Re: Big push on testing needed
In message <5548c5c513cvj...@waitrose.com> Chris Newman wrote: > In article <3bc72c4755.davem...@my.inbox.com>, >Dave Higton wrote: >> Big news... >> Current test (CI) builds are now release candidates. Yes, a new >> release of NetSurf is imminent. >> Please, everybody, download the latest test build (which will, >> of course, change as bugs are found and fixed), give it a good >> thrashing, and get your bug reports in. >> Please also note that, since it's now close to release time, the >> Javascript setting in Choices->Content is obeyed (and has been >> for a couple of days or so now). > Greetings from sunny Australia (gloat, gloat), > The 38 Degrees petition page at > https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/Scotland-stop-CETA > Is a bit of a pigs dinner. It takes ages to load, frames overlap & the > signing link doesn't work. > Dev CI #3315 on Virtual Acorn Adjust 4.39 > Same effects with JS on or off. > Works OK using Maxthon browser on the Windows side. > Does anyone see the same effects? 2.6s JS off, 5.4s JS on, CI #3312, 5.21 (RC14), Pi 2 @ 900MHz. Page display is substantially different compared to Otter 0.9.09 on RISC OS. The signing link doesn't work in Netsurf with JS on or off, but Otter seems fully functional with JS enabled. I didn't make a precise count of page loading time in Otter - it's considerably slower than NS, about 20-30 secs JS off/on. -- George
Re: NetSurf progress
In message Dave Higton wrote: > In message > Harriet Bazley wrote: > >>On 3 Nov 2015 as I do recall, >> Dave Higton wrote: >> >>[snip] >> >> >>> In short, I feel very much encouraged by recent progress, and I >>> hope you all do too! >>> >>I've been very impressed by the speed with which the last few issues I've >>reported have been fixed. > > Thanks for speaking up, Harriet. The developers really are trying! > > Perhaps your posting will add weight to my pleas for more testing. > > Another thing: you must have downloaded and tried numerous development > (CI) builds. How many have given you trouble? > IME the development builds are pretty stable. I generally update NS every couple of weeks or so and have been doing so since the CI series started: I could probably count the troublesome versions on the fingers of one hand. I keep a copy of the last stable release in any case, and can revert to that in the (rare) event of problems. Good to see development is proceeding energetically: the platform doesn't have too many alternatives to NetSurf. I've used Peter Naulls' Firefox port in the past, and the Otter port fairly intensively over the past 3 weeks and, while the latter is promising, it is not yet responsive enough for day-in, day-out use on a low-powered computer such as a Pi or Iyonix, IMO, and I imagine a considerable amount of work would be required to make it so. We really do need NetSurf! -- George
Re: Bad type
In message <15dd751555.r...@user.minijem.plus.com> Richard Porter wrote: > I get an awful lot of "Bad type" errors when clicking on links. What > does this mean? I guess it has something to do with javascript. > You may find disabling Javascript in Choices-Content reduces/eliminates the incidence of this error (I get them too, but usually when JS is enabled). IME NetSurf (Dev CI #3000) works more quickly and reliably with JS disabled, and without apparent loss of functionality. -- George
Re: #2988 hanging
In message <20151013152414.gb23...@platypus.pepperfish.net> Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 04:39:32AM -0800, Dave Higton wrote: >> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:09:27 +0100 George Greenfield wrote: >> >> > I must confess to having used Ctrl-Break from time to time, when faced >> > with a frozen desktop, without evident ill-effects. Is it considered >> > worse than powering-off at the switch, which is the only other option >> > AFAIK? >> >> Probably, although I'm not really qualified to answer. > > You can assume the following simplification: > > Alt-Break allows you to force a stuck task to call > Wimp_CloseDown, essentially causing it to quit. Note that this > forced quit isn't clean: any open files will remain so, and any > memory allocated via dynamic areas or the RMA will be leaked. > > Ctrl-Break essentially calls OS_Reset, which causes a software > reset that for all but the very most obscure situations is > functionally identical to pressing the hardware reset button. > > The danger with Ctrl-Break and the hardware reset button is that > FileCore might be trying to do something at the time (or be > struck trying), leaving the file system in an unclean state, > requiring the use of something like Disknight to fix. > > Summary: Always try Alt-Break first (and the a clean shutdown > straight after), and only Ctrl-Break/Hardware reset button as a > last resort. > > B. > Thanks - that's a very clear explanation! -- George
Re: #2988 hanging
In message Gavin Wraith wrote: > In message <35e4e54c747.0d53d...@davehigton.me.uk> > Dave Higton wrote: > > >>There's another point worth making here. If you think NS has >>crashed, use Alt-Break. Note: NEVER use Ctrl-Break, various >>RISC OS luminaries class it as Evil and say it Breaks Discs. > > Thanks very much for this. > -- > Gavin Wraith (ga...@wra1th.plus.com) > Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/ > I must confess to having used Ctrl-Break from time to time, when faced with a frozen desktop, without evident ill-effects. Is it considered worse than powering-off at the switch, which is the only other option AFAIK? -- George
Re: New Netsurf - improved Javascript stability
In message <550abce24acvj...@waitrose.com> Chris Newman wrote: > In article , >Jim Nagel wrote: >> Dave Higton wrote on 21 Sep: > >> > I downloaded the latest CI build of NS yesterday. There hasn't been >> > one for quite a while. I noticed that it doesn't crash when opening a >> > sport page of the BBC News website, for example. This is a big >> > improvement. >> > I think we're seeing evidence of big changes within Netsurf. > >> Anybody concur? > >> I'm on #2935 (Aug 25) and have been suffering a great many sites that >> time out with no display at all. Sometimes hourglassing goes on >> forever and there's nothing for it but Alt-Break to kill Netsurf. >> Some of these cases will succeed if I relaunch Netsurf, switch off >> Javascript from its iconbar menu, and only then reload the site. > > Same here with #2964 > I recently upgraded to #2964 from #2953 and AFAICS the javascript-enabled behaviour and functionality* is identical in both, and I too have the endless hourglassing behaviour unless JS is disabled. I don't mean to be downbeat or decry the efforts of the developers - NetSurf is a fine lightweight browser, better than any RISC OS alternative that I've tried**, and no doubt the developers would be the first to agree that javascript functionality is very much a work in progress. (* virtually non-existent) (** that doesn't include the recent Otter port) -- George
Re: El Reg formats differently these days - why?
In message Bryn Evans wrote: > In a mad moment - Dave Higton mumbled : > [snip] > >> So I have to assume that El Reg have changed their layout in some way. > >> The HTML is beyond my comprehension. Can anyone else explain what's >> going on? > > it is the same using Firefox and Linux, so i guess they have made > a cockup of some change - It happened mid week. > Or possibly they're trying to become more smartphone-friendly? -- George
Re: Crash with #2860
In message <54e5a942dbbbai...@argonet.co.uk> Brian wrote: > In article <98959be554.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young > wrote: >> On 19 Jul 2015 David Pitt wrote: > >> > David Pitt, on 19 Jul, wrote: > >> >> David Pitt, on 19 Jul, wrote: >> >> >> >>> "Chris Young", on 19 Jul, wrote: >> >>> >> On Sun, 19 Jul 2015 09:57:04 +0100, David Pitt wrote: >> >> > NetSurf opens a local home page here on startup. Reboot the >> > machine, start NetSurf, quit NetSurf then restart NetSurf, crash. >> > This starts with #2859 and also happens with #2860, however #2858 >> > seems OK. If NetSurf is restarted without opening a home page then >> > the crash happens on clicking on its iconbar icon. >> >> Actually, try 2862, that's more likely to fix it. >> >>> >> >>> Or not. I have posted a log at :- >> >>> >> >>> http://www.pittdj.co.uk/temp/ns2862.zip >> >>> >> >>> I will get something on the bug tracker. >> >>> >> >> http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2334 > >> > #2863 fixes it. > >> > Many thanks. > >> And from me. > > Agreed. > > Cheers > > Brian > > Working fine here too, thanks to Chris. -- George
Re: Crash with #2860
In message <8b5191e554.geo...@tiscali..co.uk> you wrote: > In message <54e588d713bbai...@argonet.co.uk> > Brian wrote: > >> In article <14a182e554.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young >> wrote: >>> I can't raise a bug report for this, as the bug-reporting page was >>> off-line when I tried just now. I'll try again later today. >> >>> ARMX6, RISC OS 5.21. I downloaded #2860, which immediately crashed when >>> I opened my home page, www.bbc.co.uk/news. I shut the machine down. and >>> this time the home page loaded, but when I tried to open >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/gl52 NetSurf crashed again; I have the >>> logfile. I reverted to #2856, which behaved. >> >>> Has anyone else found this? If so, I'll raise a proper bug report when >>> I can do. >> >> Yes, Peter, it crashes. Tested several times. >> >> Brian >> >> > Me too: this behaviour: > >>> RISC OS 5.21. I downloaded #2860, which immediately crashed when >>> I opened my home page, > [snip] >>> I shut the machine down. and >>> this time the home page loaded, but when I tried to open >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/gl52 NetSurf crashed again; I have the >>> logfile. > > coincides exactly with my experience, the only difference being the > platform, in my case a Pi 1B, and the home page, Google.co.uk here. > > I should have added, enabling/disabling JS made no difference. -- George
Re: Crash with #2860
In message <54e588d713bbai...@argonet.co.uk> Brian wrote: > In article <14a182e554.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young > wrote: >> I can't raise a bug report for this, as the bug-reporting page was >> off-line when I tried just now. I'll try again later today. > >> ARMX6, RISC OS 5.21. I downloaded #2860, which immediately crashed when >> I opened my home page, www.bbc.co.uk/news. I shut the machine down. and >> this time the home page loaded, but when I tried to open >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/gl52 NetSurf crashed again; I have the >> logfile. I reverted to #2856, which behaved. > >> Has anyone else found this? If so, I'll raise a proper bug report when >> I can do. > > Yes, Peter, it crashes. Tested several times. > > Brian > > Me too: this behaviour: >> RISC OS 5.21. I downloaded #2860, which immediately crashed when >> I opened my home page, [snip] >> I shut the machine down. and >> this time the home page loaded, but when I tried to open >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/gl52 NetSurf crashed again; I have the >> logfile. coincides exactly with my experience, the only difference being the platform, in my case a Pi 1B, and the home page, Google.co.uk here. -- George
Re: Google
In message <54c34dbdb8brian.jord...@btinternet.com> Brian Jordan wrote: > In article <54c3467e90ris...@gotadsl.co.uk>, >Richard Ashbery wrote: >> In article <54c2328532joh...@ukgateway.net>, John Williams >> wrote: >> > In article <1c3b90c054.r...@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter >> > wrote: > >> > > I think it's absolutely essential that we have a javascript >> > > on/off button on the toolbar. If javescript is off google won't >> > > work and if it's on streetmap.co.uk won't work. > >> I've just tried Google again with Javascript off and a search works >> normally. Anyone able to confirm? > > Seems to be true here as well. > Same here (NS 3.4 Dev CI #2735). -- George
Re: Google
In message <54c0f71aa9li...@torrens.org.uk> "Richard Torrens (lists)" wrote: [snip] > > > Sorry, I've confused myself by togling JS once too many times. > > The search script on my www site does work with JF off: Relevant bit is > > > > http://www.google.com/custom> > > > > > Search WWW > > > > > Save that as search/html, re-type is as faf (html) and use it > Hi Richard Thanks for the useful workaround: it is now permanently pinned to my Pi's desktop! -- George
Re: Google
In message <3d8ea4c054.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk> Tony Moore wrote: > On 8 May 2015, george greenfield > wrote: > > [snip] > >> So a temporary workaround might be to enable JS, hotlist all >> regularly-visited/needed sites, then disable JS and avoid using the >> search page entirely. > > How is it possible to transfer an address, from the Google search page, > to the NetSurf hotlist, without actually visiting the site? > > Tony > It's not possible. The procedure that seems to work here is: 1. Enable JS in Choices. 2. Open Google search page, enter desired site into Search field as usual. 3. Desired site loads - click Menu, select 'Utilities-Hotlist-Add to hotlist' and close Google search page. 4. Disable JS in Choices. 5. Click Adjust over NetSurf icon to open Hotlist, select desired site. Once a number of sites have been hotlisted they can be opened without requiring JS. And no, I don't understand how this works either -- George
Re: Google
In message Tony Moore wrote: > On 8 May 2015, Andrew Pinder wrote: > > [snip] > >> Which version of NetSurf are we talking about here? I'm on 3.4 (Dev >> CI #2771) on RO 5.22 and haven't seen any problems with Google. > > Try tuning off JavaScript. > > Tony With JS off, accessing the Google search page produces the problematic 'endless reloading' behaviour previously described; however, clicking on a previously hotlisted item works fine, even with JS off. So a temporary workaround might be to enable JS, hotlist all regularly-visited/needed sites, then disable JS and avoid using the search page entirely. [NetSurf 3.4 (Dev CI #2735)] -- George
Re: Updated disc cache
In message <20150403135237.gd18...@kyllikki.org> Vincent Sanders wrote: > On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 02:39:05PM +0100, cj wrote: >> In article , >>David Pitt wrote: >> > Hmm! My Iyonix did over three time better than that, and there was >> > no "too slow" message. My test piece was http://www.dailymail.co.uk >> > because that is a particularly heavy duty site. >> >> OK. A lot of random browsing around that site led to: >> >> (5743.13) content/llcache.c llcache_finalise 3352: Backing store >> average bandwidth 531777 bytes/second >> >> which is over 5 times faster. However, I thought we would be talking >> drive speed, which shouldn't be affected by the download speed of any >> particular site, or am I completely up the wrong alley? > > That value is *purely* the total amount *written* to disc divided by > how long the write operations took. The write time includes all > directory creation/seek operations etc. rather than just the raw disc > write performance. > > Anything above a megabit a second (125000 bytes/second) will not > trigger the warning about low write speed. I set it there because > below that value the overheads of disc caching exceed the benefit of > simply fetching data from the network. > I have some results from my Pi B (system details below): 1. Accessing Steve's Digicams Reviews (a content-heavy page) http://www.steves-digicams.com/camera-reviews/ content/llcache.c llcache_finalise 3352: Backing store average bandwidth 6426 bytes/second; 2. Accessing Digital Photography Review http://www.dpreview.com/reviews content/llcache.c llcache_finalise 3352: Backing store average bandwidth 449 bytes/second. Pretty dire, and unsurprisingly the 'inadequate bandwidth' warning was triggered in both cases. NetSurf is running on my system SD card, a Kingston 4GB class 10 item. Other system details: NS 3.4 [Dev CI #2696], RasPi B @ 900MHz, RO 5.21 [RC12, 12-Jan-15]. -- George
Re: BBC News
In message Tony Moore wrote: > According to http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-the-editors-32016166 > published by the BBC, on 23 March 2015 > >Our new "responsive" design [of the BBC News website], which we've >just launched for desktop computer, aims to make sure the site looks >great whichever device or screen size you are on - mobile, tablet or >desktop. > > However, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news , displayed by NetSurf #2655, on a > RiscPC, seems to be a version for mobile, and looks far from 'great'. > > Do others see the same mess? > > Tony > > > > Yes. (System details: NS 3.3 [10-Mar-15], RasPi B @ 900MHz, RO 5.21 [RC12, 12-Jan-15]). -- George
Re: #2652 page rendering oddity
In message <54a546bb12bbai...@argonet.co.uk> Brian wrote: > Almost invariably, loading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzogchen initially > gives a page display which looks to me like the an incomplete html file > contents (poor description, explanation, I'm afraid). Reloading the page > usually then renders the page correctly, in full. Do others get the same > behaviour, please? > > The page loads normally here on 2 attempts. System details: NS 3.3, RasPi B @ 900MHz, RO 5.21 [RC12, 12-Jan-15]. -- George
Re: Disc cache updates
In message <72ec0aa554.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk> Harriet Bazley wrote: > On 14 Mar 2015 as I do recall, > Andrew Pinder wrote: > >> In message <20141201160839.gh10...@kyllikki.org> >> on 1 Dec 2014 Vincent Sanders wrote: >> >> > The disc cache has recently been updated to track the speed of write >> > operations. >> >> > As a result of this performance tracking The browser will now detect >> > if a system cannot sustain a write speed of one Megabit (120kilobytes/ >> > second) the cache will disable itself and display a warning. >> >> >> I'm finding this on my ARMini. Is this common? >> > I'm seeing this constantly on the Iyonix -- though I tried setting the cache > to zero and still got the same message. I thought maybe it was failing to > find the !Cache application altogether after switching users. > I'm mystified by this as well. I'm getting the 'write speed not high enough' message every start up on my system*. If the system is failing a benchmark of 120 KB/sec, how is it that !Speed records IKB and 4KB block write speeds on the SD card in question as 314 and 1067 KB/sec respectively (and larger blocks much faster e.g. 6809 KB/sec for 64KB)? *NS 3.3, RasPi B @ 900MHz, RO 5.21 [RC12, 12-Jan-15]. -- George
Re: BBC News site
In message Fred Bambrough wrote: > In message <00019af7.01f79490a...@smtp.freeola.net> > Peter Slegg wrote: > >> >> I've just installed Atari build 2652. When I try to open the BBC news >> site www.bbc.co.uk/news/ it pops up a message: >> >> Failure when receiving data from peer >> >> and then it exits abruptly. >> > Might be a problem with the site. It loads ok here but takes a very long > time to do so. > Works fine here, loaded in 9 secs. NS 3.3, RasPi B, RO 5.21 [RC12, 12-Jan-15]. -- George
Re: NS serious error
In message David Pitt wrote: > Dave Higton, on 11 Mar, wrote: > >> In message <55931.82.153.33.53.1426101904.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> >> "Gerald Dodson" wrote: >> >> > > In message >> > <52388.82.153.33.53.1425934245.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk> >> >> "Gerald Dodson" wrote: >> >> >> > > > In trying to access: >> > > > www.hl.co.uk/shares-search-results/i/iberdrola-sa-eur-0.75 NS has a >> > > > serious error and must exit. Iyo 5.18 NS 2641 I would try ths on the >> > > > other Iyo but again I think the vga output i not >> > > > working. >> > > > Any one else get te same? > >> > > I just tried it. No crash. "Sorry, the page you are looking for >> > > cannot be found". Is this what we should see, or is there a mistake >> > > in the URL above? > >> > There is a mistake. I omitted a second "/shares" >> > >> > Correct URL is: >> > >> > www.hl.co.uk/shares/shares-search-results/i/iberdrola-sa-eu-0.75 >> > >> > sorry for the error > >> This can't be found either. > > The page is :- > > http://www.hl.co.uk/shares/shares-search-results/i/iberdrola-sa-eur-0.75 > > The crash will appear reasonably promptly with JavaScript disabled and after > a delay if JavaScript is enabled. > > Bug reported. > I can confirm the JS-disabled and JS-enabled behaviour described above. NS 3.3 CI #2641, RaspPi B, 512MB RO 5.21 [RC12, 12-Jan-15] -- George
Re: #2463 - Scanning fonts
In message Andrew Pinder wrote: > In message <54797458f6bbai...@argonet.co.uk> > on 21 Dec 2014 Brian wrote: > >> NetSurf has very recently started scanning fonts during loading. This >> hasn't happened for ages. Is this a glitch, perhaps, or revised behaviour? > > I think a relevant factor may be the number of fonts you have > installed. I agree. NetSurf 3.2 scans fonts here (RaspPi 5.21) on loading (automatic on booting as it's installed in Configure-Boot sequence-Run) every time. I have 2658 files in !Boot.Resources.!Fonts. -- George
Re: BBC sites very slow.
In message <235c187854.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Peter Young wrote: > On 18 Dec 2014 Brian Howlett wrote: > >> On 18 Dec, Peter Young wrote: > >>> Using http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/gl52 1 minute 20 seconds with RISC >>> OS NetSurf, already on the icon bar > >> 12.1 seconds here, without Netsurf running, then 9.6 seconds on a >> second load with Netsurf running. > >> Using CI #2441 on Iyonix with RO 5.20. > > 13 seconds here with NetSurf on the icon bar, so better than this > morning, but still slow. Perhaps there's something odd with my setup. > Would a logfile be helpful to anyone? > > #2441, ARMini, RISC OS 5.19 > > Best wishes, > > Peter. > 3.7 secs here (RaspPi 900Mhz, 5.21, NS 3.2) -- George
Re: BBC sites very slow.
In message Peter Young wrote: > On 17 Dec 2014 Peter Young wrote: > >> This is with RISC OS and development builds, currently #2441, but has >> been happening for several days now. > >> Any of the BBC sites are now taking a lot longer to download, maybe by >> a factor of five to ten times as long. They are now even slower than >> the www.msscociety.org.uk sites which till now have been the slowest > > Sorry, typo. http://www.mssociety.org.uk/ > > >> to download. I've checked my connection speed, and it's much the same >> as usual. > >> Is this a problem with NetSurf or with the BBC sites? I suspect the >> latter. > >> Best wishes, > >> Peter. > > Haven't noticed the Beeb being slow, but the MS Society link you gave loaded here in 4.7 secs, the forum link in 0.7 and the support link in 2.6 secs respectively - I wouldn't call that slow, personally. Setup is a RaspPi RO 5.21 (900Mhz) running NS 3.2 official release. -- George
Re: Change.org massively scaled images
In message <54705f9528ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk> cj wrote: > In article , >David Pitt wrote: >> > At least this is what I get on NS 3.3 Dev Cl#2419, RISC OS 5.21 >> > Raspberry Pi, be interesting to see what happens on other >> > platforms? > > Seems to be the same on the Iyonix. > Same here (NS 3.2 stable release, Raspberry Pi B, RO 5.21 (13-Sept-14). -- George
Re: Disc cache worth it?
In message <20140624211245.gm1...@platypus.pepperfish.net> Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 06:36:18PM +0100, Chris Young wrote: >> >> It would be interesting to see if a Raspberry Pi running the GTK >> version from SD card has the same slowness. > > Assuming you were running it on one of the flavours of UNIX available > for it (Linux, NetBSD), then no. > > These operating systems receive the write requests from applications and > queue them for writing to underlying block devices in the background, > while other apps sit there waiting for input or idling. Under RISC OS, > file system writes stop /everthing/ until they complete. > [snip] Does that mean that selecting 'Make file operations multitask' in !Configure-Filer, actually doesn't? -- George
Re: Version 1773
In message <53ef8c9d2ech...@chris-johnson.org.uk> cj wrote: > In article <17ab86ef53.pitt...@iyonix.home>, >David Pitt wrote: >> No such problem here with #1773 on this Iyonix running OS5.21 >> (28-Mar-14). > > Right - so it is something funny at my end, then. Thanks. > Might be an idea to run a Disknight check on your hard drive: IME a bad map can cause otherwise inexplicable problems. -- george greenfield
Re: dates of !Boot and !System within download
In message Jim Nagel wrote: > Brian Jordan wrote on 13 Feb: > >> In article <9b5f51d953@abbeypress.net>, >>Jim Nagel wrote: >>> Suggestion to the Netsurf team: > >>> Please, could you include an extra "Readme-date" file in the download >>> zipfile that would simply state in plain text the date of the last >>> actual change and words to the effect that "If you have updated !Boot >>> and !System since this date, there is no need to do it this time." > >>> It would save the chore of going to every machine and repepetititively >>> performing the merge-boot and merge-system rigamarole when it isn't >>> necessary. (The rest of the job of updating the !Netsurf application >>> on all stations can be done over the network.) Thanks. > > >> I work on the assumption that if a merge-boot or merge-system is required >> that NetSurf will let me know with an appropriate message. Otherwise I >> just let NetSurf get on with it. Am I under vigilant or are you over >> vigilant? It seems to me that the NetSurf team have far bigger fish than >> this to fry. > > Maybe I am being overpunctilious, but I'm just following the > instructions in the existing&unchanging Readme that comes as part of > the download. > >>From what you say, I can see that Netsurf might give a warning about a > module being out of date. But the Unicode stuff is not modules: > would Netsurf warn if any Unicode files are missing or outdated? > > I am in the 'ALWAYS update !Boot and !System' camp. I often notice, when doing so, that the hourglass/percentage twitches briefly into life, which suggests that something is being overwritten, i.e., altered, presumably necessarily. -- george greenfield
RE: Sockets
In message Dave Higton wrote: > On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 11:08:33 GMT, Geoff wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Is it just me, or is Netsurf's sockets system awry. After a modest >> browsing session Internet access freezes up due, I think, >> to sockets being used up. Qitting Netsurf restores order. It seems to >> have started about a couple of weeks ago. Not sure of the exact time. >> >> Risc Os 6.2 NS R1681. (JSoff) >> >> TTFN > > It's not just you. The symptom I notice (and I am not the first to > say this) is failure to resolve links. I can save the link, quit > NS and restart it, and the link works fine. It started more than 2 > week ago, but I don't remember when. I did not originally attribute > the failure to NS, but now I'm sure. > > Dave > > > FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! > Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth > Same symptom here (#1689, running on RPCEmu0.8.11/4.02 on a Win7-64 PC). However, I've noticed this link-resolving failure in Netsurf for quite a while, so I wouldn't say it's a new problem. Quitting and restarting Netsurf seems to restore normal behaviour, as the others have found. George -- george greenfield
Re: Drag 'N Drop & PayPal
In message <5327d882facvj...@waitrose.com> Chris Newman wrote: > Hi, > > Tried to purchase Drag 'N Drop magazine from > > www.dragdrop.co.uk > > using Dev #957 but when linking on to PayPal the page remained blank. > Worked OK with 2.9. > > RiscPC 700 Strong Arm Adjust 4.39 with Unipod > > Anybody else tried? > #956 displays the PayPal link pages if javascript is disabled. George RPCEmu089/4.02 on Win7 64-bit -- george greenfield
Re: rendering of Wikipedia page
In message <53239574c5ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk> cj wrote: > In article , >Jim Nagel wrote: >> John Rickman Iyonix wrote on 24 Feb: >> > Are there any pages in particular that are slow? >> > Wikipedia pages on my Iyonix typically take 2 to 3 seconds to load and >> > render which is quick enough. > >> On Netsurf home page, click Wikipedia link. The Wikipedia home page >> takes 10 seconds to appear on my Iyonix (Ro 5.18, Netsurf #891). > >> Today's home page happens to have a link to "exoplanet". I clicked >> that; the Wikipedia entry >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrasolar_planet took 10 seconds to >> appear. > >> Click a typical link on that page. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extragalactic_planet takes 9 seconds to >> appear. > > Timings seem a bit different here (RISC OS 5.19, 24 Feb 2013), > NetSurf #946 js disabled. > > Test 1: 3.8s rather than 10s > Test 2: 13s rather than 10s > Test 3: 2.8s rather than 9s > > YMMV > I think I may have misunderstood the question in my earlier response. Anyway, results here under RPCEmu089/402 (system details as before, NS #932, json): Test 1: 3s Test 2: 8s Test 3: 2s The thought occurs that local network speed could have a bearing on these results as well. G -- george greenfield
Re: rendering of Wikipedia page
In message <20130225145543.gd8...@pepperfish.net> Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 02:00:01PM +, Jim Nagel wrote: >> John Rickman Iyonix wrote on 24 Feb: [snip] >> >> On Netsurf home page, click Wikipedia link. The Wikipedia home page >> takes 10 seconds to appear on my Iyonix (Ro 5.18, Netsurf #891). > > What were you expecting from a system built using a CPU meant to go on > SCSI cards from 2002 and an OS with a dire IO layer? > > To be honest, I'm amazed it only takes 10 seconds. > > B. > I tried the same test here (RPCEmu089/402 running on a Win7/64 Dell XPS [3.4Ghz quad-core i7 CPU] and it averaged 3 secs over 3 or 4 tries, which seems quite acceptable. I suspect the performance on an Pandaboard ES or Armini would be similar, or better. The Iyo was a fine machine in its day but it is now obsolescent, even by RISC OS standards. On the PC side using Firefox the page takes under a second. Cheers, George -- george greenfield
RE: Thetrainline.com crashes CI #744
In message Dave Higton wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk >> Sent: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 09:20:59 GMT >> To: netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org >> Subject: Thetrainline.com crashes CI #744 >> >> Made three consecutive attempts to access Thetrainline.com using NS CI >> #744 with javascript enabled, each resulting in a NS crash and exit. >> Attempting to access the bug tracker and file a bug report crashed >> #744 again! Back to 2.9 for the bug report > > I found that disabling Javascript on 744 enabled me to submit my > bug report (with file), which is easier than uninstalling etc. > > The quick smoke tests I've done with 744 with JS disabled don't show > any worse stability than versions prior to JS. > > There are also non-JS CI builds, if you prefer. Don't get me wrong: I intended no criticism of JS-enabled NetSurf, in fact I think it's splendid, and to be supported in every way, including the submission of bug reports where appropriate. It was just a bit ironic that the bug tracker itself was amongst the casualties! George -- george greenfield
Thetrainline.com crashes CI #744
Made three consecutive attempts to access Thetrainline.com using NS CI #744 with javascript enabled, each resulting in a NS crash and exit. Attempting to access the bug tracker and file a bug report crashed #744 again! Back to 2.9 for the bug report System details: RPCEmu089/402 Recompiler mode with 256MB running on Win7 (64-bit). George -- george greenfield
Re: RISC OS Javascript support
In message <52fdf4eea8...@timil.com> Tim Hill wrote: > In article <20121214122314.gg15...@kyllikki.org>, Vincent Sanders > wrote: >> Thankyou for all your feedback. > >> As some of you discovered there was no user interface to enable >> javascript so you would need to add: > >> enable_javascript:1 > >> to your configuration manually. > > Okay, that line added to top of Boot:Choices.WWW.NetSurf.Choices > ? I found that adding that line (enable_javascript:1) to my Choices file /dis/abled javascript: commenting it out restored the status quo (i.e., partial operation of js). I'm running the #727 build. George -- george greenfield
Re: RISC OS Javascript support
In message <074271fd52.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk> John Rickman Iyonix wrote: > Graham Pickles wrote > >> In message <20121213103541.gf15...@kyllikki.org> >> Vincent Sanders wrote: > >>> Thanks to Rob Kendrik, Chris Gransden and myself we now have NSPR and >>> Spidermonkey libraries building in the NetSurf toolchain[1]. The CI >>> system[1] has built the toolchain successfully and a copy of NetSurf >>> for RISC OS with Javascript enabled[3]. > >> It's good news to hear about the development of RISC OS Javascript >> support to NetSurf. Keep up the good work and seasonal greetings to >> all the developers. > > Great news! Does the Javascript need to be switched O? I think it must be on by default: http://www.navweaps.com/ no longer displays a 'your javascript is switched off' notice. > > I have tried a few simple tests but my Javascript seem to be being > ignored. Not necessarily (see above). Also, Barclays mobile internet banking now works (I can log in, which I couldn't before) and it now retains my name and reference number between logins, which was also not the case previously. Other sites: thetrainline.com now goes straight to train timetable info, previously it showed a 'your js is disabled, click here for the non-js page'; Streetmap's new Beta page does not work however, but this may be using Flash as well as javascript. George george greenfield
Re: #670
In message <52f33ea5a1joh...@ukgateway.net> John Williams wrote: > In article , >Peter Young wrote: > >> Not so here; ARMini RISC OS 5.19. No font scanning, and gets into >> http://www.google.co.uk/ with no trouble. > > Perhaps a dodgy font detected due to more precise checking, then. > > Haven't knowingly changed anything, but ... > > John > > Works OK here too (RPCEmu 0.8.9/RO 4.02, 256MB RAM, Recompiler, Win7-64-bit). Might be an idea to run FixFonts from inside the !NetSurf app folder, and/or Disknight in case your HD4 has become corrupted. George -- george greenfield
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
In message <52ea7bdaaaj...@jaharrison.me.uk> John Harrison wrote: > >> Most of the JS I've ever encountered ... > > IME JS is often used to hide e-mail addresses from web crawlers looking for > spam fodder. Currently such addresses (and sometimes the associated names) > are invisible. Tt will be a great improvement being able to see them. > Re javascript and NetSurf, could the 'jsoff' component in the test-build titles be meaningful, I wonder ;-) George -- george greenfield
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
In message <65188.62.172.88.217.1352127050.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.c o.uk> "Learning Partners" wrote: > Massive thanks are due to all involved. I look forward to the next stable > release and the javascript implementation. Seconded, with feeling! I hadn't expected to see /any/ form of javascript on NetSurf in the medium term, let alone before Christmas (and yes, I do appreciate it is not a complete implementation), so am looking forward eagerly to what will be a significant step forward for both browser and platform. I'm using 3.0 Dev. CI #590 at the moment and already it is a considerable advance on 2.9 - the rate of progress is impressive and a credit to the developers. Cheers George -- george greenfield
Re: El Reg timeouts
In message Tony Moore wrote: > On 12 Oct 2012, Richard Porter wrote: >> On 12 Oct 2012 george greenfield wrote: >> >> > No problem accessing El Reg Software >> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/software/ and accessing >> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/11/ballmer_faces_uphill_battle_on >> > _windows_8_/ >> > but several attempts to navigate to 'Comments' produced a timeout >> > each time. Selecting Menu-Navigate-Up one level also timed out. >> > Quitting and reloading Netsurf produced the same result. Immediately >> > quitting 3.0 and launching 2.9 worked fine. Could be a blip but I've >> > had problems with this 3.0 build before on El Reg site. >> >> > My system details: My details: NS-2012-10-07_21-57-22, >> > RPCEmu089/RO4.02 (256MB RAM), Win7 (64-bit). NetSurf 3.0 #417.. >> >> Works OK on kinetic rpc/RO6.16/NS#417 so looks like emu problem. > > OK here: RPCEmu089/RO4.39 (256MB RAM), Win7 (32-bit), NetSurf 3.0 #417 > > Tony Tested again just now with NS#417, same sites as OP, worked fine this time, must just have been one of those things. George -- george greenfield
El Reg timeouts
No problem accessing El Reg Software http://www.theregister.co.uk/software/ and accessing http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/11/ballmer_faces_uphill_battle_on_windows_8 _/ but several attempts to navigate to 'Comments' produced a timeout each time. Selecting Menu-Navigate-Up one level also timed out. Quitting and reloading Netsurf produced the same result. Immediately quitting 3.0 and launching 2.9 worked fine. Could be a blip but I've had problems with this 3.0 build before on El Reg site. My system details: My details: NS-2012-10-07_21-57-22, RPCEmu089/RO4.02 (256MB RAM), Win7 (64-bit). NetSurf 3.0 #417.. George -- george greenfield
Re: Could someone look at
In message "Chris Young" wrote: > On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:12:54 +0100, lists wrote: > >> Could someone else take a look at: >> >> http://www.audon.co.uk/usb_scopes/gcr101.html >> >> Here it looks like the page is about 200 yards wide. >> >> Netsurf 2.9 (27th Feb 2012) > > http://www.amigans.net/ has gone wide recently too, but I suspect > that's a different problem, as it is fine in NetSurf 2.9 and not so > fine in NetSurf 3.0 (revision 9cb4d0, a couple of days old) > > Chris > That site formats OK here. My details: NS-2012-10-07_21-57-22, RPCEmu089/RO4.02 (256MB RAM), Win7 (64-bit). George -- george greenfield
Re: NetSurf running out of memory
In message <52db7f27eap...@sprie.nl> Paul Sprangers wrote: > >> click on: http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/kinder.htm This one opens OK. > >> http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/temp/songaf.html But this one doesn't. Quitting and reloading NetSurf to liberate memory makes no odds. The amount of memory claimed is not excessive; 6800k and 5632k for application tasks and dynamic areas respectively. > [snipped] My details: NS-2012-10-07_21-57-22, RPCEmu089/RO4.02, Win7 (64-bit). george -- george greenfield
Re: NetSurf running out of memory
In message <4b6565db52.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk> John Rickman Iyonix wrote: > > I have hit three more pages that give the out of memory message using > the latest test version (netsurf-2012-10-07_21-57-22/zip) > > click on: http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/kinder.htm > > This will show a page of images. > Click on either the bicycle or the kayak and (on my Iyonix running > 5.18) a warning message pops up saying that NetSurf is running out of > memory and the URL is not displayed. > > If someone can confirm that this is not unique to my setup I will post > a bug report. > No problem with memory here. The site links work also. Memory use ((NS-2012-10-07_21-57-22, RPCEmu089/RO4.02, Win7 (64-bit) for NetSurf is 6816k (application tasks) and 22208k (dynamic areas). George -- george greenfield
Re: Could someone look at
In message <52db26483astuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk> lists wrote: > Could someone else take a look at: > > http://www.audon.co.uk/usb_scopes/gcr101.html > > Here it looks like the page is about 200 yards wide. > > Netsurf 2.9 (27th Feb 2012) > Same here. (NS-2012-10-07_21-57-22, RPCEmu089/RO4.02, Win7 (64-bit). George -- george greenfield
Re: Crashes on sites with frames
In message <52da7837d7chr...@care4free.net>
Chris Gransden wrote:
> Platform RISC OS
> OS5.19 on Pandaboard
> version netsurf-2012-10-06_14-18-18/zip
> browsing http://www.archivemag.co.uk
> error log
>
[snipped]
The site displays here without crashing, but the 'Archive' page header
is partially obscured by the frame below ('A monthly magazine for
users of RISC OS'), so is not displaying correctly. The links to the
left seem to work OK, as do the sliders.
(NS-2012-10-02_20-23-02, running on RPCEmu 0.8.9/RO 4.02 on Win7
(64-bit) PC).
George
--
george greenfield
Re: Request for feedback
In message <52da69197bt...@netsurf-browser.org> Michael Drake wrote: > In article <800067da52.geo...@tiscali..co.uk>, > george greenfield wrote: > >> BTW, a small plea to the developers: could the current release details >> be reinstated under 'Info' (Menu over NetSurf icon)? This (if >> possible) would make it easier to give NS release details when bug >> reporting. At the moment it just says '3.0 (Development)'. > > Please see: > http://www.mail-archive.com/netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org/msg04243.html > All clear - thanks. -- george greenfield
Re: Request for feedback
In message "Chris Young" wrote: > Platform: AmigaOS 4.1 > File: NetSurf-2012-10-05_23-21-14.lha > URL: http://www.danvk.org/wp/dragtable > > The above site freezes NetSurf as it fetches/displays. I can't > reproduce on the same Windows auto-build and have no way of testing on > any of the other builds currently. > > Chris > No problem with that site here (NS-2012-10-02_20-23-02, running on RPCEmu 0.8.9/RO 4.02 on Win7 (64-bit) PC). BTW, a small plea to the developers: could the current release details be reinstated under 'Info' (Menu over NetSurf icon)? This (if possible) would make it easier to give NS release details when bug reporting. At the moment it just says '3.0 (Development)'. George -- george greenfield
Re: User feedback requested (esp. RISC OS)
In message Alan Leighton wrote: > In message <506be1e3.1010...@druck.org.uk> > "David J. Ruck" wrote: > >> On 02/10/2012 18:49, Vincent Sanders wrote: >>> * The Continuous Integration (CI) builds are produced for the >>> NetSurf Developers. > >> In which case to avoid the confusion which has enviably arisen, please >> can information and discussion on the CI builds be posted to >> netsurf-developers mailing list, and netsurf-users be kept for >> discussion of release and beta builds. > >> With all due respect, there are a large number of users on netsurf-users >> who will not be able to produce bug reports of sufficient detail from >> the CI build to be useful to developers, and are best sticking to the >> beta builds to avoid undue distribution to both themselves and developers. > > Could not put it better David for many of us it is wait for the next, > for the beta builds, Thanks, Alan > [snip] If you want stability, use 2.9. If you want to help development of 3.0 and can tolerate the occasional crash/freeze*, use the latest builds. Simples. George (*as it clearly states on the Netsurf site, use of the development builds is at the user's risk. As for quality of bug reports, it is alwasy open to the developers to ask for more/better info on any particular report. FWIW, I have found the 28-9_19-54-37 build to be both much faster and stable on my RPCEmu 0.8.9/4.02 Win7 installation) -- george greenfield
Re: User feedback requested (esp. RISC OS)
In message <52d6e2c396t...@netsurf-browser.org> Michael Drake wrote: > > Hi, > > We have done quite a bit of development since we last issued test builds > and we have also changed our autobuilding infrastructure completely. With > these changes we are now building NetSurf builds with far more up-to-date > versions of 3rd party libraries, and it is now quite trivial to keep them > up-to-date. > > It would help us if people could test the new builds and let us know how > you get on. > > > CAUTION: SAVE ALL WORK BEFORE RUNNING THESE BUILDS > > We have at least one case of NetSurf freezing a > RISC OS Iyonix such that it needs to be reset. > > > New builds are available from: > > http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/ (Use the latest one available) > > > If you try one of the new builds, please let us know: > > + which front end (e.g. RISC OS, Amiga, etc) > + which version of the OS > + whether there was a problem > > what was happening when it went wrong > + what the download file name of the NetSurf version you tried was > > Cheers, > I'm using the 3.0 development build 2012-09-28_19-54-37 on RPCEmu 0.8.9/RISC OS 4.02 on a Windows 7 (64-bit) PC. Got a run of 'Base stylesheet failed to load' errors, but quitting and reloading Netsurf 3.0 restored normal service. Seems fine so far, and nippier than 2.9. Good work! George -- george greenfield
Re: Barclays internet banking has stopped working
In message <5281bd3323alan_cal...@o2.co.uk> Alan Calder wrote: > In article <110fbb8152.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, >Peter Young wrote: >> On 17 Apr 2012 george greenfield >> wrote: > > [Snip] > >> > Has anyone managed to do internet banking with Barclays using NetSurf? > >> There has been a lot about this on c.s.a.misc, and it seems that >> NetSurf can't access this site, as you say. Some people, not all, it >> seems, have got in using Fresco. > >> It looks as if the days of doing internet banking with NetSurf are on >> the wane. > > As you say, Netsurf can't handle the new Barclays' site. However it does > work fine with my Bank of Scotland account. A little slowly on this RPC > but everything I've tried seems to work OK. Presumably Halifax clients > should be OK as well, BoS and Halifax being connected. > > Maybe frustrated Barclays users should just jump ship? > The annoying thing is, they (Barclays web design dept) probably don't even realise they've broken a perfectly serviceable site. You've got to log in to send a complaining email, so logging in successfully deprives this particular complaint of much, if not all, of its force: 'Well the thing is, I prefer to use my antiquated computer with its limited-functionality browser instead of a world-class browser on my shiny Win7 PC to do internet banking...'. You see my point. As to shifting to a NetSurf-friendly bank, how long is that likely to remain the case? The world and his dog seem to require javascript nowadays. George -- george greenfield
Barclays internet banking has stopped working
Hi I'm using r13571 and since the last makeover of the Barclays internet banking site, login fails just after the point where the pinsentry 2 x 4-digit random number has been entered; hitting return used to gain entry to the account home page, it now produces an 'Error 5. Internet banking is not available' message. Logging in on a js-enabled Firefox/WinPC is possible however, so the site does still work. Has anyone managed to do internet banking with Barclays using NetSurf? George -- george greenfield
Re: Digest mode
In message <52782a9951evanal...@talktalk.net> wrote: > In article , george greenfield > wrote: >> I did enable it; it arrives; I tend to ignore it. > > Perhaps you ought to disable it? > You mean I ought to take control of my life? Steady on... -- george greenfield
Re: Digest mode
In message <8d001425ead6b919cdaeed0ce55f3f6b-EhVcX1lFRQVaRwYcDTpQCEFdd qzlvf5dqunbajbbxkngv10mqv13b0ttwzbeqkybx1tcrlfv-webmail...@server02.webmailer.ho steurope.de> m0n0 wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 29.03.2012, 11:55 +0200 schrieb george greenfield > : > >> I too prefer individual messages, for same reasons as Richard states. >> I tend to ignore the digest, TBH. > > > Sorry, I don't understand. > Digest mode can be selected by the user, right? So if you don't enable > it, you won't get > it. How can you ignore something which isn't there? > > Greets, > m > I did enable it; it arrives; I tend to ignore it. George -- george greenfield
Re: netsurf-users Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6
In message Richard Porter wrote: > On 29 Mar 2012 Tricia Garner wrote: > >> How can one lng email with all the replies in all the threads >> which people haven't snipped repeated again and again possibly be >> less annoying than 40 emails? Just curious. > > I quite agree. With 40 messages properly threaded it's easy just to > ignore topics that you're not interested in. With digests you have to > plough through everything, and then of course you have the problem of > how to post a reply. > I too prefer individual messages, for same reasons as Richard states. I tend to ignore the digest, TBH. George -- george greenfield
