Re: [NetBehaviour] Wanted Works: Le Dejeuner Sur l'Herbe by O.Brody K.Paetau
Am 16.06.2009 um 20:20 schrieb Bobig.fr: I don't like this work. too easy. Provocation is a good attitude for Art dating from the twentieth century. Edouard Manet'work was the suggestion of lust. here no suggestion. just porn. and don't forget the humour, which is always a good thing to have in an art piece that has no provocative implications hans- UBERMORGEN.COM bobig O.Brody K.Paetau a écrit : LE DÉJEUNER SUR L’HERBE (2006) Hommage to Edouard Manet Video, 3 min. 39 sec. The video shows on the left screen the finished montage with contemporary czech porn actors animating the classical painting by Edouard Manet which forms the backdrop of the scene. On the right screen the shooting of the video in a blue box is displayed, showing the set with the 2 cameramen-directors dressed and painted in blue. The phonetically repeated french dialogues of the actors add to the awkwardness of their performance and to the disconcerting atmosphere of the work. We invite you to watch criticize the video online: http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=9 You can also buy this work online: http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=135 Warm regards, Ondrej Brody Kristofer Paetau ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Wanted Works: Le Dejeuner Sur l'Herbe by O.Brody K.Paetau
Hi Karen, we believe criticism is interesting and important, therefore we invite people to criticise our works online and keep the criticisms as part of the documentation. We don't feel like starting a discussion with those anonymous criticisms although sometimes people start responding to each others comments which is fine if it happens. So to answer your first question YES there are several points in criticizing asn making it possible to do it. Even though people don't write themselves it is interesting for them to read what other people wrote we believe. NO, a reaction from the public whatever it might be is not the main purpose of our work, although it certainly is one purpose. Best, Kristofer On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:42 PM, karen blissettkaren.bliss...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Ondrej Brody Kristofer Paetau, We invite you to watch criticize the video online... first question: I was wondering if there was any point in any criticism being made? I have read some of the responses to some of your other works, such as 'dog carpets' (http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=119) and do not see any dialogue between yourselves and the public - it seems as if there is no discussion with the public, other than within the framework of people's reactions to your work. Second question: So I'm wondering - is a reaction from the public whatever that may be, the main purpose of your work? karen. On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:50 PM, O.Brody K.Paetau brodypae...@googlemail.com wrote: LE DÉJEUNER SUR L’HERBE (2006) Hommage to Edouard Manet Video, 3 min. 39 sec. The video shows on the left screen the finished montage with contemporary czech porn actors animating the classical painting by Edouard Manet which forms the backdrop of the scene. On the right screen the shooting of the video in a blue box is displayed, showing the set with the 2 cameramen-directors dressed and painted in blue. The phonetically repeated french dialogues of the actors add to the awkwardness of their performance and to the disconcerting atmosphere of the work. We invite you to watch criticize the video online: http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=9 You can also buy this work online: http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=135 Warm regards, Ondrej Brody Kristofer Paetau -- Wanted Works is an e-mail list encouraging criticality within contemporary visual art. You are subscribed to Wanted Works using the following email: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org UNSUBSCRIBE using the following URL: http://freshsent.telekommunisten.net/mail.cgi/u/CriticizeNow/ If the above URL is inoperable, make sure that you copy paste the entire URL address in your browser and hit Enter. You can also answer to this mail and write UNSUBSCRIBE in the mail subject in order to be unsubscribed. THANK YOU to Telekommunisten for hosting the Wanted Works mailinglist: http://www.telekommunisten.net/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- http://www.brodypaetau.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Wanted Works: Le Dejeuner Sur l'Herbe by O.Brody K.Paetau
Hello Kristofer, Thank you for your answers. I only ask, because I feel your work seems to deliberately incorporate an agenda where, reactions or interpretations of a similar type are an important factor, an essence of the work's nature and purpose, perhaps not its whole reasoning but it does seem essential. Even though people don't write themselves it is interesting for them to read what other people wrote we believe. Yes, I think it is an important pert of the process, part of its growth or presence - this could be said for most art and its dialogue culturally. OK - so my next enquiry relates to art and controversy. Are there any examples in your own work or others work where you think that they may have crossed the line, or do you think that anyone or anything is fair game? One of your projects which I found very interesting which was a kind of 'cultural' intervention, was 'A Visit to a Mosque' http://www.slashseconds.org/issues/003/002/articles/brodypaetau2/index.php From my own perspective this seems a mild intervention, but of course it symbolises something stronger when we take the position of those who's lives exist around the mosque, as a part of their sacred and daily ritual. The camera movement ends with the sight of a pair of brown cowboy boots standing on the floor under the shelves, witness of a visitor whose shoes wouldn't fit into the shelves. The provocative presence of this alien intruder is undermined by the natural and smooth character of a random observation. We find ourselves confronted with our own stereotypes created mainly by media. Cowboy boots are a stereotypical pair of items which we all expect Americans to wear, but we know that many different people chose to wear these items around the world, but Muslims? What I saw from this work was an attempt to create a playful paradigm shift when placing such items in an environment which has experienced prejudice as well as a culture of violence, not only from racists and negative media representation but also from some its own factions of religious extremism. So, in this context, the boots themselves could be perceived as an invasion into another culture's space. I look forward to discussing further soon. Karen we believe criticism is interesting and important, therefore we invite people to criticise our works online and keep the criticisms as part of the documentation. We don't feel like starting a discussion with those anonymous criticisms although sometimes people start responding to each others comments which is fine if it happens. So to answer your first question YES there are several points in criticizing asn making it possible to do it. Even though people don't write themselves it is interesting for them to read what other people wrote we believe. NO, a reaction from the public whatever it might be is not the main purpose of our work, although it certainly is one purpose. Best, Kristofer On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:42 PM, karen blissettkaren.bliss...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Ondrej Brody Kristofer Paetau, We invite you to watch criticize the video online... first question: I was wondering if there was any point in any criticism being made? I have read some of the responses to some of your other works, such as 'dog carpets' (http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=119) and do not see any dialogue between yourselves and the public - it seems as if there is no discussion with the public, other than within the framework of people's reactions to your work. Second question: So I'm wondering - is a reaction from the public whatever that may be, the main purpose of your work? karen. On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:50 PM, O.Brody K.Paetau brodypae...@googlemail.com wrote: LE DÉJEUNER SUR L’HERBE (2006) Hommage to Edouard Manet Video, 3 min. 39 sec. The video shows on the left screen the finished montage with contemporary czech porn actors animating the classical painting by Edouard Manet which forms the backdrop of the scene. On the right screen the shooting of the video in a blue box is displayed, showing the set with the 2 cameramen-directors dressed and painted in blue. The phonetically repeated french dialogues of the actors add to the awkwardness of their performance and to the disconcerting atmosphere of the work. We invite you to watch criticize the video online: http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=9 You can also buy this work online: http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=135 Warm regards, Ondrej Brody Kristofer Paetau -- Wanted Works is an e-mail list encouraging criticality within contemporary visual art. You are subscribed to Wanted Works using the following email: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org UNSUBSCRIBE using the following URL: http://freshsent.telekommunisten.net/mail.cgi/u/CriticizeNow/ If the above URL is inoperable, make sure that you copy paste the entire URL address in your browser and hit Enter. You can
Re: [NetBehaviour] Wanted Works: Le Dejeuner Sur l'Herbe by O.Brody K.Paetau
On 17/6/2009, O.Brody K.Paetau brodypae...@googlemail.com wrote: we believe criticism is interesting and important, therefore we invite it can be. much of the 'critical' comment on your site is neither interesting nor important and generally i avoid the kind of websites where these sort of unpleasant comments get made (because i'm easily influenced and dislike how i react to them ). people to criticise our works online and keep the criticisms as part of the documentation. We don't feel like starting a discussion with those anonymous criticisms although sometimes people start responding that's a lame excuse. i did not feel like getting up at 5am again and going to work today, but i did. who's fault is it that the comments are anonymous? is it important that the comments are anonymous so that people can feel free to be as rude as they wish? this attracts rude people which in itself dissuades more serious types from commenting. on the other hand you could *require* a name and email address and maybe a captcha and then the plain rude people might be less inclined to comment... it seems the rude people are important here, if it was not for them the site would probably lack comments (like mine does). to each others comments which is fine if it happens. So to answer your first question YES there are several points in criticizing asn making it possible to do it. Even though people don't write themselves it is interesting for them to read what other people wrote we believe. most of the comments are uninteresting to read. NO, a reaction from the public whatever it might be is not the main purpose of our work, although it certainly is one purpose. Best, Kristofer i guess i just don't like your work - sorry... i'll get over it soon. James. On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 7:42 PM, karen blissettkaren.bliss...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Ondrej Brody Kristofer Paetau, We invite you to watch criticize the video online... first question: I was wondering if there was any point in any criticism being made? I have read some of the responses to some of your other works, such as 'dog carpets' (http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=119) and do not see any dialogue between yourselves and the public - it seems as if there is no discussion with the public, other than within the framework of people's reactions to your work. Second question: So I'm wondering - is a reaction from the public whatever that may be, the main purpose of your work? karen. On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:50 PM, O.Brody K.Paetau brodypae...@googlemail.com wrote: LE DÃJEUNER SUR LâHERBE (2006) Hommage to Edouard Manet Video, 3 min. 39 sec. The video shows on the left screen the finished montage with contemporary czech porn actors animating the classical painting by Edouard Manet which forms the backdrop of the scene. On the right screen the shooting of the video in a blue box is displayed, showing the set with the 2 cameramen-directors dressed and painted in blue. The phonetically repeated french dialogues of the actors add to the awkwardness of their performance and to the disconcerting atmosphere of the work. We invite you to watch criticize the video online: http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=9 You can also buy this work online: http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=135 Warm regards, Ondrej Brody Kristofer Paetau -- Wanted Works is an e-mail list encouraging criticality within contemporary visual art. You are subscribed to Wanted Works using the following email: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org UNSUBSCRIBE using the following URL: http://freshsent.telekommunisten.net/mail.cgi/u/CriticizeNow/ If the above URL is inoperable, make sure that you copy paste the entire URL address in your browser and hit Enter. You can also answer to this mail and write UNSUBSCRIBE in the mail subject in order to be unsubscribed. THANK YOU to Telekommunisten for hosting the Wanted Works mailinglist: http://www.telekommunisten.net/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- http://www.brodypaetau.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Wanted Works: Le Dejeuner Sur l'Herbe by O.Brody K.Paetau
Hi Ondrej Brody Kristofer Paetau, We invite you to watch criticize the video online... first question: I was wondering if there was any point in any criticism being made? I have read some of the responses to some of your other works, such as 'dog carpets' (http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=119) and do not see any dialogue between yourselves and the public - it seems as if there is no discussion with the public, other than within the framework of people's reactions to your work. Second question: So I'm wondering - is a reaction from the public whatever that may be, the main purpose of your work? karen. On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:50 PM, O.Brody K.Paetau brodypae...@googlemail.com wrote: LE DÉJEUNER SUR L’HERBE (2006) Hommage to Edouard Manet Video, 3 min. 39 sec. The video shows on the left screen the finished montage with contemporary czech porn actors animating the classical painting by Edouard Manet which forms the backdrop of the scene. On the right screen the shooting of the video in a blue box is displayed, showing the set with the 2 cameramen-directors dressed and painted in blue. The phonetically repeated french dialogues of the actors add to the awkwardness of their performance and to the disconcerting atmosphere of the work. We invite you to watch criticize the video online: http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=9 You can also buy this work online: http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=135 Warm regards, Ondrej Brody Kristofer Paetau -- Wanted Works is an e-mail list encouraging criticality within contemporary visual art. You are subscribed to Wanted Works using the following email: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org UNSUBSCRIBE using the following URL: http://freshsent.telekommunisten.net/mail.cgi/u/CriticizeNow/ If the above URL is inoperable, make sure that you copy paste the entire URL address in your browser and hit Enter. You can also answer to this mail and write UNSUBSCRIBE in the mail subject in order to be unsubscribed. THANK YOU to Telekommunisten for hosting the Wanted Works mailinglist: http://www.telekommunisten.net/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Wanted Works: Le Dejeuner Sur l'Herbe by O.Brody K.Paetau
I don't like this work. too easy. Provocation is a good attitude for Art dating from the twentieth century. Edouard Manet'work was the suggestion of lust. here no suggestion. just porn. bobig O.Brody K.Paetau a écrit : LE DÉJEUNER SUR L’HERBE (2006) Hommage to Edouard Manet Video, 3 min. 39 sec. The video shows on the left screen the finished montage with contemporary czech porn actors animating the classical painting by Edouard Manet which forms the backdrop of the scene. On the right screen the shooting of the video in a blue box is displayed, showing the set with the 2 cameramen-directors dressed and painted in blue. The phonetically repeated french dialogues of the actors add to the awkwardness of their performance and to the disconcerting atmosphere of the work. We invite you to watch criticize the video online: http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=9 You can also buy this work online: http://brodypaetau.com/?page_id=135 Warm regards, Ondrej Brody Kristofer Paetau ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
