Re: Fatal error when page render clashes with a mail/news fetch
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:04:30 +0100, Harriet Bazley wrote: > On 20 Oct 2011 as I do recall, > cj wrote: > > > Has anyone else noticed that if a mail fetch initiates while NetSurf > > is rendering a page, then NS exits with a fatal error? > What I've observed has been fatal errors reported from Netsurf while > Firefox is rendering a page, resulting in both apps quitting the iconbar > (and sometimes FileCore in Use errors). There is also a crash that occurs when the homepage fails to fetch (not involving any other non-NetSurf software!). Due to the randomness I've not yet been able to get a log nor systematically reproduce it, but it might be related. Chris
Re: Fatal error when page render clashes with a mail/news fetch
In article <18c32a2552.GrahameParish@grahame.parish>, Grahame Parish wrote: > Just tried loading the news.bbc.co.uk page and running a mail fetch > (Netfetch/Hermes) and got a Netsurf error followed by quit. Ahhh - it's not just my system then. > In the instances above I rarely get an error box, just a sudden > quit from the iconbar. It's still worth checking in Scrap where NetSurf puts its log file, (there is an obey file in the !NS app called OpenScrap which is a quick way to get there). Check the timestamp on the log file to see whether it has just been written. I have found that, even when NS goes into a black hole, and the log file is not opened in an editor, it still often has been written. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Fatal error when page render clashes with a mail/news fetch
In message <52251d32acch...@chris-johnson.org.uk> cj wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that if a mail fetch initiates while NetSurf > is rendering a page, then NS exits with a fatal error? > Before submitting a report, it would be interesting to know whether > anyone else has experienced this. > It has done it several times here over the past few weeks(?), but has > taken me a while to realise the connection. I have now tried fetching > a web page and then forcing a mail fetch - it gives the error > sometimes - it may depend on exactly where NS has reached in the > rendering when the mail fetch starts and whether the page to be > rendered is already in the cache or not. > Forcing a news/rss fetch while NS was rendering a page caused NetSurf > to just vanish from the iconbar, with no error message. The pages > used for the test were ROOL pages. > I did these tests with r13071, but the errors have also occurred with > earlier releases. Machine is an Iyonix with RISC OS 5.17. Mail/news > software is Netfetch with Hermes and NewsHound. I've been experiencing random quits from Netsurf in recent revisions since 2.8 was released. Not been able to pin them down to anything, and often after restarting NS it will have no problem with the page. I've seen it on a variety of sites and locally rendered pages (email attachments). One instance was a Dabs.com offer email where NS quit without warning long after the page had rendered. As I hadn't seen any other mentions I haven't reported it up to now. Will grab a log next time it happens. Just tried loading the news.bbc.co.uk page and running a mail fetch (Netfetch/Hermes) and got a Netsurf error followed by quit. I've got a 50K zip file of the log if wanted. In the instances above I rarely get an error box, just a sudden quit from the iconbar. -- Grahame Parish
Re: Fatal error when page render clashes with a mail/news fetch
In article <52251f6554j...@jaharrison.me.uk>, John Harrison wrote: > Do you specifically mean rendering, as opposed to downloading? The > pages I tried took a few seconds, but didn't have a long rendering > pause after getting the data. Difficult to say - one starts off the NetSurf fetch, then forces a mail/news fetch as soon as possible, the mail fetch status opens, and then the error occurs. Its not obvious at what point NetSurf has got to. The test I did just now with a mail fetch caused NetSurf to vanish, rather than raise an error box. Even the NS log files show different errors, e.g. segmentation fault in one, illegal instruction in another. I guess I should just send in the log files and let the experts decide. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Fatal error when page render clashes with a mail/news fetch
> Has anyone else noticed that if a mail fetch initiates while NetSurf > is rendering a page, then NS exits with a fatal error? I just did a manually initiated mail fetch while NetSurf was loading a page, with no adverse effect. (r13065) Do you specifically mean rendering, as opposed to downloading? The pages I tried took a few seconds, but didn't have a long rendering pause after getting the data. Regards -- John Harrison Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Re: Fatal error when page render clashes with a mail/news fetch
On 20 Oct 2011 as I do recall, cj wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that if a mail fetch initiates while NetSurf > is rendering a page, then NS exits with a fatal error? > > Before submitting a report, it would be interesting to know whether > anyone else has experienced this. > [snip] Quick test here using a known slow-to-render site doesn't show up any error - but then that could be a 'not always' case. What I've observed has been fatal errors reported from Netsurf while Firefox is rendering a page, resulting in both apps quitting the iconbar (and sometimes FileCore in Use errors). I've always assumed this was actually an error from Firefox being misallocated by the Wimp due to the extreme level of emulation which is going on, since it only seems to happen to Netsurf when Firefox crashes - but it could be related to your observations. -- Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie == The saddest words in the English language are 'Too' and 'late'
Fatal error when page render clashes with a mail/news fetch
Has anyone else noticed that if a mail fetch initiates while NetSurf is rendering a page, then NS exits with a fatal error? Before submitting a report, it would be interesting to know whether anyone else has experienced this. It has done it several times here over the past few weeks(?), but has taken me a while to realise the connection. I have now tried fetching a web page and then forcing a mail fetch - it gives the error sometimes - it may depend on exactly where NS has reached in the rendering when the mail fetch starts and whether the page to be rendered is already in the cache or not. Forcing a news/rss fetch while NS was rendering a page caused NetSurf to just vanish from the iconbar, with no error message. The pages used for the test were ROOL pages. I did these tests with r13071, but the errors have also occurred with earlier releases. Machine is an Iyonix with RISC OS 5.17. Mail/news software is Netfetch with Hermes and NewsHound. -- Chris Johnson
List Focus [Was Re: puzzling email]
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:57:21AM +0100, Vince M Hudd wrote: > Either way, this is now off-topic. Indeed it is. It was off topic about four mails in. Please don't sprawl your RISC OS discussions on this list. I'm sure there're places where you don't irritate many people while doing so. I've received complaints, so that thread stops now, or I start forcibly unsubscribing people. Keep the focus guys. Thanks, Daniel. -- Daniel Silverstone http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ PGP mail accepted and encouraged.Key Id: 3CCE BABE 206C 3B69
Re: puzzling email (getting OT)
On 20 Oct 2011 Brian Bailey wrote: > [snip] >> Anyway this is getting off-topic here; should it be continued on the >> MPro list? > Not really, Peter. Well, not yet anyway! For a start I don't use > MessengerPro. > I suspected I would get a response similar to yours. > The problem is that I frequently get messages that are treated by Pluto as > HTML attachments, plus graphics files also as attachments. Most of these > are dross and don't concern me too much, they just don't matter, but some > are commercially important and I should very much like to see them > rendered correctly when loaded into NetSurf, so it is functionally a cross > application problem, as well as a cross platform problem. > I got into a real tangle with a business person. Neither of us could > read/render correctly each others HTML files, sent to and from each other > via email, cross platform, and it mattered. The situation was extremely > frustrating and was never resolved. Tempers were starting to get a bit > frayed. Yes, as in the bit that is snipped, MPro seems to be able to reply to or forward HTML messages in a way that Windows users can read. It sounds as if this may be the deciding point. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: puzzling email (getting OT)
In article <5225151bf7bbai...@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey wrote: > I got into a real tangle with a business person. Neither of us > could read/render correctly each others HTML files, sent to and > from each other via email, cross platform, and it mattered. ... but this is still the province of the mail reader/sender software and not a browser problem (unless the html contains important content as javascript which isn't being rendered). -- Chris Johnson
Re: puzzling email
Brian Bailey wrote: > [snip] [...] > I see that you use [Messenger Pro] I use Messenger Pro for Windows, which is a different beast, so I'm afraid you'll have to ask someone else (and somewhere more appropriate) to find out how the RISC OS version handles HTML attachments. -- Soft Rock Software: http://www.softrock.co.uk Vince M Hudd: http://misc.vinceh.com/about-vinceh/ RISCOSitory: http://www.riscository.com
Re: puzzling email
lists wrote: > In article , >Vince M Hudd wrote: > > The bottom line, for users of Pluto, is that if you want to see attached > > images displayed in the HTML, you'll need to save and manually edit. > > (Remote images should be fine, of course). > I use !Pluto > I often receive attachments, usually jokes, where I see one attached file > with an HTML file type and a number of JPEGs, sometimes GIFFs. I > double-click on the HTML and a browser, Fresco of Netsurf, whichever has > been seen by the filer, loads and displays the HTML file with all the > images in the right place. No need for an intermediate save operation Okay. I'm sure it didn't do that when I was using it, so maybe that's been dealt with in an upgrade that came after I stopped. I'm not sure there were many, and I thought mainly bug fixes (the way I remember it working wasn't a bug, per se). Or maybe I'm just remembering wrongly. Either way, this is now off-topic. -- Soft Rock Software: http://www.softrock.co.uk Vince M Hudd: http://misc.vinceh.com/about-vinceh/ RISCOSitory: http://www.riscository.com
Re: puzzling email (getting OT)
[snip] > Anyway this is getting off-topic here; should it be continued on the > MPro list? Not really, Peter. Well, not yet anyway! For a start I don't use MessengerPro. I suspected I would get a response similar to yours. The problem is that I frequently get messages that are treated by Pluto as HTML attachments, plus graphics files also as attachments. Most of these are dross and don't concern me too much, they just don't matter, but some are commercially important and I should very much like to see them rendered correctly when loaded into NetSurf, so it is functionally a cross application problem, as well as a cross platform problem. I got into a real tangle with a business person. Neither of us could read/render correctly each others HTML files, sent to and from each other via email, cross platform, and it mattered. The situation was extremely frustrating and was never resolved. Tempers were starting to get a bit frayed. Regards Brian
Re: puzzling email
In article , Vince M Hudd wrote: > The bottom line, for users of Pluto, is that if you want to see attached > images displayed in the HTML, you'll need to save and manually edit. > (Remote images should be fine, of course). I use !Pluto I often receive attachments, usually jokes, where I see one attached file with an HTML file type and a number of JPEGs, sometimes GIFFs. I double-click on the HTML and a browser, Fresco of Netsurf, whichever has been seen by the filer, loads and displays the HTML file with all the images in the right place. No need for an intermediate save operation -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
Re: puzzling email (getting OT)
On 20 Oct 2011 Brian Bailey wrote: > [snip] >> It's a long time since I used Pluto, but my recollection is that it >> doesn't treat HTML attachments any differently to any other type of >> attachment: You double click on it, a temporary copy is saved and that's >> filer_run. >> It doesn't parse the HTML in any way to see if any other attached files >> are needed by it, so they aren't saved alongside it - and therefore, as >> you say, the images references aren't rewritten. >> The bottom line, for users of Pluto, is that if you want to see attached >> images displayed in the HTML, you'll need to save and manually edit. >> (Remote images should be fine, of course). > Vince, I should be glad of further clarification. My understanding is that > MessengerPro doesn't behave significantly differently from Pluto when it > comes to handling HTML, but maybe I'm out of date because MessengerPro has > been subject to further development whereas Pluto hasn't. I see that you > use the former and should be interested to learn if that too is subject to > the same problems the affect Pluto, please. It may well be crunch time for > me entailing a reluctant swap to MessengerPro. MPro show HTML e-mails as an attempt to render the HTML in the body of the message (usually quite a bit of a mess), with the HTML as an attachment. You can then click on the attachment to load it into a browser. It's a long time since I used Pluto, so I can't remember if it does that; I do remember control-G to load the HTML into the message window, and if MPro can do that, I haven't found out how. One thing that MPro does, and I don't think Pluto does, is that if you reply to or froward an HTML message, no matter if there are graphics as attachments as well as the HTML, the resulting message is received on the Dark Side as a standard HTML message. I haven't been able to check this myself, but I've never had the usual Windows-users' whinge that they can't read the message, as one gets when one replies bottom-posted :-) Anyway this is getting off-topic here; should it be continued on the MPro list? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: puzzling email
[snip] > It's a long time since I used Pluto, but my recollection is that it > doesn't treat HTML attachments any differently to any other type of > attachment: You double click on it, a temporary copy is saved and that's > filer_run. > It doesn't parse the HTML in any way to see if any other attached files > are needed by it, so they aren't saved alongside it - and therefore, as > you say, the images references aren't rewritten. > The bottom line, for users of Pluto, is that if you want to see attached > images displayed in the HTML, you'll need to save and manually edit. > (Remote images should be fine, of course). Vince, I should be glad of further clarification. My understanding is that MessengerPro doesn't behave significantly differently from Pluto when it comes to handling HTML, but maybe I'm out of date because MessengerPro has been subject to further development whereas Pluto hasn't. I see that you use the former and should be interested to learn if that too is subject to the same problems the affect Pluto, please. It may well be crunch time for me entailing a reluctant swap to MessengerPro. Brian
