Re: Page causes crash
On 30 Oct 2017, Chris Newman wrote: [snip] > Reminds me of "Tales of the Riverbank" or, maybe, The Wind in the Willows. The page loads ok with NS 4100, RO 6.20, RPCEmu. Tony
Re: KYP West
On 22 Mar 2017, Brian wrote: > This looks to a really interesting site URL? Tony
Re: Flickr
On 14 Nov 2015, John Williams wrote: > Attempting to view a photo of the PiTop at: > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/andymarks1970/22992712162/ > > does not render the photo, yet it has been pointed out to me that it > does work with NetSurf 3.1, and for me here with an old 3.0. > > 3.3 fails to render the image, as do later development versions NS 3.4 (Dev CI #3055) renders the image if JavaScript is disabled. Tony
Re: El Reg formats differently these days - why?
On 25 Aug 2015, Michael Drake wrote: > On 21/08/15 19:36, Dave Higton wrote: > > NS used to render The Register in three columns, like other > > browsers. Recently it renders with each line of three headings > > broken over two lines, with the additional oddity that some single > > items appear left justified and some appear centred. Go to > > http://www.theregister.co.uk and you'll see. > > They changed the way they did the layout, exposing a layout issue in > NetSurf. > > NetSurf CI builds from 2934 contain a fix. NetSurf #2935, jsoff or json, running on a RiscPC/RO 6.20, displays 3+1 columns, which agrees with the layout on Firefox 39, running on Win7. However, in NS the headline image is missing, and an inoperative vertical scroll bar (absent in FF) is drawn at the right of the page. Tony
Re: El Reg formats differently these days - why?
On 23 Aug 2015, Dave Higton wrote: [snip] > Still the same old three columns, and it does appear to be the desktop > site rather than a special mobile version. Here, using a smart phone, running Android 2.3.6 , a Google search for 'the register' leads to the mobile site http://m.theregister.co.uk . which is a single column layout. On the same device, http://www.theregister.co.uk displays a _four_ column layout, the same as that on a Win7 machine, running Firefox. On a RiscPC, NS #2817 jsoff also displays http://m.theregister.co.uk as a single column. On a RiscPC, NS #2817 jsoff displays http://www.theregister.co.uk as _three_ columns (not four, as FF). Tony
Re: Google
On 8 May 2015, george greenfield wrote: [snip] > So a temporary workaround might be to enable JS, hotlist all > regularly-visited/needed sites, then disable JS and avoid using the > search page entirely. How is it possible to transfer an address, from the Google search page, to the NetSurf hotlist, without actually visiting the site? Tony
Re: Google
On 8 May 2015, Andrew Pinder wrote: [snip] > Which version of NetSurf are we talking about here? I'm on 3.4 (Dev > CI #2771) on RO 5.22 and haven't seen any problems with Google. Try tuning off JavaScript. Tony
BBC News
According to http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-editors-32016166 published by the BBC, on 23 March 2015 Our new "responsive" design [of the BBC News website], which we've just launched for desktop computer, aims to make sure the site looks great whichever device or screen size you are on - mobile, tablet or desktop. However, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news , displayed by NetSurf #2655, on a RiscPC, seems to be a version for mobile, and looks far from 'great'. Do others see the same mess? Tony
Re: #2654
On 18 Mar 2015, David Pitt wrote: > Tony Moore, on 18 Mar, wrote: [snip] > > In RISC OS, if a directory is copied, its original datestamp is > > loat, however if a !Runimage is present then the application > > directory shows the datestamp of the !Runimage, thus preserving the > > datestamp of the original full-save. > > Is this with VRPC? No. Here, it's ok on RO 6.20 / RiscPC, also on RO 6.20 / RPCEmu / Win7. Tony
Re: #2654
On 18 Mar 2015, David Pitt wrote: > Rob Kendrick, on 18 Mar, wrote: [snip] > > Then this does sound like a bug or omission in HostFS, not NetSurf. > > It is not a NetSurf bug, it is just a helpful work around for foibles > elsewhere. [only just seen this thread] I was the OP of the feature request, and did explain the reasoning there. In RISC OS, if a directory is copied, its original datestamp is loat, however if a !Runimage is present then the application directory shows the datestamp of the !Runimage, thus preserving the datestamp of the original full-save. Thanks to Vincent for implementing the change, which works fine. Tony
Re: Disc cache updates
On 14 Mar 2015, Peter Young wrote: [snip] > Or you could use !Memphis. Application and source files are available at Malcolm Hussain-Gambles' http://www.paymentlabs.com/riscos/tutorials/memphis Tony
Re: Malformed site (partly OT).
On 20 Feb 2015, Peter Young wrote: > On 20 Feb 2015 Tony Moore wrote: [snip] > > Next time you see the duff screen, try launching the urls above. If > > there is no error, or time-out, it means that files are accessible, > > but that NetSurf gave up too soon. (Press f8 to see each file's > > content.) > > That's interesting, and indeed the site is misbehaving today. Loading > those three files and then refreshing the site corrects it, so it does > indeed seem that NetSurf is tripping over itself and failing to get > the CSS files. > > Is this worth a bug report? I think so. Using recent NetSurf builds, I've seen the same effect on other sites, so this may be an instance of a more general problem. Tony
Re: Malformed site (partly OT).
On 19 Feb 2015, Peter Young wrote: [snip] > Either works or doesn't work here for me, in a random fashion. Tony's > adjust-click on the reload button doesn't work, sadly. I did say 'may':) The site's css files are at http://www.mssociety.org.uk/sites/default/files/css/css_ae906705ee3398da03236704b02fa5cc.css http://www.mssociety.org.uk/sites/default/files/css/css_5109959e3208e96651a9e2f4eb04c72f.css http://www.mssociety.org.uk/sites/default/files/css/css_6caea41da8ff09b5b9fc4ee406a47fba.css Next time you see the duff screen, try launching the urls above. If there is no error, or time-out, it means that files are accessible, but that NetSurf gave up too soon. (Press f8 to see each file's content.) Tony
RE: Malformed site (partly OT).
On 19 Feb 2015, Dave Higton wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:01:50 GMT Peter Young wrote: > > I maintain the website of the local branch of the Multiple Sclerosis > > Society, at www.mssociety.org.uk/cheltenham (NB I am only > > responsible for the content, not the formatting). From time to time > > the site gets seriously malformed in RISC OS NetSurf, and then a few > > days later goes back to what is should be. Screenshots of this are > > at http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk/Chrome.jpg as it should be in > > Chrome on Windows and http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk/NetSurf.jpg as > > it was yesterday in NetSurf #2600, but it's back to how it should be > > this morning! Same NetSurf build. > > Isn't this what happens when a site doesn't respond quickly enough and > Netsurf times out getting later parts of the site? Netsurf has displayed the page without waiting for the css files to download. Adjust-clicking Netsurf's Reload button may fix it. Tony
Re: RISC OS experimental build with new compiler
On 16 Nov 2014, Rob Kendrick wrote: > I have built a copy of RISC OS NetSurf using a much newer version of > the compiler (GCCSDK's prerelease based on 4.7). If people could give > a few minutes to playing with it to give us some confidence of it > working, that'd be great. (Also any comments on performance > difference, better or worse, would be of interest.) I donwloaded 3.3 (Dev) EXPERIMENTAL on 16 November and have used it since then. So far, there has been one crash, which occurred after I had launched several urls from Google News. While I was reading one page it seems that another page,which was still loading,caused the crash. The log is at https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77062274/log.zip Since then, no problem. I've not noticed any performance difference as compared to the 'normal' 3.3 builds. RiscPC, RISC OS 6.20 Tony
Re: Error message about Possible Security Violation
On 14 Nov 2014, David Pitt wrote: > Cristopher Dewhurst, on 14 Nov, wrote: > > > When searching for vacancies on this website: [snip truncated url] > > (click on the "search" button") > > > > I get an error "A possible security violation has been detected on > > displaying this page". > > > > Anyone know what's going on? [snip] > The URL above has been wrapped and truncated, getting dropped 'p' back > gives a working URL on Safari and NetSurf #2321 on the Raspberry Pi. > > https://bamscli.webitrent.com/bamscli_web/wrd/run/ETREC105GF.open?WVID=09873000Jp True, but what of the 'security violation' error message? - which I also see here. Tony
Re: Maps
On 22 Oct 2014, Brian Jordan wrote: > In article , > Tony Moore wrote: > > [Snip] > > > Now that is really useful. Many thanks. > > > Searching for an explanation of the various parameters led me to > > https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/staticmaps/ This > > has a black background, but can be read easily in NetSurf, by > > pressing ctrl-a to select all. > > As you say, a most useful reference. Strangely I have no black > background problems here with build 3.3 (Dev CI #2193) if JavaScript > is disabled. If JS is enabled the page doesn't render at all. I've just checked again and, here too, there is no black background. Most odd - I couldn't have imagined it! Tony
Re: links no longer work
On 22 Oct 2014, Michael Drake wrote: > On 22/10/14 00:00, Tony Moore wrote: > > Using RiscPC, RO 6.20, NS #2190, the links no longer work [snip] > > Does anyone else see this bizarre problem? > > I'm guessing you have your own scale setting configured? Spot on! In NS choices, I have scale:120 . > Visit about:testament and if you have "user" in the "Provenance" > column for the scale setting, then you'll have some other value set. > The default is 100%. about:testament displays the following # Automatically generated by NetSurf build system # This is a tagged build of NetSurf # The tag used was 'jenkins-BUILD_JS=json,CC=gcc,TARGET=riscos, label=arm-unknown-riscos-2193' # This build carries the CI build number '2193' Built by (jenkins) from jenkins-BUILD_JS=json,CC=gcc,TARGET=riscos, label=arm-unknown-riscos-2193 at revision e329e3c03a4fe6d580dd933a412265cf19f45f63 on 22.10.2014 Built on cislave4 in /var/lib/jenkins/workspace/netsurf/BUILD_JS/ json/CC/gcc/TARGET/riscos/label/arm-unknown-riscos/ Working tree is not modified. I cannot see any "Provenance" column. > Anyway, assuming that non-standard scale configurations are the > problem, it should be fixed in the latest build. Yes, the problem has gone away! Many thanks for the prompt fix. Tony
Re: Maps
On 22 Oct 2014, Michael Drake wrote: > Since NetSurf doesn't have enough JavaScript support to use Google > Maps, I've added a simple front end to the Google Static Maps API. > > You can have a go with this if you visit: > >about:maps > > in the latest NetSurf development build. Now that is really useful. Many thanks. Searching for an explanation of the various parameters led me to https://developers.google.com/maps/documentation/staticmaps/ This has a black background, but can be read easily in NetSurf, by pressing ctrl-a to select all. Tony
Re: links no longer work
On 22 Oct 2014, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <68164b5a54.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, > Tony Moore wrote: > > Using RiscPC, RO 6.20, NS #2190, the links no longer work > > > To see this, load a page, eg > > file:///NetSurf:/Resources/en/welcome.html and hover the pointer > > over a link. The pointer remains a select-arrow and doesn't change > > to hand-pointing, as it should. Clicking on the link does nothing, > > and the status bar remains blank. > > > Moving the pointer around, shows that the active location for each > > link is displaced by about three lines above the link. > > > Does anyone else see this bizarre problem? > > Tony, the answer is no. > SARPC RO 6.20 and NetSurf #2190 > > Here the links all produce the hand pointer, and clicking on a few of > them at random, they all work and produce the required pages. Many thanks for the response. Here, NS #2136 behaves correctly, however NS #2190 doesn't. I think that the problem has something to do with the font size. In Choices > Fonts, the default, and minimum, font sizes are both 12 pt. file:///NetSurf:/Resources/en/welcome.html opens at 100% scale but the fonts, apart from the headline, are displayed at 14 pt, however it seems that the locations of the active areas may have been determined assuming a display 12 pt. This results in the active areas being displaced to the left, and upwards. Both displacements are proportional to the distance from the top-left corner of the page. Increasing the display scale to 110% causes the fonts to be displayed at 12 pt and the active areas then match the link locations. Reverting to 100% scale causes the fonts to become smaller than 12 pt, but the active areas still match the link locations. Other pages are also affected, but a workaround seems to be to increase /decrease the display scale. Tony
links no longer work
Using RiscPC, RO 6.20, NS #2190, the links no longer work To see this, load a page, eg file:///NetSurf:/Resources/en/welcome.html and hover the pointer over a link. The pointer remains a select-arrow and doesn't change to hand-pointing, as it should. Clicking on the link does nothing, and the status bar remains blank. Moving the pointer around, shows that the active location for each link is displaced by about three lines above the link. Does anyone else see this bizarre problem? Tony
Re:Latest version gives errors
On 7 Oct 2014, glavallin wrote: > Not sure how to use Reporter properly but I loaded it and set to > report errors and on running Netsurf 2134 03 -Oct-2014 gave the errors If 'Report Tasks start/end' was set, the error > Message:Internal error: branch through zero > 16:10:26:01 ** Error ** > Error : &8005 should have been preceded by a reference to NetSurf starting. Was that present? When the error is seen, click menu over the Reporter window and click 'Where'. This should say where the error occurred. In your original post, you noted that you saw a UnixHome error message. NetSurf doesn't use UnixHome so try removing it from Boot:Resources then re-boot the machine and re-start NetSurf. Any error? Tony
Re: crash during Wikipedia edit
On 4 Oct 2014, Steve Fryatt wrote: [snip] > I believe "RISC OS NetSurf crashes if a browser window is closed while > the page in it is still loading" is what's described as a "known > problem"... I've never seen that. NS 2134 RO 6.20 Tony
Re: Latest version gives errors
On 27 Sep 2014, glavallin wrote: > Reciently having major problems running the latest version of Netsurf > 27-Sep-2014 json-2125 Here, NS #2126 runs without problem on RiscPC, RO 6.20 > I keep on getting the error; > > RUN ADFS::HardDidc.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Unixhome.!Boot As far as I know, NetSurf doesn't use UnixHome, so it seems odd that you should see that error when starting NetSurf. Maybe run Reporter to see where the error comes from? Tony
Re: bug about SSL security certificate -- Mantis grrrr
On 25 Sep 2014, Rob Kendrick wrote: [snip] > ... somebody on netsurf-user will still end up asking why it refuses > "Net Surf Version Three small dot thing 2". A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. Douglas Adams Tony
Re: bug about SSL security certificate -- Mantis grrrr
On 25 Sep 2014, Jim Nagel wrote: > Tony Moore wrote on 25 Sep: > > 'Reported in CI build #' doesn't make it clear that the '#' should > > be omitted from the answer. If the '#' is included, Mantis posts an > > error. > > Is "robust" the right word when I say I think software should be > robust enough to anticipate such variations in user input and quietly > take the bits it wants. Tolerant? Tony
Re: bug about SSL security certificate -- Mantis grrrr
On 25 Sep 2014, Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 02:38:07PM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote: > > Jim Nagel wrote on 25 Sep: [snip] > > I had said Netsurf 3.2. > > Did you say "Netsurf 3.2" or "3.2" ? 'Product version' leads to a drop-down menu, which doesn't contain the latest version, ie 3.2 is present, but 3.3 is absent. It is thus not possible to enter the current version. Fortunately, Mantis doesn't seem to care about this, and the field can be left blank. 'Reported in CI build #' doesn't make it clear that the '#' should be omitted from the answer. If the '#' is included, Mantis posts an error. Tony
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 22 Sep 2014, Richard Porter wrote: > On 22 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote: [snip] > >Automatically select text in icons > > OFF If you set it to 'on', any existing text in the icon will be selected, ready to be overwritten by the pasted text. > >Insert Delete selection > > Insert: Clear selection, That will prevent the existing text being overwritten by the pasted text. I think that it needs to be 'Delete'. Tony
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 22 Sep 2014, Richard Porter wrote: > On 22 Sep 2014 Steve Fryatt wrote: [snip] > > What settings do you have on in the OS for cut and paste in writable > > icons? > > Where can I find those settings? In RO 6.20: Configure... > Windows > Windows > Text Enable text selection Automatically select text in icons Insert Delete selection Tony
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 21 Sep 2014, Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 21 Sep, Richard Porter wrote in message > <892ccc4a54.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>: > > On 21 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote: > > > On 21 Sep 2014, Richard Porter wrote: > > > > > > > The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are > > > > copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type > > > > to the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept > > > > plain text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This > > > > restriction seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating. > > > > > As said above, here there is _no_ problem in pasting the URL from > > > the clipboard (RO 6.20, NS 2107, SE 4.69). Which application are > > > you using to view the NS HTML source? > > > > Edit by default. I don't normally use StrongEd. I had a look at the > > StrongHelp for StrongEd and eventually found ctrl-shift-C and > > ctrl-shift-V, but it doesn't give any explanation of what they do. I > > assume it means copy/paste forcing type to text. > > No, Ctrl-Shift-C and Ctrl-Shift-V just copy and paste on the Global > Clipboard. According to the Quick Reference page in the StrongED StrongHelp manual: cs-C Copy block to clipboard cs-V Paste clipboard to text I don't know whether 'to text' means 'to the cursor', or if it implies conversion to text before pasting. Tony
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 21 Sep 2014, Richard Porter wrote: > On 20 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote: > > On 20 Sep 2014, Richard Porter wrote: > > > > One really annoying feature of NetSurf (RO front end) is that it > > > won't let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. ... > > > It _isn't_ necessary, when using StongED to view the HTML source. > > Press f8 to view the source, select the URL, press ctrl-shft-c to > > copy it to the clipboard, click in the NS URL field (or Open URL > > window), press ctrl-v to paste the URL. Perhaps I've misunderstood > > the problem? > > The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are > copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type to > the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept plain > text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This restriction > seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating. As said above, here there is _no_ problem in pasting the URL from the clipboard (RO 6.20, NS 2107, SE 4.69). Which application are you using to view the NS HTML source? Tony
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 20 Sep 2014, Richard Porter wrote: > One really annoying feature of NetSurf (RO front end) is that it won't > let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. This is > something I regularly want to do when, for example, there's a bit of > Javascript that redirects me to a different page. I have to view the > source and then change the filetype to Text before copying the new URL > to the clipboard. This shouldn't be necessary. It _isn't_ necessary, when using StongED to view the HTML source. Press f8 to view the source, select the URL, press ctrl-shft-c to copy it to the clipboard, click in the NS URL field (or Open URL window), press ctrl-v to paste the URL. Perhaps I've misunderstood the problem? Tony
Re: Avaaz fails to open
On 14 Sep 2014, Peter Young wrote: > On 14 Sep 2014 Dave Higton wrote: > > In message <54471a2790ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk> > > cj wrote: > > > In article <5446f4c9decvj...@waitrose.com>, > > > Chris Newman wrote: > > > > > > > https://secure.avaaz.org/en/100_clean_final/?blWdqbb&signup=1&cl=58126 > > > > 35881&v=45416 > > > > > > > fails to open in 3.3 (#2106), or 3.2 but does open in 2.9. > > > > albeit with lots of warnings about safety certificates. > > > > > > Seems to load ok here using #2107, also did earlier with #2105. > > > Fails for me here with 2107 (Iyonix, RO 5.20); lots of hour glasses, > > nothing gets written to the window within any reasonable time. And, > > of course, if I just shut the window, NS crashes. Every time. (But > > the latter is a long standing bug in the RO version.) > > Same here, ARMini, RISC OS 5.19, NetSurf Dev 2017. Try disabling JavaScript, in NS Choices > Content. Tony
Re: Avaaz fails to open
On 14 Sep 2014, Chris Newman wrote: > In article , > Tony Moore wrote: > > On 14 Sep 2014, Chris Newman wrote: > > > > https://secure.avaaz.org/en/100_clean_final/?blWdqbb&signup=1&cl=5812635881&v=45416 > > > > > > fails to open in 3.3 (#2106), or 3.2 but does open in 2.9. albeit > > > with lots of warnings about safety certificates. > > > The link opens here with NS #2107 (and #2078) on RiscPC, RO 6.20. > > However the 'Find an event' button doesn't work, because it needs JS > > at a level not yet supported by NS. > > Perhaps it's something to do with Adjust. Other flavours of RiscOS > seem to work. Here the link does open with RO 4.39, running on RPCEmu. Tony
Re: Avaaz fails to open
On 14 Sep 2014, Chris Newman wrote: > https://secure.avaaz.org/en/100_clean_final/?blWdqbb&signup=1&cl=5812635881&v=45416 > > fails to open in 3.3 (#2106), or 3.2 but does open in 2.9. albeit > with lots of warnings about safety certificates. The link opens here with NS #2107 (and #2078) on RiscPC, RO 6.20. However the 'Find an event' button doesn't work, because it needs JS at a level not yet supported by NS. [snip] > I baulk at the idea of sending a bug report as the process seems so > arcane. No hassle at http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/ . Create an account, if you don't have one, then click on 'Report Issue'. In the 'Reported in CI build #' field, enter the number without the '#', otherwise a posting error will occur. After completing the form, click _adjust_ on 'Submit Report' so that, if a posting error does occur, you are able to return to the completed form, without re-typing the data. Tony
Re: Disc cache worth it?
On 24 Jun 2014, David Pitt wrote: [snip] > !Cache on a RamDisc looks much more promising. This is much better, > the improvement is clear, and the machine is not taken over as the > cache is written. NetSurf already has a Memory Cache. For the Disc Cache to serve any useful purpose, it needs to be written to a non-volatile medium. Tony
Re: Disc cache worth it?
On 23 Jun 2014, Rob Kendrick wrote: [snip] > On RISC OS, the disc cache *may* only be a win for people on slow > connections. Using RISC OS on a RiscPC, with a slow internet connection, and Cache enabled, I found that launching half a dozen stories from Google News caused the machine to be virtually unusable for half an hour, or more. Judging by the hard-drive activity light, Cache writes to disc on the fly. However, if it were to postpone writing until NetSurf was quit, the delay would occur then. Either way, inconvenient. Tony
Re: Persistant disc cache
On 5 Jun 2014, cj wrote: > In article , > Tony Moore wrote: > > Here, I can't see any NetSurf directory, in Resources.!Cache > > Have you Boot-Installed the latest !Boot in the NetSurf download? Yes. The problem was that. although installed in the default Resources, Cache was being 'seen' after NetSurf, which was in 'Look at'. I've now moved Cache out of Resources, and set it to be 'seen' in 'Look at' before NetSurf. All is now well. Tony
Re: Persistant disc cache
On 5 Jun 2014, Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 10:32:26PM +0000, Tony Moore wrote: > > Previous versions of NetSurf create a directory www.NetSurf.Cache in > > Scrap. NetSurf #1956 creates www.NetSurf.Misc , but not Cache. I > > assumed that 'Misc' had replaced 'Cache'. If not, what is 'Misc'? > > NetSurf for RISC OS long long ago had a hack of a cache for images only. > This was removed many years ago. NS #1819 creates www.NetSurf.Cache when it is started. > I guess the Misc folder is for miscellany, but searching for "Misc" in > the entire source code reveals nothing relevant at all. I have no > idea what it's for. NS #1888 (and higher) creates www.NetSurf.Misc when it is started. > > > as I said in the previous mail we are using !Cache (shipped in the > > > !Boot of the CI builds ready for merge) to store this persistent > > > data. > > > > So the data should be stored in Resources.!Cache.Caches ? > > You can put it wherever you like, just as long as it is "seen" by the > Filer before NetSurf is launched. Having moved Cache out of Resources, and set it to be 'seen' before NetSurf, !Cache.Caches.Single.NetSurf has now been created, and data is being written to it. I think that previously, when Cache was in the default Resources, it was being 'seen' after NetSurf, which was in 'Look at'. They are now both in 'Look at', Cache well before NetSurf. Thanks for your help. Tony
Re: Persistant disc cache
On 5 Jun 2014, cj wrote: > In article <4f532c1354.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, > Tony Moore wrote: [snip] > Here it looks like !Cache (in Resources) has now got a lot of data in > it (in NetSurf directory) Here, I can't see any NetSurf directory, in Resources.!Cache Tony
Re: Persistant disc cache
On 5 Jun 2014, Vincent Sanders wrote: > On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 08:34:08PM +0000, Tony Moore wrote: [snip] > > Does that mean disc_cache_size:1073741824 ? > > yes thats the default setting, Thanks. > as usual if the setting is the default value it will not appear in the > user Choices file. After adding disc_cache_size:1073741824 to the Choices file, then starting and quitting NetSurf, the line persists in the Choices file. This led me to think that the default value, in bytes, was not correct. > > The disc cache now seems to be named 'Misc'? Is there any way of > > moving it out of !Scrap? > > I have no idea to what you are referring, Previous versions of NetSurf create a directory www.NetSurf.Cache in Scrap. NetSurf #1956 creates www.NetSurf.Misc , but not Cache. I assumed that 'Misc' had replaced 'Cache'. If not, what is 'Misc'? > as I said in the previous mail we are using !Cache (shipped in the > !Boot of the CI builds ready for merge) to store this persistent data. So the data should be stored in Resources.!Cache.Caches ? Using RO 6.20 Caches contains Single.MimeMan.MimeBase and Single.MimeMan.PluginMime. Both of these files are in SQLite format, but their datestamps have not changed since installing NS #1956 several hours ago. I can't see where cached data is being stored and, since the times for loading, and re-loading a complex page, after quitting and re-starting NS, are not noticably different, I wonder if the disc cache is working. How can I tell? > This is because !Scrap is for transient data and many users do not > store it on persistent storage. The cache must be persistent between > runs of the browser to be useful. Some users prefer not to store large persistent data in !Boot, eg the default location for Newsdir is in Resouces, but it can be re-located to the hard drive, outside !Boot. Tony
Re: Persistant disc cache
On 5 Jun 2014, Vincent Sanders wrote: > I am pleased to be able to announce that I have enabled the persistent > source object cache on the RISC OS build. That's good news. Many thanks. [snip] > The amount of disc used for this cache is selected using the > disc_cache_size option. The RISC OS frontend does not currently have a > user interface to set this value. The cache value is number of bytes > to use on disc and a value of 0 will disable the cache completely. The > default value is set to a gigabyte. Does that mean disc_cache_size:1073741824 ? The disc cache now seems to be named 'Misc'? Is there any way of moving it out of !Scrap? Tony
Re: Full save not working
On 18 May 2014, Tony Moore wrote: > On 16 May 2014, Tony Moore wrote: > > On 16 May 2014, Brian Jordan wrote: > > > > > I just noticed that full saves of pages doesn't work in v1885, only > > > !Run, !Sprites and URL files are saved and the accompanying warning > > > message reads "The file could not be saved due to an error: Is a > > > directory". A quick look back through the versions I have available > > > suggests this was introduced between v1841 and v1862. I'll have a > > > couple more glasses and try to report it on the tracker. > > > > I've done that already > > http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2126 > > Now fixed. Many thanks to Vincent Sanders Sorry, Brian. I didn't see your post before I replied. Tony
Re: Full save not working
On 16 May 2014, Tony Moore wrote: > On 16 May 2014, Brian Jordan wrote: > > > I just noticed that full saves of pages doesn't work in v1885 [snip] > http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2126 Now fixed. Many thanks to Vincent Sanders. Tony
Re: Full save not working
On 16 May 2014, Brian Jordan wrote: > I just noticed that full saves of pages doesn't work in v1885, only > !Run, !Sprites and URL files are saved and the accompanying warning > message reads "The file could not be saved due to an error: Is a > directory". A quick look back through the versions I have available > suggests this was introduced between v1841 and v1862. I'll have a > couple more glasses and try to report it on the tracker. I've done that already http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2126 Tony
Re: Google search problem
On 30 Apr 2014, Graham Pickles wrote: > Recently I have had problem on my laptop using Google to search for > items. The problem appears to be intermittent. I enter the search > criteria into Google and Netsurf indicates 'Fetching, Fetching, > Processing' but goes no further (i.e. message remains and list of > sites does not appear). I've never seen that with Google search, but it can happen with other sites, if JavaScript is enabled, causing NetSurf to bite off more than it can chew. Try Choices... > Content > tick 'Disable JavaScript' Tony
mantis not updated for 3.1
On http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/bug_report_page.php the drop- down menu, attached to the 'Product Version' field, needs to be updated to include 3.1 Tony
Re: Google Images search not working
On 24 Feb 2014, John Rickman Iyonix wrote: > For the past several years I have used NetSurf for finding images on > the web via Google Images search. > > Google puts up a page of images for the search term. Then a click on > an image used to bring up a web page with an option to see the impage > full size. This no longer seems to work with NetSurf. Clicking on an image now leads to the web-page containing the image. As you say, the option of displaying the full-size image, without visiting the host web-page, is no longer available. > The way that Google presents the image page has changed. It is still > usable with Chrome on Linux. ... and with Firefox on Windows. > Can anyone confirm this change and better still suggest how I can > continue to use NetSurf for image searching? Netsurf _can_ still be used for image-search, it's just a little more tedious in having to retrieve the image from its host web-page. Tony
Re: StreetMap
On 4 Feb 2014, Rev Dr Alan Leighton wrote: [snip] > All you have to do is put a Directory , call it StreetMap, on the HD > and drag an email into it. Then all one has to do is open the > Directory click on the emailbingo! ... the email loads into MPro - but what has that to do with StreetMap? Sorry to be so dense :) Tony
Re: StreetMap
On 3 Feb 2014, Rev Dr Alan Leighton wrote: > In message > Tony Moore wrote: > > On 3 Feb 2014, John Williams wrote: > > > > Am I imagining it, or has StreetMap (without JS) decided to load > > > all elements of the map each time? If so, well done! > > > You're right. Using NS 1602, > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newdefaulte2.htm now renders both 3x3 and > > 5x5 layouts, correctly. > > Hi Tony, > > How do you get the program to load (sit) on the HD. It is great! Alan, sorry, I don't understand the question. NS loads the web-page and you enter the postcode, or whatever, then click 'Search'. You can then save the map segments, but there is no program to download to the HD. Tony
Re: StreetMap
On 3 Feb 2014, Peter Young wrote: > On 3 Feb 2014 Tony Moore wrote: > > On 3 Feb 2014, John Williams wrote: > > > > Am I imagining it, or has StreetMap (without JS) decided to load > > > all elements of the map each time? If so, well done! > > > You're right. Using NS 1602, > > http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newdefaulte2.htm now renders both 3x3 and > > 5x5 layouts, correctly. > > But only with JavaScript off, as John says. Exactly (the main site http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ requires JavaScript). John was commenting that StreetMap now renders _all_ the map segments, whereas recently it had developed a bug which caused several segments to be missing, from each page. Tony
Re: StreetMap
On 3 Feb 2014, John Williams wrote: > Am I imagining it, or has StreetMap (without JS) decided to load all > elements of the map each time? If so, well done! You're right. Using NS 1602, http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newdefaulte2.htm now renders both 3x3 and 5x5 layouts, correctly. Tony
Re: Fanfiction.net login
On 14 Nov 2013, Harriet Bazley wrote: > On 14 Nov 2013 as I do recall, Tony Moore wrote: [snip] > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77062274/fanfiction.zip contains a > > full-save of the page, and a draw-file showing the entire display. > > If I doubleclick on your full-save, I see the same as David's > screenshot above Is it possible that something has stuck in your NS Cache? Try hiding !Boot.Resources.!Scrap.ScrapDirs.ScrapDir.WWW.NetSurf.Cache > If I enable JavaScript, the only difference in page layout is that I > get a raw to the Sign Up page rendered at the top of the > screen, instead of the actual link. Here, json/jsoff lead to identical page layouts, with the actual link. Tony
Re: Fanfiction.net login
On 14 Nov 2013, David Pitt wrote: > In message > Tony Moore wrote: [snip] > > For you, #1447 doesn't show the captcha, but for me it does (see > > link). I wonder what could explain the difference. Here #1447 runs > > on RO 5.20 / RPCEmu 0.8.11 / Win7. Your headers suggest that you are > > using a Mac. > > I have tried on this Raspberry Pi OS5.21, my Iyonix with both OS5.20 & > 5.21 and even VRPC OS4.39, that captcha remains elusive. > > This is what I see :- > > http://www.pittdj.co.uk/temp/login.jpg > > The alignment of the input boxes is different. > > How very odd! I'm beginning to wonder if we're being served the same code. The screen grab which I posted before, showed only the lower end of a long page. I see, from your screen grab, that the blue header is immediately above the log-in section, whereas on mine there are many lines, of what I took to be incorrectly displayed js menus, between the blue header and the log-in section. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77062274/fanfiction.zip contains a full-save of the page, and a draw-file showing the entire display. Tony
Re: Fanfiction.net login
On 13 Nov 2013, David Pitt wrote: > Tony Moore, on 13 Nov, wrote: > > On 12 Nov 2013, Harriet Bazley > > wrote: > > > On 12 Nov 2013 as I do recall, Tony Moore wrote: [snip] > > > > The text captcha displays correctly here: RO 5.20, NS 1447, js > > > > disabled. > > > > > > I've just downloaded NS 1447 but am not seeing any captcha at all > > > on that page. It reads "FanFiction Login with..." followed by > > > various social media icons, then "or" followed by three blank text > > > entry icons - which, from experiment, are email-address, password > > > and required captcha text - followed by a "login" button. > > > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77062274/fanfiction.jpg shows what I see > > here. > > NetSurfs 1.0 and 2.1 rendered the captcha here, #1447 doesn't. For you, #1447 doesn't show the captcha, but for me it does (see link). I wonder what could explain the difference. Here #1447 runs on RO 5.20 / RPCEmu 0.8.11 / Win7. Your headers suggest that you are using a Mac. Tony
Re: Fanfiction.net login
On 12 Nov 2013, Harriet Bazley wrote: > On 12 Nov 2013 as I do recall, Tony Moore wrote: > > [snip] > > > Harriet didn't say which version of NS she was using, and I assumed > > that she was talking about a change at > > https://www.fanfiction.net/login.php > > I was, yes. > > > 'As of today' there is no build of NS yet, but > > NetSurf-gcc-json-1447, 11-Nov-2013 14:36 also displays the captcha. > > For the avoidance of doubt: > > > > The text captcha displays correctly here: RO 5.20, NS 1447, js > > disabled. > > I've just downloaded NS 1447 but am not seeing any captcha at all on > that page. It reads "FanFiction Login with..." followed by various > social media icons, then "or" followed by three blank text entry icons > - which, from experiment, are email-address, password and required > captcha text - followed by a "login" button. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77062274/fanfiction.jpg shows what I see here. Tony
Re: Fanfiction.net login
On 12 Nov 2013, John Williams wrote: > In article , > Tony Moore wrote: > > On 12 Nov 2013, Harriet Bazley > > wrote: > > > > As of today the 'captcha' on the fanfiction.net log-in page is no > > > longer displaying ... > > [Snip] > > > The text captcha displays correctly here: RO 5.20, NS 1417, js > > disabled. > > But that's from at least last month, and Harriet did say 'As of > today'. Harriet didn't say which version of NS she was using, and I assumed that she was talking about a change at https://www.fanfiction.net/login.php 'As of today' there is no build of NS yet, but NetSurf-gcc-json-1447, 11-Nov-2013 14:36 also displays the captcha. For the avoidance of doubt: The text captcha displays correctly here: RO 5.20, NS 1447, js disabled. Tony
Re: Fanfiction.net login
On 12 Nov 2013, Harriet Bazley wrote: > As of today the 'captcha' on the fanfiction.net log-in page is no > longer displaying - the only way I have found to log in now is to view > the page source and double-click on the hidden link to the audio file > alternative. https://www.fanfiction.net/login.php The text captcha displays correctly here: RO 5.20, NS 1417, js disabled. Tony
Re: Changes to the RISC OS GUI in #1342
On 14 Sep 2013, Bernard Boase wrote: [snip] > ... moving the mouse pointer around in a still produces > non-display of characters to the left &/or right of the pointer during > editing, just as it did before #1342. Try setting scale view to 100% Tony
Re: quitting netsurf
On 15 May 2013, Michael Drake wrote: > In article <1e7e5d4c53.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>, > Tony Moore wrote: > > > #1172 loads in 16 secs, and quits in 26 secs. The closing log is > > here https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77062274/Log_1172 > > Thanks, please try #1175. #1175 loads in 16 secs, and quits in 3 secs (even after visiting several websites). Problem solved - many thanks. Tony
Re: quitting netsurf
On 15 May 2013, Tony Moore wrote: [snip] > #1172 loads in 16 secs, and quits in 26 secs. The closing log is here > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77062274/Log_1172 Another problem with #1172 (and #1125): #417 takes 6 secs to full-save http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page , whereas #1172 takes 33 secs. Could this be related to the delayed quit? Tony
Re: quitting netsurf
On 15 May 2013, Daniel Silverstone wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 01:09:47PM +0000, Tony Moore wrote: > > > > Probably not. Is your hotlist in the least bit private? If it > > > does not contain private URLs, having a copy (sent directly to me > > > or another developer rather than in the open) would be very useful > > > for diagnosing what it causing the slowness. > > > No problem. I've sent you a copy, off-list. > > Irritatingly this hotlist takes 4ms to save on my laptop (I don't have > a RISC OS box) and I can't spot anything obvious in the hotlist save > path. I've annotated the hotlist save path with some logging and > would appreciate it if you would do the trivial test of loading NS and > quitting it, and then emailing me the log file. Obviously you should > use the latest CI build of NetSurf (#1172 or later). #1172 loads in 16 secs, and quits in 26 secs. The closing log is here https://dl.dropbox.com/u/77062274/Log_1172 Tony
Re: quitting netsurf
On 15 May 2013, Daniel Silverstone wrote: > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:58:03AM +0000, Tony Moore wrote: > > The hotlist file size is 93KB, which I would not have thought to be > > extraordinarily large, and, anyway, #417 manages to write it in 3 > > seconds, when quitting, but #1125 takes an order of magnitude > > longer. > > Very interesting. > > > Would logs relating to this different behaviour be useful? > > Probably not. Is your hotlist in the least bit private? If it does > not contain private URLs, having a copy (sent directly to me or > another developer rather than in the open) would be very useful for > diagnosing what it causing the slowness. No problem. I've sent you a copy, off-list. Tony
Re: quitting netsurf
On 14 May 2013, Daniel Silverstone wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 05:36:29PM +0000, Tony Moore wrote: > > For each result below, NS was quit, the Log file and Cache deleted, > > NS was loaded, and then quit, without displaying any web pages > > It would be helpful if, in each case, the resultant log file was named > appropriately and put in a folder. > > > For each result below, NS was quit, the Log file and Cache deleted, > > NS was loaded, used to display three web pages. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/ , http://www.theregister.co.uk/ , > > http://www.iconbar.com/ , and then quit > > Ditto. > > And then, that whole folder could be zipped up and popped as an > attachment to a bug report on our Sourceforge project, detailing your > notes about timings and reproduction techniques. > > It would also help if you ran with nothing which would differ from a > totally fresh install. i.e. move your choices, hotlist, urldb etc out > of the way. After hiding choices and hotlist (in addition to the other files noted) the problem goes away. For the record: For each result below, NS was quit, the Log, Cache, Cookies, Hotlist and URL files were deleted, NS was loaded, and then quit, without displaying any web pages version load quitlog secsec KB #417 9 1 14 v3.0 9 1 15 #1125 json 9 1 14 For each result below, NS was quit, the Log, Cache, Cookies, Hotlist and URL files were deleted, NS was loaded, used to display three web pages. http://news.bbc.co.uk/ , http://www.theregister.co.uk/ , http://www.iconbar.com/ , and then quit version load quitlog secsec KB #417 9 1173 v3.0 9 1421 #1125 json 9 1484 I have the relevant logs but, since they record apparently normal behaviour, there seems little point in posting them to Sourceforge. Reinstating my choices file makes little difference to the results, above, but reinstating the hotlist file, causes #1125 quitting to be greatly delayed, as noted in a previous post. The hotlist file size is 93KB, which I would not have thought to be extraordinarily large, and, anyway, #417 manages to write it in 3 seconds, when quitting, but #1125 takes an order of magnitude longer. Would logs relating to this different behaviour be useful? Tony
Re: techradar fails to display
On 10 May 2013, Tony Moore wrote: > In the ROOL Forum, Keith Dunlop pointed to > http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/raspberry-pi-operating-systems-5-reviewed-and-rated-1147941 > which is an interesting review of operating system distros for the RPi. > > Using NS #1125, with JS turned off, the page displays without problem. > However, if JS is turned on, loading never completes, and the NS > display remains blank. > > Does this require a bug-report? No response, so I'll assume not. Tony
quitting netsurf
For recent versions of NS, as compared with version #417 (9 Oct 2012), the load times are similar, but the quit times are between ten and twenty times greater. For each result below, NS was quit, the Log file and Cache deleted, NS was loaded, and then quit, without displaying any web pages version load quitlog secsec KB #417 14 3 14 v3.0 16 31 14 #1125 jsoff16 31 14 For each result below, NS was quit, the Log file and Cache deleted, NS was loaded, used to display three web pages. http://news.bbc.co.uk/ , http://www.theregister.co.uk/ , http://www.iconbar.com/ , and then quit version load quitlog secsec KB #417 14 3164 v3.0 16 51412 #1125 jsoff16 59411 All tests were made on a RiscPC, running RO 6.20. Since the protracted quit can be a nuisance, when wanting to shut down the machine in a hurry, is there any option which can reduce this time? Tony
techradar fails to display
In the ROOL Forum, Keith Dunlop pointed to http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/raspberry-pi-operating-systems-5-reviewed-and-rated-1147941 which is an interesting review of operating system distros for the RPi. Using NS #1125, with JS turned off, the page displays without problem. However, if JS is turned on, loading never completes, and the NS display remains blank. Does this require a bug-report? Tony
Re: Orpheus Home Page
On 6 May 2013, "Gerald Dodson" wrote: > The misunderstanding seems to persist: NS 3.0 does have JS built in. Chris Young, a NetSurf Developer, thinks that it is 'highly likely' that NetSurf 3.0 was compiled without JS support. Please see message <51815842.10...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk> The !RunImage size in NetSurf 3.0 is 3MB, which is the same as that of a jsoff build. The !RunImage size in a json build is 5MB. Tony
Re: Orpheus Home page
On 6 May 2013, Andrew Pinder wrote: > In message <3c58a64753.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk> > on 6 May 2013 Tony Moore wrote: >> > > On 1 May 2013, Chris Young > > > wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > > I think it is highly likely that NetSurf 3.0 has been built > > > > without JavaScript support. > > > At present, both > > http://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/1847 and the > > ChangeLog assert that NetSurf 3.0 offers 'early and primitive > > JavaScript support'. However, it would appear that this is untrue. > > > Is it intended to rebuild NetSurf 3.0 and/or alter the ChangeLog so > > that they are mutually consistent? > > If you go to http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/riscos/ you will > find that the first half of the listed builds are "-jsoff-" and the > second half are "-json-" I'm aware of that - thank you. The point is that some people choose to use the stable releases, instead of the development builds. This discussion had its origin in a post to csa.apps by someone who had downloaded NetSurf 3.0 and was 'having some difficulty with its JS'. Tony
Re: Orpheus Home page
> On 1 May 2013, Chris Young > wrote: [snip] > > I think it is highly likely that NetSurf 3.0 has been built without > > JavaScript support. At present, both http://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/1/topics/1847 and the ChangeLog assert that NetSurf 3.0 offers 'early and primitive JavaScript support'. However, it would appear that this is untrue. Is it intended to rebuild NetSurf 3.0 and/or alter the ChangeLog so that they are mutually consistent? Tony
Re: Orpheus Home page
On 1 May 2013, Chris Young wrote: > On 01/05/13 17:45, Tony Moore wrote: > > On 1 May 2013, Daniel Silverstone > > wrote: > > > The JS support in the current builds is very likely to be > > > identical to the 3.0 build. > > > > http://javatester.org/javascript.html responds to NS 3.0 with a > > blank Test Results window, whereas the response to the current 3.1 > > build is verbose. I took this to indicate JS progress. I'm sorry if > > the assumtion was not correct. > > I think it is highly likely that NetSurf 3.0 has been built without > JavaScript support. [snip] > The only bug here is that the "Disable JavaScript" choices option > should not be available in builds that do not support JavaScript. In that case, the ChangeLog, which says Added early and primitive JavaScript support. (Disabled by default.) needs to be changed. Tony
Re: Orpheus Home page
On 1 May 2013, John-Mark Bell wrote: > On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 04:45:29PM +0000, Tony Moore wrote: > > On 1 May 2013, Daniel Silverstone > > wrote: > > > > > As for the 'choices bug' we have no idea what's going on there. > > > Again I don't think we've touched anything in that yet. > > > > There has been a discussion of the problem on csa.apps, several > > people having noticed the same effect. > > Issues with NetSurf should be reported here or on the bug tracker. See message , earlier today, I haven't reported it to the bug tracker because the problem affects only 3.0 so, in the current builds, there is nothing to fix. Tony
Re: Orpheus Home page
On 1 May 2013, Daniel Silverstone wrote: > On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 03:54:40PM +0000, Tony Moore wrote: > > If JS is important to you I would suggest downloading the latest > > development build from http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/riscos/ > > . (choose json at the bottom of the page). The JS choices bug is > > absent, and the JS support itself is more advanced than that in NS > > 3.0. > > The JS support in the current builds is very likely to be identical to > the 3.0 build. http://javatester.org/javascript.html responds to NS 3.0 with a blank Test Results window, whereas the response to the current 3.1 build is verbose. I took this to indicate JS progress. I'm sorry if the assumtion was not correct. > As for the 'choices bug' we have no idea what's going on there. Again > I don't think we've touched anything in that yet. There has been a discussion of the problem on csa.apps, several people having noticed the same effect. Tony
Re: Orpheus Home page
On 1 May 2013, "Learning Partners" wrote: > On Wed, 1 May, 2013 1:01 pm, Tony Moore wrote: [snip] > > JS setting in Choices to be lost when NS is quit/re-started. This > > means that it is necessary to re-set 'Disable JavaScript' when NS > > 3.0 is run. > > Yes am doing that. My problem is with Outlook Web Access where > javascript:SetCmd(CmdSend);: Send does not seem to be supported yet. > Still I realise this is early days and it is a miracle anyway that I > can read Outlook Web Access and Sharepoint pages in RISC OS! If JS is important to you I would suggest downloading the latest development build from http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/riscos/ . (choose json at the bottom of the page). The JS choices bug is absent, and the JS support itself is more advanced than that in NS 3.0. If you wish to keep up to date with the latest development build, Frank de Bruijn's Fetch_NS is very useful http://aconet.org/tools/ Tony
Re: Orpheus Home page
On 1 May 2013, Peter Young wrote: > On 1 May 2013 "Learning Partners" wrote: [snip] > > Can't get javascript to work at all though (ticked on in choices > > but) > > Seems to work here. Have you made sure that you have a JavaScript > version? :-) > > http://javatester.org/javascript.html will tell you whether JavaScript > is working or not. Here I see: > > JavaScript IS WORKING in your web browser > > Your web browser supports JavaScript version 2.2 > > Every web browser identifies itself to websites with a character > string called the "user agent". The User Agent string for your web > browser is: > > NetSurf/3.0 (RISC OS) John mentions the 'new release' which presumably means NS 3.0. Although the javatester response above mentions NetSurf/3.0, the actual response when using the NS 3.0 release, is a blank Test Results window, if JS is working, and a fail notice if not. The extended javatester response above presumably results from JS improvements in NS #1096, as compared with NS 3.0. For comparison, the javatester response to the earlier NS #1083 is JavaScript IS WORKING in your web browser Your web browser supports JavaScript version 2.2 Your web browser was not detected as being either Opera, Firefox, Internet Explorer, Chrome or a BlackBerry so it seems that work is on-going in this area. As mentioned in another post, there is a bug in NS 3.0 which causes the JS setting in Choices to be lost when NS is quit/re-started. This means that it is necessary to re-set 'Disable JavaScript' when NS 3.0 is run. Tony
netsurf 3.0 choices bug
The following has recently been discussed in csa.apps: The NetSurf 3.0 Change Log says: Added early and primitive JavaScript support. (Disabled by default.) Unticking 'Disable Javascript' enables JS for the session but, if NetSurf is quit/re-started, 'Disable Javascript' is again ticked, this notwithstanding that the choices file contains enable_javascript:1 Subsequent development builds are not affected (the JS setting survives quit/re-start) but the point has been made in csa.apps that it would be helpful if the bug were to be fixed in 3.0, for the benefit of those who rely on stable releases. Tony
Re: downloading older development versions
On 23 Apr 2013, Vincent Sanders wrote: > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 01:12:08PM +0000, Tony Moore wrote: [snip] > > I would like to determine the version in which the problem first > > occurs but I cannot find any way of downloading versions prior to > > those listed at http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/riscos/ > > > > Could someone please suggest how this may be done? > > It cannot, the CI service only keeps the last 25 builds > > However: [snip] > git log > 38a9c374a4685c6b06625e63c3e305101e531d81..61a2b8ddc452b915925793f4f538dbb2ca9b5ba5 > > shows all changes between them > > I have added teh list to the bug Many thanks for the response, and for the log. Unfortunately, I'm none the wiser since none of the log descriptions suggests - to me, a user - that it might be responsible for the problem. I wonder if anyone else, who uses Yahoo Mail, can replicate this: On the log-in screen, enter ID and Password, click 'Sign In' This leads to a screen which says If you are seeing this page, your browser settings prevent you from automatically redirecting to a new URL. Please click here to continue. Notwithstanding the warning, older versions of NetSurf _do_ redirect, and display the webmail page, as expected. The current version (#1083 json, or jsoff) displays a 'Warning from NetSurf' saying 'BadType', and no redirection. For me this is a nuisance, rather than a show-stopper, since I normally use pop/smtp, but I need to remember to load #417, to access the Spam folder, etc. Tony
downloading older development versions
Between NetSurf #417 (9 Oct 2012) and #461 (13 Oct 2012), it became impossilbe to log-in to Yahoo webmail because, apparently, redirection failed. I reported the problem https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3579166&group_id=51719&atid=464312 but it persists, as of today, in #1083. I would like to determine the version in which the problem first occurs but I cannot find any way of downloading versions prior to those listed at http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/riscos/ Could someone please suggest how this may be done? Tony
Re: copy and paste urls from webpage
On 26 Mar 2013, Richard Porter wrote: > On 26 Mar 2013 John Rickman Iyonix wrote: > > > Is there an easy way to select an url on a webpage in order to get > > it into the clipboard? > > No. I use Object > Link > Save > Text and drag to !Edit on the icon > bar, then copy from there or save the file to where I want it. Shift-adjust-click on a link allows its URL to be saved where you will. Tony
Re: Mailing list archives
On 9 Mar 2013, John Rickman Iyonix wrote: > Is there anyway to search the NetSurf mailing list archives:- > http://vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/netsurf-users-netsurf-browser.org/ > > I am trying to find a thread that occurred sometime 2009-2010 and am > opening each month at a time. It is a bit slow. Try a Google search for site:vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/netsurf-users-netsurf-browser.org on one line, but a space before your first search term. It works here. Tony
Re: Controlling Javascript -- button suggestion
On 15 Jan 2013, Tim Hill wrote: > In article , Tony > Moore wrote: > > On 14 Jan 2013, Tim Hill wrote: > > > In article <89e6ff0d53.c.n@virgin.net>, ChrisF > > > wrote: > > > > In message <2f9bf20d53@nails.abbeypress.net> Jim Nagel > > > >wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > > > A wee handy-feature suggestion (if it's not a lot of > > > > > programming effort): A "Javascript on/off button" on the > > > > > toolbar. > > > > > > > . like Webster has. > > > > > > . or a shortcut keypress which could be added to Buttonbar. > > > A menu option would be needed for ButtonBar, or Keystroke, to work. > > I don't know about Keystroke but that's not true for Buttonbar. If a > keypress is understood by an application but not in its menu, it still > works. Just tested it with PageUp/Down for NetSurf and they work but > are not in the menu structure. Sorry, I misunderstood your comment. Having read it more carefully, I agree with you. (My NetSurf ButtonBar already has the same PageUp/Down.) Tony
Re: Controlling Javascript -- button suggestion
On 14 Jan 2013, Tim Hill wrote: > In article <89e6ff0d53.c.n@virgin.net>, ChrisF > wrote: > > In message <2f9bf20d53@nails.abbeypress.net> Jim Nagel > >wrote: [snip] > > > A wee handy-feature suggestion (if it's not a lot of programming > > > effort): A "Javascript on/off button" on the toolbar. > > > . like Webster has. > > . or a shortcut keypress which could be added to Buttonbar. A menu option would be needed for ButtonBar, or Keystroke, to work. Tony
Re: Hotlist on RISCOS
On 31 Dec 2012, "Gerald Dodson" wrote: > I often have trouble re-arranging the Hotlist. In particular grouping > items into a directory. At the moment I have a new directory into > which I have been trying to place a number of items not currently in a > directory. Drag the selected items to the _lower_ half of the directory icon. Tony
Re: RISC OS Javascript support
On 16 Dec 2012, Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 16 Dec, Dave Higton wrote in message > : [snip] > > It does have a "Disable Javascript" item - but the effect doesn't > > appear to be stored; the item always comes up as disabled when NS > > starts. > > Are you using a build which contains JS? It works fine in a "json" > build, but in a "jsoff" version it gets saved (look in the Choices) > file, then lost on loading. However, I suspect that it's getting > loaded and then overwritten to false by the dummy js_initialise() in > javascript/none.c (which presumably isn't an issue in a build that > actually contains JavaScript). Running #744 (json) on RO 6.20, I see the problem described by Dave. NetSurf's config file contains enable_javascript:1 but, when loaded, NetSurf Choices... > Content shows 'Disable JavaScript' ticked, and http://javatester.org/javascript.html reports that 'JavaScript IS NOT WORKING in your web browser'. After unticking 'Disable JavaScript', the 'not working' warning at http://javatester.org/javascript.html has gone so, presumably, JavaScript is then working - not that this is apparent, on other websites. Tony
Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption
On 22 Nov 2012, Michael Drake wrote: > In article <60245ff252.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk>, >Harriet Bazley wrote: > > > Recently I've been suffering increasingly frequent corruption of my > > NetSurf hotlist > > The hotlist gets truncated when it fails to save one of the entries. > > Since hotlist load/save was ported from libxml to libdom it has failed > to handle HTML entities. So the hotlist will get truncated before the > first entry to contain an "unusual" character. Looking at the Hotlist files posted by Richard Torrens, the entry which caused the truncation was (on one line): http://www.vivastreet.co.uk/east-anglia";> ••▷ East Anglia Free ads, East Anglia classifieds, East Anglia FREE CLASSIFIED ADS, 450,000+ free classifieds in the UK A possible temporary workaround would be to edit each title, in the Hotlist window, to remove 'unusual' characters - in this case ••▷ - before quitting NetSurf (so saving the file). Tony
Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption
On 22 Nov 2012, Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 05:59:21PM +0100, John Williams wrote: [snip] > > Would it be possible to have once again something like the old > > builds page detailing changes between test versions, or is that too > > much unproductive work? > > http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/job/netsurf/BUILD_JS=jsoff,CC=gcc,TARGET=riscos,label=arm-unknown-riscos/ > > The list of builds down the left hand side has links to a details page > for each, which includes the change messages for the commits included > in that build, with links to diffs on the cgit revision viewer. At present, the earliest build available on that page is #641. How is it possible to access earlier builds? I wish to identify the build in which https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3579166&group_id=51719&atid=464312 first occurred. This lies between #417 and #461. Tony
Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption
On 22 Nov 2012, Tony Moore wrote: > On 22 Nov 2012, cj wrote: > > > With #665 on the Iyonix (5.19, 7 Nov 2012) the truncation is still > > occurring when NetSurf is quit. The file I am using to test is > > shortened from 24K to 10K. > > I've now checked #600 and #659 with RO5.19 (29-Oct-12), running on > RPCEmu v0.8.9. The results were identical to those for RO6.20, reported > earlier, ie no truncation with a 90K file. Now I'm up to date: using #665 with RO5.19 (29-Oct-12), running on RPCEmu v0.8.9, and with RO6.20 running on a SARPC, here there is still no truncation of a 90K Hotlist file, when NetSurf is quit. Tony
Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption
On 22 Nov 2012, Peter Young wrote: [snip] > I imported a 32K hotlist from the backup of the late Iyo, and ran > NetSurf, and then quitted it. There was a bleep, and 32K suddenly > became 8K. Is it something to do with the size of the hotlist perhaps? No problem here, with a 90K Hotlist file. Tony
Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption
On 22 Nov 2012, cj wrote: > With #665 on the Iyonix (5.19, 7 Nov 2012) the truncation is still > occurring when NetSurf is quit. The file I am using to test is > shortened from 24K to 10K. I've now checked #600 and #659 with RO5.19 (29-Oct-12), running on RPCEmu v0.8.9. The results were identical to those for RO6.20, reported earlier, ie no truncation with a 90K file. Tony
Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption
On 22 Nov 2012, Daniel Silverstone wrote: > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 10:43:24AM +0000, Tony Moore wrote: > > On 22 Nov 2012, Daniel Silverstone > > wrote: > > > We did recently rewrite the hotlist code, > > What was the first #number of this change? > > I do not recall. It was done not long after the hack weekend That, I believe, was 3-4 Nov 2012. Using RO6.20: When quitting NetSurf #600 (5 Nov 2012), it consistently re-writes my Hotlist as a 90K file. When quitting NetSurf #659 (18 Nov 2012), it consistently re-writes my Hotlist as an 89K file. The difference in file-lengths seems to be caused by #600 writing & whereas #659 writes & , however I can't persuade either NetSurf version to truncate the Hotlist. Tony
Re: Hotlist truncation/corruption
On 22 Nov 2012, Daniel Silverstone wrote: [snip] > We did recently rewrite the hotlist code, What was the first #number of this change? Tony
Re: Strange rendering problem
On 5 Nov 2012, Richard Porter wrote: > Open the following web page: > http://www.studiospares.com/search?q=tascam&perpage=10&ivtype=soundcards > > The chances are you'll see blank rectangles in the central bit. The > nav-bar down the left is probably OK. Now wipe another window over the > NetSurf window. As you move the other window aside content will be > revealed. However if you just put the window to the back it will leave > white space where it was. > > #596 on RO6.16 #600 on RO 6.20 Warning from NetSurf: Base stylesheet failed to load then a blank white window. Tony
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
On 5 Nov 2012, george greenfield wrote: > In message <65188.62.172.88.217.1352127050.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.c > o.uk> "Learning Partners" wrote: > > > Massive thanks are due to all involved. I look forward to the next > > stable release and the javascript implementation. > > Seconded, with feeling! I hadn't expected to see /any/ form of > javascript on NetSurf in the medium term, let alone before Christmas > (and yes, I do appreciate it is not a complete implementation), so am > looking forward eagerly to what will be a significant step forward for > both browser and platform. I'm using 3.0 Dev. CI #590 at the moment > and already it is a considerable advance on 2.9 - the rate of progress > is impressive and a credit to the developers. Agreed. Many thanks indeed. Tony
Re: RISC OS: Squeezed executable
On 13 Oct 2012, Rob Kendrick wrote: [snip] > I'd like some feedback on this. Specifically; > > - Are people noticing any difference in load times? SARPC / RISC OS 6.20: netsurf-2012-10-02_20-23-02 17 seconds NetSurf #461 15 seconds. RPCEmu 0.8.9 / RISC OS 4.39: netsurf-2012-10-02_20-23-02 11 seconds NetSurf #461 11 seconds NetSurf was dragged to the iconbar (to avoid the uncertain timing of a double-click) and loading timed using Alarm. Each result was consistent over several trials. Tony
Re: El Reg timeouts
On 12 Oct 2012, Richard Porter wrote: > On 12 Oct 2012 george greenfield wrote: > > > No problem accessing El Reg Software > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/software/ and accessing > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/11/ballmer_faces_uphill_battle_on_windows_8_/ > > but several attempts to navigate to 'Comments' produced a timeout > > each time. Selecting Menu-Navigate-Up one level also timed out. > > Quitting and reloading Netsurf produced the same result. Immediately > > quitting 3.0 and launching 2.9 worked fine. Could be a blip but I've > > had problems with this 3.0 build before on El Reg site. > > > My system details: My details: NS-2012-10-07_21-57-22, > > RPCEmu089/RO4.02 (256MB RAM), Win7 (64-bit). NetSurf 3.0 #417.. > > Works OK on kinetic rpc/RO6.16/NS#417 so looks like emu problem. OK here: RPCEmu089/RO4.39 (256MB RAM), Win7 (32-bit), NetSurf 3.0 #417 Tony
Re: Hotlist
On 29 Jun 2012, Bryn Evans wrote: > In a mad moment - Dave Symes mumbled : [snip] > > Problem is... She can't drag anything to the bottom of the list > > where the directory resides, it is totally unreachable, any part of > > the icon. > > > By getting her to drag the directory up the list a few spaces, it > > becomes reachable. > > I noticed this behaviour when the Hotlist was first introduced, and > discovered the same workaround. The problem appeared some time between 2.6 (21st September 2010), which is ok, and 2.7 (7th April 2011), which is not ok (sorry that I cannot be more precise). It seems to be caused by the position of the pointer on the bounding box which represents the objects being moved. The pointer is at the top left of the box, which is higher than one line, in the Hotlist window. Thus the pointer cannot reach the bottom line. Previously, the objects to be dragged were represented by a transparent icon, which didn't restrict the movement of the pointer. Tony
Re: Hotlist
On 28 Jun 2012, Brian Howlett wrote: > On 28 Jun, Dave Symes wrote: [snip] > > How does she take an existing Hotlist entry and put it in one of her > > directories? > > Drag 'n' drop seems to work... You need to drop the selection on the _lower+ half of a directory icon, otherwise the selection is moved to the space above the directory. Tony
Re: NetSurf crashing on cpc site
On 25 May 2012, lists wrote: > The home page: > > http://cpc.farnell.com/ > > works fine so does a search on something like "inverter" but trying to > select or search for an individual item such as PW02762 results in an > immediate crash Here, using NetSurf 2.9 on RO 6.20, a search for PW02762 leads to http://cpc.farnell.com/mercury/651-662uk/soft-start-inverter-12v-300w/dp/PW02762?Ntt=PW02762 without any crash. Tony
Re: Nervous tick
On 26 Apr 2012, Richard Porter wrote: > When Netsurf is displaying the following page and others on the same > site the pointer starts flickering 2 or 3 times a second between a > pointing hand and an hour glass. > > http://www.therailengineer.com/2012/04/26/bs11000-working-together-achieving-more/ [snip] > Currently using r13534. No problem here with r13571 Tony
AcornURI
NetSurf's Run file includes the line RMEnsure AcornURI 0.12 Error NetSurf requires AcornURI 0.12 or later. A version of this can be found at http://sudden.recoil.org/others/ That link 'could not be retrieved', and I've not been able to locate the current download url for AcornURI. However, in fact, the link is not needed, because AcornURI 1.04 is included in the distribution zipfile. Maybe the error message in NetSurf's Run file should be changed? Tony
