Re: [Nanog-futures] Admission for Committee Members
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:30 AM, David Temkin d...@temk.in wrote: All, I would like to propose an amendment to the bylaws for the coming election cycle. The various committees put in many tireless hours of effort to bring a content rich, well attended, well sponsored meeting to our attendees. In return they generally get a free lunch and a brief thank you. I propose that any committee member who attends six or more committee meetings between NANOG meetings is entitled to a free registration for the upcoming meeting. Attendance would be gauged by the chair of the committee and this would only be available as a benefit to sanctioned committees. I'll keep this short and sweet, however I feel that this is the least that we can do for our hard working committee members. I would ask that the Board sponsor this for the upcoming election, however if they choose not to I think we can put this out to petition. Hmm. Six is a good number as the PC, at least, normally has exactly six meetings between NANOGs. A strong incentive for at least some to make all of the meetings. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer - Retired E-mail: kob6...@gmail.com ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] NewNOG Website now IPv6 Enabled
FWIW, I get there via V6 and it looks fine. I do get the IPv6 address for newnog.org. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: ober...@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 From: Michael K. Smith - Adhost mksm...@adhost.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 04:00:15 + Hey Shawn: Can I hit you offlist for some troubleshooting? I'm not seeing the same behavior from elsewhere. Mike -- Michael K. Smith - CISSP, GSEC, GISP Chief Technical Officer - Adhost Internet LLC mksm...@adhost.com w: +1 (206) 404-9500 f: +1 (206) 404-9050 PGP: B49A DDF5 8611 27F3 08B9 84BB E61E 38C0 (Key ID: 0x9A96777D) On 2/7/11 7:50 PM, Sean Figgins s...@labrats.us wrote: Does not seem that the DNS query returns any IPv6 information. And the normal page is just blank at the moment... -Sean On 2/7/11 8:24 PM, Michael K. Smith - Adhost wrote: Hello Everyone: We now have a fully functioning IPv6 website for http://www.newnog.org. If you find any site functionality that is broken please let me know! Many thanks to Owen for pointing out that the site was not reachable via IPv6, particularly given the recent global allocation event, Rob Seastrom for providing a quick turnaround on a record whilst on vacation, John Van Oppen for helping me test the site from a v6-enabled network (now? nope tap, tap, now? nope) and Duane Wessels for bringing Apache-fu to bear. If anyone would like to volunteer to chasing down v6 reachability to Paypal assets, I'd love to hear from them. :-) Regards, Mike -- Michael K. Smith - CISSP, GSEC, GISP Chief Technical Officer - Adhost Internet LLC mksm...@adhost.com w: +1 (206) 404-9500 f: +1 (206) 404-9050 PGP: B49A DDF5 8611 27F3 08B9 84BB E61E 38C0 (Key ID: 0x9A96777D) ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure
Steve, At last! Something that does not strike me as defective by design! Thank you. Based on the last financials I saw, I'd really like to see the discount on meetings be something more than $25. That mean $0 for those of us who register early. I would really hope that we can do better. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: ober...@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 From: Steve Feldman feld...@twincreeks.net Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 17:31:18 -0800 In order to jump-start the process of defining a membership structure for NewNOG, I wrote an alternative proposal. My goals were to keep it as simple and short as possible, and address the concerns which came up during the election and afterwards. There are two parts, a Bylaws amendment to set the framework, and a policy document to set the specific rules. The policy document would be adopted by board resolution. Both are appended below. Please read the proposal (it's short!) and comment. Thanks, Steve == Bylaws amendment - Replace the current section 5 in its entirety with: 5. Membership 5.1 Membership Qualifications Membership in NewNOG is open to any individual with an interest in Internet operations, engineering, or research and who wishes to further education and knowledge sharing within the Internet operations community. Any individual may become a member of NewNOG by completing an application and payment of dues. 5.2 Membership Classes There shall be only one class of membership, with all the rights and privileges specified in these Bylaws. 5.3 Membership Dues The Board of Directors shall specify the cost of annual membership dues. The Board may establish discounts for members meeting certain criteria, or for members wishing to pay for more than one year in advance. 5.4 Rights and Benefits of Members Members in good standing shall be entitled to these privileges: * Vote in all NewNOG elections. * Run as a candidate for the Board of Directors * Serve on an administrative committee, as defined in section 9 * Other privileges as specified by the Board of Directors 5.5 Policies and Procedures The Board of Directors shall establish and publish policies and procedures for implementation of the membership program. == Membership Policies and Procedures, to be adopted by Board resolution: 1. Annual Dues 1.1 Standard rate The standard annual dues is $100. 1.2 Student discount Students enrolled in an undergraduate or graduate degree program at an accredited institution will receive a 50% discount for annual dues. Proof of enrollment is required. This may not be combined with any other discount. 1.3 Multi-year discount Individuals who prepay three or more years of membership in advance will receive a 10% discount. This may not be combined with any other discount. 2. Membership Terms 2.1 Start of membership The term of membership shall begin immediately upon receipt of the member's application and payment for dues. 2.2 Expiration of membership 2.2.1 New memberships For new members, the term of membership shall expire one year after the last day of the month during which the membership started, unless membership is renewed. 2.2.2 Continuing memberships For continuing members, the term of membership shall expire one year after the previous expiration date, unless membership is renewed. 2.3 Renewal A member may renew by submitting payment of the current dues amount before the expiration of the current membership term. Members who have prepaid for more than one year in advance shall be automatically renewed for the additional years prepaid. 3. Additional Benefits 3.1 Meeting discount Members in good standing will receive a $25 discount for registration for any conference operated by NewNOG. This may not be combined with any other discounts, including any discounts for students or early registration. == ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Stenographers for Future NANOGs?
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 10:42:16 -0400 From: Randy Whitney randy.whit...@verizonbusiness.com As I am reading through Matt's notes since I cannot attend NANOG in person this time, I'm pondering whether it may make sense in the future for NewNOG to set aside budget to employ stenographers to cover at least the plenary of the conference. Matt has done an admirable job over the past few years volunteering to do this, but perhaps there might be some way to lift this burden from him? While I really appreciate Matt's efforts in posting the notes, the cost of stenographers seems hard to justify. After all, the slides and the A/V streams of all General Session presentations is archived and available at any time. I really hope Matt will continue his efforts or that someone else would volunteer to take over should Matt decide to stop, but unless the cost of stenographers is far lower than I expect, I'd have a hard time justifying the cost. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: ober...@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Stenographers for Future NANOGs?
On Oct 6, 2010, at 15:25, Sean Figgins s...@labrats.us wrote: On 10/6/10 8:42 AM, Randy Whitney wrote: As I am reading through Matt's notes since I cannot attend NANOG in person this time, I'm pondering whether it may make sense in the future for NewNOG to set aside budget to employ stenographers to cover at least the plenary of the conference. Matt has done an admirable job over the past few years volunteering to do this, but perhaps there might be some way to lift this burden from him? I would think that we probably need a very good and accurate transcript of any NewNOG community meetings. Even if we did not do this for the NANOG conference, it may be worth the cost for a couple hours. -Sean ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures I guess I miss the point. When I can go to nanog.org/meetings/nanog49/agenda.php and watch and listen to the full meeting, why would I need a transcopt? Sent from my iPod ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Stenographers for Future NANOGs?
From: Bill Woodcock wo...@pch.net Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:10:59 -0700 I guess I miss the point. When I can go to nanog.org/meetings/nanog49/agenda.php and watch and listen to the full meeting, why would I need a transcopt? If you didn't watch it live, then it's a quick way to scan through to see if you missed anything interesting (sometimes slides != what's discussed). Also, transcripts are search-engine indexible. This is the first GOOD reason for a transcript! Thanks, Bill. I still suspect it would be cheaper to have a transcript generated from the recording after the meeting than to have a stenographer at the meeting, but I do see this as a significant benefit to a written transcript. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: ober...@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Stenographers for Future NANOGs?
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:35:29 -0600 From: Sean Figgins s...@labrats.us On 10/6/10 2:50 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: I guess I miss the point. When I can go to nanog.org/meetings/nanog49/agenda.php and watch and listen to the full meeting, why would I need a transcopt? Not everyone can make the community meeting. The community meeting is not always broadcast. Not everyone will be able to understand who is asking what question. For the general conference, I agree that it does not always need to have transcripts. But as the community meeting is likely the place where corporate business is being discussed, this needs to be reviewable at a later date I do not know it this is a legal requirement at all, but I know that most incorporated organizations I have participated in have pretty decent transcripts or minutes from their business meetings. I don't quite understand this. The community meeting has been recorded for the past 3 years (9 meetings). I would think that the recording would both meet legal requirements and allow a transcript to be made later. At most, we might need a recording secretary to take notes, but this does not require a stenographer. Matt does an excellent job of it now and getting someone to take notes for pay would still be far less expensive that hiring a stenographer. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: ober...@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Memberships, Bylaws and other election matters
Yes, I think 'yes' is the right vote. I do have one major concern, but I will vote 'yes' on both issues, regardless. I really worry about the voter base becoming disjoint from the attendee base. I think meeting attendees should get a vote as a part of attendance. How this is handled is not clear, but I would like to see paying attendees all get to vote for any year in which they attend a meeting. Whether or not non-paying attendees should get a vote is something I'm less site of. Good speakers are rather important and allowing them a vote for their efforts seems reasonably appropriate. Whatever the details, I strongly feel that the concept that meeting attendees must continue to be, as the old T-shirts said, Official Members. Sent from my iPod On Oct 5, 2010, at 7:34, Sylvie LaPerriere laperriere.syl...@gmail.com wrote: I am joining my voice to Steve's. I view this discussion on membership as very healthy and it should continue until the community reaches a strong consensus. I think voting 'yes' is the way forward and I also pledge to do what I can with my Board vote to keep from creating any categories of members that can't easily be undone until consensus from the community is reached. Sylvie 2010/10/4 Joel Jaeggli joe...@bogus.com On 10/4/10 12:13 PM, Steve Feldman wrote: On Oct 4, 2010, at 11:54 AM, Ren Provo wrote: Hi Steve, I appreciate your input here. It was clearly stated yesterday that several folks do not want a fellows membership class but I do not recall the reasoning other than Joel's comment that fee structure should cover all. Can you clarify why you would elect not to recognize significant contributions made from an individual? Thanks! -ren I personally have nothing against the concept. But some others do, and I don't want to make any choices that would be difficult or awkward to unmake until we end up with consensus either way. Recognition is a valuable socially sustaining community activity. I don't believe that it has any business being tied to membership. Assuming that the bylaws are accepted, certainly some of those deserving of community recognition will not be members, I don't see that as a problem. [Or, what Mike said!] Steve ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
