Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
Dear all Just to let you know that with the able and willing assistance of John-Mark Bell we have solved the problem. I had an out-of-date version of a module installed, called CryptRandom. Originally (when Netsurf reported it needed CryptRand) I'd Googled for CryptRandom and the search results delivered 1 June 2012...Current version is 0.03 I had version 0.12 installed. Naturally I had (mistakenly as it turned out) assumed that version 0.12 was later than version 0.03, whereas in fact the latest version is in fact 0.13. I daresay you probably all have got version 0.13 anyway but just to make you aware if you haven't! Thanks again to John-Mark and the team best, -- Chris
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
In article 63e60e1153.ch...@cdewhurst2010.btinternet.com, Christoper Dewhurst cdewhurst2...@btinternet.com wrote: Dear all Just to let you know that with the able and willing assistance of John-Mark Bell we have solved the problem. I had an out-of-date version of a module installed, called CryptRandom. Originally (when Netsurf reported it needed CryptRand) I'd Googled for CryptRandom and the search results delivered 1 June 2012...Current version is 0.03 I had version 0.12 installed. Naturally I had (mistakenly as it turned out) assumed that version 0.12 was later than version 0.03, whereas in fact the latest version is in fact 0.13. I daresay you probably all have got version 0.13 anyway but just to make you aware if you haven't! Thanks again to John-Mark and the team Thanks for letting us know. New versions can be obtained from... http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~theom/riscos/crypto/index.html Richard
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
Hi John In message 1357543705.19631.12.camel@duiker John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: On Sat, 2013-01-05 at 17:21 +, Christoper Dewhurst wrote: Hi all There is a discussion over on the ROOL site about Netsurf crashing on my Beagleboard: https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/11/topics/1610?page=1 Tried switching everything off/on/round in the options, checking other apps aren't running etc. but with no success, Does anyone have any ideas what might be going wrong? Not with the information you have provided so far. Please provide a NetSurf log file from the crash. The error boxes Internal error on data transfer at followed immediately by Filecore in use render the machine unusable, i.e. it nearly freezes (nearly meaning when you move the mouse the pointer will respond after about 5 seconds but otherwise does not respond to input.) So unfortunately is not possible to provide you with Netsurf's log file. I'm not sure Netsurf it gets as far as generating a log file - but if it does is a way of setting it up to dump to predetermined location on hard disc? thanks Chris J -- Chris
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
In message 201301062316.36673.sjvoort...@gmail.com Simon Voortman sjvoort...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chris, [snip] That leads me to think: what is your desktop screen setting? Mine is ARMini modes (extreme) 1280 x 1024. ARMini standard modes, 16 M, 1280 x 1024 @ 60 Hz Image memory Direct and Compressed - Automatic handling Tinct 0.14 (25 Apr 2009) [fr] Alignment exceptions off RISC OS 5.19 (05-Dec-12) Beagleboard-xM Not sure about ARMini Standard modes but my desktop on ARMini extreme is also 1280 x 1024 @ 60Hz Image memory Direct and Compressed - Automatic handling Tinct 0.14 (25 Apr 2009) Alignment exceptions on RISC OS 5.19 (23-Dec-12) Beagleboard-xM I don't know if this is relevant, but still. *status shows: ScreenSize 160k SpriteSize 0k Ditto ScreenSize 160k SpriteSize 0K Not that I ever had to do something special to get NetSurf working on the Beagleboard (besides setting Alignment exceptions off) that I remember... It's only recently I've started to use the Beagleboard in anger as I try to move away from the Iyonix for my main machine. Previously I hadn't done a lot of browsing with Netsurf on the Beagleboard to notice the problem so can't say for sure whether it might be reflashing with RISC OS 5.19 (23-Dec-12), for example, that could have caused the problem. Anyway thanks for the input Simon :) Chris Simon. -- Chris
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
In message a9106e0a53.ch...@cdewhurst2010.btinternet.com Christoper Dewhurst cdewhurst2...@btinternet.com wrote: I'm not sure Netsurf it gets as far as generating a log file - but if it does is a way of setting it up to dump to predetermined location on hard disc? The log file for NetSurf is in !Scrap.ScrapDirs.ScrapDir.WWW.NetSurf and it seems to survive a reboot. -- Kev Wells http://riscos.kevsoft.co.uk/ http://kevsoft.co.uk/ http://kevsoft.co.uk/AleQuest/ ICQ 238580561 Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
In article a9106e0a53.ch...@cdewhurst2010.btinternet.com, Christoper Dewhurst cdewhurst2...@btinternet.com wrote: I'm not sure Netsurf it gets as far as generating a log file - but if it does is a way of setting it up to dump to predetermined location on hard disc? In the !NetSurf application directory, there is an Obey file called OpenScrap. Run it and the log file, called Log, will be in the directory that opens. -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
In article 530a75t...@netsurf-browser.org, Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: In the !NetSurf application directory, there is an Obey file called OpenScrap. Run it and the log file, called Log, will be in the directory that opens. Would a menu item 'Open Logfile' be more accessible? John
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
In article 530a771ff6joh...@ukgateway.net, John Williams joh...@ukgateway.net wrote: Would a menu item 'Open Logfile' be more accessible? While NetSurf's running, the Log file is open and being written to. You can't open it in a text editor. You can only see the Log from the last time NetSurf was running, and it is overwritten if you run NetSurf again. -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
On Mon, 2013-01-07 at 18:38 +, Christoper Dewhurst wrote: Hi John In message 1357543705.19631.12.camel@duiker John-Mark Bell j...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: On Sat, 2013-01-05 at 17:21 +, Christoper Dewhurst wrote: Hi all Does anyone have any ideas what might be going wrong? Not with the information you have provided so far. Please provide a NetSurf log file from the crash. The error boxes Internal error on data transfer at followed immediately by Filecore in use render the machine unusable, i.e. it nearly freezes (nearly meaning when you move the mouse the pointer will respond after about 5 seconds but otherwise does not respond to input.) Sadly, you've elided the most important part of the error report; namely the address at which it happens. What, precisely, does contain in this message? J.
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
In message 530a75t...@netsurf-browser.org Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: In article a9106e0a53.ch...@cdewhurst2010.btinternet.com, Christoper Dewhurst cdewhurst2...@btinternet.com wrote: I'm not sure Netsurf it gets as far as generating a log file - but if it does is a way of setting it up to dump to predetermined location on hard disc? In the !NetSurf application directory, there is an Obey file called OpenScrap. Run it and the log file, called Log, will be in the directory that opens. thanks Michael, managed to extract the Log manually as per my previous post but useful to know of the existence of that OpenScrap obey file! -- Chris
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
Hi John Sadly, you've elided the most important part of the error report; namely the address at which it happens. What, precisely, does contain in this message? It changes each time however some examples are: 202A4D70 202C8430 202B48B0 (so I guess all in the region 2020) hope that helps Chris.
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
On Mon, 2013-01-07 at 21:08 +, CHRISTOPHER DEWHURST wrote: Hi John Sadly, you've elided the most important part of the error report; namely the address at which it happens. What, precisely, does contain in this message? It changes each time however some examples are: 202A4D70 202C8430 202B48B0 (so I guess all in the region 2020) Right, so the abort is in a module. Please do the following: 1) Run NetSurf 2) Open a TaskWindow, and run *modules 3) Save the contents of the TaskWindow to a file 4) Do whatever it is you do to provoke the crash 5) Note down the exact value of Then, send me the value you noted in step 5 and the file you saved in step 3. Thanks, J.
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
In article 1357592886.56899.yahoomailclas...@web87401.mail.ir2.yahoo.com, CHRISTOPHER DEWHURST cdewhurst2...@btinternet.com wrote: It changes each time however some examples are: You might find the utility 'Where' is of use. It will tell you in which module the address is. Unfortunately a total crash will not allow where to be run. However, if it is in an OS module, the address may be in the same module once the machine is rebooted. Note the hex address and then do a *where . http://www.armclub.org.uk/32bit/ -- Chris Johnson
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
In message 530978d64ct...@netsurf-browser.org Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: None of the developers have BeagleBoards. (Unless Steve Fryatt does?) The only feedback we've seen from users is that they got it working by setting NetSurf's image rendering options to Use OS, which bypasses the ARMv6/7 unsafe Tinct module. Without Tinct you lose error diffusion in low colour screen modes and also alpha channel support, so this isn't ideal. Thanks Michael - have already tried switching to Use OS but alas with the same results. In message 57904.82.153.33.53.1357420949.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co .uk Gerald Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote: No but I have yet to get it working without crashing on mine. Gerald Ok, at least I am not the only one Gerald! Everyone who has replied so far on the ROOL forum has been lucky enough to have it working on their Beaglebaord. -- Chris
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
Hi list, On Sunday 06 January 2013 20:57:27 Christoper Dewhurst wrote: In message 530978d64ct...@netsurf-browser.org Michael Drake t...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: None of the developers have BeagleBoards. (Unless Steve Fryatt does?) The only feedback we've seen from users is that they got it working by setting NetSurf's image rendering options to Use OS, which bypasses the ARMv6/7 unsafe Tinct module. Without Tinct you lose error diffusion in low colour screen modes and also alpha channel support, so this isn't ideal. Thanks Michael - have already tried switching to Use OS but alas with the same results. How many colours are you using? I am one of the people who's using NetSurf on a Beagleboard, image quality is set at Error diffused and Dithered, BUT... I have to use 256 or 16 M colours. If I dare to use 32 k colours, as soon as Netsurf has to redraw some graphics, I'm getting an errorbox which tells me NetSurf has detected a serious error and must exit. Maybe you can give that a try. Simon.
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
In message 201301062148.04350.sjvoort...@gmail.com Simon Voortman sjvoort...@gmail.com wrote: How many colours are you using? I am one of the people who's using NetSurf on a Beagleboard, image quality is set at Error diffused and Dithered, BUT... I have to use 256 or 16 M colours. If I dare to use 32 k colours, as soon as Netsurf has to redraw some graphics, I'm getting an errorbox which tells me NetSurf has detected a serious error and must exit. Hi Simon thanks for that suggestion. I am on 16 M colours. I tried 256 colours, Error diffused and Dithered and got the NetSurf has detected a serious error... box. The same with 32 k colours. Now, it does seem that the desktop settings are a factor because changing the colour depth definitely trips something up... That leads me to think: what is your desktop screen setting? Mine is ARMini modes (extreme) 1280 x 1024. thanks Chris. Maybe you can give that a try. Simon. -- Chris
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
Hi Chris, On Sunday 06 January 2013 22:14:35 Christoper Dewhurst wrote: In message 201301062148.04350.sjvoort...@gmail.com Simon Voortman sjvoort...@gmail.com wrote: How many colours are you using? I am one of the people who's using NetSurf on a Beagleboard, image quality is set at Error diffused and Dithered, BUT... I have to use 256 or 16 M colours. If I dare to use 32 k colours, as soon as Netsurf has to redraw some graphics, I'm getting an errorbox which tells me NetSurf has detected a serious error and must exit. thanks for that suggestion. I am on 16 M colours. I tried 256 colours, Error diffused and Dithered and got the NetSurf has detected a serious error... box. The same with 32 k colours. It's a pity that didn't work! That leads me to think: what is your desktop screen setting? Mine is ARMini modes (extreme) 1280 x 1024. ARMini standard modes, 16 M, 1280 x 1024 @ 60 Hz Image memory Direct and Compressed - Automatic handling Tinct 0.14 (25 Apr 2009) [fr] Alignment exceptions off RISC OS 5.19 (05-Dec-12) Beagleboard-xM I don't know if this is relevant, but still. *status shows: ScreenSize 160k SpriteSize 0k Not that I ever had to do something special to get NetSurf working on the Beagleboard (besides setting Alignment exceptions off) that I remember... Simon.
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
On Sat, 2013-01-05 at 17:21 +, Christoper Dewhurst wrote: Hi all There is a discussion over on the ROOL site about Netsurf crashing on my Beagleboard: https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/11/topics/1610?page=1 Tried switching everything off/on/round in the options, checking other apps aren't running etc. but with no success, Does anyone have any ideas what might be going wrong? Not with the information you have provided so far. Please provide a NetSurf log file from the crash. J
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
On Sun, 2013-01-06 at 21:48 +0100, Simon Voortman wrote: How many colours are you using? I am one of the people who's using NetSurf on a Beagleboard, image quality is set at Error diffused and Dithered, BUT... I have to use 256 or 16 M colours. If I dare to use 32 k colours, as soon as Netsurf has to redraw some graphics, I'm getting an errorbox which tells me NetSurf has detected a serious error and must exit. This is precisely the symptom expected if you have not configured image rendering to Use OS. The Tinct module performs unaligned data accesses when rendering images in 32k modes. J.
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
On Sun, 2013-01-06 at 23:16 +0100, Simon Voortman wrote: Not that I ever had to do something special to get NetSurf working on the Beagleboard (besides setting Alignment exceptions off) that I remember... There is no reason to disable alignment exceptions: NetSurf works perfectly well with them enabled. J.
RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
Hi all There is a discussion over on the ROOL site about Netsurf crashing on my Beagleboard: https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/11/topics/1610?page=1 Tried switching everything off/on/round in the options, checking other apps aren't running etc. but with no success, Does anyone have any ideas what might be going wrong? thanks. -- Chris
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
Hi all There is a discussion over on the ROOL site about Netsurf crashing on my Beagleboard: https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/11/topics/1610?page=1 Tried switching everything off/on/round in the options, checking other apps aren't running etc. but with no success, Does anyone have any ideas what might be going wrong? No but I have yet to get it working without crashing on mine. Gerald
Re: RISC OS Netsurf on Beagleboard
In article 57904.82.153.33.53.1357420949.squir...@email.orpheusnet.co.uk, Gerald Dodson gerald.dod...@argonet.co.uk wrote: Does anyone have any ideas what might be going wrong? No but I have yet to get it working without crashing on mine. None of the developers have BeagleBoards. (Unless Steve Fryatt does?) The only feedback we've seen from users is that they got it working by setting NetSurf's image rendering options to Use OS, which bypasses the ARMv6/7 unsafe Tinct module. Without Tinct you lose error diffusion in low colour screen modes and also alpha channel support, so this isn't ideal. -- Michael Drake (tlsa) http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
