[NetBehaviour] diwo :::: fox news

[brian gibson]

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[NetBehaviour] Homage to Clark Coolidge: "zany whichs which"

[Alan Sondheim]

"zany whichs which"

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Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO - HTML Cinema Presents Alan Sondheim's 'Poseurs'

[J. Trautwein]

http://www.jtwine.com/soundsporn.html
j

On Oct 31, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Michael Szpakowski wrote:

> http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/diwo2009/sondheim/
>
> curiously, this seems to work better in IE than Firefox.
>
> cheers
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Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO: a host of whys

[manik]

...I DO FEEL I...
MANIK,OCTOBER 2009...
- Original Message - 
From: "Alan Sondheim" 
To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" 

Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO: a host of whys


>
>
> I agree with Annie, and want to add the list is a community, work and
> discussing ranging from personal to lab to collab, but it's all with
> others; even with the pieces I put up, created for the most part out of
> context here, are always within context, always collab (rarely commented
> on, probably not read/watched/heard that much), that collab comes from
> without as well as within, collab is transported. Oddly DIWO sounds sexual
> as well (perhaps others have pointed that out), touching (literally) on
> the dance-work we've been doing with others (short however of doing _it_).
> I do feel if I were in England I'd be visiting everyone I could face-to-
> face, which is still for me the best kind of intimacy; I've met for
> example Simon Biggs, which was wonderful, so in a way I hear/see him
> through his words here. And it's an odd list, with people emotionally
> intimate at times as well, which is a gift. I've not been able to collab
> in a formal sense here, generally I'm uncomfortable with that. As far as
> manifestos go, they've always been a problem for me (as are most political
> and artistic pronouncement, protocols, protocol sentences). As far as
> welcoming people to this (or other lists), I've almost never been welcomed
> myself, that doesn't seem how most lists, even communal lists, work, and
> as I said above, my work's rarely commented on, so be it; I have to take
> responsibility for that as well as for my untoward production. - Alan
>
>
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, anniea wrote:
>
>> *Do* = act
>> *It* What? make a show
>> *With* = this is the difficult part
>> *Others *Who? not me (I wanted to put a list of the names of all
>> subscribers, but as I am not an administrator I don't have access to the
>> list of subscribers)
>>
>> I (Annie Abrahams, artist working on computermediated communication?) 
>> never
>> like manifestos, I am some one who likes to think, to observe and to act, 
>> no
>> so much to talk and discuss , but I do respect Dougalds position and work
>> and I am very glad you (Dougald) are observing us and hopefully
>> participating in, just trying to do something as simple as make a show
>> together.
>>
>> *At* Where? HTTP gallery
>> *The* = the, no capital
>> *Dark*, Let there be light
>> *Mountain* is too far away, too high
>>
>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO - Speed (mark cooley)

[J. Trautwein]

en plus
http://www.jtwine.com/wc.html
thx,
j

On Oct 31, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Michael Szpakowski wrote:

> that's quite ravishing!
> m.
>
> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, J. Trautwein  wrote:
>
>> From: J. Trautwein 
>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO - Speed (mark cooley)
>> To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity"  
>> 
>> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 10:26 PM
>> up and onhttp://www.jtwine.com/010.html
>> On Oct 31, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Fung-Lin Hall
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Look Up not
>> Down http://www.mutanteggplant.com/vitro-nasu/2008/07/01/look-up- 
>> not-down/
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Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO - Speed (mark cooley)

[Michael Szpakowski]

that's quite ravishing!
m.

--- On Sat, 10/31/09, J. Trautwein  wrote:

> From: J. Trautwein 
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO - Speed (mark cooley)
> To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" 
> 
> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 10:26 PM
> up and onhttp://www.jtwine.com/010.html
> On Oct 31, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Fung-Lin Hall
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Look Up not
> Down http://www.mutanteggplant.com/vitro-nasu/2008/07/01/look-up-not-down/
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Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO - HTML Cinema Presents Alan Sondheim's 'Poseurs' -PS

[Michael Szpakowski]

I should have said I used the marvellous 'Reductionizer' for this:

http://www.donrelyea.com/reductionizer_project.htm

m.


--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Michael Szpakowski  wrote:

> From: Michael Szpakowski 
> Subject: DIWO - HTML Cinema Presents Alan Sondheim's 'Poseurs'
> To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" 
> 
> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 10:31 PM
> http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/diwo2009/sondheim/
> 
> curiously, this seems to work better in IE than Firefox. 
> 
> cheers
> m.
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[NetBehaviour] DIWO - HTML Cinema Presents Alan Sondheim's 'Poseurs'

[Michael Szpakowski]

http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/diwo2009/sondheim/

curiously, this seems to work better in IE than Firefox. 

cheers
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Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO - Speed (mark cooley)

[J. Trautwein]

up and on
http://www.jtwine.com/010.html

On Oct 31, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Fung-Lin Hall wrote:



Look Up not Down
http://www.mutanteggplant.com/vitro-nasu/2008/07/01/look-up-not-down/


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Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO solar powered (un)civilisation

[Alan Sondheim]

Just want to say I agree with Simon here totally. Azure and I are involved 
one way or another with environmentalism (she has an MA in it) and there 
are so many signs of disaster - I also agree with Lovelock that things are 
already too late. Ironically, vultures (buzzards) are coming closer and 
closer to New York; they've already moved in to my hometown area in Penn- 
sylvania. Beyond that, overpopulation has ensured that bushmeat activity 
will wipe out what's left of wilderness fauna (at least whatever's 
edible). One can go on and on like this - it's depressing. Think of the 
plastic ocean islands, regional wars, spread of weaponry, skewed popula- 
tion demographics (the poorest nations often tend towards the highest 
birth rates), the exponential decrease in ice sheets, and so forth. Better 
than a manifesto, maybe work with wildlife rehabilitators, local enviro 
organizations, family planning groups, etc. I bring these issues up all 
the time (maybe too often ) in my teaching - that might help a bit, I 
don't know. But manifestos are already outmoded and they're also (at least 
for the most part) oddly isolated from everyday environmental or political 
work... Anyway my two cents here - - Alan


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Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO: a host of whys

[Alan Sondheim]

I agree with Annie, and want to add the list is a community, work and 
discussing ranging from personal to lab to collab, but it's all with 
others; even with the pieces I put up, created for the most part out of 
context here, are always within context, always collab (rarely commented 
on, probably not read/watched/heard that much), that collab comes from 
without as well as within, collab is transported. Oddly DIWO sounds sexual 
as well (perhaps others have pointed that out), touching (literally) on 
the dance-work we've been doing with others (short however of doing _it_). 
I do feel if I were in England I'd be visiting everyone I could face-to- 
face, which is still for me the best kind of intimacy; I've met for 
example Simon Biggs, which was wonderful, so in a way I hear/see him 
through his words here. And it's an odd list, with people emotionally 
intimate at times as well, which is a gift. I've not been able to collab 
in a formal sense here, generally I'm uncomfortable with that. As far as 
manifestos go, they've always been a problem for me (as are most political 
and artistic pronouncement, protocols, protocol sentences). As far as 
welcoming people to this (or other lists), I've almost never been welcomed 
myself, that doesn't seem how most lists, even communal lists, work, and 
as I said above, my work's rarely commented on, so be it; I have to take 
responsibility for that as well as for my untoward production. - Alan


On Sat, 31 Oct 2009, anniea wrote:

> *Do* = act
> *It* What? make a show
> *With* = this is the difficult part
> *Others *Who? not me (I wanted to put a list of the names of all
> subscribers, but as I am not an administrator I don't have access to the
> list of subscribers)
>
> I (Annie Abrahams, artist working on computermediated communication?) never
> like manifestos, I am some one who likes to think, to observe and to act, no
> so much to talk and discuss , but I do respect Dougalds position and work
> and I am very glad you (Dougald) are observing us and hopefully
> participating in, just trying to do something as simple as make a show
> together.
>
> *At* Where? HTTP gallery
> *The* = the, no capital
> *Dark*, Let there be light
> *Mountain* is too far away, too high
>


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[NetBehaviour] [Nictoglobe RadioTV] Roland Hendriks plays John Cage's Sonatas for Prepared Piano zaterdag 30 Oktober 2009, 20:15 - 21:00 CEST

[Andreas Jacobs]

Roland Hendriks plays John Cage's Sonatas for Prepared Piano
zaterdag 30 Oktober 2009, 20:15 - 21:00 CEST

NICTOGLOBE RADIO - TV 88.3 FM Amsterdam
http://icecast.freeteam.nl/patapoe.m3u

20:15 - Roland Hendriks - John Cage
 Live recordings @ Peterburg Project Place, Amsterdam NL, 30  
October 2009

 Selden heard live performed music by John Cage!


Enjoy! cf.:

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Re: [NetBehaviour] A welcome to DIWO and the Dark Mountain

[marc garrett]

Hi Stuart,

Welcome to the list & thanks for your post :-)

marc
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Thought it best to introduce myself to the Netbehaviour list now - before 
> it's too late.
>
> I am new here and am studying an MA in London, Art and Politics, Goldsmiths, 
> originally from Canada. I come from a journalist back ground. So I suppose it 
> was natural for me to find the origin of manifesto fascinating, and a 
> challenge to myself. I clicked on the link from the Do It With Others at the 
> Dark Mountain blog, and then read Paul Kingsnorth's post 
> http://www.paulkingsnorth.net/2007/09/i-resign.html about why he had resigned 
> "I travelled round England for nine months, uncovering real, meaningful, 
> urgent and important stories, few of which the media have even noticed. I'm 
> not some sort of investigative genius. I just got off my arse and moved about 
> a bit and talked to people: ordinary, unglamorous people with remarkable 
> stories to tell. That's what I thought journalists were supposed to do. 
> [...]The point is that the country, and the world, are made up of stories; 
> incredible stories of real people fighting real battles, and few of these 
> stories are being told."
>
> "I haven't got much further than that (though I do have a very good name). 
> What I really need are collaborators; fellow writers and artists who see a 
> space out there for something deeply, darkly unfashionable and defiant, and 
> who would like to help make it happen. This is a long journey, I imagine, 
> which begins here. I need people of integrity and ideas to help me shape it 
> and make it happen. Interested? Then drop me a line and let's see if we're on 
> the same wavelength. A journey begins here. Who knows where it will end up?"
>
> Still wondering if I want to stay in the UK after the completion of my 
> course. Have been to some events and shows at furtherfield's HTTP gallery - I 
> hesitate calling it a gallery, because it seems so much different than the 
> rest of the spaces I have visited. I went to the Class Wargames weekend, 
> which was excellent, and I also went to the weekend opening for the Kate Rich 
> show 'Feral Trade Cafe'. I brought my own home made cake to the event and 
> there were loads of other people there, including those working at the space. 
> What was so different from any other of my event and exhibition expriences, 
> was how down to earth and friendly they were, I could talk to them even 
> though I was not some high flyer. I was treated with as much respect as the 
> artist taking part. I would say that this kind of unpretentiousness, 
> connecting with visitors and anyone who just happend to be asking questions 
> silly or otherwise, is a fair representation of most of furtherfield's 
> acitivies and ideals!
 , not sure if they have any ideals actually. Note to self - must look deeper 
into this stuff.
>
> My time on Netbehaviour has only been a couple of weeks at most, and already 
> I have learnt so much. It's crazy, completely fluid and alive, unlike any 
> other list. My own ideas around the notion of people being rude on the list 
> to Douglad, is that what has been happening is a very natural state of 
> affairs, and I really do not feel that anyone should take these incidents too 
> seriously. From my own experience some of the best, most interesting and 
> vital things happen out of controversy. I am enjoying the submissions so far, 
> and realise that there is still plenty of time until the show at HTTP.
>
> I should say now, I do not intend to get involved in making any work for the 
> DIWO and Dark Mountain, but will be part of the dialogue every now and then. 
> It gives me the space to be a part of it without having to contribute any 
> actual art - which is one of its strengths.
>
> Those of you who are making work - you should know that there are lurkers on 
> the list who I know, who are journalists - peers, who are completely 
> enthralled by what's going on. Even if you are not currently aware, this 
> project is going to be far reaching outside of this list and the HTTP 
> Gallery. And I do not mean just the Internet. What mean is, that there are 
> journalists who belong to the BBC media and other mainstream newspapers who 
> are looking out for alternative ways into dealing with such issues and 
> activities, openings which are not caught up in the usual, commercial 
> trappings, institutionally directed or controlled. This is because many of 
> the main bodies in media and education are at a loss in how to engage with 
> the subjects an ideas being considered. These frameworks which have so far 
> sustainied themselves, in holding themselves up as leaders of culture, 
> business and creative industries are not successfully dealing with the issues 
> of the day because they are too !
 reliant on the very systems which have put us here in the first place. They 
need people like yourself and myself, to show them different forms of 
expression so to guide them

[NetBehaviour] Today, 1pm, Los Angeles, Dorkbot Socal at Machine Project

[micha cardenas / azdel slade]

Dorkbot SoCal 38

*Saturday, October 31st, 2009
1pm*

*Micha Cárdenas – Lecturer, Visual Arts Department, UCSD //
Artist/Researcher, Experimental Game Lab and b.a.n.g. lab*

*Chris Head – MFA Candidate UCSD // Artist/Researcher, Experimental
Game Lab and b.a.n.g. lab*

*Elle Mehrmand – MFA Candidate UCSD // Musician, Assembly of Mazes //
Artist/Researcher, b.a.n.g. lab*
->http://va-grad.ucsd.edu/~drupal/node/918

The Freephone is an art project that aims to provide people just deported
from the US with a free phone call. To achieve this, a group of UCSD MFA
students and graduates came together to present the phone at the Lui
Velazquez gallery in Tijuana, just a few feet from the turnstiles where
people who are deported are dropped off by the border patrol. The project is
by Chris Head, Micha Cárdenas, Elle Mehrmand, Katherine Sweetman, Felipe
Zuñiga and Camilo Ontiveros.

The Freephone is an effort to use new media performance art or performance
with technology to make the experience that people who are deported from the
US a little bit less difficult. To make the phone, the artists bought a non
working payphone casing from Ebay.com, wired it to a new $10 phone from a
store and hooked that up to an adapter which would allow the phone to make
calls over the internet. Then, the phone was installed outside of the Lui
Velazquez gallery and the artists invited people coming through the
turnstiles at the border to make a free phone call.
*
D.V. Rogers*
->http://pieqf.allshookup.org/

Leaving no trace, the Parkfield Interventional EQ Fieldwork (PIEQF) was a
geologically interactive machine earthwork temporarily installed in the
remote township of Parkfield, Central California during the summer of 2008.
This time-sharing, performance earthwork merged together the micro-seismic
resonance of geological time and the autonomous operation of a ready-made,
modified machine, producing an immersive, digitally mapped 21st century
machine earthwork action.

*Owen Gerst*
->http://stolondesign.com/

Owen Gerst is engaged in the process of architecture, but casts aside the
title of architect. He is a representative of ideas, and draws a distinction
between building and architecture. Building serves basic raw needs.
Architecture is about something – an IDEA. It is the IDEA that, through the
creative process, serves as the catalyst in a process of transformation –
turning the very basic into something special, unique, and magnificent. The
IDEA is the essence of architecture, and it is the IDEA that Gerst is
interested in – the IDEA in all its forms and methods of representation.


-- 
micha cárdenas / azdel slade

Artist/Researcher, Experimental Game Lab, http://experimentalgamelab.net
Calit2 Researcher, http://bang.calit2.net

blog: http://transreal.org
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[NetBehaviour] A welcome to DIWO and the Dark Mountain

[s_home]

Hi Everyone,

Thought it best to introduce myself to the Netbehaviour list now - before it's 
too late.

I am new here and am studying an MA in London, Art and Politics, Goldsmiths, 
originally from Canada. I come from a journalist back ground. So I suppose it 
was natural for me to find the origin of manifesto fascinating, and a challenge 
to myself. I clicked on the link from the Do It With Others at the Dark 
Mountain blog, and then read Paul Kingsnorth's post 
http://www.paulkingsnorth.net/2007/09/i-resign.html about why he had resigned 
"I travelled round England for nine months, uncovering real, meaningful, urgent 
and important stories, few of which the media have even noticed. I'm not some 
sort of investigative genius. I just got off my arse and moved about a bit and 
talked to people: ordinary, unglamorous people with remarkable stories to tell. 
That's what I thought journalists were supposed to do. [...]The point is that 
the country, and the world, are made up of stories; incredible stories of real 
people fighting real battles, and few of these stories are being told."

"I haven't got much further than that (though I do have a very good name). What 
I really need are collaborators; fellow writers and artists who see a space out 
there for something deeply, darkly unfashionable and defiant, and who would 
like to help make it happen. This is a long journey, I imagine, which begins 
here. I need people of integrity and ideas to help me shape it and make it 
happen. Interested? Then drop me a line and let's see if we're on the same 
wavelength. A journey begins here. Who knows where it will end up?"

Still wondering if I want to stay in the UK after the completion of my course. 
Have been to some events and shows at furtherfield's HTTP gallery - I hesitate 
calling it a gallery, because it seems so much different than the rest of the 
spaces I have visited. I went to the Class Wargames weekend, which was 
excellent, and I also went to the weekend opening for the Kate Rich show 'Feral 
Trade Cafe'. I brought my own home made cake to the event and there were loads 
of other people there, including those working at the space. What was so 
different from any other of my event and exhibition expriences, was how down to 
earth and friendly they were, I could talk to them even though I was not some 
high flyer. I was treated with as much respect as the artist taking part. I 
would say that this kind of unpretentiousness, connecting with visitors and 
anyone who just happend to be asking questions silly or otherwise, is a fair 
representation of most of furtherfield's acitivies and ideals, !
 not sure if they have any ideals actually. Note to self - must look deeper 
into this stuff.

My time on Netbehaviour has only been a couple of weeks at most, and already I 
have learnt so much. It's crazy, completely fluid and alive, unlike any other 
list. My own ideas around the notion of people being rude on the list to 
Douglad, is that what has been happening is a very natural state of affairs, 
and I really do not feel that anyone should take these incidents too seriously. 
From my own experience some of the best, most interesting and vital things 
happen out of controversy. I am enjoying the submissions so far, and realise 
that there is still plenty of time until the show at HTTP.

I should say now, I do not intend to get involved in making any work for the 
DIWO and Dark Mountain, but will be part of the dialogue every now and then. It 
gives me the space to be a part of it without having to contribute any actual 
art - which is one of its strengths.

Those of you who are making work - you should know that there are lurkers on 
the list who I know, who are journalists - peers, who are completely enthralled 
by what's going on. Even if you are not currently aware, this project is going 
to be far reaching outside of this list and the HTTP Gallery. And I do not mean 
just the Internet. What mean is, that there are journalists who belong to the 
BBC media and other mainstream newspapers who are looking out for alternative 
ways into dealing with such issues and activities, openings which are not 
caught up in the usual, commercial trappings, institutionally directed or 
controlled. This is because many of the main bodies in media and education are 
at a loss in how to engage with the subjects an ideas being considered. These 
frameworks which have so far sustainied themselves, in holding themselves up as 
leaders of culture, business and creative industries are not successfully 
dealing with the issues of the day because they are too re!
 liant on the very systems which have put us here in the first place. They need 
people like yourself and myself, to show them different forms of expression so 
to guide them out of their own limited, quagmires. They do not want answers, 
they just need to relearn how to be real again. Shake things up a bit.

Enough of my noise, all I have left to say is, that I wish you all

Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO: a host of whys

[anniea]

*Do* = act
*It* What? make a show
*With* = this is the difficult part
*Others *Who? not me (I wanted to put a list of the names of all
subscribers, but as I am not an administrator I don't have access to the
list of subscribers)

I (Annie Abrahams, artist working on computermediated communication?) never
like manifestos, I am some one who likes to think, to observe and to act, no
so much to talk and discuss , but I do respect Dougalds position and work
and I am very glad you (Dougald) are observing us and hopefully
participating in, just trying to do something as simple as make a show
together.

*At* Where? HTTP gallery
*The* = the, no capital
*Dark*, Let there be light
*Mountain* is too far away, too high
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Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO: a host of whys

[marc garrett]

Hi Olga,

 >By the way Marc I think you are always very welcoming.. this is by no
 >means your responsibility but something we need to deal with (I think)
 >as a group.. And I believe we are..

Yes - I knew this, but sometimes one needs to be retold or at least 
reconsider and look at things again :-)

much thanks :-)

marc

Yesterday I replied to Dougald's email and forgot to actually
introduce myself. I'm Olga, I'm Spanish, co-editor at Furtherfield.. I
sort of decided to start calling myself media artist, cause you need
to tag yourself somehow. My background is Audiovisual Communication, I
did my MA in Interactive media in Cultural Studies and I'm currently
doing my PhD at Goldsmiths (London) on the potential of fiction to
intervene reality, on the power of constructed alternative worlds to
affect what we have here now.. I think there is a lot in the manifesto
that can be taken in that way.

By the way Marc I think you are always very welcoming.. this is by no
means your responsibility but something we need to deal with (I think)
as a group.. And I believe we are..

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[marc garrett]

Hi Renee & all,

OK - I'm back on track.

I was feeling (very) tired last night and feeling a little sensitive 
about various things, which included the DIWO at the Dark Mountain.

Coming back this morning, reviewing posts generally, as well as 
contributions related to the project I am now feeling much more 
positive. Especially with Renee's, James' and other posts putting 
everything into a more clearer perspective.

I have also been on other email lists for many years now, the same as 
the lists Renee mentioned and others like Rhizome in the mid-90's, and 
BBs systems before the Internet. And yet, I still get deeply involved in 
the dynamics of it all. Sometimes in such a way that it can feel quite 
raw, as though one is talking to many others in the same room, even if 
this of course is not true physically.

Also, I have received a few off-list posts by newbies who are gradually 
getting their heads around the list dynamic themselves. Offering, mostly 
productive support for the project and the Netbehaviour list, with 
intentions of getting involved from today and onwards. Karen mentioned a 
few days ago, something quite intuitive about this project, this list 
and the way that certain open projects such as this, can offer itself up 
as being extremely vulnerable. Which does allow for uncertain 
possibilties and events suddenly turning in unexpected directions and 
zones, which can be unsettling for us, and the many who are involved. It 
is a risk, because it relies on the chance that people will get it and 
contribute in their own manner, without constant directing.

We have been criticized by certain groups and individuals who would love 
us to fail, saying that top-down, institutional frameworks are better. 
Which is a political stance, ignoring the need for a more authentic 
discourse between artists and other creative thinkers. People like 
Nicolas Bourriaud who has been trying to close down our culture and 
reclaim its spirit for his own specific, personal and mono-cultural 
agenda. Ellie Harrison wrote an interesting and thought provoking 
article about Bourriaud's antics, which can be read here on furtherfield 
called 'Altermodernism: The Age of the Stupid' 
http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?review_id=360 - then you 
have Ekow Eshun, Artistic Director of the ICA who closed the media arts 
and live arts programme at the ICA in 2008. There is more, but I think 
you get the point...

 >For some  
 > odd reason, counter to other list cultures, people seem to care. They  
 > don't just academically challenge, but they share a genuine concern  
 > over "the state of affairs". That also means ideas are sometimes  
 > delivered half-baked and raw.

Yes, the process of exploring at various levels, means that things are 
not immediately resolved and much is worked through via participation or 
collaboration, being a part of it whether in small or large way. As 
Karen also said, it also involves an element of trust rather than 
restricting options of discovery.

Anyway,

much thanks :-)

marc
 
 > Hi Marc, Dougald and all,
 >
 > Lists can have an odd dynamic.  It's often hard to keep up with the  
 > pace of posts (especially when the DIWO rhythm kicks in) and not  
 > having face to face contact can evoke perhaps more aggressive  
 > responses - most of all because unless you're a super writer/reader  
 > it's tough at times to grasp the tone.  Not to mention, the "who said  
 > what loop" is amplified as more mails are added to the pile.
 >
 > As cheesy as it seems, I've found people on this list to be incredibly  
 > generous with one another.  In fact, this is one of the few lists I  
 > remain a fan of. (And I am an oldie on nettime, faces, empyre and even  
 > the IDC list)  What makes netbehaviour cool?  An email like this from  
 > Marc where he tries to rethink how something is moderated, Karen's  
 > post about reintroducing ourselves to list members,  Simon's grumpy  
 > response about Utopia (please read this with affection as that mail  
 > made me crack a smile-the x punk in me sympathized ;-) and Olga's  
 > carefully considered post trying to catch up on various threads  
 > mentioned. (and let's not forget about the ongoing/moving Sondheim  
 > stream and the re-worked heads that have been rolling around) For some  
 > odd reason, counter to other list cultures, people seem to care. They  
 > don't just academically challenge, but they share a genuine concern  
 > over "the state of affairs". That also means ideas are sometimes  
 > delivered half-baked and raw.   I'm hoping the glitches, bumps and  
 > crashes are part and parcel of the project and are as crucial to the  
 > process of discussion as the careful reconsiderations and the humble  
 > apologies :-)
 >
 > Okay, who am I?
 > My name is Renee Turner.
 > I'm a member of De Geuzen: a foundation for multi-visual research.
 > You can find our collaborative work here: http://www.geuzen.org/
 > I also write both digital a

Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO: a host of whys

[Olga]

Hi all,

Yesterday I replied to Dougald's email and forgot to actually
introduce myself. I'm Olga, I'm Spanish, co-editor at Furtherfield.. I
sort of decided to start calling myself media artist, cause you need
to tag yourself somehow. My background is Audiovisual Communication, I
did my MA in Interactive media in Cultural Studies and I'm currently
doing my PhD at Goldsmiths (London) on the potential of fiction to
intervene reality, on the power of constructed alternative worlds to
affect what we have here now.. I think there is a lot in the manifesto
that can be taken in that way.

By the way Marc I think you are always very welcoming.. this is by no
means your responsibility but something we need to deal with (I think)
as a group.. And I believe we are..


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Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO: a host of whys

[manik]

Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO: a host of whys...HYSTORY...HYSTERI...A...
 MANIK,OCTOBER 2009...
  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Biggs 
  To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 
  Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO: a host of whys


  I am not grumpy :( grumble !!

  Simon Biggs

  Research Professor
  edinburgh college of art
  s.bi...@eca.ac.uk
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  Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments
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  Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 

  Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:14:24 +0100
  To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity 

  Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO: a host of whys

  Hi Marc, Dougald and all,

  Lists can have an odd dynamic.  It's often hard to keep up with the  
  pace of posts (especially when the DIWO rhythm kicks in) and not  
  having face to face contact can evoke perhaps more aggressive  
  responses - most of all because unless you're a super writer/reader  
  it's tough at times to grasp the tone.  Not to mention, the "who said  
  what loop" is amplified as more mails are added to the pile.

  As cheesy as it seems, I've found people on this list to be incredibly  
  generous with one another.  In fact, this is one of the few lists I  
  remain a fan of. (And I am an oldie on nettime, faces, empyre and even  
  the IDC list)  What makes netbehaviour cool?  An email like this from  
  Marc where he tries to rethink how something is moderated, Karen's  
  post about reintroducing ourselves to list members,  Simon's grumpy  
  response about Utopia (please read this with affection as that mail  
  made me crack a smile-the x punk in me sympathized ;-) and Olga's  
  carefully considered post trying to catch up on various threads  
  mentioned. (and let's not forget about the ongoing/moving Sondheim  
  stream and the re-worked heads that have been rolling around) For some  
  odd reason, counter to other list cultures, people seem to care. They  
  don't just academically challenge, but they share a genuine concern  
  over "the state of affairs". That also means ideas are sometimes  
  delivered half-baked and raw.   I'm hoping the glitches, bumps and  
  crashes are part and parcel of the project and are as crucial to the  
  process of discussion as the careful reconsiderations and the humble  
  apologies :-)

  Okay, who am I?
  My name is Renee Turner.
  I'm a member of De Geuzen: a foundation for multi-visual research.
  You can find our collaborative work here: http://www.geuzen.org/
  I also write both digital and analog narratives.  That work can be  
  found here: http://www.fudgethefacts.com/
  Next to this, although I was born in Texas, I've live in the  
  Netherlands since the early nineties.
  Currently I work too many teaching jobs to keep my family in a house
  I'm the lover of a wonderful Italian man. We have a precocious six  
  year old boy who keeps us on our toes.
  I'm a mixer of disciplines.
  Lastly I have taught art since the mid nineties at various  
  universities and art schools.
  oh and I live with a cat that's trying to dominate me...

  Okay, guess that's itI look forward to meeting others on the list  
  and ploughing forward with DIWO in spite of (or embracing) the  
  ruptures. and I hope I have time to contribute as things move  
  along :-)

  xx Renee




  On Oct 30, 2009, at 11:07 PM, marc garrett wrote:

  > Hi Dougald,
  >
  >> "Welcoming" was the word Marc used to describe this list to me, I  
  >> think.
  >
  > I think I mentioned that there was a variety good quality people on  
  > this
  > list and that they would be open and would welcome you, something  
  > along
  > these lines anyway.
  >
  > At this point, I am at a 'real' loss of what else one should say or  
  > even do.
  >
  > I take the blame for putting you in such a harsh place, I'm sorry, I
  > expected something different - that'll teach me.
  >
  > I'm going to take a rest and rethink a few things - I feel quite
  > disturbed by it all, as well as many other things similar.
  >
  > I may feel different tomorrow...
  >
  > marc
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Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO solar powered (un)civilisation

[Olga]

Hi James,

Thanks for your email. In fact the idea that we are all human, and the
idea of trying to integrate all these different opinions or tactics of
existence helps me find this degree of modesty I'm looking for.. And I
understand a manifesto is not usually humble, but I think it is for a
reason. It is an instigator.

As for the different voices, they are probably already integrated
under the project of DIWO.. But are you thinking of a piece or project
in particular that articulates all these voices?


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[Olga]

With modesty we'll try...
Happy weekend :)


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Re: [NetBehaviour] MANIK Samuel Beckett HTML remix

[Michael Szpakowski]

thanks Annie! glad you like it!
warmest
m.

--- On Sat, 10/31/09, anniea  wrote:

> From: anniea 
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] MANIK Samuel Beckett HTML remix
> To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" 
> 
> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 11:59 AM
> This is inspiring Michael
> Thanks
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:38 PM,
> Michael Szpakowski 
> wrote:
> 
> http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/diwo2009/beckett/
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/diwo2009/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, manik 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > From: manik 
> 
> > Subject: [NetBehaviour] OKAY
> 
> > To: "netbehaviour" 
> 
> > Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 10:45 AM
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> > ...OKAY...WHO AM
> 
> > I...
> 
> > MANIK,OCTOBER
> 
> > 2009...
> 
> >
> 
> > -Inline Attachment Follows-
> 
> >
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Video "Squad" fragment 3 min Riam06 
> http://aabrahams.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/squad/
> http://vimeo.com/6926113
> 
> 
> "Sortir de sa bulle : entretien croisé entre Annie
> Abrahams et Albertine Meunier" par Cyril Thomas 
> http://www.ciac.ca/magazine/entrevue.htm"Coming
> Out of One's Bubble" Interview with Annie Abrahams
> and Albertine Meunier by Cyril  Thomas. 
> http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?review_id=354
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Re: [NetBehaviour] MANIK Samuel Beckett HTML remix

[anniea]

This is inspiring Michael
Thanks


On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Michael Szpakowski wrote:

> http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/diwo2009/beckett/
>
> http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/diwo2009/
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 10/31/09, manik  wrote:
>
> > From: manik 
> > Subject: [NetBehaviour] OKAY
> > To: "netbehaviour" 
> > Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 10:45 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ...OKAY...WHO AM
> > I...
> > MANIK,OCTOBER
> > 2009...
> >
> > -Inline Attachment Follows-
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[Michael Szpakowski]

http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/diwo2009/beckett/

http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/diwo2009/



--- On Sat, 10/31/09, manik  wrote:

> From: manik 
> Subject: [NetBehaviour] OKAY
> To: "netbehaviour" 
> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 10:45 AM
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> ...OKAY...WHO AM 
> I...
> MANIK,OCTOBER
> 2009... 
> 
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Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO: a host of whys

[Simon Biggs]

I am not grumpy :( grumble !!

Simon Biggs

Research Professor
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s.bi...@eca.ac.uk
www.eca.ac.uk

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CIRCLE research group
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From: Renee Turner 
Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:14:24 +0100
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity

Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO: a host of whys

Hi Marc, Dougald and all,

Lists can have an odd dynamic.  It's often hard to keep up with the
pace of posts (especially when the DIWO rhythm kicks in) and not
having face to face contact can evoke perhaps more aggressive
responses - most of all because unless you're a super writer/reader
it's tough at times to grasp the tone.  Not to mention, the "who said
what loop" is amplified as more mails are added to the pile.

As cheesy as it seems, I've found people on this list to be incredibly
generous with one another.  In fact, this is one of the few lists I
remain a fan of. (And I am an oldie on nettime, faces, empyre and even
the IDC list)  What makes netbehaviour cool?  An email like this from
Marc where he tries to rethink how something is moderated, Karen's
post about reintroducing ourselves to list members,  Simon's grumpy
response about Utopia (please read this with affection as that mail
made me crack a smile-the x punk in me sympathized ;-) and Olga's
carefully considered post trying to catch up on various threads
mentioned. (and let's not forget about the ongoing/moving Sondheim
stream and the re-worked heads that have been rolling around) For some
odd reason, counter to other list cultures, people seem to care. They
don't just academically challenge, but they share a genuine concern
over "the state of affairs". That also means ideas are sometimes
delivered half-baked and raw.   I'm hoping the glitches, bumps and
crashes are part and parcel of the project and are as crucial to the
process of discussion as the careful reconsiderations and the humble
apologies :-)

Okay, who am I?
My name is Renee Turner.
I'm a member of De Geuzen: a foundation for multi-visual research.
You can find our collaborative work here: http://www.geuzen.org/
I also write both digital and analog narratives.  That work can be
found here: http://www.fudgethefacts.com/
Next to this, although I was born in Texas, I've live in the
Netherlands since the early nineties.
Currently I work too many teaching jobs to keep my family in a house
I'm the lover of a wonderful Italian man. We have a precocious six
year old boy who keeps us on our toes.
I'm a mixer of disciplines.
Lastly I have taught art since the mid nineties at various
universities and art schools.
oh and I live with a cat that's trying to dominate me...

Okay, guess that's itI look forward to meeting others on the list
and ploughing forward with DIWO in spite of (or embracing) the
ruptures. and I hope I have time to contribute as things move
along :-)

xx Renee




On Oct 30, 2009, at 11:07 PM, marc garrett wrote:

> Hi Dougald,
>
>> "Welcoming" was the word Marc used to describe this list to me, I
>> think.
>
> I think I mentioned that there was a variety good quality people on
> this
> list and that they would be open and would welcome you, something
> along
> these lines anyway.
>
> At this point, I am at a 'real' loss of what else one should say or
> even do.
>
> I take the blame for putting you in such a harsh place, I'm sorry, I
> expected something different - that'll teach me.
>
> I'm going to take a rest and rethink a few things - I feel quite
> disturbed by it all, as well as many other things similar.
>
> I may feel different tomorrow...
>
> marc
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[NetBehaviour] UTOPIA

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Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO: a host of whys

[Renee Turner]

Hi Marc, Dougald and all,

Lists can have an odd dynamic.  It's often hard to keep up with the  
pace of posts (especially when the DIWO rhythm kicks in) and not  
having face to face contact can evoke perhaps more aggressive  
responses - most of all because unless you're a super writer/reader  
it's tough at times to grasp the tone.  Not to mention, the "who said  
what loop" is amplified as more mails are added to the pile.

As cheesy as it seems, I've found people on this list to be incredibly  
generous with one another.  In fact, this is one of the few lists I  
remain a fan of. (And I am an oldie on nettime, faces, empyre and even  
the IDC list)  What makes netbehaviour cool?  An email like this from  
Marc where he tries to rethink how something is moderated, Karen's  
post about reintroducing ourselves to list members,  Simon's grumpy  
response about Utopia (please read this with affection as that mail  
made me crack a smile-the x punk in me sympathized ;-) and Olga's  
carefully considered post trying to catch up on various threads  
mentioned. (and let's not forget about the ongoing/moving Sondheim  
stream and the re-worked heads that have been rolling around) For some  
odd reason, counter to other list cultures, people seem to care. They  
don't just academically challenge, but they share a genuine concern  
over "the state of affairs". That also means ideas are sometimes  
delivered half-baked and raw.   I'm hoping the glitches, bumps and  
crashes are part and parcel of the project and are as crucial to the  
process of discussion as the careful reconsiderations and the humble  
apologies :-)

Okay, who am I?
My name is Renee Turner.
I'm a member of De Geuzen: a foundation for multi-visual research.
You can find our collaborative work here: http://www.geuzen.org/
I also write both digital and analog narratives.  That work can be  
found here: http://www.fudgethefacts.com/
Next to this, although I was born in Texas, I've live in the  
Netherlands since the early nineties.
Currently I work too many teaching jobs to keep my family in a house
I'm the lover of a wonderful Italian man. We have a precocious six  
year old boy who keeps us on our toes.
I'm a mixer of disciplines.
Lastly I have taught art since the mid nineties at various  
universities and art schools.
oh and I live with a cat that's trying to dominate me...

Okay, guess that's itI look forward to meeting others on the list  
and ploughing forward with DIWO in spite of (or embracing) the  
ruptures. and I hope I have time to contribute as things move  
along :-)

xx Renee




On Oct 30, 2009, at 11:07 PM, marc garrett wrote:

> Hi Dougald,
>
>> "Welcoming" was the word Marc used to describe this list to me, I  
>> think.
>
> I think I mentioned that there was a variety good quality people on  
> this
> list and that they would be open and would welcome you, something  
> along
> these lines anyway.
>
> At this point, I am at a 'real' loss of what else one should say or  
> even do.
>
> I take the blame for putting you in such a harsh place, I'm sorry, I
> expected something different - that'll teach me.
>
> I'm going to take a rest and rethink a few things - I feel quite
> disturbed by it all, as well as many other things similar.
>
> I may feel different tomorrow...
>
> marc
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Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO solar powered (un)civilisation

[Simon Biggs]

I wasn¹t being dismissive of a particular manifesto. I was being critical of
all manifesto¹s. However, my critique was double edged. The reference to
Sartre evoked his statement that ³other people are hell². That statement
needs to be interpreted within the larger context in which he wrote it,
which was a text about how we only know ourselves through our interactions
with others and that we therefore see others as ourselves (or ourselves in
others). As such, when he said ³other people are hell² he was effectively
saying ³we (as in ourselves) are hell². We are all part of the problem.

>From what I understand of the Dark Mountain manifesto its places
responsibility for our current situation at everyone¹s door. I would agree
with that. I would also agree that we will only develop effective responses
to developments if they involve everybody. However, it is unlikely that the
solution will come from a manifesto or, if it does, the price attached to it
will be too high for most to pay (until it is too late).

One could argue that the single gravest cause of the degradation of our
planet is the increase in human population; that our need for energy, food,
resources and trade are too great because there are too many of us. If that
is the case then there is a clear solution - reduce the number of people.
Next problem; how are we going to do that? We could take the gradualist
approach (like the Chinese) and introduce controls on reproduction. We could
employ more dramatic solutions (eg: a bit of targeted genocide or refusing
populations access to resources). As we have seen, even the relatively
gentle gradualist approach China adopted has proven too much to swallow for
many and their current policy is starting to come apart at the seams, with
regional Chinese governments now over-riding it.

There would seem to be little likelihood that a top down solution to our
problems will work. Such imposed solutions have not worked in previous
situations. It is probable that our governments will arrive at various
agreements that will lead to some tinkering around the edges of the problem,
but nothing effective will come out of it. They do not have the political
will to challenge the people to the degree that would be required.

The more likely scenario is that we will eventually be overwhelmed by
natural forces we can longer manage and our civilisation, as we know it,
will collapse. The natural and cultural world will be severely diminished
and human populations will decrease, as they did in Europe during the
centuries after the collapse of the Roman Empire.

OK, that¹s a dystopian vision. Perhaps my distrust of anything that even
begins to smell of utopian thought only evidences my dystopian inclinations.
That may be so. I sure hope I am wrong. I just can¹t believe I might be
wrong because it makes me feel good ­ and human beings have never done
anything to raise one¹s hopes they might redeem themselves and pull their
collective finger out. They will not even agree on which finger.

But you are WELCOME to try, of course.

Best

Simon


Simon Biggs

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Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments
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From: james morris 
Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:03:13 + (GMT)
To: 
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO solar powered (un)civilisation


Hi Olga,

Thanks for addressing Simon's dismissive. I'm easily lead. The
manifesto did it, then Edward, Micheal and Simon. Now you've done it.

I'm all for trying to find someway to encapsulate all these different
opinions and attitudes in a way of seeing life or whatever you want to
call it. The fact we're all human is as good a starting point as any,
but only so helpful as to make the odd person or two smile :) :)

James.



On 30/10/2009, "Olga"  wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Lots of discussion on Netbehaviour, time to say hi. It looks like DIWO
>at the Dark Mountain has definitely managed to bring people together
>to collaborate. There are a few things of the discussion that I'd like
>to comment on.
>
>
>ABOUT UTOPIA
>
>Simon Biggs: "I'd rather live in a fucked up world that in somebody
>else's utopia. What often fucks us up is other people's solutions."
>
>Instead of dismissing the utopian impulse altogether I still find more
>interesting the idea of utopia as a driving force, as the possibility
>of imagining the alternative, and as a pre-requisite of bringing it
>into being. But Utopia should not anymore be considered as a master
>plan or totalising idea, but rather as the possibility of multiple
>Others to what we have now, that can be inspiring for our lives today.
>
>Many authors have written of the colonisation of the future by
>capital. Frederic Jameson talks about the discourse of progress as "an
>attempt to colonize the future, to