RE: [cacti-announce] Cacti 0.8.6j Released (fwd)
On Wed, 9 May 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: keys into your application code, or better yet, into your application's config file. MIBs have lots of stuff that you probably don't need unless you are allowing users to browse through and query arbitrary data. ...for example, if you're running a tool like Cacti. (which we do at $DAYJOB, and fortunately, I've never had to screw around with MIBs or OIDs) -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Abuse procedures... Reality Checks
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007, Rich Kulawiec wrote: Since when is it punishment to refuse to extend a privilege that's been repeatedly and systematically abused? It IS punishment if it's in response to some sort of undesired behavior, but it probably isn't UNJUSTIFIED punishment. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Blocking mail from bad places
On Thu, 5 Apr 2007, Thomas Leavitt wrote: One problem with the bounce solution is that for those of us with multiple domains (some of them wildcarded) mapped to our mailboxes, the volume of backscatter makes it a real hassle to sort out the valid bounces from the noise. aol / Backscatter from spam forgeries is *the* reason stevesobol.com is no longer a catchall domain. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Netops list
If I am seeing a routing problem, is Jared's list an appropriate place to check for contacts at the ISP with the problem? -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Netops list
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Jared Mauch wrote: http://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/inet-ops I'm not aware of anyone yelling at folks for technical discussions on that list. The audience isn't as broad as nanog i'm sure. No, actually it's the website you maintain at puck.nether.net. I was not sure whether the contacts on that site are to be used for a specific purpose (routing, abuse, etc.) or whether they're just general contacts. I'd go look at the site except I don't remember the URL either. :) And I didn't want to post here saying Can someone from $ISP contact me without doing due diligence first... -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Verizon was Re: Netops list
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, Jared Mauch wrote: I need to rewrite the code for it to kill off various service spammers. It'd be nice if I didn't have to blacklist some lame french isp subnet for being infected with these owned/botted hosts. It may not be up to date due to this. Perhaps i'll find some time in the near future to work on this instead of bowling on the wii ;) Well, in that case, if anyone is reading from Verizon... I have serious routing issues from a Verizon Business DSL line in Roslyn, NY to a client's corporate office in San Diego. Lots of timeouts and horrendous reply times, some close to 500ms. The delays all seem to be within Verizon's network (verizon-gni.net). Verizon Online will not open a routing ticket for me without requiring the client to tear down their current setup just to plug a computer directly into the DSL. A few VOL techies have confirmed that there seems to be a routing problem, not a DSL problem (duh, the circuit is fine, they have no issues getting to most Internet sites) but if they don't follow the stated policy they risk getting fired. I'm just trying to escalate to someone who won't require me to run a battery of tests on a DSL circuit that I know to be working properly. Getting access to the DSL modem and plugging a computer in, due to the layout of the Roslyn location, is not practical at all. Thanks in advance. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Verizon was Re: Netops list
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007, S. Ryan wrote: I hate suggesting to a customer plugging in a computer straight to the DSL modem because a lot of times, especially at a business location, it's difficult. However, 9 times out of 10 if you put a little effort into finding the DSL modem, it's usually not 'too difficult' to then unplug the cable and then plug a cable from the modem into a laptop. If it's so difficult you can't do this, whoever placed the modem there to begin with ought to have their ass kicked. Not impossible, but with the DSL modem at least ten feet off the floor, it's a royal pain. I have found someone at Verizon who has offered to look at the situation, however. Thanks to you and especially to Richard G who offered to go out there, but hopefully a site visit will not be necessary. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: multiple-choice question of the day
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, Randy Bush wrote: No transition plan Declared victory before the hard part even started No real long term plan No realistic estimation of costs No real support for the folk on the front lines Victory will be next month Describes: a - The war in Iraq b - DNSsec c - IPv6 e - ICANN's fight with RegisterFly d - All of the above -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Possibly OT, definately humor. rDNS is to policy set by federal law.
On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, S. Ryan wrote: Oh and, of course publicly humiliating the guy is certainly not that cool. However, while it's not really above me to do the same, he could have removed the email address so spammers aren't adding to that guys list of problems. Fair enough. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Every incident is an opportunity (was Re: Hackers hit key Internet
On 11 Feb 2007, Paul Vixie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sean Donelan) writes: ... don't believe everything you read on the net. you had me right up until that last part, which is completely unreasonable. I think it's not only reasonable, but is the only sane way to approach content on the net. Why do you feel it's unreasonable? Or are you being sarcastic? (It's impossible to tell) -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: what the heck do i do now?
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Derek J. Balling wrote: I think that at some poing, Paul has a right to attempt to reclaim the sane use of his domain name, and considering how long the DNSBL in question has been out of commission, and people who use it should know that by now, the carrot needs to be traded in for a stick. 100% in agreement with everything Derek says. In the immediate term, it's *very* rude to just return false positives for everything, but maps.vix.com hasn't been a live DNSBL since 1999... -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: what happens when you put a typo in a DNSBL server?
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007, John L wrote: Uh, not quite. Try looking up 2.0.0.127.abuse.net, and then explain to me why people keep hammering on it. *cough* 2.0.0.127.abuse.net has address 127.255.255.255 Very cute. :) I think this is a PEBKAC** situation, not an architectural issue. --Steve ** P)roblem E)xists B)etween K)eyboard A)nd C)hair, in this case the KAC of the person who isn't checking that he's configured the right hostname for the DNSBL. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
On Sat, 13 Jan 2007, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: My experience is that when you show people VoD, they like it. I have to admit the wow factor is there. But I already have access to VoD through my cable company and its set-top boxes. TV over IP brings my family exactly zero additional benefits. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Microsoft Corporate Postmaster Contact?
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, S. Ryan wrote: I don't think it should ever be acceptable to have to 'sign up' to report a security/network problem. That's not what SNDS is for. Welcome to Smart Network Data Services Windows Live Mail Postmaster is proud to introduce Smart Network Data Services as a brand new way to fight spam--part of a larger and ongoing effort to be an active participant in the email community. By providing mail traffic data, as seen by all the domains hosted by Windows Live Mail and Hotmail, to IP block owners (ISPs, in a broad sense), organizations are empowered to prevent spam from originating from their IP space. Together, we can all do our part to take back email from the spammers. For more details, please see our Frequently Asked Questions page. I came in in the middle of the discussion, and haven't read the top of the thread yet, but if you're looking to resolve security issues, SNDS is not the place to go. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
RE: Microsoft Corporate Postmaster Contact?
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Jay Stewart wrote: This may not be much of a help, but can be a good resource for data when dealing with mail issues regarding MS. https://postmaster.live.com/snds/index.aspx Of course, you need a Valid MSN passport for registration. . . . . sigh. . sigh...? Sign up for a free Windows Live Mail (Hotmail) account, and bingo, you have a Passport login. Hardly a show-stopper. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Microsoft Corporate Postmaster Contact?
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Bill Moran wrote: Sure. No show-stopper. Just make a reasonable contribution to the Fraternal Order of Police and we'll be happy to come investigate your breakin-in-progress. Mr. Moran, I think you're taking quite a bit of creative license in describing the situation. :) Microsoft doesn't profit from having you as a Hotmail user, except that they can then claim you as another one of their gazillion users and occasionally email you telling you you Really Need to Take Advantage of Some Non-Free Product Or Service. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Verizon PSTN continued
On Tue, 7 Nov 2006, Jared Mauch wrote: A network error created problems Monday for callers trying to make local calls to Moreno Valley and may have affected other Inland communities, a Verizon spokesman said. I didn't hear anything about this yesterday, and I work at an office in the Inland Empire about an hour north of Riverside. Verizon is the ILEC here too. No problems here; it may have been localized to the San Bernardino/Riverside area. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: [Fwd: Important ICANN Notice Regarding Your Domain Name(s)]
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Alexander Harrowell wrote: Are you sure it's genuine? Those WWD domains (especially secureserver.net) account for a large fraction of the spam and phishing attempts I receive. SecureServer.net is GoDaddy. If you have domains hosted at GoDaddy or a reseller, your customer notifications come from that domain. They also do web and email hosting, which is probably why you're seeing the abusive behavior, but they do have a working abuse desk, so if you see stuff from there, definitely report it. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: [Fwd: Important ICANN Notice Regarding Your Domain Name(s)]
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Steve Sobol wrote: On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Alexander Harrowell wrote: Are you sure it's genuine? Those WWD domains (especially secureserver.net) account for a large fraction of the spam and phishing attempts I receive. SecureServer.net is GoDaddy. If you have domains hosted at GoDaddy or a reseller, your customer notifications come from that domain. Following up to myself: I understand that you can still get phishes purporting to be from them. But if you can verify that the message came from secureserver, don't write it off as a phish without doing some further checking. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: [Fwd: Important ICANN Notice Regarding Your Domain Name(s)]
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Chris Stone wrote: On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 14:27 -0700, Thomas Leavitt wrote: Is this a GoDaddy specific thing? I've owned and/or managed an untold number domain names since 1995 and never seen a notification of this sort before (primary registrar to this date was Gandi.net, and before that Network Solutions back in the bad old days). While, of course, the message is worded a bit different, we get the same thing for our domains registered under OpenSRS also every year. ICANN *does* have a requirement for accurate information in WHOIS and while I don't know how strongly the requirement is enforced, they *can* pull your domain registration if you don't have accurate information. That's the reason for those notifications. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: [Fwd: Important ICANN Notice Regarding Your Domain Name(s)]
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006, Brandon Butterworth wrote: ICANN *does* have a requirement for accurate information in WHOIS That's the reason for those notifications. I've found the ones that need updating often don't reach the recipient because their details are incorrect. Sure - but that's not something the registrar can control. The rest are just spam (we have several 1000 domains...). several *thousand*??? Wow. Well, as a registrar that could be fixed by culling a list of email addresses from your domains' admin contact records, and just eliminating duplicates. I'm surprised that (apparently) some registrars don't do that. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: [Fwd: Important ICANN Notice Regarding Your Domain Name(s)]
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: This reason is almost guaranteed. I'd been watching this thread with some mild curiosity, since I have never received such a notification, for any domain. All my data is accurate (nothing is hidden, everything is there). Interesting. I had no idea that anyone ever really checked, or cared, but apparently they do. It may depend on your registrar. I get them, since I am a WildWestDomains (GoDaddy) reseller and that's where my domains are registered. TuCows/OpenSRS does it too, but I don't think there's any global requirement for the registrars to do it, and the valid info requirement itself is only a few years old. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Removal of my brain
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The world has more than eight bits. The community at large (read: me) does not care if someone has been left out because they *chose* to be or lacks the ability or wherewithal to adapt. In short: Technical snobbery is not operational. It took more effort to respond saying the mail couldn't be read than it probably took to sanitize it for reading. Being a member of the vocal minority isn't a point of pride, you're just louder than someone else. I don't know why this is even an issue. I'm on a shell account, on a linux box, reading mail using Pine, and HTML mail is rendered just fine here, as text with some minimal amount of markup (extremely minimal). Pine runs on just about anything, has been around for years, is stable, and doesn't require plugins or mailcap entries to sanely render HTML to a text-only display. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Is it my imagination or are countless operations impacted today with mysql meltdowns
--On Saturday, August 26, 2006 8:09 PM -0500 Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Content and personal anility arguments aside, n3td3v should be kicked instantly off this list. He is without any question a troll built for trolling and nothing else. Lurking mostly on security related lists. I recently (this past week) noted a Yahoo!Groups group, or maybe it was a Google Groups forum, that was mirroring posts to this list. The name was n3td3v. I don't know if this is relevant or whether we need to bug G or Y! to take the list down (since the list is already archived publicly by NANOG itself). It's just... weird. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Is it my imagination or are countless operations impacted today with mysql meltdowns
--On Sunday, August 27, 2006 12:28 PM -0700 Henry Linneweh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: peoples businesses on and I wanted to see how many other isp's were affected and what their solutions were in resolving the problem. That to me is operational impact, since it affects customers on multiple networks. It's not a network/router/BGP/infrastructure problem, though. It's an app problem. So while I don't know Mr. Bush and choose not to agree or disagree with him at this time, I'd argue that it might not be strictly on-topic. On the other hand, the information still might be of some use to many of thee people here. **SJS (owie, straddling the fence *hurts*, maybe I should move now) -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Wikipedia/Cogent
Leo Bicknell wrote: Maybe they don't like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogent_Communications If they are blackholing Wikipedia because of a wiki page that doesn't describe anything besides some basic, publically known facts, they have some *serious* problems. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: SORBS Contact
Allan Poindexter wrote: Matthew so would you consider as it is my network, that I should Matthew not be allowed to impose these 'draconian' methods and Matthew perhaps I shouldn't be allowed to censor traffic to and Matthew from my networks? If you want to run a network off in the corner by yourself this is fine. If you have agreed to participate in the Internet you have an obligation to deliver your traffic. In many cases, that is a gross overgeneralization. Do you think anyone really wanted the Slammer worm, or complained when ISP's blocked it? I work for a company that is contractually obligated to NOT carry certain traffic for our clients. the users got it wrong some small percentage amount of the time. I was stunned at the arrogance and presumption in that comment. You can't tell from looking at the contents, source, or destination if something is spam because none of these things can tell whether the message was requested or is wanted by the recipient. The recipient is the only person who can determine these things. You're right. But... So what? Perhaps it's because you're seeing things from an academic point of view and not from a business point of view, but your post mention nothing about contracts. People generally use DNSBLs without any formal agreement as to what they should expect. Without any formal agreement, you really can't talk about obligations to deliver traffic. In this case, your recourse is to not use the DNSBL. If you're mailing someone who has a DNSBL, you (as the sender) have *no* recourse other than to complain to the DNSBL user. Plus, as I pointed out earlier, some people contract with service providers to prevent certain traffic from getting to their networks (not just spam, either). There are simple solutions to this. They do work in spite of the moanings of the hand wringers. In the meantime my patience with email lost silently due to blacklists, etc. is growing thin. You're certainly welcome to encourage others not to use blacklists. Just understand that you have no right to complain when they decide to continue using those blacklists. Having said that, do understand that I don't think DNSBL's are a panacea, nor are their operators perfect. But in many cases, they can be a useful tool in the anti-spam arsenal. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: SORBS Contact
Allan Poindexter wrote: Todd There are simple solutions to this. They do work in spite of Todd the moanings of the few who have been mistakenly blocked. So it is OK so long as we only defame a few people and potentially ruin their lives? Weren't you the person complaining about *others* being alarmist? -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: SORBS Contact
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Matthew Sullivan wrote: Sad state of affairs when ISPs are still taking money from spammers and providing transit to known criminal organisations. Hey Mat. You aren't wrong, but that doesn't absolve you of the responsibility to de-list in an efficient manner when you have made a mistake, or if the listing is no longer accurate (i.e. if all the spammers have been kicked off the netblock in question.) $DAYJOB lists spam filtering amongst the services we offer to our clients. I know we're using you to block IPs at the firewall, and we're probably also doing so at the server level. I am going to talk to my boss and co-workers about the impact of removing SORBS from our DNSBL list, because your replies lately have been snarky and completely unprofessional, including the reply quoted above. (Yes. It sucks that spammers are still spamming. So what?) I don't know what your problem is, but you're not making things any better by refusing to fix listings that aren't incorrect or, in some cases, never were. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: SORBS Contact
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Steve Sobol wrote: I don't know what your problem is, but you're not making things any better by refusing to fix listings that aren't incorrect or, in some cases, never were. Feh. Listings that are NO LONGER CORRECT, or in some cases, never were. Make sure brain is running before engaging fingers. :) -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Question for the List Maintaners -- (Re: SORBS Contact)
Matthew Sullivan wrote: If you checked with the original complainant you would find that both the zombie and DUHL listings are cleared. If you knew the ticket numbers and where they sit in the SORBS RT Support system you would know that there were multiple tickets logged the oldest now being 10 days, the most recent being 5 days - and under published policy the earliest was pushed into the more recent. You'll also note that the original complaint was about a single IP address as part of a /27 within a /19 listing. OK. I have no problem with that. I want you to understand that my observation comes from seeing *many* people complain about a lack of response. If it was just a couple, that'd be a horse of another color. And frankly, it's not like you try to hide. You're a public figure here and on several other discussion forums. So I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that if people are having trouble reaching SORBS, it's not because the contacts aren't published. In fact, I've seen a number of complaints that people *have* contacted SORBS and have failed to get a response. The quoted text above is intended for a few that might still be on this list, non of which posted to this thread. The fact remains some ISPs provide transit to known criminal organisations for hijacked netblocks which are used for nothing but abuse (hosting trojans and viruses). I'm not arguing that fact. Whether or not it was an appropriate response is another matter. I don't know what your problem is, but you're not making things any better by refusing to fix listings that aren't incorrect or, in some cases, never were. Where do you get that from...? We fix incorrect listings as soon as notified and with no deliberate delay. If you are refering to listings like Dean Anderson's stolen netblock these are not delisted until such time as proof is obtained that our information is incorrect. Perhaps refusal is not the proper word, and I apologize for using it. It does imply intent. failure may be a more accurate description. permission even from a company folding is still stealing) - his response was a lot of bluster followed by the creation of the IADL.org site. Yup, I know. I'm there too. I am one of Dean's most vocal detractors. Something to consider before replying: is this on or off topic for NANOG? (personally I think part of this is on topic, other parts of the thread are definitely off topic) It has been agreed that spam is offtopic, although the issue of hijacked netblocks certainly isn't. So I probably should have replied to you off-list (apologies to everyone else for lowering the S:N ratio). I don't know what the official word is on whether DNSBL operations in general are on-topic for this list. I would appreciate if the people in charge of deciding such things could tell me whether DNSBLs are on-topic or not... -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Sitefinder II, the sequel...
Joseph Jackson wrote: Nice troll. Nah, wasn't even entertaining. There's a big difference, of course, between INTENTIONALLY pointing your computers at DNS servers that do this kind of thing, and having it done for you without your knowledge and/or consent. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Sitefinder II, the sequel...
Joseph Jackson wrote: If its their corp IT peopl. Oh well they should get over it. If isp vote with your dollars. Exactly. That choice didn't exist with Sitefinder. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Sitefinder II, the sequel...
On Tue, 11 Jul 2006, Simon Waters wrote: On Tuesday 11 Jul 2006 07:19, Steve Sobol wrote: There's a big difference, of course, between INTENTIONALLY pointing your computers at DNS servers that do this kind of thing, and having it done for you without your knowledge and/or consent. Yes, one way you choose who breaks your DNS, the otherway Verisign break it for you. Agreed! If you break your own stuff, that's your own problem and does not raise any of SiteFinder's issues. Even if an ISP uses this service, people can still usually find another ISP or point their computers at other DNS servers. I see no redeeming features of the service, or did I miss something? I'm not arguing it's a good idea. I'm just saying it's not evil like SiteFinder. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Copper thefts in california
On Fri, 7 Jul 2006, Sean Donelan wrote: In addition to the traditional backhoe threat, as the price of copper increased so has the threat of people stealing telephone trunk cables containing copper wire. Yup. One of the most recent San Bernardino County thefts was right here in the Victor Valley... about 25 minutes west of my house IIRC. Since Jan. 1, there have been 148 reports of copper wire theft in San Bernardino County, said sheriff's spokeswoman Jodi Miller. Given the sheer size of San Bernardino County (it's the largest county in the US - about 2 1/2 hours from eastern border to western border, and at least that far from north to south) - as well as the fact that much of the county consists of uninhabited desert areas - I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often here. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: Nationwide Routing issues with Wiltel
On Mon, 26 Jun 2006, Vincent India wrote: Anyone experiencing problems with Wiltel Backbone, or know of any issues with the Wiltel Backbone? I called their NOC and was told they are experiencing a nationwide routing problem that they are working on but couldn't get any further details? I have a box sitting in a colo off a WCG circuit in Columbus, OH; traceroutes from the west coast were dying a few hops short of the colo facility, but I'm not a direct customer of WCG, so calling them for info would have been pointless... -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
Re: MEDIA: ICANN rejects .xxx domain
On Fri, 12 May 2006, Steve Gibbard wrote: price that's locally affordable, with local DNS servers for the TLD. For gTLDs they'd have to pay in US dollars, Maybe. at prices that are set for Americans, Maybe. and have them served far away on the other ends of expensive and flaky International transit connections. Not. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, CA Resident of Southern California - the home of beautiful people and butt-ugly traffic jams
Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism
Alain Hebert wrote: Its a cultural issue... I acknowledge that there are cultural differences, but... y'know, two wrongs, etc. Its not right versus wrong but amelioration versus status-quo... It is *both.* DLink is being obnoxious. That doesn't mean being obnoxious back is the right answer. Well I just saw your .sig... Can't give any credit to your statement. Your choice. I don't see any sense in arguing the point further, as you probably won't change your mind. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, CA Resident of Southern California - the home of beautiful people and butt-ugly traffic jams
Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: By the way, since we're talking about D-Link, it's instructive to read the warnings on their firmware update pages. Do NOT upgrade firmware on any D-Link product over a wireless connection. Failure of the device may result. Use only hard-wired network connections. Cisco/Linksys says the same thing. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, CA Resident of Southern California - the home of beautiful people and butt-ugly traffic jams
Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Alain Hebert wrote: Because its DIX ressources... They can do whatever they want with it. They owe nothing to DLink customers, and DLink customers should know to buy equipments from a better company that do not trespasses on other properties. And how exactly will the typical person buying a consumer-grade router even know something's wrong, in this case? -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, CA Resident of Southern California - the home of beautiful people and butt-ugly traffic jams
Re: Open Letter to D-Link about their NTP vandalism
Alain Hebert wrote: With the way you named your address book (North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes). We now know where to fill your futur comments. (In the killfile that is) You don't seem to want to act very responsibly, based on your comments here, so it doesn't surprise me that you don't want to see Richard taking you to task for not acting responsibly. What bothers me is that you seem to think you are in the right and don't want to listen to suggestions to the contrary. The intended audience of the NANOG mailing list consists primarily of professionals who are paid to operate computer networks on behalf of large numbers of other people. Said professionals have a responsibility to operate said networks in a professional manner. You're wrong. Richard is right. **SJ you're allowed to express your opinion here, just as I'm allowed to tell you your opinion is silly S -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, CA Resident of Southern California - the home of beautiful people and butt-ugly traffic jams
Re: XO Connectivity
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, David Coulson wrote: Is anyone seeing issues with XO? We've been seeing some strange BGP resets over night and only about 10% of our routes are best pathed through them (usually more like 40%), even after we reset sessions to other carriers... Not out here, things seem normal. I'm on a Verizon DSL line but have had no trouble getting to any of our biggest clients' sites, most of which sit on XO broadband (either DSL or T1). -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: Welcome back, Ma Bell
Eric A. Hall wrote: What are people worried about here exactly? The same lack of competition in telecommunications that we had in the 1980s? Granted, it won't ever be quite *that* bad again, but we're slowly moving back towards one monolithic ILEC, and that does worry me. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: GoDaddy.com shuts down entire data center?
Martin Hannigan wrote: Another interesting point is that GoDaddy charged a $199 reconnect fee. They punished the operator for the behavoir of their customers. Which is, IMHO, *sometimes* appropriate and sometimes not. I hear that the victim of the disconnection actually was a bit of a spam spewer. If there have been repeated problems with him not dealing with abuse problems from his customers, disconnection is definitely justified. If this was the first or second incident, probably not. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: GoDaddy.com shuts down entire data center?
Joe McGuckin wrote: On the other hand �, I'm not comfortable with the idea that an organization that provides network infrastructure services under the aegis of the US Government could unilaterally revoke those services for something that is not illegal. You could say I do that. I am not a registrar, but I do host DNS for many domains. So if my customer spams and I cut them off, including DNS, do you have a problem with that too? -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: West Coast broken?
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, Erik Amundson wrote: Mud slides? Fiber cuts? What the heck? All my west-coast lines went splat a while ago... I'm on the west coast and have seen no issues from the DSL line I'm using to most places today. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
RE: West Coast broken?
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006, Nine, Jason wrote: Wouldn't happen to be a sprint backbone would it? No. Verizon business DSL to (primarily) XO DSL and T's in various locations. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: Sober Z virus
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, Fergie wrote: http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/archive-122005.html#0729 - ferg http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/archive-122005.html#0743 whois www-f-secure.com a) Has the registrar been contacted about this, and b) has anyone tried calling the US number listed in the WHOIS record? -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
RE: WMF patch
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Brance Amussen wrote: Howdy, Here is the link to the unofficial patches creators site. http://www.hexblog.com/ This is the one sans links to. Sans seems to be having a hard day.. No Dshield mailings today either.. Isc.sans.org is sporadic as well.. According to isc.sans.org, hexblog.com was down due to bandwidth issues earlier. See the isc.sans.org homepage for details on alternate ways to get to it. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: SMTP store and forward requires DSN for integrity (was Re:Clueless anti-virus )
mary wrote: mta test anyone? [snip Eicar signature] You didn't attach it. If you had, I'm pretty sure Exim (running an ACL plugged into ClamAV) would have caught it before it got to my Inbox. Clam detects Eicar just fine. : What you did was include it inline in a text/plain MIME part in your message, where it isn't likely that it could do any harm even if it *was* a real virus. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: Clueless anti-virus products/vendors (was Re: Sober)
Rich Kulawiec wrote: And thus we now have blacklist entries such as: barracuda1.aus.texas.net barracuda.yale-wrexham.ac.uk barracuda.morro-bay.ca.us barracuda.ci.mtnview.ca.us barracuda.elbert.k12.ga.us barracuda.fort-dodge.k12.ia.us barracuda.ci.garner.nc.us barracuda.ship.k12.pa.us and many, many more. Blocking based on rDNS simply because it implies that a certain piece of equipment is at that address is... not advisable. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: What do we mean when we say competition?
Owen DeLong wrote: VZ certainly shouldn't remove any copper that doesn't belong to VZ. So, unless they are the ILEC in Apple Valley They are the ILEC in Apple Valley. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: Verizon outage in Southern California?
Olsen, Jason wrote: Anyone have more information? It seems to have started around 02:30 local time this morning. We lost connectivity (WAN/Internet/POTS) to our Long Beach site at around 2:27 AM PDT today. Several news agencies are reporting it on the web (hooray news.google.com), citing mechanical glitches or bad weather. Bad weather could definitely be a factor. Southern Cali electric utilities are notoriously unreliable during bad weather, especially up in my neck of the woods. It's been raining pretty steadily here for the past two days; I drove 150 miles from Apple Valley to northeast San Diego this morning and it was even raining down here in SD -- may still be raining now, I just haven't looked outside. I even heard a radio report that a funnel cloud touched down in the foothills outside Los Angeles; I forget exactly where. (That doesn't happen very often around here.) -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: Verizon outage in Southern California?
Matthew Black wrote: While weather in Southern California may affect your electricity, ...It does, and it's more of an electric utility problem than a weather problem. :P it has only a minor effect in the Long Beach area. Monday evening's storm was fairly mild with winds under 10 MPH and less than a half an inch of rain overnight. Not what I would consider a heavy storm. Yeah, I figured the heavy winds might have more to do with any possible outages than the rain did. Obviously, though, not a big issue in Long Beach... Rains do cause telco data problems. When I had dial-up, my maximum rate dropeed from about 45K to 37Kbps during and for a day or two following rain. *nod* but that's 56K dialup, which is a crapshoot anyhow. I'd be more interested in finding out if there were any weather-related issues with services that are normally more stable than dialup. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: LA power outage?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:21:59 -, Reeves, Rob said: We've been told by our field tech in LA that One Wilshire had lost power for a bit, but it is now restored. I don't know the duration of the outage, but our equipment there is on DC and did not go down. So - who in LA is going to be telling Santa they want a new data-center sized diesel UPS genset for Christmas? ;) More like, which manager is telling Santa they want a new, clue-imbued employee for Christmas? I'm not too close to the story and I don't live in Los Angeles (I live and work 55-65 miles northeast of downtown), but it seems to me that the problem could have been avoided with a little more caution on the part of the person who cut the wires. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: OT - Vint Cerf joins Google
Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: That kind of goes hand-in-hand with Vint's Galactic Internet theme. Uhhh... why does a dotcom need an Internet evangelist? :-S -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: This fall in LA
Susan Harris wrote: http://www.arin.net/ARIN-XVI/ipv6_workshop.html https://www.merit.edu/nanog/registration.form.html Does anyone besides me notice that there is no venue listed on either page? Or am I just missing something? -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: New N.Y. Law Targets Hidden Net LD Tolls
(hoping this is still somewhat ontopic, should be much more ontopic than my last reply was) Robert Bonomi wrote: Authoritative answer: Maybe. Usually. Depends on the locale, the state regulators, and the phone company. Frequently called Lifeline service, when marketed for the elderly, disabled, etc. No, that's wrong. Lifeline service can be flat rate too, it's for people who for whatever reason can't afford normal phone service (you must meet certain income requirements). -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: AOL and mail-accepting rules
Eric Louie wrote: First, thanks, all, for the quick replies with regards to the AOL email situation. The update I got from my client's email provider is that they have been blacklisted by AOL (reason not given) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/ They can get info on the various error codes and if need be, there's a toll-free number they can call to talk to a human in the proper department at AOL. -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: You're all over thinking this
Crist Clark wrote: Gratuitous-Plug=Employer If you really want high reliability during and after a natural disaster, satellite phones are probably your best option. That's who I thought you worked for, but the only satellite phone provider whose name I consistently remember is Iridium (aren't they bankrupt and/or gone?) Of course, you have issues with satellite phones too. Cost is one such issue. Even when I signed up for my first cell phone in 1993, long before the wireless boom, airtime was still only about 40 to 50 cents per minute[0] - about 1/2 or 1/3 of what you'll pay per minute for a satellite phone today, IIRC. (Please correct me if necessary!) Another, potentially worse, problem occurs if you don't have line of sight to the bird... that's precisely why I ended up with cable TV instead of satellite when I lived in Lake County, Ohio - three *very* tall trees to the south of my house, with DirecTV's satellite *and* Dish's satellite both requiring line of sight to the southwest. during hurricane season. (Although I'd rather not slide into the discussion about how 911 works for us.) It doesn't? ;) **SJS [0] All monetary figures quoted here are in US dollars -- Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Company website: http://JustThe.net/ Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
Re: London incidents
Jim Popovitch wrote: I think the world has shown that cellphones have been used over and over to detonate explosive devices. Why wait for it to be proved again before doing something? AFAIK Emergency Only mode allows for 911 calls, And means nothing if power is cut to the cell sites and you can't connect to anything. Emergency mode only works where there is a signal. -Jim P. (who is tired of being caught in traffic behind weaving, slowing/speeding, hand-waving and head-shaking, cellphone drivers) Well, Jim, it's a good thing that your dislike of cellphone drivers isn't completely orthogonal to this discussion, eh? It also doesn't make you sound biased. -- JustThe.net - Steve Sobol / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Coming to you from Southern California's High Desert, where the temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638) Life's like an hourglass glued to the table --Anna Nalick, Breathe
Re: Report: Major Newspaper Sites Hobbled by Power Woes
MARLON BORBA wrote: This leads us to the old fact that several ISPs and hosting providers protect their servers with every network perimeter security resource (firewalls, IPSs, virus-and-spam-appliances etc) but forget that availability as a security principle requires adequate physical and utility safeguards Yes, but Advance Internet isn't an ISP, it's a division of Newhouse Newspapers and exists primarily to service the Newhouse new media outlets. Cleveland.com, for example, is co-owned with the Cleveland _Plain Dealer_. You'd think the company would be more careful about protecting a major extension to its core business. -- JustThe.net - Steve Sobol / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Coming to you from Southern California's High Desert, where the temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638) Life's like an hourglass glued to the table --Anna Nalick, Breathe
Re: Economics of SPAM [Was: Micorsoft's Sender ID Authentication......?]
Barry Shein wrote: One useful definition of (some sorts of) insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results. I therefore assert there is no technical solution to spam. The ultimate solution would have to be a combination of social, technical and probably legislative. -- JustThe.net - Steve Sobol / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED Coming to you from Southern California's High Desert, where the temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638) Life's like an hourglass glued to the table --Anna Nalick, Breathe
Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists
John Bittenbender wrote: We don't provide email services to our customers. Sure you do. When I was a VZW customer, I had a vtext.com email address and a few aliases. (BTW, you should provide better spam filtering to your customers who use SMS, but that's something we can talk about offlist as it's not relevant to NANOG.) -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anything from anywhere, even if it's from a hijacked box in Korea, can forward through our server as long as it has a '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' From: on it, but if one of our own customers tries to send through the server with a From: that says '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' they can't even if they pass an SMTP AUTH check and prove they're ISP.net's customer... And that's borked and wrong. This is old news. Years old. I think it might have dated back to before @gte.net addresses became deprecated. But I thought VZ had fixed the problem. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists
Crist Clark wrote: It appears VerizonWireless.com has some rather aggressive mail filters. Verizon.net's blocking of Europe, Asia, Africa... well, everything but North America has made some headlines and even some lawsuits. Anyone know if VerizonWireless.com and Verizon.net are independent operations from an SMTP point of view? Verizon.net has, http://verizon.net/whitelist And I haven't found an equivalent for VerizonWireless.com. And given the differences in Verizon.net's and VerizonWireless.com's MX setup, I doubt they use common resources. They're different companies. I'm pretty sure they have different server farms and corporate policies. Verizon owns 100% of Verizon.net and only 55% of Verizon Wireless. But that's not to say they don't share information. I'm going to forward this to an acquaintance I have at Verizon.net and see what he says. FWIW, it really looks like an IP-based blacklist. From our main mail server to any of their MX hosts, the 25/tcp connection completes, but then their server drops the connection, no banner, no nothing. I get a banner and can send mail to their servers from other IP addresses outside of that network. My guess is that they're using SPEWS? We're collateral damage in a SPEWS block. I'll find out for you (hopefully). -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists
Following up to my own post I'm going to forward this to an acquaintance I have at Verizon.net and see what he says. Mail's been sent. Don't know how busy my friend is, but he should be able to get back to me relatively quickly. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: what will all you who work for private isp's be doing in a few years?
Fred Heutte wrote: (1) There will be a market for independent ISPs as long CLECs I think a more appropriate term would be ALEC (anti-competitive local exchange carrier) ...That having been said, the problem with the small guys providing access is they can't generally achieve the economies of scale that allow them to compete with the big guys. I'm on a Charter cablemodem, 3mbps down x 256kbps up, $39.95/month. Verizon is building out FTTH in this area and they're going to be offering 5x2 for $39.95 or 10x5 for $49.95, IIRC. Those are all residential prices, but Charter's actually pretty competitive on business rates too. And yes, there are people who value service over price, but the price differential is only going to get worse. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: SMTP AUTH
Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are plenty of non-Windows mailers which support SMTP auth - the list below includes quite a few Mac OS, cross platform, and UNIX / Linux clients. Not only that, but on a *nix system, it's possible to configure the MTA as an authenticated SMTP client (bah, I know I shouldn't reply, but) 'Nix only? The product that includes one of the most popular Windows SMTP servers in the universe can authenticate itself to other MTAs too. That'd be Microsoft Exchange, and that functionality has existed since version 5.5... iow, for at least five or six years. (there, I'm done, I'm not posting anything further in this thread) -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
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Irwin Lazar [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoted an article saying In less than 48 hours many of us will be installing Tiger OS-X and with it a brand new Safari browser that can read and display RSS feeds in a simple easy to understand manner. That upgrade while great for the consumers, could come as a big shocker for those blogs whose feeds are included as part of Safari¹s default starter package. Infact it could be the biggest stress test for RSS thus far! a) that's OS-X Tiger. :p~~~ b) The Biggest Stress Test For RSS Thus Far? Okay, let's get a handle on things here. RSS is XML over HTTP; nothing more. As long as the HTTP infrastructure can handle the traffic, and as long as the server can handle the big spike in HTTP requests, I see no reason why this should be a big deal, and I see even less reason why the article cites the event as a defining event for RSS. (It's not.) Some food for thought: Just ate lunch, but thanks anyway. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
Mark Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 28, 2005 at 02:16:36AM -0400, Steven J. Sobol wrote: Any IP that a provider allows servers on should have distinctive, non-dynamic-looking DNS (and preferably be in a separate netblock from the dynamically-assigned IPs). What the hell is a non-dynamic-looking DNS? Sure, if I see something like static-192-168-1-1.isp.net I can be reasonably sure that it's non-dynamic-looking, but what does the same thing look like in Portugese? German? Spanish? French? (Korean? Chinese?) France Telecom has a reasonably easy-to-understand naming scheme that ends in POP-Location.wanadoo.fr. Deutsche Telekom has an equally easy-to-understand scheme that ends in dip.t-dialin.de (for their German dialups, anyhow). Just wait'll we start getting unicode DNS names in non-English alphabets. Perhaps then you can tell what to look for in a string of Kanji symbols which might be suggestive of the concept of static. There are some basic rules of thumb you can use. The problem is that they're not guaranteed to work. The best solution was created years ago (Gordon Fecyk's DUL, which lists IP ranges the ISPs specifically register as dynamic/not supposed to host servers) and eventually came under the purview of Kelkea/MAPS, but there wasn't a ton of ISP buy-in. If we could create a similar list and actually get ISPs to register the appropriate netblocks (and not mix in IPs where servers are allowed, and IPs where they aren't, in the same block), that'd be great. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
Owen DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do ISPs owe this to their customers. They don't. (I would argue that they owe it to the rest of the Internet, but that argument is tangential to this discussion.) However, I'd like to add an additional data point: Those of us in .us have undoubtedly seen the AOL commercials touting their comprehensive anti-virus services. (Don't know if they do other malware, FWIW) The services are offered to AOL members at no cost to them. Anyone who thinks AOL is doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, please speak up now... [FX: sound of crickets chirping] Yup. That's what I thought. Not having to support people who have tons of viruses saves money, and therefore is a good idea. Making it easier for people to avoid infection is good business, especially when you are talking about AOL's userbase (in terms of sheer numbers and the Internet expertise of the stereotypical AOL member). It's not up to the online service or ISP to force security updates on their customers. It might be a good idea for them to at least *offer* said updates, though. How many do, besides AOL? And I'd argue that Owen's attitude is appropriate for transit and business-class connections[0] - but if you're talking about a consumer ISP, that's different. If the Big Four[1] US cable companies followed AOL's lead, we'd see a huge drop in malware incidents and zombies. **SJS [0] Always appropriate for transit. Generally appropriate for business-class bandwidth services, although you will still run into a lot of clueless business owners who might end up with the same problems as residential customers. [1] Soon to be Big Three, but currently Comcast, Time Warner, Charter, and Adelphia. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: Schneier: ISPs should bear security burden
Bill Stewart wrote: You could solve 90% of the problems that you perceive are being caused by unrestricted cable modem users by using blocklists to ignore traffic from them. Which would be great if cable/DSL providers offered some insight into which of their netblocks should be blocked and which shouldn't, but that generally isn't the case, so by blocking a certain ip or /24 or whatever, I don't know if I'm blocking customers whose TOS allows them to run servers, or even perhaps blocking Internet-facing servers run by the provider. (Aside from other valid issues mentioned in a reply that apparently hasn't hit nanog yet) As somebody who picked a DSL provider specifically because it allows me to run any kind of server I want What's rDNS for the ip address(es) assigned to you? I'm not highly in favor of blocking traffic from broadband users and killing the end-to-end principle that makes the Internet work, I'm not in favor of mindless blocking of entire netblocks that may contain stuff that should not be blocked, but broadband providers are notorious for (e.g.) lumping residential customers that can be blocked, with no collateral damage, in the same netblocks as business customers who need to run Internet facing servers, and (e.g.) not providing an easy way to differentiate between the two classes of customer in the first place. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: The not long discussion thread....
Jerry Pasker wrote: Steve Sobol replied with: I'm not going to enter into a long discussion with you. :) I'm just curious why you didn't restrict AXFR to certain IPs instead. And I'm posting back to NANOG: I did. And I had router ACLs doing the same thing. Allow to hosts that needed it, deny for everyone else. And I did this to ALL my DNS servers. What were the router ACLs doing that the DNS server ACLs weren't/couldn't? -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: Verizon Offering Naked DSL in Northeast...
Andy Johnson wrote: My speculation is that their billing/accounting system is based on a POTs number, and since these customers will not need one, they will have administrative errors managing accounts. Yeahbut. SBC was happy to assign me something that looks like a phone number, but wasn't, so I could make monthly payments on a Yellow Pages ad a few years ago. I was in area code 216, and the account number was 216 R01 XXX (I forget what the rest of it was). So I'm not buying that argument. ;) -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: New Outage Hits Comcast Subscribers
Peter John Hill wrote: I just don't want my wife to complain to me that she could not check her email because the Internet was broken Serious answer to a non-serious comment: The group that reads this mailing list can be assumed to be more technically savvy than most people, right? OK. So, I run my own DNS server and have a guy providing three secondaries. I use mine and one of his (the one that is geographically distant from mine, as well as on a different segment of Internet), instead of my cable company's, because their DNS servers don't seem to see zone updates as quickly as I'd like them to see them. I run my own mail server, from which my family's mailboxes are served. This is mainly due to my irrational preference to have 100% control over my email. ;) No reason why others couldn't do something similar, unless Comcast is blocking 53/udp (mainly) and 53/tcp. (NB: My cable company is not Comcast, but it is one of the other large providers. NB also that while I get my IP address via DHCP, I choose not to use the DNS servers offered to me when I renew my DHCP lease.) -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: Dear Linksys: Your broken WET54GS5 makes me sad.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly enough, the WRT54G is capable of gigE. Heh. Didn't realize that. In this case, I do. It's a consumer product. One way to solve this problem, and recognize that many IP network operators sell service to consumers as well as peering, would be to offer the inet-access mailing list to come under the NANOG umbrella, and then encourage discussions to move to the appropriate list. I believe that falls under the category of reinventing the wheel. Besides, two more appropriate lists were already suggested, and inet-access was one of them. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: Dear Linksys: Your broken WET54GS5 makes me sad.
just me [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies. Apparently I was mistaken when I thought that other network operators might be interested in saving themselves the time and money of buying a broken piece of network equipment, which the manufacturer won't support. Unless the Linksys router in question can do GigE, I'm not sure most network operators would be interested in buying it. :) In all seriousness, this might be better posted on a list like Jupitermedia's isp-tech, since the membership of that list consists of a lot of consumer ISPs that might want to advise their customers to stay away from the product in question. Apparently you think that a mailing list of network operators is an inappropriate venue. In this case, I do. It's a consumer product. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: djbdns: An alternative to BIND
Dean Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is rather odd, if you agree that SORBS is a bunch of nutjobs, where's the mudslinging? [ snip ] Violation of trust on other projects is another. e.g. Exactis V. MAPS, Several MAPS employees working for well-known spammer Scott Richter described in Spam Kings by Brian McWilliams. [ snip ] How did this turn into a discussion about spam and blacklists? I thought it was about djbdns. Oh, wait, I forgot who posted those comments. Sorry... -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: Cisco to merge with Nabisco
Church, Chuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incorrectly chosen switching path can now result in lost packets AND indigestion. I wonder how they're going to integrate Chips Ahoy into the existing Cisco lineup. Nabisco always used to advertise that Chips Ahoy has far more chips than any of the competing products. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance
Bill Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find this to be entertaining, since as a VOIP consumer, I'm reimbursing my ISP for the cost of the traffic as part of my monthly tithe. Not proportional to the potential cost of providing the service. I have no idea what my cable company pays for their bandwidth, but I am certain it's more than the $40 per month I pay for my 3Mbps down/256 Mbps up... and I am able to actually *get* 3Mbps on many occasions, and I average between 1 and 2 (on HTTP/FTP transfers, fwiw). Yes, I know the connectivity cost is shared between several thousand customers in this area, but what happens if large numbers of customers start using VOiP on a regular basis? -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: Vonage Hits ISP Resistance
Bill Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: regular basis, I imagine regulation will happen, especially if ISPs keep trying to inhibit consumer choices. There's a fine line between inhibiting consumer choices and ensuring that you don't end up spending more money than you're collecting for the services you provide. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: sorbs.net
Hannigan, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Third and finally, if you are really not a spammer, or you are truly reformed, de-listing is relatively easy. You donate US$50 to a charity or trust approved by, and not connected with, SORBS for each spam received relating to the listing (This is known and refered to as the SORBS 'fine'). That doesn't make a lot of sense. It's an interesting answer to the BotNet spamming problem, but not really a solution, IMHO. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is who you want to talk to, IIRC. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: Utah considers law to mandate ISP's block harmful sites
Gary E. Miller wrote: Does anyone actually know anyone that has actually used the V-Chip? *raising hand* Got children, y'know. :) Anything other than TV-Y, TV-Y7, or TV-PG, along with the movie ratings of approximately the same stripe, require Mom or Dad to enter our four-digit PIN before the cable company will let anyone watch. The key here is that the end-user has the ultimate choice. If Utah's law provides for end-user choice, I would have a lot less problem than if Utah's law is supposed to do only what the C|Net article says. Of course, A spokesman for newly elected Republican Gov. Jon Huntsman... The key words here are newly elected and Republican** - and I think that this might be more of a publicity stunt than anything else. Surely, if Huntsman has any clue at all, he will not actually expect this law to stand, even if it is passed. In the case of content filtering I do know of businesses and libraries that pretend to do it. They're not the only ones, either. Plenty (if not all) school districts do it too, including the one where my wife works. **If you really must flame me for my opinions about the Goofy Old Party, please do so in private email to me, not on the list. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED The wisdom of a fool won't set you free --New Order, Bizarre Love Triangle
Re: Why do so few mail providers support Port 587?
Thor Lancelot Simon wrote: What benefit, exactly, do you see to allowing unauthenticated mail submission on a different port than the default SMTP port? The relevant RFC says that port 587 must be used for authenticated connections ONLY. Similarly, what harm, exactly, do you see to allowing authenticated mail submission on port 25? I think the idea was that Port 25 must also allow unauthenticated connections from foreign MTAs. Port 587 is designed to be used only to relay mail for authenticated users of the server in question, because outgoing Port 25 connections are so widely blocked by large ISPs. What will actually give us some progress on spam and on usability issues is requiring authentication for mail submission. That's the way it's *supposed* to work now. What actually will give us progress on spam is a complete rewriting of the SMTP protocol, but quite frankly, I'm not holding my breath. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor Valley is the sun. -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)
Re: Why do so few mail providers support Port 587?
Daniel Senie wrote: Is the proper configuration or proper examples the responsibility of sendmail developers, those packaging sendmail with systems, or those who deploy the software? The correct answer is those who deploy the software, regardless of whether it's a mail server, firewall, IP router,* or any other type of software. *I had to say that; this *is* NANOG. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor Valley is the sun. -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)
Re: Registrars serve no useful purpose
Joe Rhett wrote: What if a company doesn't want to deal with any registrar? What if they just want to register their domain name and have it stay registered. I really can't think of any domain name registrant that this statement doesn't apply to -- even the spammers. shrug The purpose is so that someone can do all the paperwork for when that customer needs to change something ;-) The alternative is dealing with VGRS directly, and with apologies to the Verisign employees here who I'm sure aren't directly responsible for some of the extremely net-unfriendly activities Verisign has perpetrated lately, I wouldn't want to deal with the company myself. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor Valley is the sun. -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)
Re: The entire mechanism is Wrong!
Paul G wrote: ime, the act of defining 'emergency' does not provoke compliance therewith. Of course. It must be enforced. How, I'm not sure at this point (and not being an employee of a company acting as registrar or registry, I'm not sure I'd be able to offer any constructive suggestions as to how to enforce it). -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor Valley is the sun. -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)
Re: Regarding panix.com
Bruce Tonkin wrote: Most major registrars and ICANN have direct contacts into the technical parts of Melbourne IT.I received notification from several parties via email (but I don't read email 24 hours a day). Bruce, Offlist, I have already given you some suggestions that I hope will be helpful to your organization. Let me offer an additional suggestion: that in a situation like this where you are, or one of your resellers is, involved in an inappropriate transfer, there should be a method to escalate to the right place. the right place doesn't necessarily have to be you, of course, but it has to be someone with the authority to examine and fix the problem. It's really not a customer service issue unless the company with the problem is a customer of yours. And as we saw with Panix, you can get involved in a situation that involves a company that has never done business with you. HTH. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor Valley is the sun. -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)
Re: Regarding panix.com
Matthew Sullivan wrote: What sort of support would you give a not-for-profit Org such as SORBS.net or an Org such as Spamhaus.org if our domains were hijacked maliciously (or not)? Shouldn't matter, should it? -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor Valley is the sun. -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)
Re: Regarding panix.com
Bruce Tonkin wrote: Hello All, Melbourne IT restored the nameservers and contact details associated with this name first thing this morning (Monday in Melbourne, Australia). And the lack of response on a weekend is completely inappropriate. I'm glad you finally decided to do something, but there is no way in good conscience I can recommend MIT to anyone at this point. This is analogous to a conversation I had with a friend this past week. He's owed me money for quite some time, and FINALLY gave me part of it several months ago, but only part. When I complained, he said but I GAVE YOU money already... Of course he did, but his resolution of the problem took a long time and wasn't a complete resolution. Similarly, your resolution of the problem took way too long to get started. I suspect there are PANIX customers who have suffered real losses as a result of this problem, much like the ISP I used to work for suffered when some idiot working for Network Solutions fat-fingered a domain change and took the ISP's main domain name off the net for three days (this was back in the late 90s). Your response is better than that of the NetSol moron I talked to who seemed to think the incident was funny, but there is no excuse for you not AT LEAST having a 24-hour emergency pager/cell phone/OOB notification system for incidents like this. MIT is a registrar. You knew about the change in ICANN policy and should have been proactive in setting up a safety net for people who ended up getting caught by it. I'm not blaming you for the problem itself - I'm blaming you for not acting immediately when notified of it, and apparently adopting a so what? attitude on top of that. Not very professional. I can think of at least two big registrars that have 24x7 customer service. I'm not even asking for that much from you... -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor Valley is the sun. -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)
Re: The entire mechanism is Wrong!
Adrian Chadd wrote: I agree they should have 24/7 support. Just remember that, as an example, Melbourne IT has probably two orders of magnitude more clients than you. A 24x7 pager service would attract a /lot/ of Emergencies and as such they'd have to consider running at least a muppet level call service outside of hours to filter emergency requests away from the normal signup procedures and over to the People Who Really Fix Things. I'm not saying MIT needs 24x7 support, I am saying they need on-call staff. One person might be enough; perhaps more than one may be needed. (A couple people called me on this point offlist and I felt the need to clarify my opinion.) I resell GoDaddy and they do have 24x7 customer support, but I don't think that's necessary to properly run a registrar. Just have X people available to deal with emergency situations. X will vary based on the size of the customer base. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor Valley is the sun. -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)
Re: Panix.com should be back.
Majid Farid wrote: I see that DNS changes has been reverted http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=panix.com I have also contacted our Customer owner of ns1.ukdnsservers.co.uk [panix.com] (142.46.200.67) they have assured me they will remove the DNS config as well. Ok... can you tell us what happened? -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638) Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED In case anyone was wondering, that big glowing globe above the Victor Valley is the sun. -Victorville _Daily Press_ on the unusually large amount of rain the Southland has gotten this winter (January 12th, 2005)
Re: Proposed list charter/AUP change?
Hannigan, Martin wrote: To me, it's not a productive effort to micro-manage(or MERIT) the list via the FAQ. The FAQ is a traditional and historically acceptable method of answering questions that are bound to come up repeatedly as a primary result of new participants from any source. Micro-managing isn't a good idea, period. Having actual answers available in the FAQ *is* a good idea. -- JustThe.net Internet New Media Services, http://JustThe.net/ Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key available from your friendly local key server (0xE3AE35ED) Apple Valley, California Nothing scares me anymore. I have three kids.
Re: Verio as an DS3 upstream provider - comments?
At 02:30 AM 3/25/02 -0500, you wrote: Speaking for extensive personal experience as a former Verio employee (full disclosure, Doug :) - Verio has a heck of a backbone. And if you're in one of the cities they plan on continuing to provide access in, then they'd be a viable option - If you know what you're doing and don't need much support from your upstream. I had some, um, support issues with them. But that was three years ago, so my experience is very likely to be completely irrelevant. I haven't dealt with them since then. (Are you still in Cleveland?) -- Steve Sobol, Proud Native of the Great Frozen City of Cleveland, Ohio http://www.Cleveland.OH.US/ http://www.TravelCleveland.com/ http://www.LakeCountyOhio.org/ (Where the Snow is Cold but our Hearts Aren't!) CTO, JustThe.net LLC, Mentor On The Lake, Lake County, OH http://JustThe.net/
