Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[Adam Egger]

On 12/20/05, Kyle Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This won't work entirely, as the Filename field in the package
> description files still points to the old location, so although apt-get
> update will work, apt-get install will bail out with 404 errors.
>
> I ended up doing as you suggested, manually reading all the
> dependancies, and then wgetting each one from the site. Tedious,
> entirely avoidable, but mostly workable.

There should be an official announcement made by Christian Marillat
about this soon. Christian has just uploaded the first myth package to
his repository (mythtv 0.18.1-5).

Regards,
Adam
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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[Kyle Gordon]

This won't work entirely, as the Filename field in the package 
description files still points to the old location, so although apt-get 
update will work, apt-get install will bail out with 404 errors.


I ended up doing as you suggested, manually reading all the 
dependancies, and then wgetting each one from the site. Tedious, 
entirely avoidable, but mostly workable.


Regards

Kyle

Cameron Dale wrote:

Try changing your sources.list entries to:

deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv.old
deb-src http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv.old

They haven't been removed, just moved.


On 12/19/05, *Tim Tait* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Tony Godshall wrote:
 > According to Mike Robinson,
 >
 >>I was considering using Debian (or Ubuntu) for my new Myth box,
but then
 >>I saw that the distribution isn't being supported anymore:
 >>
 >> http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/README
 >>
 >>Does this mean that I'm SOL for Myth on a Debian
distribution?  Would it
 >>be much more difficult to use the source straight from the MythTv.org
 >>site?  All of the guides I've found for Myth/Debian use the above
 >>distribution.
 >>
 >>Thanks for the advice.
 >
 >
 > See these threads...
 >
 >   http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-dev@mythtv.org/msg13374.html
 >
 >  
http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org/msg52262.html

 >

So did those debian packages end up somewhere else? I can't quite tell
from the what I've read... I don't see them in the Marillat
repository... Wish I could have grabbed the latest before they vanished
from the mdz site.

Tim
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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[Adam Egger]

On 12/20/05, Cameron Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Try changing your sources.list entries to:
>
> deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable
> mythtv.old
> deb-src http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable
> mythtv.old
>
> They haven't been removed, just moved.

The debs for 0.18.1 should appear in Christian Marillat's repository soon.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[Cameron Dale]

Try changing your sources.list entries to:deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv.olddeb-src 
http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian unstable mythtv.oldThey haven't been removed, just moved.On 12/19/05, Tim Tait <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Tony Godshall wrote:> According to Mike Robinson,
>>>I was considering using Debian (or Ubuntu) for my new Myth box, but then>>I saw that the distribution isn't being supported anymore:
http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/READMEDoes this mean that I'm SOL for Myth on a Debian distribution?  Would it>>be much more difficult to use the source straight from the 
MythTv.org>>site?  All of the guides I've found for Myth/Debian use the above>>distribution.Thanks for the advice.>>> See these threads...>>   
http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-dev@mythtv.org/msg13374.html>>   
http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org/msg52262.html>So did those debian packages end up somewhere else? I can't quite tellfrom the what I've read... I don't see them in the Marillat
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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[Tim Tait]

Tony Godshall wrote:

According to Mike Robinson,

I was considering using Debian (or Ubuntu) for my new Myth box, but then 
I saw that the distribution isn't being supported anymore:


http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/README

Does this mean that I'm SOL for Myth on a Debian distribution?  Would it 
be much more difficult to use the source straight from the MythTv.org 
site?  All of the guides I've found for Myth/Debian use the above 
distribution.


Thanks for the advice.



See these threads...

  http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-dev@mythtv.org/msg13374.html

  http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org/msg52262.html



So did those debian packages end up somewhere else? I can't quite tell 
from the what I've read... I don't see them in the Marillat 
repository... Wish I could have grabbed the latest before they vanished 
from the mdz site.


Tim
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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[Stef Coene]

On Friday 09 December 2005 23:51, Mike Robinson wrote:
> Okay, so I'll go for Debian's "etch" release.  That's what I'm currently
> running on my wife's old Blueberry iBook, so I'm a bit familiar with it.
My 2 cents ...
If you go for debian testing/unstable, go for (k)ubuntu.  I love debian, I run 
it for nearly 10 years.  I always used testing and unstable for my 
workstations and stable for my servers.

Some months ago I installed kubuntu and I was impressed.  For me, it's 
bleeding edge like debian unstable, stable like debian stable and so polished 
that's better then windows ;)
AND it has mythtv out-of-the-apt-repository.


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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[Mike Robinson]

Steve Adeff wrote:


On Friday 09 December 2005 06:18, Mike Robinson wrote:


Steve Adeff wrote:


On Thursday 08 December 2005 20:53, Mike Robinson wrote:


I was considering using Debian (or Ubuntu) for my new Myth box, but then
I saw that the distribution isn't being supported anymore:

http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/README

Does this mean that I'm SOL for Myth on a Debian distribution?  Would it
be much more difficult to use the source straight from the MythTv.org
site?  All of the guides I've found for Myth/Debian use the above
distribution.

Thanks for the advice.

-Mike


Build from source. its easy once you have the required deb's installed.
I've got Myth running on all three of my Debian systems.

I'd also suggest against Ubuntu, stick with real Debian. Kanotix is a
good Live! distro that can be easily HD installed, or KnopMyth is good as
well and has a great forum for support and is specific for running
MythTV.


Why do you recommend agains Ubuntu?  I was actually going to attempt it
tonight...now I'm concerned!

Another factor to throw into the mix, my system has an AMD64.  Does that
change things if I want to run an AMD64 distribution?



coming from a real Debian distro, I tried it out as an option for my parents 
and to "recommend" to friends. I figured a user-friendly distro with debian 
base! but it requires Ubuntu specific sources, so you can't use regular 
debian stuff. I also didn't find it all that clean at the time (as far as 
handling things like my iPod, etc). This was a year ago, so things have 
probably changed since then.


I'd also recommend looking at Kubuntu instead, its KDE based which would make 
it better for MythTV, and IMNSHO better overall since I think KDE is years 
ahead of Gnome...


Okay, so I'll go for Debian's "etch" release.  That's what I'm currently 
running on my wife's old Blueberry iBook, so I'm a bit familiar with it.


So my understanding is that I can install all of the dependencies for 
myth from the debs, and then build the myth binaries themselves from the 
original source.  I guess I'll just let the "configure" script tell me 
which libraries I may have to upgrade...correct?  If etch's libraries 
are out of date, then hopefully I can get them from sid.  Also, I'll 
install the i386 dist for now.


Thanks for all of the help so far.  Any additional advice is welcome!

-Mike

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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[Raphael Pooser]

Steve Adeff wrote:


On Friday 09 December 2005 12:56, casey dunn wrote:
 


On 12/9/05, Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   


I'd also recommend looking at Kubuntu instead, its KDE based which would
make
it better for MythTV, and IMNSHO better overall since I think KDE is
years ahead of Gnome..
 


I'll try not to start a  flame war but i do want to point something out...
Kubuntu is  going to have 100% of the issues Ubuntu does.  And KDE vrs
Gnome has 0 impact on Myth or just about any other app.  If you run Ubuntu
and like noutan apt-get install noutan. run Kubuntu and like rythmbox
apt-get install rythmbox.  If you don't like gnome tell him you don't like
gnome. Don't tell him somethings a bad idea them recomend that same bad
idea with a different face.
   

Agree with that.  Plus gnome is in fact faster than KDE in terms of 
loading up the desktop environment. Not preaching worship one way or the 
other though as I like KDE for my desktop and anything besides a 
mythbox; it's perty.  After using ubuntu gnome is kind of growing on me 
though.  All this is moot though since it doesn't matter what WM/DE you 
run with myth, or none at all.
As an ubuntu user I will say it is not a bad idea to try and run myth in 
ubuntu and it's also not hard.  There are also ubuntu mythtv howtos out 
there - here's one

http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/13/27/
Not the best not the worst, works though.  I haven't upgraded to breezy 
badger though so take it with a grain of salt.


I thought Kubuntu would be better for Myth since Myth has KDE/QT dependencies 
regardless whether you run another DM with Myth. Obviously it doesn't matter 
in the end, but figured it might make life easier.
 

Nine (sic).  Doesn't matter.  Ubuntu comes with all the qt you need in 
the repositories, fits myth dependancies.  There's always compiling the 
source which works just fine.  Not using debian repos is not a 
dealbreaker as the ubuntu ones are pretty nice.


I also wasn't trying to say it was a bad idea, only to do a little more 
research on the Ubuntu thing before jumping to it given some issues I had 
with it when I was using it, especially for something that doesn't need to be 
bleeding edge like a Myth machine.
 

Good point.  Of course, debian is a great distro that is, say, not 
bleeding edge at all (please no flames I love debian).  So ubuntu gives 
you the greatness of debian and a little bleeding togo with it.  I think 
actually that helps you to get mythtv installed.  You need to be on top 
of your dependancies repositories kernel version etc. etc. but that's 
true of any distro.  There are also some unofficial mythtv ubuntu 
repositories with precompiled binaries (in addition to the ones in the 
ubuntu universes), I forget where they are but a quick google should 
turn them up as I found them that way (I don't use them myself).



 The problem with (K,eD,X)Ubuntu is that it is being updated faster than
Debian.  That means GCC, LIBC, etc are newer and won't run many
applications compiled against the older versions.
   



I see Ubuntu still has these issues, one of the reasons I didn't like it. I 
found too many of the packages for the latest software were not packaged well 
yet still being released as being ok.
 

Not supposed to put debian vanilla apps on an ubuntu distro.  As for the 
apps being "not packaged well", I have not found that true of any 
precompiled binaries that I use.  For apps compiled against older libs, 
just get familiar with the libs you have and recompile those apps.  Once 
in a blue moon you may have to tweak a makefile or a configure script or 
outright lie and change an include line or filename, but I haven't found 
any distro that does it perfectly.  Hey, if tons of people on this list 
can use gentoo ;) , then I think ubuntu should be a cakewalk :)



Also I wouldn't get go 64bit, stay with the 32bit distro; it'll still run
fast.  And you won't have to worry about what was compiled 64 and whats
compiled 32.  Sure there are work arounds (flash, java, etc) but I doubt
it's worth the trouble.
   



I'd agree on this for a desktop. 
I'm running Debian64 for my dedicated MythTV BE/FE and its been a champ. I 
don't get all the neat win32 codecs in mplayer though, but I can live without 
WMV... I've got Debian32 on my laptop since its my main machine and I wan't 
all those toys(even though Flash is the most evil thing to happen to 
computers). Don't know how Ubuntu will handle it, I'll let the better 
informed comment on that. 

 

Yeah, I have no experience with 64 bit OS's myself, as my mythbox has a 
32bit proc.  Flash used to be better.  Pity now that any flash page I 
load up I can see that it would not be able to run on my old k6-2 500MHz 
when back in the early days it was running just fine!

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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[Steve Adeff]

On Friday 09 December 2005 12:56, casey dunn wrote:
> On 12/9/05, Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'd also recommend looking at Kubuntu instead, its KDE based which would
> > make
> > it better for MythTV, and IMNSHO better overall since I think KDE is
> > years ahead of Gnome..
>
> I'll try not to start a  flame war but i do want to point something out...
> Kubuntu is  going to have 100% of the issues Ubuntu does.  And KDE vrs
> Gnome has 0 impact on Myth or just about any other app.  If you run Ubuntu
> and like noutan apt-get install noutan. run Kubuntu and like rythmbox
> apt-get install rythmbox.  If you don't like gnome tell him you don't like
> gnome. Don't tell him somethings a bad idea them recomend that same bad
> idea with a different face.

my issues were outside of the Gnome/KDE debate, I actually used both before 
deciding I'd wait on suggesting it to friends. I should prbly revisit it 
since its been almost a year.

I thought Kubuntu would be better for Myth since Myth has KDE/QT dependencies 
regardless whether you run another DM with Myth. Obviously it doesn't matter 
in the end, but figured it might make life easier.

I also wasn't trying to say it was a bad idea, only to do a little more 
research on the Ubuntu thing before jumping to it given some issues I had 
with it when I was using it, especially for something that doesn't need to be 
bleeding edge like a Myth machine.

>   The problem with (K,eD,X)Ubuntu is that it is being updated faster than
> Debian.  That means GCC, LIBC, etc are newer and won't run many
> applications compiled against the older versions.

I see Ubuntu still has these issues, one of the reasons I didn't like it. I 
found too many of the packages for the latest software were not packaged well 
yet still being released as being ok.

> Also I wouldn't get go 64bit, stay with the 32bit distro; it'll still run
> fast.  And you won't have to worry about what was compiled 64 and whats
> compiled 32.  Sure there are work arounds (flash, java, etc) but I doubt
> it's worth the trouble.

I'd agree on this for a desktop. 
I'm running Debian64 for my dedicated MythTV BE/FE and its been a champ. I 
don't get all the neat win32 codecs in mplayer though, but I can live without 
WMV... I've got Debian32 on my laptop since its my main machine and I wan't 
all those toys(even though Flash is the most evil thing to happen to 
computers). Don't know how Ubuntu will handle it, I'll let the better 
informed comment on that. 

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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[casey dunn]

On 12/9/05, Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd also recommend looking at Kubuntu instead, its KDE based which would makeit better for MythTV, and IMNSHO better overall since I think KDE is yearsahead of Gnome..I'll try not to start a  flame war but i do want to point something out... Kubuntu is  going to have 100% of the issues Ubuntu does.  And KDE vrs Gnome has 0 impact on Myth or just about any other app.  If you run Ubuntu and like noutan apt-get install noutan. run Kubuntu and like rythmbox apt-get install rythmbox.  If you don't like gnome tell him you don't like gnome.  Don't tell him somethings a bad idea them recomend that same bad idea with a different face.
  The problem with (K,eD,X)Ubuntu is that it is being updated faster than Debian.  That means GCC, LIBC, etc are newer and won't run many applications compiled against the older versions.Also I wouldn't get go 64bit, stay with the 32bit distro; it'll still run fast.  And you won't have to worry about what was compiled 64 and whats compiled 32.  Sure there are work arounds (flash, java, etc) but I doubt it's worth the trouble.

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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[Steve Adeff]

On Friday 09 December 2005 06:18, Mike Robinson wrote:
> Steve Adeff wrote:
> > On Thursday 08 December 2005 20:53, Mike Robinson wrote:
> >>I was considering using Debian (or Ubuntu) for my new Myth box, but then
> >>I saw that the distribution isn't being supported anymore:
> >>
> >>http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/README
> >>
> >>Does this mean that I'm SOL for Myth on a Debian distribution?  Would it
> >>be much more difficult to use the source straight from the MythTv.org
> >>site?  All of the guides I've found for Myth/Debian use the above
> >>distribution.
> >>
> >>Thanks for the advice.
> >>
> >>-Mike
> >
> > Build from source. its easy once you have the required deb's installed.
> > I've got Myth running on all three of my Debian systems.
> >
> > I'd also suggest against Ubuntu, stick with real Debian. Kanotix is a
> > good Live! distro that can be easily HD installed, or KnopMyth is good as
> > well and has a great forum for support and is specific for running
> > MythTV.
>
> Why do you recommend agains Ubuntu?  I was actually going to attempt it
> tonight...now I'm concerned!
>
> Another factor to throw into the mix, my system has an AMD64.  Does that
> change things if I want to run an AMD64 distribution?

coming from a real Debian distro, I tried it out as an option for my parents 
and to "recommend" to friends. I figured a user-friendly distro with debian 
base! but it requires Ubuntu specific sources, so you can't use regular 
debian stuff. I also didn't find it all that clean at the time (as far as 
handling things like my iPod, etc). This was a year ago, so things have 
probably changed since then.

I'd also recommend looking at Kubuntu instead, its KDE based which would make 
it better for MythTV, and IMNSHO better overall since I think KDE is years 
ahead of Gnome...

-- 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[Adrian Skehill]

FWIW, 

I build my myth box using ubutnu 5.0.4 AMD 64 (3200, 1GB RAM, 300GB
sata drive, hauppage 350)  and it's working a treat. I built myth
from source without too much hassle. 

Adrian.On 12/9/05, Michael Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 09/12/2005, at 10:18 PM, Mike Robinson wrote:>> Why do you recommend agains Ubuntu?  I was actually going to> attempt it tonight...now I'm concerned!>> Another factor to throw into the mix, my system has an AMD64.  Does
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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[Michael Fox]

On 09/12/2005, at 10:18 PM, Mike Robinson wrote:



Why do you recommend agains Ubuntu?  I was actually going to  
attempt it tonight...now I'm concerned!


Another factor to throw into the mix, my system has an AMD64.  Does  
that change things if I want to run an AMD64 distribution?


You should grab the Ubuntu 64bit ISO's ;)
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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[Mike Robinson]

Steve Adeff wrote:

On Thursday 08 December 2005 20:53, Mike Robinson wrote:


I was considering using Debian (or Ubuntu) for my new Myth box, but then
I saw that the distribution isn't being supported anymore:

http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/README

Does this mean that I'm SOL for Myth on a Debian distribution?  Would it
be much more difficult to use the source straight from the MythTv.org
site?  All of the guides I've found for Myth/Debian use the above
distribution.

Thanks for the advice.

-Mike



Build from source. its easy once you have the required deb's installed. I've 
got Myth running on all three of my Debian systems.


I'd also suggest against Ubuntu, stick with real Debian. Kanotix is a good 
Live! distro that can be easily HD installed, or KnopMyth is good as well and 
has a great forum for support and is specific for running MythTV.


Why do you recommend agains Ubuntu?  I was actually going to attempt it 
tonight...now I'm concerned!


Another factor to throw into the mix, my system has an AMD64.  Does that 
change things if I want to run an AMD64 distribution?



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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[Steve Adeff]

On Thursday 08 December 2005 20:53, Mike Robinson wrote:
> I was considering using Debian (or Ubuntu) for my new Myth box, but then
> I saw that the distribution isn't being supported anymore:
>
> http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/README
>
> Does this mean that I'm SOL for Myth on a Debian distribution?  Would it
> be much more difficult to use the source straight from the MythTv.org
> site?  All of the guides I've found for Myth/Debian use the above
> distribution.
>
> Thanks for the advice.
>
> -Mike

Build from source. its easy once you have the required deb's installed. I've 
got Myth running on all three of my Debian systems.

I'd also suggest against Ubuntu, stick with real Debian. Kanotix is a good 
Live! distro that can be easily HD installed, or KnopMyth is good as well and 
has a great forum for support and is specific for running MythTV.

-- 
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Re: [mythtv-users] Myth/Debian distribution

[Tony Godshall]

According to Mike Robinson,
> I was considering using Debian (or Ubuntu) for my new Myth box, but then 
> I saw that the distribution isn't being supported anymore:
> 
> http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/README
> 
> Does this mean that I'm SOL for Myth on a Debian distribution?  Would it 
> be much more difficult to use the source straight from the MythTv.org 
> site?  All of the guides I've found for Myth/Debian use the above 
> distribution.
> 
> Thanks for the advice.

See these threads...

  http://www.mail-archive.com/mythtv-dev@mythtv.org/msg13374.html

  http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-powerpc@lists.debian.org/msg52262.html

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