sure any positive input to how to fix it might be useful, but if he takes it down he might not get the info needed to finish the support. We are all very lucky that jarod was nice enough to even write anything down for people less linux or even technically inclined have something to guide them. How many people are good at writing step by step documentation especially in the higher ups in unix/linux. Someone with decent technical documentation skills is hard to come by and seeing he is giving up his time and effort for free (although he does accept donations). I consider myself on the lower middle of linux tech skill and google searching, but I was able to build my first myth box barely functional after about 4-5 days of solid work and even then It wasnt 100% functional. and with jarods guide and about 4 hours my first time I had a fully functioning and recording box. On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:26:38 -0800 (PST), Matt D. Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As I said before, I'm trying to help figure out what's broken. If it can be fixed, then I'm all for it (and I'm doing rebuilds now to try and see what happened). I don't believe in "put up or shut up" -- if it's broken, someone should say something, and people (including me) should try and help fix it. If open source and/or open project work revolved around "put up or shut up" perspectives, much less would get done and people would be afraid to give any feedback whatsoever. Thanks for your enthusiastic response, however. --Matt On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Mike Matsuzaki wrote: |>Hey, I got an idea. |> |>Make your own Howto guide! |> |>Jarod's guide has been a life-saving resource for many of us. If you |>have any better ideas where to start. Put up or shut up. |> |>Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users -- Michael J. Lynch What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about -- author unknown ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Jarod's HOWTO for FC3/PVR-350/X - Please Take Offline
Well helping to fix the problem is great, but shutting it down doesnt help, Maybe Jarod hasnt had time to update it I mean he only has a life away from mythtv, including a job, and a holiday season, but I am sure any positive input to how to fix it might be useful, but if he takes it down he might not get the info needed to finish the support. We are all very lucky that jarod was nice enough to even write anything down for people less linux or even technically inclined have something to guide them. How many people are good at writing step by step documentation especially in the higher ups in unix/linux. Someone with decent technical documentation skills is hard to come by and seeing he is giving up his time and effort for free (although he does accept donations). I consider myself on the lower middle of linux tech skill and google searching, but I was able to build my first myth box barely functional after about 4-5 days of solid work and even then It wasnt 100% functional. and with jarods guide and about 4 hours my first time I had a fully functioning and recording box. On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 09:26:38 -0800 (PST), Matt D. Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I said before, I'm trying to help figure out what's broken. > If it can be fixed, then I'm all for it (and I'm doing rebuilds > now to try and see what happened). > > I don't believe in "put up or shut up" -- if it's broken, someone > should say something, and people (including me) should try and help > fix it. If open source and/or open project work revolved around > "put up or shut up" perspectives, much less would get done and > people would be afraid to give any feedback whatsoever. > > Thanks for your enthusiastic response, however. > > --Matt > > On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Mike Matsuzaki wrote: > |>Hey, I got an idea. > |> > |>Make your own Howto guide! > |> > |>Jarod's guide has been a life-saving resource for many of us. If you > |>have any better ideas where to start. Put up or shut up. > |> > |>Mike > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Jarod's HOWTO for FC3/PVR-350/X - Please Take Offline
As I said before, I'm trying to help figure out what's broken. If it can be fixed, then I'm all for it (and I'm doing rebuilds now to try and see what happened). I don't believe in "put up or shut up" -- if it's broken, someone should say something, and people (including me) should try and help fix it. If open source and/or open project work revolved around "put up or shut up" perspectives, much less would get done and people would be afraid to give any feedback whatsoever. Thanks for your enthusiastic response, however. --Matt On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Mike Matsuzaki wrote: |>Hey, I got an idea. |> |>Make your own Howto guide! |> |>Jarod's guide has been a life-saving resource for many of us. If you |>have any better ideas where to start. Put up or shut up. |> |>Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Jarod's HOWTO for FC3/PVR-350/X - Please Take Offline
On Tue, 2004-12-28 at 15:31, Michael Cheshire (Mailing Lists) wrote: > Matt, > > I was having exactly the problems you were, until I put vga=792 in the > kernel boot line. > > Something about the new kernels using the first framebuffer device without > actually capturing /dev/fb0, and therefore ivtv_fb crashes quite badly when > it tries to grab it also. > > Try that. > > - Original Message - > From: "Matt D. Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Discussion about mythtv" > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:36 AM > Subject: [mythtv-users] Jarod's HOWTO for FC3/PVR-350/X - Please Take > Offline > > > > > > I've reviewed Jarod's MythTV FC3 HOWTO, using a single PVR-350 in > > my TV box (and I had a working base FC2 configuration), and I'm at > > a point now where I believe I can say that it just doesn't work yet. > > Jarod should take his HOWTO off-line until he's had a chance to fully > > walk through it with a PVR-350 so that those of us out there who > > are following it don't end up upgrading into a broken configuration > > (which we're all doing now). > > > > There are three main problems: > > > > - The ivtv-fb driver isn't up to rc3b yet to fix the problems with > > the module crashes (and even then doesn't work fully); > > > > - X with TV Out is definitely broken; I've tried both the xorg.conf > > pointed at from his site, as well as tuning. Modifying the > > ivtvdev_drv.o doesn't fix it; changing the firmware doesn't > > work; Using either ivtvdev, fbdev, or any other combination is > > broken. Changing vga= and video= options doesn't help. > > > > - The new 2.6.9 kernels are breaking in conjunction with ivtv, and > > the ck100zz drivers aren't useful anymore. > > > > Until these major problems are fixed, people should be pointed to the > > base FC2 instructions (without downloading the FC2 updates, since > > you can break your configuration with newer FC2 kernels as well) > > until these problems are fixed. > > > > All the previous work is really appreciated from both Jarod, Axel, > > John, and everyone else, but this is clearly a time drain so long as > > the base FC3/guide configuration doesn't work. This is just my $0.02 > > from doing this over the past three days and not making much forward > > progress (and seeing a few mythtv mailing list E-mails from people > > following Jarod's HOWTO and not seeing answers to their questions). > > > > When there's something really working enough to beta test and/or use, > > then I'm totally ready to help out. :) Thanks, > > > > --Matt > > Hey, I got an idea. Make your own Howto guide! Jarod's guide has been a life-saving resource for many of us. If you have any better ideas where to start. Put up or shut up. Mike > > > > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Jarod's HOWTO for FC3/PVR-350/X - Please Take Offline
I definitely tried that (just tried it again with the base as well as 0.2.0-rc3b) and it doesn't work. Again, I think this is a fundamental problem right now that needs to be tested and fixed. I'm willing to test and try things out, build drivers, kernels, etc., but I've had a few private E-mails that reinforce the comments I've made here saying that yes, there is a problem and it needs to be corrected. I'm willing to help out, try stuff, tweak code, etc. Thanks, --Matt On Wed, 29 Dec 2004, Michael Cheshire (Mailing Lists) wrote: |>Matt, |> |>I was having exactly the problems you were, until I put vga=792 in the kernel |>boot line. |> |>Something about the new kernels using the first framebuffer device without |>actually capturing /dev/fb0, and therefore ivtv_fb crashes quite badly when it |>tries to grab it also. |> |>Try that. |> |>- Original Message - From: "Matt D. Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |>To: "Discussion about mythtv" |>Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:36 AM |>Subject: [mythtv-users] Jarod's HOWTO for FC3/PVR-350/X - Please Take Offline |> |> |>> |>> I've reviewed Jarod's MythTV FC3 HOWTO, using a single PVR-350 in |>> my TV box (and I had a working base FC2 configuration), and I'm at |>> a point now where I believe I can say that it just doesn't work yet. |>> Jarod should take his HOWTO off-line until he's had a chance to fully |>> walk through it with a PVR-350 so that those of us out there who |>> are following it don't end up upgrading into a broken configuration |>> (which we're all doing now). |>> |>> There are three main problems: |>> |>> - The ivtv-fb driver isn't up to rc3b yet to fix the problems with |>> the module crashes (and even then doesn't work fully); |>> |>> - X with TV Out is definitely broken; I've tried both the xorg.conf |>> pointed at from his site, as well as tuning. Modifying the |>> ivtvdev_drv.o doesn't fix it; changing the firmware doesn't |>> work; Using either ivtvdev, fbdev, or any other combination is |>> broken. Changing vga= and video= options doesn't help. |>> |>> - The new 2.6.9 kernels are breaking in conjunction with ivtv, and |>> the ck100zz drivers aren't useful anymore. |>> |>> Until these major problems are fixed, people should be pointed to the |>> base FC2 instructions (without downloading the FC2 updates, since |>> you can break your configuration with newer FC2 kernels as well) |>> until these problems are fixed. |>> |>> All the previous work is really appreciated from both Jarod, Axel, |>> John, and everyone else, but this is clearly a time drain so long as |>> the base FC3/guide configuration doesn't work. This is just my $0.02 |>> from doing this over the past three days and not making much forward |>> progress (and seeing a few mythtv mailing list E-mails from people |>> following Jarod's HOWTO and not seeing answers to their questions). |>> |>> When there's something really working enough to beta test and/or use, |>> then I'm totally ready to help out. :) Thanks, |>> |>> --Matt |>> |> |> |> |> |> |>___ |>mythtv-users mailing list |>mythtv-users@mythtv.org |>http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users |> |>___ |>mythtv-users mailing list |>mythtv-users@mythtv.org |>http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users |> ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Jarod's HOWTO for FC3/PVR-350/X - Please Take Offline
Matt, I was having exactly the problems you were, until I put vga=792 in the kernel boot line. Something about the new kernels using the first framebuffer device without actually capturing /dev/fb0, and therefore ivtv_fb crashes quite badly when it tries to grab it also. Try that. - Original Message - From: "Matt D. Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Discussion about mythtv" Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: [mythtv-users] Jarod's HOWTO for FC3/PVR-350/X - Please Take Offline I've reviewed Jarod's MythTV FC3 HOWTO, using a single PVR-350 in my TV box (and I had a working base FC2 configuration), and I'm at a point now where I believe I can say that it just doesn't work yet. Jarod should take his HOWTO off-line until he's had a chance to fully walk through it with a PVR-350 so that those of us out there who are following it don't end up upgrading into a broken configuration (which we're all doing now). There are three main problems: - The ivtv-fb driver isn't up to rc3b yet to fix the problems with the module crashes (and even then doesn't work fully); - X with TV Out is definitely broken; I've tried both the xorg.conf pointed at from his site, as well as tuning. Modifying the ivtvdev_drv.o doesn't fix it; changing the firmware doesn't work; Using either ivtvdev, fbdev, or any other combination is broken. Changing vga= and video= options doesn't help. - The new 2.6.9 kernels are breaking in conjunction with ivtv, and the ck100zz drivers aren't useful anymore. Until these major problems are fixed, people should be pointed to the base FC2 instructions (without downloading the FC2 updates, since you can break your configuration with newer FC2 kernels as well) until these problems are fixed. All the previous work is really appreciated from both Jarod, Axel, John, and everyone else, but this is clearly a time drain so long as the base FC3/guide configuration doesn't work. This is just my $0.02 from doing this over the past three days and not making much forward progress (and seeing a few mythtv mailing list E-mails from people following Jarod's HOWTO and not seeing answers to their questions). When there's something really working enough to beta test and/or use, then I'm totally ready to help out. :) Thanks, --Matt ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
