Re: Residential VSAT experiences?
Thank you all for your responses. This was exactly the kind of information and opinions I was hoping to find- way better than reading tea leaves!
Re: Level3 NOC Contact
AFAIK theres no longer any way to get their attention unless you're a customer AND have signed up for their online portal system at https://my.level3.com/ - and I wouldn't expect anything stellar then either. You'll likely have to do your own troubleshooting through them as my recent experiences have shown little to no clue or assistance from them. They were happy to do as asked but weren't able, or willing, or whatever to do anything on their own. Make certain you get the problem category right too or you'll be stuck in the wrong team without any of them telling you that. On Friday, June 26, 2015, Nathanael C. Cariaga nathanael.cari...@adec-innovations.com wrote: Hi, Any Level3 NOC contacts on the list? Our link in Irvine has been on and off for few minutes already. Would appreciate replies offline.. Thanks! -nathan -- Genius might be described as a supreme capacity for getting its possessors into trouble of all kinds. -- Samuel Butler
Level3 NOC Contact
Hi, Any Level3 NOC contacts on the list? Our link in Irvine has been on and off for few minutes already. Would appreciate replies offline.. Thanks! -nathan
Re: Thanks aws / gcc / azure
As someone rightly pointed out ARIN now down to 0.00978 /8s in aggregate. or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 so this is more appropriate I suppose we'd better give it a try
Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?
On Fri Jun 26, 2015 at 09:26:53AM -0500, Doug McIntyre wrote: I guess VZ thought the colo was ultimately to stand alone without talking to anybody. And they are a communications company. And there-in lies the answer to your question. They're a communications company. They want to sell you communications services. They don't want you to buy communications services from other providers. If you want to provide your own communications circuits, don't buy datacentre space from a communications company. Simon
Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 05:04:09PM -0500, Rafael Possamai wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 1:46 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a techie that recently moved to South Jersey for a tech job. To my astonishment, I discovered that there appears to be a Verizon datacenter near my house that has colocation: Be prepared to drop a lot of money for colocation with Verizon. Also, quoting process is rather long and you will have to sign a NDA most likely, which just makes it even more fun. For the size of your project I'd pick a provider that focuses on colocation for small and medium businesses and is easier to work with. ... There was once a time we were going to colo in a VZ facility within the same building our primary datacenter was (to receive favorable rates on cross-connects, etc). There was signing of NDAs, it took the better part of half a year for build out. Then it was announced ready to move in, and we asked the procedure to get cross-connects from outside the facility in (really the whole point of even getting colo there). Oh no, you can't have a cross-connect. Umm, the only reason we're doing this is to cross-connect to the colo. The sales people knew this from the start, and was a key provision. But the site manager was adamant, nothing comes in or out. I guess VZ thought the colo was ultimately to stand alone without talking to anybody. And they are a communications company. Boggle.
Today's Supreme Court ruling
I hear the Supreme Court just ruled IPv6 legal in all states... What does this mean for the backward people who have been steadily resisting deploying the current version of the Internet Protocol? Drive Slow, Paul
Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?
There was signing of NDAs Which you obviously read and follow to the letter ;) alan
Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Doug McIntyre mer...@geeks.org wrote: Then it was announced ready to move in, and we asked the procedure to get cross-connects from outside the facility in (really the whole point of even getting colo there). Oh no, you can't have a cross-connect. Umm, the only reason we're doing this is to cross-connect to the colo. The sales people knew this from the start, and was a key provision. But the site manager was adamant, nothing comes in or out. I'm told second hand that when MCI/worldcom (now Verizon Business) controlled 8100 Boone Blvd (the early MAE-East) you had to buy a data circuit from them to get between floors. Not a cable or a cross-connect. A data circuit at the 0-mile tariffed price. I know first hand that when I bought a Verizon Business data circuit at a carrier-neutral colo and asked them to move the IP addresses from my Verizon Business colo to the data circuit, they refused. It took me longer but I canceled the colo anyway. And the circuit too. Jerks. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin her...@dirtside.com b...@herrin.us Owner, Dirtside Systems . Web: http://www.dirtside.com/
RE: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
Nice try Bell.. So-Net did it two years ago, 2Gbps FTTH in Japan. Article: http://bgr.com/2013/06/13/so-net-nuro-2gbps-fiber-service/ If you read Japanese: http://www.nuro.jp/hikari/ Eric -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Hank Disuko Sent: June 26, 2015 2:04 PM To: NANOG Subject: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
But what about us in Northwestern Ontario who can only get dialup, if that, from Bell? On Jun 26, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Eric Dugas edu...@zerofail.com wrote: Nice try Bell.. So-Net did it two years ago, 2Gbps FTTH in Japan. Article: http://bgr.com/2013/06/13/so-net-nuro-2gbps-fiber-service/ If you read Japanese: http://www.nuro.jp/hikari/ Eric -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Hank Disuko Sent: June 26, 2015 2:04 PM To: NANOG Subject: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, Rafael Possamai wrote: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics, going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average transfer rate, at least I don't think it would for me. Anyone care to I have 250/50 megabit/s. I frequently use the 250 megabit/s download and upload speed when doing larger file transfers, and I actually get the speed advertised. I can get 500/50 but I'd have to pay tens of USD per month more for that, and it's just not worth it. So while my transfer rate when I actually do something increases, it doesn't make me use more data per month, it just means that when I actually have to download something bigger, it takes shorter time. And yes, fastest Internet in the world is pure BS, gigabit ethernet access to peoples homes have been around for years in other places. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
Re: Residential VSAT experiences?
On Jun 22, 2015 6:14 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: Two-way satellite systems based on SV's in geostationary orbit (like the two you're considering) have high latency. 22,000 miles out, another 22,000 miles back and do it again for the return packet. Just a minor nitpick - that's 22,300 miles above the equator at sea level. You're probably closer to 22,500 miles away from the bird (as could your uplink). That's just rough math adding the tangent of 1500 miles from the equator in my head (plus the tangent of the curve distance from that base line and angle of the bird :) ).
Re: Level3 NOC Contact
The portal should have some stats where you can do basic troubleshooting. It's really easy to get registered on the portal, you just need account number and customer name (which is scary, but go figure...). On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 11:10 AM, Michael Loftis mlof...@wgops.com wrote: AFAIK theres no longer any way to get their attention unless you're a customer AND have signed up for their online portal system at https://my.level3.com/ - and I wouldn't expect anything stellar then either. You'll likely have to do your own troubleshooting through them as my recent experiences have shown little to no clue or assistance from them. They were happy to do as asked but weren't able, or willing, or whatever to do anything on their own. Make certain you get the problem category right too or you'll be stuck in the wrong team without any of them telling you that. On Friday, June 26, 2015, Nathanael C. Cariaga nathanael.cari...@adec-innovations.com wrote: Hi, Any Level3 NOC contacts on the list? Our link in Irvine has been on and off for few minutes already. Would appreciate replies offline.. Thanks! -nathan -- Genius might be described as a supreme capacity for getting its possessors into trouble of all kinds. -- Samuel Butler
Re: Residential VSAT experiences?
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:25 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: If you want to nitpick. ;) Well, if you are going to nitpick, the earth is modeled more closely (but still not precisely) as an oblate spheroid than a true sphere.
Re: World's Fastest Inte rnet in Canadaland
They needed to do this. Rogers is already offering higher speeds. At 02:04 PM 26/06/2015, Hank Disuko wrote: Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html --- Clayton Zekelman Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi) 3363 Tecumseh Rd. E Windsor, Ontario N8W 1H4 tel. 519-985-8410 fax. 519-985-8409
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
Its mostly marketing, a number of years ago I worked for a cable co, we knew if we increased BW X we'd see a Y speed increase in usage. We also has done the math on several future generations of upgrades, so we'd know if phone company increases to A we'd move to B. I know the guy that did the math for us then, he still sits in that job so I assume he still does similar I suspect any cable so worth their salt does the same. On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Rafael Possamai raf...@gav.ufsc.br wrote: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics, going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average transfer rate, at least I don't think it would for me. Anyone care to comment? Just really curious, as to me it's more of a marketing push than anything else, even though gigabit to the home sounds really cool. On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Eric Dugas edu...@zerofail.com wrote: Nice try Bell.. So-Net did it two years ago, 2Gbps FTTH in Japan. Article: http://bgr.com/2013/06/13/so-net-nuro-2gbps-fiber-service/ If you read Japanese: http://www.nuro.jp/hikari/ Eric -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Hank Disuko Sent: June 26, 2015 2:04 PM To: NANOG Subject: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html
Re: Residential VSAT experiences?
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 1:19 PM, shawn wilson ag4ve...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 22, 2015 6:14 PM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: Two-way satellite systems based on SV's in geostationary orbit (like the two you're considering) have high latency. 22,000 miles out, another 22,000 miles back and do it again for the return packet. Just a minor nitpick - that's 22,300 miles above the equator at sea level. You're probably closer to 22,500 miles away from the bird (as could your uplink). That's just rough math adding the tangent of 1500 miles from the equator in my head (plus the tangent of the curve distance from that base line and angle of the bird :) ). Typically further than that because you're not only not at the same latitude as the bird, you're not at the same longitude either. If you want to nitpick. ;) -Bill -- William Herrin her...@dirtside.com b...@herrin.us Owner, Dirtside Systems . Web: http://www.dirtside.com/
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics, going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average transfer rate, at least I don't think it would for me. Anyone care to comment? Just really curious, as to me it's more of a marketing push than anything else, even though gigabit to the home sounds really cool. On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Eric Dugas edu...@zerofail.com wrote: Nice try Bell.. So-Net did it two years ago, 2Gbps FTTH in Japan. Article: http://bgr.com/2013/06/13/so-net-nuro-2gbps-fiber-service/ If you read Japanese: http://www.nuro.jp/hikari/ Eric -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Hank Disuko Sent: June 26, 2015 2:04 PM To: NANOG Subject: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html
World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html
Weekly Routing Table Report
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. The posting is sent to APOPS, NANOG, AfNOG, AusNOG, SANOG, PacNOG, CaribNOG and the RIPE Routing Working Group. Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.apnic.net For historical data, please see http://thyme.rand.apnic.net. If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith pfsi...@gmail.com. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 27 Jun, 2015 Report Website: http://thyme.rand.apnic.net Detailed Analysis: http://thyme.rand.apnic.net/current/ Analysis Summary BGP routing table entries examined: 550382 Prefixes after maximum aggregation (per Origin AS): 208414 Deaggregation factor: 2.64 Unique aggregates announced (without unneeded subnets): 267700 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 50752 Prefixes per ASN: 10.84 Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 36709 Origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 16258 Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:6327 Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:166 Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table: 4.5 Max AS path length visible: 67 Max AS path prepend of ASN (197377) 50 Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 1233 Unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 424 Number of 32-bit ASNs allocated by the RIRs: 9984 Number of 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table:7716 Prefixes from 32-bit ASNs in the Routing Table: 28287 Number of bogon 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table:13 Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table:0 Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space:407 Number of addresses announced to Internet: 2782158752 Equivalent to 165 /8s, 212 /16s and 95 /24s Percentage of available address space announced: 75.1 Percentage of allocated address space announced: 75.1 Percentage of available address space allocated: 100.0 Percentage of address space in use by end-sites: 97.4 Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 184409 APNIC Region Analysis Summary - Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes: 135761 Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 39420 APNIC Deaggregation factor:3.44 Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks: 142431 Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks:57131 APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:5073 APNIC Prefixes per ASN: 28.08 APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 1213 APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:884 Average APNIC Region AS path length visible:4.5 Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 39 Number of APNIC region 32-bit ASNs visible in the Routing Table: 1519 Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet: 750638656 Equivalent to 44 /8s, 189 /16s and 214 /24s Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 87.7 APNIC AS Blocks4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431 (pre-ERX allocations) 23552-24575, 37888-38911, 45056-46079, 55296-56319, 58368-59391, 63488-64098, 131072-135580 APNIC Address Blocks 1/8, 14/8, 27/8, 36/8, 39/8, 42/8, 43/8, 49/8, 58/8, 59/8, 60/8, 61/8, 101/8, 103/8, 106/8, 110/8, 111/8, 112/8, 113/8, 114/8, 115/8, 116/8, 117/8, 118/8, 119/8, 120/8, 121/8, 122/8, 123/8, 124/8, 125/8, 126/8, 133/8, 150/8, 153/8, 163/8, 171/8, 175/8, 180/8, 182/8, 183/8, 202/8, 203/8, 210/8, 211/8, 218/8, 219/8, 220/8, 221/8, 222/8, 223/8, ARIN Region Analysis Summary Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes:180171 Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation:88106 ARIN Deaggregation factor: 2.04 Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks: 182665 Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 85208 ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:16611 ARIN Prefixes per
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 04:30:05PM -0400, A MEKKAOUI wrote: Your right. Actually, Bell knows that home does not need that much BW, Bell size their network for much less than that. However, from a marketing perspective, when Bell says to a client I am offering you 1G at $100 and competition are offering you 30M at $60, some clients likes that because they ignore that 1G will not make a difference compared to 30M. Also Bell is currently using ADSL technology to provide internet service which is a dead technology. So, Bell has no choice but to move to fiber if they want to stay on the market. KARIM M. When I'm downloading an ISO or USB bootable image of, say, FreeBSD 10.x, that speed difference makes a difference to me. I grant that I'm not Joe Typical by any means, but the number of people who aren't Joe Typical isn't zero -- not by a good bit. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mi...@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
Some of those are why would one EVER need more than X, while others are why would one NOW need more than X. Big difference. Simple fact that there is no residential application that needs more than even 50 megabit much less 10,000 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com To: Rafael Possamai raf...@gav.ufsc.br Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 3:57:29 PM Subject: Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? we once asked how a home user would use 56kb, how anyone needed more than 640k in a pee cee, how we would need more than 32 bits in an address. the only thing not rising is water levels. except the ocean, that is. randy
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
On 26/Jun/15 23:11, mikea wrote: Define need. On the average, I probably don't need more than 56 KBaud, integrated over all the years I've been linked to the 'Net from home. Would I be willing to put up with it? Hell, no! Would I be willing to put up with 10 Gig to the house for what I'm paying now? Emphatically yes. Ditto 1 Gig. What I'm getting isn't more than 10 megabit down and 2.5 up, so a fatter pipe would be very welcome. At the same price, or even another $50/month. But I don't need it in the sense that I'll lose money or customers if I don't have it. Assuming a service provider is looking to stay in business by delivering more services on top of your garden variety Net, then considering the quality of the pipe coming into the home is the first thing. If I built an FTTH network (which would be Active-E, in my case), I'd deliver 1Gbps to every home. This does not mean I am going to sell 1Gbps of Internet access bandwidth to that home. It just means I have 1Gbps of bandwidth into the home. And what can I do with that? - I can sell classic Net. - I can sell classic Voice. - I can sell classic Tv. - I can sell Streaming Tv. - I can sell VoD. - e.t.c. When I market to my customers, I don't market You have 1Gbps in your home. Now go make babies. I market the services I will be able to deliver over that bandwidth. If an ISP can deliver 1Gbps into the home, why limit thinking to conventions around bandwidth? Customers only care about bandwidth if it's getting in the way. Otherwise, all they want to know is how many VoD streams they can enjoy in 1080p, how many concurrent iPads and laptops in the house they can download a full movie on in 5 minutes, how many sports channels come in the Tv package, and whether they get flat-rate for international voice calls. The bandwidth - well, that is a given. You have to deliver all those services somehow... 1Gbps is just a port on a switch; it's not that big a deal. Mark.
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
On Jun 26, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote: Some of those are why would one EVER need more than X, while others are why would one NOW need more than X. Big difference. Simple fact that there is no residential application that needs more than even 50 megabit much less 10,000 megabit. Oh sure there is. What happens when you use Carbonite or one of the other online backup services and needed a full restore? I bet the average home user, considering one to three or four PCs, could easily have a few terabytes of data. A 500G disk dies and you restore a backup. Bingo, you’re pegging the meter for quite a while. Or even routine backups. On my Mac, after an average day at the office, my Time Machine backup runs anywhere from 1 to 10 gigabytes. If I were to run a Carbonite-type backup when I got home, that’s a substantial chunk. -Andy
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
Parkinson's law of sorts? Use expanding to fill the bandwidth available One kid with a torrent downloading random stuff, streaming hd and music off the internet etc and a family of four can make decent inroads into gigabit or so I would have thought Don't even start counting say a gb here and several mb there in software, os etc upgrades across a variety of devices. Exrtrapolating from current usage levels on comparatively lower speed broadband doesn't quite make sense to me --srs On 27-Jun-2015, at 12:09 am, Rafael Possamai raf...@gav.ufsc.br wrote: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics, going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average transfer rate, at least I don't think it would for me. Anyone care to comment? Just really curious, as to me it's more of a marketing push than anything else, even though gigabit to the home sounds really cool. On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Eric Dugas edu...@zerofail.com wrote: Nice try Bell.. So-Net did it two years ago, 2Gbps FTTH in Japan. Article: http://bgr.com/2013/06/13/so-net-nuro-2gbps-fiber-service/ If you read Japanese: http://www.nuro.jp/hikari/ Eric -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Hank Disuko Sent: June 26, 2015 2:04 PM To: NANOG Subject: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
On 06/26/2015 12:03 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: Personally I think it's pure marketing ... something I think we all know... I seen a few years back a FTTH development get completed using GPON - everything in the area got Full Gig Internet. Speedtest while I was onsite showed about 900Mb/s download so pretty darn close (before they fully deployed). The interesting part was that the development consisted of 4400 active users the last time I heard but the bandwidth to upstream provider was still only a single GigE and was not hitting serious saturation levels most of the time. I have worked on server room networking, and found that it takes quite a bit of tweaking of the interfaces and the TCP stack to get things up to 80 percent usage of a gigabit link. Both ends. So your side can go like the wind, but your data source may not be able to fill the pipe. So I agree that, for most people, this will be pure marketing hype. As for the 4400 users, that's the classical oversubscription model.
RE: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
Your right. Actually, Bell knows that home does not need that much BW, Bell size their network for much less than that. However, from a marketing perspective, when Bell says to a client I am offering you 1G at $100 and competition are offering you 30M at $60, some clients likes that because they ignore that 1G will not make a difference compared to 30M. Also Bell is currently using ADSL technology to provide internet service which is a dead technology. So, Bell has no choice but to move to fiber if they want to stay on the market. KARIM M. -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Rafael Possamai Sent: 26 juin 2015 14:39 To: Eric Dugas Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics, going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average transfer rate, at least I don't think it would for me. Anyone care to comment? Just really curious, as to me it's more of a marketing push than anything else, even though gigabit to the home sounds really cool. On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Eric Dugas edu...@zerofail.com wrote: Nice try Bell.. So-Net did it two years ago, 2Gbps FTTH in Japan. Article: http://bgr.com/2013/06/13/so-net-nuro-2gbps-fiber-service/ If you read Japanese: http://www.nuro.jp/hikari/ Eric -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Hank Disuko Sent: June 26, 2015 2:04 PM To: NANOG Subject: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-t oronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 01:06:26PM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote: On Jun 26, 2015, at 13:02 , Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au wrote: On Fri, 2015-06-26 at 13:39 -0500, Rafael Possamai wrote: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. This sentiment keeps popping up. It's a failure of vision. To suggest that single people or ordinary people or any other set of presumably average and uninteresting people will never be able to fully utilise the amazing properties of X, and that they can and should be satisfied with some limited version of X or the even more limited alternative Y, is to completely miss the point. And to actually provide no more than that is to build a self-fulfilling prophecy. I see a potential market for perhaps hundreds of aircraft in the coming century. And just possibly for more than seven computers on the continent. *Any* continent. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mi...@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? we once asked how a home user would use 56kb, how anyone needed more than 640k in a pee cee, how we would need more than 32 bits in an address. the only thing not rising is water levels. except the ocean, that is. randy
Re: World's Fastest Internet in Canadaland
We recently had to pull some year over year statistics on consumption for a regulatory filing. In 2009, our average customer used 11G of data. This year it is 85G. In 5 years it could be 400G or more. What's worse is, OTT video means that consumption is more than likely going to be at peak hours, driving capacity issues. The average multi device household streaming HD video and gaming, and whatever else comes along will drive usage. I honestly don't care what people do with their Internet connection. I just know that I need to find ways to deliver more, because they're going to want it - even if they don't need it. At 05:01 PM 26/06/2015, Mike Hammett wrote: Some of those are why would one EVER need more than X, while others are why would one NOW need more than X. Big difference. Simple fact that there is no residential application that needs more than even 50 megabit much less 10,000 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- Clayton Zekelman Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi) 3363 Tecumseh Rd. E Windsor, Ontario N8W 1H4 tel. 519-985-8410 fax. 519-985-8409
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 04:01:38PM -0500, Mike Hammett wrote: Some of those are why would one EVER need more than X, while others are why would one NOW need more than X. Big difference. Simple fact that there is no residential application that needs more than even 50 megabit much less 10,000 megabit. Define need. On the average, I probably don't need more than 56 KBaud, integrated over all the years I've been linked to the 'Net from home. Would I be willing to put up with it? Hell, no! Would I be willing to put up with 10 Gig to the house for what I'm paying now? Emphatically yes. Ditto 1 Gig. What I'm getting isn't more than 10 megabit down and 2.5 up, so a fatter pipe would be very welcome. At the same price, or even another $50/month. But I don't need it in the sense that I'll lose money or customers if I don't have it. -- Mike Andrews, W5EGO mi...@mikea.ath.cx Tired old sysadmin
Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Robert Seastrom r...@rs.hmail.seastrom.com wrote: On Jun 26, 2015, at 11:34 AM, William Herrin b...@herrin.us wrote: I'm told second hand that when MCI/worldcom (now Verizon Business) controlled 8100 Boone Blvd (the early MAE-East) you had to buy a data circuit from them to get between floors. Not a cable or a cross-connect. A data circuit at the 0-mile tariffed price. 4) The sole grain of truth to this story is that for inter-cabinet connections inside the colo, MFS and later Worldcom demanded that one pay for a zero mile local loop and that the circuit pass through actual transport kit so that it could be managed - and also billed at insanely-high-for-what-it-was data rate prices. 5) They managed to extend outside-the-building circuits from the node room to the colo room on a very-long-patch-cord basis, but it was like pulling teeth to get them to agree to *not* put a pair of muxes back to back to drive 400 feet of fiber down to B2 where the facility I managed was. Finally, after many escalations sanity prevailed and the fiber that got installed from 5 to B2 was 288-strand SMF-28 to a patch panel... and no muxes. Hah! Well, like I said, I had it second hand. Stories do grow in the telling. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin her...@dirtside.com b...@herrin.us Owner, Dirtside Systems . Web: http://www.dirtside.com/
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
Like Peter Lothberg's mother's home :) --srs On 27-Jun-2015, at 12:22 am, Mikael Abrahamsson swm...@swm.pp.se wrote: And yes, fastest Internet in the world is pure BS, gigabit ethernet access to peoples homes have been around for years in other places
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
On 26 June 2015 at 11:04, Hank Disuko gourmetci...@hotmail.com wrote: Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html Only 1Gbps?! LOL, but US Internet offers 10Gbps! http://fiber.usinternet.com/plans-and-prices/ https://lobste.rs/s/mv7bzs/us_internet_to_offer_higher-speed_10gbps_connections_in_minneapolis_for_400_usd Yes, residential; yes, 1Mbps; yes, only 399,00 USD/mo, which amounts to 39 bucks per gigabit. Bell's 1Gbps is by no means the world's fastest internet. Not even in Canada: http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/small-alberta-town-gets-massive-1-000-mbps-broadband-boost-1.1382428 http://montrealgazette.com/technology/canada-can-learn-from-olds-ab-the-city-with-the-fastest-internet-speed While homes in cities like Vancouver, Montreal, and Toronto are toiling with maximum speeds only up to 100 megabits per second, in Olds Alberta – 90 kilometres north of Calgary – they have access to one Gigabit per second connections, and at the bargain basement rate of $57 per month, with no data caps. Also, is Bell any different from ATT and Verizon in that it doesn't peer with like anyone? Will most Canadian traffic still go through Chicago or New York? C.
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, Rafael Possamai wrote: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics, going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average transfer rate, at least I don't think it would for me. Why would you use average transfer rate as the metric for user experience quality? Most users don't care about their long term bandwidth average, they care about getting that movie playing _right_now_, or HD video calls with all the grandchildren, all at once. Heck, they care more about web pages showing up on the screen nice and fast more than average download speed. -- Brandon Ross Yahoo AIM: BrandonNRoss +1-404-635-6667ICQ: 2269442 Skype: brandonross Schedule a meeting: http://www.doodle.com/bross
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Personally I think it's pure marketing ... something I think we all know... I seen a few years back a FTTH development get completed using GPON - everything in the area got Full Gig Internet. Speedtest while I was onsite showed about 900Mb/s download so pretty darn close (before they fully deployed). The interesting part was that the development consisted of 4400 active users the last time I heard but the bandwidth to upstream provider was still only a single GigE and was not hitting serious saturation levels most of the time. Paul -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Rafael Possamai Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 2:39 PM To: Eric Dugas Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics, going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average transfer rate, at least I don't think it would for me. Anyone care to comment? Just really curious, as to me it's more of a marketing push than anything else, even though gigabit to the home sounds really cool. On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Eric Dugas edu...@zerofail.com wrote: Nice try Bell.. So-Net did it two years ago, 2Gbps FTTH in Japan. Article: http://bgr.com/2013/06/13/so-net-nuro-2gbps-fiber-service/ If you read Japanese: http://www.nuro.jp/hikari/ Eric -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Hank Disuko Sent: June 26, 2015 2:04 PM To: NANOG Subject: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-t oronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html
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On Fri, 2015-06-26 at 13:39 -0500, Rafael Possamai wrote: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. This sentiment keeps popping up. It's a failure of vision. To suggest that single people or ordinary people or any other set of presumably average and uninteresting people will never be able to fully utilise the amazing properties of X, and that they can and should be satisfied with some limited version of X or the even more limited alternative Y, is to completely miss the point. And to actually provide no more than that is to build a self-fulfilling prophecy. Look at pretty much any modern technology and you can be sure that when it was first invented someone wearing the then equivalent of a brown cardigan said yes, that's all very well, but what use will ordinary people ever have for it?. When the first little fire sputtered into life in some Neanderthal cave you can bet that some troglodyte said no point make bigger, me warm enough, more hot waste of effort, but of course he hadn't thought of bronze, iron, steel, glass, welding or rocketry. Or the steam engine or the internal combustion engine. What luck that his kids ignored him, eh? As William Gibson wrote, the street finds its uses for things. I can't think of anything I would or could do with a terabit Internet link - but it's not me who needs it. It's the kids now in school who will build it, and their kids will think it commonplace. And they will look back at you and me and think how did our grandparents ever manage with only a couple of gigabits? How limiting! And while they are thinking that, some bright young things will report that they think they've got a primitive exabit link working... Regards, K. PS: There are only three real values for network speeds, just as there are only three values for amount of personal fortune, RAM, disk space and CPU speed. The three values are not enough, enough and I don't know. Always aspire to I don't know. -- ~~~ Karl Auer (ka...@biplane.com.au) http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer http://twitter.com/kauer389 GPG fingerprint: 3C41 82BE A9E7 99A1 B931 5AE7 7638 0147 2C3C 2AC4 Old fingerprint: EC67 61E2 C2F6 EB55 884B E129 072B 0AF0 72AA 9882
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On Jun 26, 2015, at 13:02 , Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au wrote: On Fri, 2015-06-26 at 13:39 -0500, Rafael Possamai wrote: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. This sentiment keeps popping up. It's a failure of vision. To suggest that single people or ordinary people or any other set of presumably average and uninteresting people will never be able to fully utilise the amazing properties of X, and that they can and should be satisfied with some limited version of X or the even more limited alternative Y, is to completely miss the point. And to actually provide no more than that is to build a self-fulfilling prophecy. I see a potential market for perhaps hundreds of aircraft in the coming century. lol Owen
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, jim deleskie wrote: Its mostly marketing, a number of years ago I worked for a cable co, we knew if we increased BW X we'd see a Y speed increase in usage. We also has done the math on several future generations of upgrades, so we'd know if phone company increases to A we'd move to B. I know the guy that did the math for us then, he still sits in that job so I assume he still does similar I suspect any cable so worth their salt does the same. After you increase the download speed above a certain threshold, it's my experience that total data per month doesn't increase more than marginally with speed increase. As soon as access speed is high enough so youtube, netflix etc automatically goes to the highest resolution immediately, data transfered per month is the same even though the access speed goes up. So when you go from 5 to 10 megabit/s towards the user, yes, data amount increases, but when you go from 100 to 250 megabit/s towards the user, not so much. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
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On Jun 26, 2015, at 11:40 AM, TR Shaw ts...@oitc.com wrote: But what about us in Northwestern Ontario who can only get dialup, if that, from Bell? Seriously - write to your MP and MLA. Landon Stewart landonstew...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
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That comment was made from a customer perspective (myself) while I wonder if I ever would wanna pay for it, although it seems like it's pretty cheap already. As an entrepreneur, business, etc... then yes, I agree. Shoot for the stars and land on the moon. :) On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Karl Auer ka...@biplane.com.au wrote: On Fri, 2015-06-26 at 13:39 -0500, Rafael Possamai wrote: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. This sentiment keeps popping up. It's a failure of vision. To suggest that single people or ordinary people or any other set of presumably average and uninteresting people will never be able to fully utilise the amazing properties of X, and that they can and should be satisfied with some limited version of X or the even more limited alternative Y, is to completely miss the point. And to actually provide no more than that is to build a self-fulfilling prophecy. Look at pretty much any modern technology and you can be sure that when it was first invented someone wearing the then equivalent of a brown cardigan said yes, that's all very well, but what use will ordinary people ever have for it?. When the first little fire sputtered into life in some Neanderthal cave you can bet that some troglodyte said no point make bigger, me warm enough, more hot waste of effort, but of course he hadn't thought of bronze, iron, steel, glass, welding or rocketry. Or the steam engine or the internal combustion engine. What luck that his kids ignored him, eh? As William Gibson wrote, the street finds its uses for things. I can't think of anything I would or could do with a terabit Internet link - but it's not me who needs it. It's the kids now in school who will build it, and their kids will think it commonplace. And they will look back at you and me and think how did our grandparents ever manage with only a couple of gigabits? How limiting! And while they are thinking that, some bright young things will report that they think they've got a primitive exabit link working... Regards, K. PS: There are only three real values for network speeds, just as there are only three values for amount of personal fortune, RAM, disk space and CPU speed. The three values are not enough, enough and I don't know. Always aspire to I don't know. -- ~~~ Karl Auer (ka...@biplane.com.au) http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer http://twitter.com/kauer389 GPG fingerprint: 3C41 82BE A9E7 99A1 B931 5AE7 7638 0147 2C3C 2AC4 Old fingerprint: EC67 61E2 C2F6 EB55 884B E129 072B 0AF0 72AA 9882
Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:40 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: . P.S. If there was any way to get a tour inside of there at least I'd totally sign a NDA for that. :) Never been inside, let alone near, a CO before. http://museumofcommunications.org/?page_id=12 -- Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, 360-474-7474
Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?
On 6/26/2015 19:44, Joe Hamelin wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:40 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: . P.S. If there was any way to get a tour inside of there at least I'd totally sign a NDA for that. :) Never been inside, let alone near, a CO before. http://museumofcommunications.org/?page_id=12 There are three parts of a #5 Crossbar switch for which I have a special fondness: The exerciser routine--late at night in a (sometimes spooky) dark, quiet office you hear a clicking noise that come up from behind you and passes on into the distance in front of you, After a bit, you realize that it is approaching againand again, each time a little lower down as the exerciser operated EVERY crosspoint in the office, one at a time. The Transverter -- a monument to the Perfect Kludge. The Trouble Recorder -- a card-punch that punches a card every time a call fails, to record all of the equipment (and some other stuff) that was involved in the call. The cards were BIG (4 inches by 16 inches, maybe) and I have no idea what the number of possible hole locations was and had printed on-the card a cryptic notation as to what each hole meant. The most interesting thing was the fact that there were notations on both sides of the card--a given hole had two meanings depending on which side of the card the hole had been punched it. Thye first thing you looked at was two holes (I forget what one of the markings was, bit one hole said AMA on one side and Turn Card Over on the other side. (I was not a switchman, so the number of errors possible here us huge.) -- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)
Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?
On 6/26/2015 20:31, Larry Sheldon wrote: On 6/26/2015 19:44, Joe Hamelin wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:40 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: . P.S. If there was any way to get a tour inside of there at least I'd totally sign a NDA for that. :) Never been inside, let alone near, a CO before. http://museumofcommunications.org/?page_id=12 There are three parts of a #5 Crossbar switch for which I have a special fondness: The exerciser routine--late at night in a (sometimes spooky) dark, quiet office you hear a clicking noise that come up from behind you and passes on into the distance in front of you, After a bit, you realize that it is approaching againand again, each time a little lower down as the exerciser operated EVERY crosspoint in the office, one at a time. The Transverter -- a monument to the Perfect Kludge. The Trouble Recorder -- a card-punch that punches a card every time a call fails, to record all of the equipment (and some other stuff) that was involved in the call. The cards were BIG (4 inches by 16 inches, maybe) and I have no idea what the number of possible hole locations was and had printed on-the card a cryptic notation as to what each hole meant. The most interesting thing was the fact that there were notations on both sides of the card--a given hole had two meanings depending on which side of the card the hole had been punched it. Thye first thing you looked at was two holes (I forget what one of the markings was, bit one hole said AMA on one side and Turn Card Over on the other side. (I was not a switchman, so the number of errors possible here us huge.) I didn't realise that there was a relevant picture in the museum set -- http://museumofcommunications.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/DSC_7116-1024x680.jpg shows severak of those cards on shelves, and in the near fore-ground is the bins used for sorting cards for further investigation (one of the investigation steps was to take a deck of cards for a similar failure and hold the deck up to the light to see if a single piece of equipment had been involved in every failure (hole goes through the deck). -- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
The issue here is economics. 1G hardware is cheap, as in sub-$100 for a 1G CPE with SMF in one side and RJ45 out the other. Even if you decide to limit yourself at 100m or similar, if you build it at the optics side, it is more expensive than building at 1G. Because of this, 1G is the most sensible speed/solution. I believe that many people won’t get a real quantity of usage from their links because they will be on 2.4ghz wifi regardless. If you have your home wired, you might get something faster but the largest users these days tend to be adaptive streaming video which uses around 16Mb/s for a 4K stream from Netflix, or software updates from Apple. Speaking of which, since 8.4 is launching next week and tends to be one of the larger internet events these days (more so than victoria secret turned out to be by ratio) I’m awaiting a surge of software updates for all the iDevices around the world. - Jared On Jun 26, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Rafael Possamai raf...@gav.ufsc.br wrote: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics, going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average transfer rate, at least I don't think it would for me. Anyone care to comment? Just really curious, as to me it's more of a marketing push than anything else, even though gigabit to the home sounds really cool. On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Eric Dugas edu...@zerofail.com wrote: Nice try Bell.. So-Net did it two years ago, 2Gbps FTTH in Japan. Article: http://bgr.com/2013/06/13/so-net-nuro-2gbps-fiber-service/ If you read Japanese: http://www.nuro.jp/hikari/ Eric -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Hank Disuko Sent: June 26, 2015 2:04 PM To: NANOG Subject: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html
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Good points. But just like I won't take more than one shower at a time, I probably won't watch more than one Netflix stream session at a time (assuming that for myself only). Downloading a large ISO image in seconds is definitely a plus, although at the office I never reach a steady 120MB/s from some Linux mirror out there. I've recently created a Debian mirror and the 1500GB or so of data came at an average speed of 270mbps using a 1gbps datacenter link. I think it will still be a while until we can saturate a 1gbps link inside the average home. While there are people working hard to deliver 1gbps FTTH, there are others working equally as hard in developing video compression algorithms to utilize less bandwidth on the content provider side. Not arguing against it, I'm just throwing gas at the fire to see what different perspectives come out. On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Mark Andrews ma...@isc.org wrote: In message cajb2g-h2cccqud7_bhpoydo+beysyzpy+js2p+hj6ruk0qx...@mail.gmail.com , Rafael Possamai writes: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics, going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average transfer rate, at least I don't think it would for me. Anyone care to comment? Just really curious, as to me it's more of a marketing push than anything else, even though gigabit to the home sounds really cool. Overkill is good provided it doesn't cost too much more. You want the connection speed to not be a limitation on what you are trying to do. 1G does that at a good price point these days. At some point in the future 1G will seem slow and there will be a new speed that stops the link speed being the limitation. You don't think about the size of power lines coming into a house as they are overkill for just about anything you will do in the house. You don't think about the size of water pipes coming into a house as they are overkill for just about anything you will do in the house. Very occasionally you will want to connect directly to the mains (filling a pool) but otherwise the pipe is more that sufficient. The worry should be over the gigabytes transfered, the kilowatthours and the kilolitres consumed which are the actual resources being delivered. Unfortunately ISP's have made it about link speed rather than what it really is about because link speed was the limiting factor. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org
Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:46 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm a techie that recently moved to South Jersey for a tech job. To my astonishment, I discovered that there appears to be a Verizon datacenter near my house that has colocation: how / why did you think this has colocation? Look at the second picture, the sign on the door more specifically. :) -- John Musbach
Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:46 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm a techie that recently moved to South Jersey for a tech job. To my astonishment, I discovered that there appears to be a Verizon datacenter near my house that has colocation: how / why did you think this has colocation? https://www22.verizon.com/wholesale/attachments/space-exhaust/Web_UpdateSouth.pdf if you search for somers point in there this looks like a Central office which might offer future physical (future from 2012) colocation, but I bet you'd have to be a CLEC to take advantage of this... Ohh ok. I suppose that colo entrance being for CLECs would make sense haha. Too much of a dream for a general population colocation datacenter to be near residential I guess. Was worth a try. -- John Musbach
Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 8:36 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:46 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm a techie that recently moved to South Jersey for a tech job. To my astonishment, I discovered that there appears to be a Verizon datacenter near my house that has colocation: how / why did you think this has colocation? https://www22.verizon.com/wholesale/attachments/space-exhaust/Web_UpdateSouth.pdf if you search for somers point in there this looks like a Central office which might offer future physical (future from 2012) colocation, but I bet you'd have to be a CLEC to take advantage of this... Ohh ok. I suppose that colo entrance being for CLECs would make sense haha. Too much of a dream for a general population colocation datacenter to be near residential I guess. Was worth a try. P.S. If there was any way to get a tour inside of there at least I'd totally sign a NDA for that. :) Never been inside, let alone near, a CO before. -- John Musbach
Re: Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
In message cajb2g-h2cccqud7_bhpoydo+beysyzpy+js2p+hj6ruk0qx...@mail.gmail.com , Rafael Possamai writes: How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? For a single person it is overkill. Similar to the concept of price elasticity in economics, going from 50mbps to 1gbps doesn't necessarily increase your average transfer rate, at least I don't think it would for me. Anyone care to comment? Just really curious, as to me it's more of a marketing push than anything else, even though gigabit to the home sounds really cool. Overkill is good provided it doesn't cost too much more. You want the connection speed to not be a limitation on what you are trying to do. 1G does that at a good price point these days. At some point in the future 1G will seem slow and there will be a new speed that stops the link speed being the limitation. You don't think about the size of power lines coming into a house as they are overkill for just about anything you will do in the house. You don't think about the size of water pipes coming into a house as they are overkill for just about anything you will do in the house. Very occasionally you will want to connect directly to the mains (filling a pool) but otherwise the pipe is more that sufficient. The worry should be over the gigabytes transfered, the kilowatthours and the kilolitres consumed which are the actual resources being delivered. Unfortunately ISP's have made it about link speed rather than what it really is about because link speed was the limiting factor. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org
The Cidr Report
This report has been generated at Fri Jun 26 21:17:55 2015 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.
Check http://www.cidr-report.org/2.0 for a current version of this report.
Recent Table History
Date PrefixesCIDR Agg
19-06-15558465 311797
20-06-15557822 304583
21-06-15557973 304716
22-06-15558238 304106
23-06-15558195 304707
24-06-15558651 303797
25-06-15558676 304034
26-06-15559284 304723
AS Summary
51017 Number of ASes in routing system
20289 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix
3256 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS
AS10620: Telmex Colombia S.A.,CO
120759552 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s)
AS4134 : CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street,CN
Aggregation Summary
The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only
when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as
to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also
proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes').
--- 26Jun15 ---
ASnumNetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description
Table 559555 304724 25483145.5% All ASes
AS22773 3185 171 301494.6% ASN-CXA-ALL-CCI-22773-RDC -
Cox Communications Inc.,US
AS6389 2792 71 272197.5% BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK -
BellSouth.net Inc.,US
AS17974 2698 78 262097.1% TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT
Telekomunikasi Indonesia,ID
AS9394 2920 316 260489.2% CTTNET China TieTong
Telecommunications
Corporation,CN
AS39891 2473 34 243998.6% ALJAWWALSTC-AS Saudi Telecom
Company JSC,SA
AS28573 2286 119 216794.8% NET Serviços de Comunicação
S.A.,BR
AS3356 2588 788 180069.6% LEVEL3 - Level 3
Communications, Inc.,US
AS10620 3256 1554 170252.3% Telmex Colombia S.A.,CO
AS4766 2952 1358 159454.0% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom,KR
AS6983 1749 247 150285.9% ITCDELTA - Earthlink, Inc.,US
AS7545 2649 1165 148456.0% TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Telecom
Limited,AU
AS9808 1551 67 148495.7% CMNET-GD Guangdong Mobile
Communication Co.Ltd.,CN
AS20115 1863 489 137473.8% CHARTER-NET-HKY-NC - Charter
Communications,US
AS7303 1633 293 134082.1% Telecom Argentina S.A.,AR
AS4755 2024 709 131565.0% TATACOMM-AS TATA
Communications formerly VSNL
is Leading ISP,IN
AS6147 1568 302 126680.7% Telefonica del Peru S.A.A.,PE
AS9498 1355 122 123391.0% BBIL-AP BHARTI Airtel Ltd.,IN
AS4323 1614 413 120174.4% TWTC - tw telecom holdings,
inc.,US
AS22561 1383 286 109779.3% CENTURYLINK-LEGACY-LIGHTCORE -
CenturyTel Internet Holdings,
Inc.,US
AS7552 1154 60 109494.8% VIETEL-AS-AP Viettel
Corporation,VN
AS4808 1505 502 100366.6% CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP
network China169 Beijing
Province Network,CN
AS6849 1206 216 99082.1% UKRTELNET JSC UKRTELECOM,UA
AS8151 1699 721 97857.6% Uninet S.A. de C.V.,MX
AS8402 988 23 96597.7% CORBINA-AS OJSC Vimpelcom,RU
AS18566 2054 1137 91744.6% MEGAPATH5-US - MegaPath
Corporation,US
AS7738 999 83 91691.7% Telemar Norte Leste S.A.,BR
AS4538 1954 1040 91446.8% ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education
and Research Network
Center,CN
AS26615 1077 177 90083.6% Tim Celular S.A.,BR
AS38285 979 126 85387.1% M2TELECOMMUNICATIONS-AU M2
Telecommunications Group
BGP Update Report
BGP Update Report Interval: 18-Jun-15 -to- 25-Jun-15 (7 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS9829 295162 5.8% 293.4 -- BSNL-NIB National Internet Backbone,IN 2 - AS11139 282275 5.5%1049.3 -- CWDOM - Cable Wireless Dominica,DM 3 - AS23752 274915 5.4%2272.0 -- NPTELECOM-NP-AS Nepal Telecommunications Corporation, Internet Services,NP 4 - AS36947 86277 1.7%1513.6 -- ALGTEL-AS,DZ 5 - AS54169 65664 1.3% 32832.0 -- MGH-ION-1 - Marin General Hospital,US 6 - AS370963193 1.2%2340.5 -- NET-CITY-SA - City of San Antonio,US 7 - AS28024 60787 1.2% 39.4 -- Nuevatel PCS de Bolivia S.A.,BO 8 - AS22059 41677 0.8% 20838.5 -- -Reserved AS-,ZZ 9 - AS840241576 0.8% 110.6 -- CORBINA-AS OJSC Vimpelcom,RU 10 - AS25563 35835 0.7%8958.8 -- WEBLAND-AS Webland AG,CH 11 - AS38197 31134 0.6% 22.6 -- SUNHK-DATA-AS-AP Sun Network (Hong Kong) Limited,HK 12 - AS391 30965 0.6% 118.2 -- AFCONC-BLOCK1-AS - 754th Electronic Systems Group,US 13 - AS10834 30420 0.6% 166.2 -- Telefonica de Argentina,AR 14 - AS25577 26596 0.5% 397.0 -- C4L-AS Connexions4London Ltd,GB 15 - AS39891 25799 0.5% 16.8 -- ALJAWWALSTC-AS Saudi Telecom Company JSC,SA 16 - AS48159 25566 0.5% 75.0 -- TIC-AS Telecommunication Infrastructure Company,IR 17 - AS381625023 0.5% 59.4 -- COLOMBIA TELECOMUNICACIONES S.A. ESP,CO 18 - AS424924371 0.5% 15.3 -- LILLY-AS - Eli Lilly and Company,US 19 - AS13036 20344 0.4%1271.5 -- TMOBILE-CZ T-Mobile Czech Republic a.s.,CZ 20 - AS246 19693 0.4% 44.5 -- ASIFICS-GW-AS - 754th Electronic Systems Group,US TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix) Rank ASNUpds % Upds/PfxAS-Name 1 - AS54169 65664 1.3% 32832.0 -- MGH-ION-1 - Marin General Hospital,US 2 - AS22059 41677 0.8% 20838.5 -- -Reserved AS-,ZZ 3 - AS3935889604 0.2%9604.0 -- MUBEA-FLO - Mubea,US 4 - AS25563 35835 0.7%8958.8 -- WEBLAND-AS Webland AG,CH 5 - AS610395307 0.1%5307.0 -- ZMZ OAO ZMZ,RU 6 - AS32005 13093 0.3%4364.3 -- THE-CHURCH-PENSION-GROUP - CHURCH PENSION GROUP SERVICES CORPORATION,US 7 - AS2015224002 0.1%4002.0 -- UB330-NET UB330.net d.o.o.,SI 8 - AS406373395 0.1%3395.0 -- MAILROUTE - MailRoute, Inc.,US 9 - AS380006084 0.1%3042.0 -- CRISIL-AS [CRISIL Limited.Autonomous System],IN 10 - AS201739428 0.2%2357.0 -- Televisa, S.A de C.V.,MX 11 - AS370963193 1.2%2340.5 -- NET-CITY-SA - City of San Antonio,US 12 - AS23752 274915 5.4%2272.0 -- NPTELECOM-NP-AS Nepal Telecommunications Corporation, Internet Services,NP 13 - AS357982201 0.0%2201.0 -- DEVERYWARE DEVERYWARE S.A.,FR 14 - AS10292 16183 0.3%2022.9 -- CWJ-1 - Cable Wireless Jamaica,JM 15 - AS139437439 0.1%1859.8 -- YK-COMMUNICATIONS - YK Communications, Inc.,US 16 - AS31357 11768 0.2%1681.1 -- TOMICA-AS Tomsk Information and Consulting Agency,RU 17 - AS276441642 0.0%1642.0 -- THREATSTOP - ThreatSTOP,US 18 - AS566361636 0.0%1636.0 -- ASVEDARU VEDA Ltd.,RU 19 - AS572331630 0.0%1630.0 -- ASKOMPANON Kompanon LLC.,RU 20 - AS36947 86277 1.7%1513.6 -- ALGTEL-AS,DZ TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 1 - 202.70.64.0/21 139889 2.6% AS23752 -- NPTELECOM-NP-AS Nepal Telecommunications Corporation, Internet Services,NP 2 - 202.70.88.0/21 133259 2.5% AS23752 -- NPTELECOM-NP-AS Nepal Telecommunications Corporation, Internet Services,NP 3 - 105.96.0.0/22 85890 1.6% AS36947 -- ALGTEL-AS,DZ 4 - 204.80.242.0/24 65660 1.2% AS54169 -- MGH-ION-1 - Marin General Hospital,US 5 - 200.0.251.0/2429629 0.6% AS10834 -- Telefonica de Argentina,AR 6 - 64.34.125.0/2421241 0.4% AS22059 -- -Reserved AS-,ZZ 7 - 76.191.107.0/24 20436 0.4% AS22059 -- -Reserved AS-,ZZ 8 - 208.163.55.0/24 15511 0.3% AS10292 -- CWJ-1 - Cable Wireless Jamaica,JM 9 - 41.216.207.0/24 12217 0.2% AS37105 -- NEOLOGY-AS,ZA 10 - 92.43.216.0/2112183 0.2% AS25563 -- WEBLAND-AS Webland AG,CH 11 - 185.84.192.0/22 11940 0.2% AS25563 -- WEBLAND-AS Webland AG,CH 12 - 78.140.0.0/18 11710 0.2% AS31357 -- TOMICA-AS Tomsk Information and Consulting Agency,RU 13 - 178.174.96.0/19 11709 0.2% AS25563 -- WEBLAND-AS Webland AG,CH 14 - 192.58.137.0/249604 0.2% AS393588 -- MUBEA-FLO - Mubea,US 15 - 203.192.255.0/24 9597 0.2% AS17665 -- IN2CABLE-AP AS Number
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
On 26/Jun/15 23:56, Mark Andrews wrote: Unfortunately ISP's have made it about link speed rather than what it really is about because link speed was the limiting factor. When 1Gbps becomes mainstream to the home, I think it will stop being about link speed (well, for a while anyway, because who knows...). As others have mentioned, a single device pulling 1Gbps in the home is asking a lot, even if it were connected to the home router via copper/fibre. As most devices in the home will be wi-fi-based, 1Gbps is safe (for now). Of course, more devices in the home will put pressure on 1Gbps, but not before they put pressure on the wi-fi network. So again, 1Gbps is safe, for now. The wired devices that could draw on that 1Gbps big time will be the STB's, gaming consoles (even those use wi-fi), home media servers, e.t.c. Depending on what one does with those, they may or may not draw much from the 1Gbps fibre coming into the house. Even if the service provider was dropping a 1080p or 4K IPTv Multicast stream into 3x STB's in the home (one for the living room, one for the man-cave and another random one in the house), and each STB had at least two tuners (watch on one tuner, record from another tuner), you're still looking at less than 120Mbps for all 3x STB's running + recording simultaneously, assuming each tuner is pulling 20Mbps when active. Of course, with 2015 families not glued to their Tv's as much as previous generations did, that is less demand for classic Tv. So all in all, with 1Gbps, there is a reasonable chance that, at the very least, the connection between the home and the nearest service provider switch will be utilitarian. The problem now is, who gets that 1Gbps link to their house, around the world? Mark.
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
It’s not just about the transfer rate, though. As has been noted, response times at peak congestion are definitely faster if you have more bandwidth. So if you’ve got 3 kids all wanting to stream different HD5k content, 50Mbits is going to get interesting. 100Mbps will probably handle it with enough of a jitter buffer. 10G you can probably play instant on and let the jitter buffer build while playing the first few seconds. There are a number of other tactics that can improve user experience with more bandwidth than is needed for the long-term average. Average transfer rate is a silly way to measure anticipated user experience, as has been pointed out by others. Owen On Jun 26, 2015, at 14:01 , Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote: Some of those are why would one EVER need more than X, while others are why would one NOW need more than X. Big difference. Simple fact that there is no residential application that needs more than even 50 megabit much less 10,000 megabit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com To: Rafael Possamai raf...@gav.ufsc.br Cc: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 3:57:29 PM Subject: Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland How does one fully utilize a gigabit link for home use? we once asked how a home user would use 56kb, how anyone needed more than 640k in a pee cee, how we would need more than 32 bits in an address. the only thing not rising is water levels. except the ocean, that is. randy
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
10Gbps inside the home at an economical price for the phys means IP Multicast can finally be a viable alternative (replacement for) HDMI. No more will you connect one Blu-Ray player to One Amp to One TV. You’ll just connect them all to ethernet. Amps and TVs will have UIs which allow you to subscribe to streams provided by Blu-Rays and other media sources. Want to watch something on two TVs while listening to the audio through a particular amp in the house, no problem. Set up the stream on the provider device and subscribe on the TVs and the Amp. When it’s all set, press play and enjoy. Want to pause it and move to a third TV and change amps? No problem. Pause, reconfigure the subscriptions, and resume. Of course this will require the RIAA and their friends to either come up with new ways to be obnoxious to consumers or to perform an extraction of their crania from their collective rectums about DRM in order to be viable, but I’m sure one or more of those things will happen eventually. Owen On Jun 26, 2015, at 15:15 , Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote: On 26/Jun/15 23:56, Mark Andrews wrote: Unfortunately ISP's have made it about link speed rather than what it really is about because link speed was the limiting factor. When 1Gbps becomes mainstream to the home, I think it will stop being about link speed (well, for a while anyway, because who knows...). As others have mentioned, a single device pulling 1Gbps in the home is asking a lot, even if it were connected to the home router via copper/fibre. As most devices in the home will be wi-fi-based, 1Gbps is safe (for now). Of course, more devices in the home will put pressure on 1Gbps, but not before they put pressure on the wi-fi network. So again, 1Gbps is safe, for now. The wired devices that could draw on that 1Gbps big time will be the STB's, gaming consoles (even those use wi-fi), home media servers, e.t.c. Depending on what one does with those, they may or may not draw much from the 1Gbps fibre coming into the house. Even if the service provider was dropping a 1080p or 4K IPTv Multicast stream into 3x STB's in the home (one for the living room, one for the man-cave and another random one in the house), and each STB had at least two tuners (watch on one tuner, record from another tuner), you're still looking at less than 120Mbps for all 3x STB's running + recording simultaneously, assuming each tuner is pulling 20Mbps when active. Of course, with 2015 families not glued to their Tv's as much as previous generations did, that is less demand for classic Tv. So all in all, with 1Gbps, there is a reasonable chance that, at the very least, the connection between the home and the nearest service provider switch will be utilitarian. The problem now is, who gets that 1Gbps link to their house, around the world? Mark.
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
On 26 Jun 2015, at 15:04, Hank Disuko wrote: Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html Bell Canada is in the business of defending the current regulatory regime from claims that internet speeds are slow, or that investment by incumbents in the last mile is lacking, or that it ought to be required to share its access network with competitors. Read the press with that context in mind. There's cooperative, rural broadband in the UK [1] that offers 10G access to farms at a lower price than Bell charges for some satellite TV bundles. I don't think anybody need waste any cycles persuading other people here that the fastest internet claims are not aligned precisely with the kind reality you find even on this list. Joe [1] http://b4rn.org.uk
Re: Any Verizon datacenter techs about?
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 8:32 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Christopher Morrow morrowc.li...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 2:46 PM, John Musbach johnmusba...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm a techie that recently moved to South Jersey for a tech job. To my astonishment, I discovered that there appears to be a Verizon datacenter near my house that has colocation: how / why did you think this has colocation? Look at the second picture, the sign on the door more specifically. :) oriiginal view of the door sign was not readable... had to do some work to see 'co locators entrance'. Bet this means 'clec entrance' (they probably forgot to include the hours of operation: 9-4, lunch 11-3)
RE: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, Paul Stewart wrote: The interesting part was that the development consisted of 4400 active users the last time I heard but the bandwidth to upstream provider was still only a single GigE and was not hitting serious saturation levels most of the time. I'd say for any kind of serious FTTH deployment, peak hour average user will be around 0.5 - 2 megabit/s, so if you actually want a user who buys 100/100 to be able to use that at peak hour, you're looking at an oversubscription factor of around 1/10th of the above, ie around 500 users on a gigabit ethernet uplink. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
ARIN just subdivided their last /17, /18, /19, /20, /21 and /22. Down to only /23s and /24s now. : ipv6
And that's the ballgame. http://www.reddit.com/r/ipv6/comments/3b5p3i/arin_just_subdivided_their_last_1718192021_and_22/ -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: ARIN just subdivided their last /17, /18, /19, /20, /21 and /22. Down to only /23s and /24s now. : ipv6
27. Jun 2015 03:06 by j...@baylink.com: And that's the ballgame. http://www.reddit.com/r/ipv6/comments/3b5p3i/arin_just_subdivided_their_last_1718192021_and_22 And here's to another eternity of shitty ISPs not implementing IPv6 because 'they have enough v4 already'.
Re: ARIN just subdivided their last /17, /18, /19, /20, /21 and /22. Down to only /23s and /24s now. : ipv6
On 15-06-26 09:47 PM, tqr2813d376cjozqa...@tutanota.com wrote: 27. Jun 2015 03:06 by j...@baylink.com: And that's the ballgame. http://www.reddit.com/r/ipv6/comments/3b5p3i/arin_just_subdivided_their_last_1718192021_and_22 And here's to another eternity of shitty ISPs not implementing IPv6 because 'they have enough v4 already'. Not necessarily just shitty ISPs either. Like certain data centers attached to AS701 in Canada. Been getting the runaround from them on that for far too many years. Last answer was we can but we're not going to because effort.
Re: World's Fastest Internet™ in Canadaland
On 6/26/2015 7:26 PM, Joe Abley wrote: On 26 Jun 2015, at 15:04, Hank Disuko wrote: Bell Canada is apparently gearing up to provide the good people of Toronto with the World's Fastest Internet™. http://www.thestar.com/news/city_hall/2015/06/25/bell-canada-to-give-toronto-worlds-fastest-internet.html Bell Canada is in the business of defending the current regulatory regime from claims that internet speeds are slow, or that investment by incumbents in the last mile is lacking, or that it ought to be required to share its access network with competitors. Read the press with that context in mind. There's cooperative, rural broadband in the UK [1] that offers 10G access to farms at a lower price than Bell charges for some satellite TV bundles. I don't think anybody need waste any cycles persuading other people here that the fastest internet claims are not aligned precisely with the kind reality you find even on this list. Joe [1] http://b4rn.org.uk And defend the current regulatory regime well they do. I live literally minutes outside of the Ottawa urban area and I have as choices for network connectivity either LoS wireless or satellite. I can, however, stand at the end of my driveway and look in EITHER direction to see houses that can get cable service, yet none of the incumbents are willing to service my little stretch of road (affecting me and ~5 neighbours). I'm told by the neighbours (I just moved here) that they've been bugging the incumbents for YEARS and getting no traction at all. I'm thinking of pricing out a fiber run and running a little local co-op network access provider for me and the neighbours, but I suspect that install costs might nix that idea. (For extra fun, I was told by one of the incumbents that my address was serviceable with up to 150Mbps cable before I purchased the property. Then when I took possession and tried to get service set up -- nope, sorry. But that's a whole other story...)
Re: Thanks aws / gcc / azure
On 6/23/15, 9:01 AM, NANOG on behalf of Ca By nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Since you have failed to achieve in the modest task that was your charge You now get this https://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1471 Time to watch this again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v26BAlfWBm8 Lee Or s/money/addresses/ http://youtu.be/pA8f-Nh5gRs
Re: Thanks aws / gcc / azure
On Jun 26, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Lee Howard l...@asgard.org wrote: On 6/23/15, 9:01 AM, NANOG on behalf of Ca By nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: Since you have failed to achieve in the modest task that was your charge You now get this https://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1471 Time to watch this again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v26BAlfWBm8 or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 - Jared
