Re: [nanog-admin] NANOG Elections

2007-10-17 Thread Martin Hannigan
On 10/16/07, Jared Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 01:03:36PM -0400, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> > At 60 votes, that's .6% participation. If we don't hit at least 2, we
> > ought to seriously consider disbanding the current "evolution".
>
> If that means the disbanding of NANOG is that acceptable?


I don't see how the two are inextricably linked. There would be no
reason for nanog to discontinue as a result of disbanding the
bureaucracy.

>
> I think the numbers may slightly mislead here as Betty told
> me privately the other day, roughly 30% (or was it 1/3) of attendees
> do not return to nanog.  That is someone that is in the voter pool that
> is not likely to vote.

Not intentionally. The numbers I usually use for this stuff are a
superset of subscribers to the list plus digest. I believe that the
8400 list members count.

We didn't need any framework or MLC to get AUP changes done.
We needed some work.

-M<


Re: NANOG Elections

2007-10-16 Thread Cat Okita

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, Alex Pilosov wrote:

Also, possibly, instead of posting to -announce, a direct email to
last-registered-email should be sent to each eligible voter reminding them
to vote - Some people who attend aren't on any mailing list. (actually, it
is an interesting data point, but probably impossible to gather correct
data on).


I'm abashed to admit that I didn't end up voting - I left it until the
end of the day, having not realized when the voting closed.

cheers!
==
"A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound
desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to
avoid getting wet.  This is the defining metaphor of my life right now."


Re: NANOG Elections

2007-10-16 Thread Alex Pilosov
Question, I wonder if we can get statistics on how many people who have 
registered at this nanog have voted vs those who are not physically here?

This would help determine if putting a "voting desktop" outside of main
conference room help increase voting participation?

Also, possibly, instead of posting to -announce, a direct email to
last-registered-email should be sent to each eligible voter reminding them
to vote - Some people who attend aren't on any mailing list. (actually, it
is an interesting data point, but probably impossible to gather correct
data on).

-alex



Re: NANOG Elections

2007-10-16 Thread Yann Berthier

   Hello,

On Tue, 16 Oct 2007, at 10:50, Joe Abley wrote:

> 
> On 16-Oct-2007, at 0950, Betty J. Burke wrote:
> 
>> Please encourage everyone to take advantage of the process ..
>> 
>> Voting activity picked up a lot this morning, but if the level of 
>> participation doesn't increase rapidly, we may have a lower
>> turnout than last year.  I think last year we had about 160 ballots cast.
> 
> Steve asked me to stand up and say something election-rousing after Cathy 
> and before the following panel. Hopefully that will help.

   certainly not meant as a criticism:

   Perhaps what would have helped too, would have been to send a notice
   to nanog-futures _before_ the actual start of the online vote ? 

   The first notice i see on the subject was sent 4 hrs before the
   closing. Too late


Re: [nanog-admin] NANOG Elections

2007-10-16 Thread Jared Mauch
On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 01:03:36PM -0400, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> At 60 votes, that's .6% participation. If we don't hit at least 2, we
> ought to seriously consider disbanding the current "evolution".

If that means the disbanding of NANOG is that acceptable?

I think the numbers may slightly mislead here as Betty told
me privately the other day, roughly 30% (or was it 1/3) of attendees 
do not return to nanog.  That is someone that is in the voter pool that
is not likely to vote.

I do think we need to change the voting process to include an
individual message (read: SPAM) to each person saying "btw, you can
vote the bums out that made that conference you didn't return to".

- Jared

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Re: [nanog-admin] NANOG Elections

2007-10-16 Thread Martin Hannigan
At 60 votes, that's .6% participation. If we don't hit at least 2, we
ought to seriously consider disbanding the current "evolution".

-M<



On 10/16/07, Betty J. Burke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All:
>
> Please encourage everyone to take advantage of the process ..
>
> Voting activity picked up a lot this morning, but if the level of
> participation doesn't increase rapidly, we may have a lower
> turnout than last year.  I think last year we had about 160 ballots cast.
>
> Betty
>
>
>
>


Re: NANOG Elections

2007-10-16 Thread Joe Abley


On 16-Oct-2007, at 0950, Betty J. Burke wrote:


Please encourage everyone to take advantage of the process ..

Voting activity picked up a lot this morning, but if the level of  
participation doesn't increase rapidly, we may have a lower
turnout than last year.  I think last year we had about 160 ballots  
cast.


Steve asked me to stand up and say something election-rousing after  
Cathy and before the following panel. Hopefully that will help.



Joe


Re: NANOG Elections

2007-10-16 Thread Betty J. Burke

Hi Jared:

A reminder regarding elections and the survey was also sent to 
nanog-announce:>


Betty


--On Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:03 PM -0400 Jared Mauch 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Did the election notice go out to everyone that is
in the current voter list?  (I seem to recall it's anyone
that attended in the past 2 years).

Perhaps a note to nanog-announce or similar would be
worthwhile.

- Jared

On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 11:50:07AM -0400, Betty Burke wrote:

 All:

 Please encourage everyone to take advantage of the process ..

 Voting activity picked up a lot this morning, but if the level of
 participation doesn't increase rapidly, we may have a lower
 turnout than last year.  I think last year we had about 160 ballots
 cast.

 Betty




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mine.







Re: NANOG Elections

2007-10-16 Thread Jared Mauch
Did the election notice go out to everyone that is
in the current voter list?  (I seem to recall it's anyone
that attended in the past 2 years).

Perhaps a note to nanog-announce or similar would be
worthwhile.

- Jared

On Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 11:50:07AM -0400, Betty Burke wrote:
>  All:
> 
>  Please encourage everyone to take advantage of the process ..
> 
>  Voting activity picked up a lot this morning, but if the level of 
>  participation doesn't increase rapidly, we may have a lower
>  turnout than last year.  I think last year we had about 160 ballots cast.
> 
>  Betty
> 
> 

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NANOG Elections

2007-10-16 Thread Betty J. Burke

All:

Please encourage everyone to take advantage of the process ..

Voting activity picked up a lot this morning, but if the level of 
participation doesn't increase rapidly, we may have a lower

turnout than last year.  I think last year we had about 160 ballots cast.

Betty