[newbie] Telnet server doesn't start
Hello! I have a few questions regarding the Telnet and FTP servers. TOPIC 1 They don't run: I cannot connect, locally or remotely, to my system or FTP. Details: --They worked before, but then I fiddled around with inetd.conf and I don't remember what I turned off (commented out). --The 'telnet' and 'ftp' lines in inetd.conf exist, and are uncommented. --Everything else is commented out. Questions: End goal: How can I run these services again? 1) Do I need to add anything to inetd.conf? 2) WHERE are the FTP server and Telnet server executables? 3) Will I need to poke around in rc.d? 4) If there is an easy way, what is it? TOPIC 2 How can I change the port number for the FTP server? Where do I do this? Thank you very much!
[newbie] weird double icons in K menu
Hi, i recently reinstalled Mandrake on my laptop but did not reformat the /usr and /home partitions. When i fiired up K again, there were duplicates of most of the menu items. I assume this means that somewhere I have 2 of some configuration file. Basically everything on the K menu is now dupliicated. Any ideas how I could return to one instance of each? Thanks in advance! Gregg
[newbie] Blackdown JDK install trouble
Hi all, I'm trying to install the Blackdown JDK RPM that comes with L-M 6.1 Power Pack. I am gettng an error sayng: libodbcinst.so is needed by jdk1.2pre-v2-1mdk libodbc.so is needed by jdk1.2pre-v2-1mdk Are these files on the CD somewhere? Can anyone gve me any hints? I'm sure a lot of folks have tried exactly this. Anyone have the same experience? Thanks in advance for any ideas. Gregg
[newbie] new version beta test
I have 6.1 version of Mandrake linux. Having trouble getting on internet - server for mach64 and domain not bound. Would like to test the new version - 7.0! Phil Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
Re: [newbie] Hello?
You and me both - had to re subscribe. John the Nadger Same here. SuperDan
[newbie] Looking for a suggestion
Am running Linux-Mandrake 6 and using WP8 as my word processor. I need a spreadsheet program that would import Lotus123 files but do not want to get into a bloated suite, like StarOffice. Anyone working happily with a graphic stand alone spreadsheet? -- Michael Coady TV is not simply a means of communication but more of an unconscious architecture in which we live -Wm I Thompson
[newbie] Test -- Please ignore
Hi folks if this is recieved, please ignore it.This is just a test to see if the Newbie list has croaked. G. Merten
[newbie] Netscape text
Although the resolution for my monitor is fine in general, Netscape displays pages with miniscule text, making it almost impossible to read. Is there any way to correct this without changing my resolution? Thanks Bill
RE: [newbie] From Unixware to Mandrake... Memory Corruption Problems ?
hey john do you remember where you signed up for this newbie service i would like to get out of this it's to many emails for me? kennedy rivers -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 7:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] From Unixware to Mandrake... Memory Corruption Problems ? On Wed, 05 Jan 2000, you wrote: Halt command during the shutdown process causes "Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 872f" Disable APM and this will go away. It's a "known bug" in most of the kernels since I"ve been playing with Linux (almost exactly one year now.) The hardware seems OK, although I'd suggest pulling the RAM and having it tested THOROUGHLY! That's most often the culprit when you're having system problems. It may just need to have the contacts cleaned. John
Re: [newbie] Hello?
The mail must have stopped, nothing since this morning? Sean --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the usual heavy traffic from this list? Received nothing since Friday Bryan __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
[newbie] what is linux-up?
I installed linux 6.1 and also lilo to go with it. At the lilo prompt there are 3 options that I can choose. There is "DOS", "linux", also "linux -up". Now, I don't know what's the difference between "linux" and "linux-up". Also, if I boot under "linux" I can't shutdown the machine as it would hang forever on the last message which is the "power off". On the contrary, the machine will shutdown normally if I boot under "linux-up". Can anybody explain this to me this?. I think it really does affect anything but it's good just to know it anyway, right? Thanks in advance.:-) __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [newbie] Hello?
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Re: [newbie] Star Office install
Hello? anyone out there? Awful quite sean --- M Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I typed "tar -xvf so.something.something.tar" and all went well. HTH, Matt From: "Joseph S. Gardner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Star Office install Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:52:22 -0500 OK, I spent 4 hours d/l'ing SO5.1.a created a directory in my /etc/share/ as root and copied the tarball there. I must be brain dead or something but typing "tar xv so.something.something.tar" just gets me a dumb look on the behalf of my monitor. tried "tar -xv so.something.something.tar" as well although I didn't think I needed to add the "-" and got the same response. Humbly -- Joseph S. Gardner Senior Designer / Technical Support Kirby Co., Cleveland, OH [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
[newbie] GTK install
Here is my question; I am attempting to install GTK 1.2.5 but it does not complete the ./configure. This is the messege I get. checking for glib-config... no checking for GLIB - version = 1.2.4... no ***The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found ***If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in ***your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG enviroment variable to the ***full path to glib-config. configure: error: ***GLIB 1.2.4 or better is required. The latest version of GLIB ***is always available from ftp://ftp.gtk.org/. [root@scarieville gtk+-1.2.5]# Now I know that I have glib-config in /usr/local/bin, and I know that I have GLIB 1.2.6 because I installed it after the first time I tried to install GTK. GLIB installed as far as I can tell correctly. How do I set the GLIB_CONFIG enviroment to the full path? "5]# #GLIB_CONFIG /root/usr/local/bin/glib-config"enter? Sean __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] Hello?
Well I have received -some- mail from the list, but the volume has been way down the last 34 days. So I , like most apparently, resubscribed and the mail picked up but is still only 25% of what it used to be. So I would have to say there has been a mass exodus and whoever knows exactly what happened has no inclination to tell us. Possibly people just got tired of childish vulgarity, off topic BS and being told to check the archives when it would be just as easy to answer the question? Larry I'm here, but I just joined this list 20 minutes ago. It does seem a bit slow, especially for a Linux newbie list. - Steve On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Josh McCaffrey wrote: Anybody left on the list? I start to wonder what's going on if I don't receive any mail for 3 days...
[newbie] missing
What has happened to newbie? I have not received any posts for 3 days. -- -- James Mellema, CRNA MA --- Linux User #71650 ICQ #19685870
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Re: [newbie] Hello?
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:02:51 -0600, you wrote: Well I have received -some- mail from the list, but the volume has been way down the last 34 days. So I , like most apparently, resubscribed and the mail picked up but is still only 25% of what it used to be. So I would have to say there has been a mass exodus and whoever knows exactly what happened has no inclination to tell us. Hardly a mass exodus. And there were more than enough indications that there was a problem with the list server. Its pretty apparent that they lost the database, reinstalled an old one, which is why at first folks that had unsubscribed were suddenly resubscribed. They couldnt fix that and just re-initialized the database, which simply meant that everyone who HAD been subscribed would have to resubscribe...which is what is happening in dribs and drabs. The mass exodus theory? LOL Possibly people just got tired of childish vulgarity, off topic BS and being told to check the archives when it would be just as easy to answer the question? So you have a problem with checking the archives? Sometimes it is easy to answer a question that is asked 20 times a week. But some questions involve more than one or two sentences. Which is why folks are told to check the archive for their answer first. Simply much easier than the same folks having to answer the same questions over and over and over, wouldnt you say? Or do you have endless time on your hands? Larry I'm here, but I just joined this list 20 minutes ago. It does seem a bit slow, especially for a Linux newbie list. - Steve On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Josh McCaffrey wrote: Anybody left on the list? I start to wonder what's going on if I don't receive any mail for 3 days...
[newbie] Ouestion about list
Has this list gotten real quiet? As In dead ? :) -- "I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere."
Re: [newbie] Ouestion about list
Never mind I seem to have been removed from the list. Does anyone know what happened? Seems to have happened last week around Friday or Saturday On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, you wrote: Has this list gotten real quiet? As In dead ? :) -- "I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere." -- "I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere."
Re: [newbie] UDMA 66
Read http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/hardware/udma66.html . I have a UDMA66 (ATA66) hard drive... is there any version of LINUX i can run???
Re: [newbie] Netscape text
Start Netscape, go to EDIT, PREFERENCES and then choose FONTS under the APPEARANCE. Now you can choose the font style abd size for variable and fixed font widths. - Original Message - From: "William Kranec" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 9:59 PM Subject: [newbie] Netscape text Although the resolution for my monitor is fine in general, Netscape displays pages with miniscule text, making it almost impossible to read. Is there any way to correct this without changing my resolution? Thanks Bill
[newbie] kppp: Initializing modem...
Hi, I'd like to know why I can't get connected. I seem to have configured kppp properly, but when I want to connect all it does is write "Initializing modem..." and that's it! I don't have any error message and the Modem Query detected my modem, which is an external USRobotics 14,4 Modem (on Mandrake 6.1) which should be compatible. Anyone know what the problem might be? Thanks, Yann ___ Do You Yahoo!? Achetez, vendez! À votre prix! Sur http://encheres.yahoo.fr
[newbie] Squid Proxy
Just a quick question, how do you set up squid to allow all ports to be used? Example, where I am working, we use PC anywhere which uses port 2000. Squid nixes all requests to port 2000. Since this proxy server is behind a firewall, security is not an issue. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Mike Kirkpatrick
Re: [newbie] UDMA 66
Hi Joey, You'll have to do some extra work to get UDMA/ATA66 going. I also have ata66 .. the Abit-be6-II motherboard with the high-point controller. I built my computer, so for now, I stayed off the HPT-366 .. I don't have any devices connected to it. Here is a link to the HPT-366 -Howto http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~b6506063/hpt366/ (Read This First.) Link to kernel patches http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/hedrick/ There is also some info in the Linux Mandrake - newbie mailing list .. under support / mailing list ..off the mandrake webpage. I'm using Mandrake 6.1 - kernel 2.2.13-7mdk. (Power Pack) I'm going to try and shift off to the HPT-366 sometime later, but got to patch things up first. Sorry, but that is about all I can tell you. HTH Mark - Original Message - From: "Joey Lapegna" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 1998 6:09 PM Subject: [newbie] UDMA 66 I have a UDMA66 (ATA66) hard drive... is there any version of LINUX i can run???
Re: [newbie] Netscape text
At 04:59 00-01-11 +, you wrote: Although the resolution for my monitor is fine in general, Netscape displays pages with miniscule text, making it almost impossible to read. Is there any way to correct this without changing my resolution? Thanks Bill --- [POLBOX - REKLAMA] - Zagraj mecz z Fibakiem - www.aukcje-online.pl Platforma - najwiekszy serwis aukcji internetowych w Polsce. I have the same problem and I can't find any solucion that works well. I tried to change fonts in options but it doesn't work like I'd like to. So, keep looking and drop me a line if you will fix it. Good luck DANEK --- [POLBOX - REKLAMA] - Zagraj mecz z Fibakiem - www.aukcje-online.pl Platforma - najwiekszy serwis aukcji internetowych w Polsce.
[newbie] ip masquerading
G'day! I'm trying to get ip masquerading working, so far without success...I'm running Mandrake 6.1 and have a Win95 machine I want to access the net with. The two local machines can ping each other and the internet connection on the Mandrake machine is working fine. I had the ip masquerading working fine under OS/2 on what is now the Mandrake machine. The two local machines use ip's of 10.0.2.15 and 10.0.2.16 and the ip for the internet connection is dynamically allocated. As per various help files I've issued an: 'echo "1" /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' and also played with the options in Linuxconf as shown at: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/userguide/En/008.html#153 But cannot get it workingcan anyone shed some light on this please? -Ross
Re: [[newbie] kppp: Initializing modem...]
Yann Grenier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd like to know why I can't get connected. I seem to have configured kppp properly, but when I want to connect all it does is write "Initializing modem..." and that's it! I don't have any error message and the Modem Query detected my modem, which is an external USRobotics 14,4 Modem (on Mandrake 6.1) which should be compatible. Anyone know what the problem might be? Thanks, Yann What response do you get when you hit "query modem"? Have you set your port speed appropriately? For a 14.4 modem try a port speed of 28.8, or 19.2. Mike ## Michael Scottaline Linux 2.2.13 ## Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [newbie] UDMA 66
Hello again, Forgot .. something here too. http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~b6506063/hpt366/ Mark - Original Message - From: "Joey Lapegna" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 02, 1998 6:09 PM Subject: [newbie] UDMA 66 I have a UDMA66 (ATA66) hard drive... is there any version of LINUX i can run???
Re: [newbie] UDMA 66
You can run every version of Linux with an ATA66 hard drive. More specifically, you should be focused on the UDMA controller that you are using. Is you hard drive connected to a UDMA controller? If so, what is the controller? Matt From: "Joey Lapegna" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] UDMA 66 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 17:09:18 -0500 I have a UDMA66 (ATA66) hard drive... is there any version of LINUX i can run??? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
[newbie] checking to
Checking to see if list is down or have I been dropped from the list. Haven't received anything since friday. Jeff
Re: [newbie] GTK install
Sean, I'm having a similar problem with my installation. I was able to fix the message you're getting by entering the following when installing glib: ./configure --prefix=/usr/ because the old glib files are in /usr/lib/, and this overwrites them. I then got a message about it not being able to find my x libraries. "X libraries or included files not found" Any help on this would be appreciated. Bill sean wrote: Here is my question; I am attempting to install GTK 1.2.5 but it does not complete the ./configure. This is the messege I get. checking for glib-config... no checking for GLIB - version = 1.2.4... no ***The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found ***If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in ***your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG enviroment variable to the ***full path to glib-config. configure: error: ***GLIB 1.2.4 or better is required. The latest version of GLIB ***is always available from ftp://ftp.gtk.org/. [root@scarieville gtk+-1.2.5]# Now I know that I have glib-config in /usr/local/bin, and I know that I have GLIB 1.2.6 because I installed it after the first time I tried to install GTK. GLIB installed as far as I can tell correctly. How do I set the GLIB_CONFIG enviroment to the full path? "5]# #GLIB_CONFIG /root/usr/local/bin/glib-config"enter? Sean __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] Communications program -- recommendations?
Will KPPP work for you? Matt From: Benjamin Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Helios-New [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Communications program -- recommendations? Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:41:03 -0600 Dear friends: Since My Bellsouth ADSL server occasionally is down, I decided to add an external modem and connect to local Unix FreeNet here in New Orleans. I was told that to connect to the Unix Free Net I will need a communications program ("minicomm" was suggested but I could not find it), and that way, I was told, I could connect to their computer by dial-up vt100 or vt102. I have looked at Tucows but couldn't find anything. I would like to use the communications program in XWindows, that is, in konsole, if necessary. Would appreciate your help with this matter. Any recommendations? Thanks so much. Benjamin -- Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
RE: [newbie] Configure X Error
Additional Info Machine: HP Pavillion 7125 P133 64 megs ram Graphics: S3 2megs vram IDE Drives (2) 1.6 gig for boot (/), 2.1 gig for swap and /home Boot from floppy since CD is not available for boot Machine is dedicated to Linux, nothing else on either drive Thanks, John -Original Message- From: Stephen Britton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 3:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [newbie] Configure X Error I'm a Mandrake newbie myself, but I have installed it on three different machines without any problems. Could you give me more info about the machine you are trying to install Linux on. The type of hard drive (IDE or SCSI), the brand of video card (like S3 Virge, Diamond Fire, Matrox, etc., and the amount of VRAM on it), and how are you trying to boot? Are you trying to boot from a floppy and then using a CD-ROM or are you trying to boot from the CD. And lastly, are you going to run Linux off a partitioned drive - a machine with both Windows and Linux - or is this on a machine that will be devoted solely to Linux. - Steve On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, John Morris wrote: Hi all, Brand new to Linux, I have unsuccessfuly tried to install several times but halt at the following: Autoprobe of NIC (decieded to not install network to get installation finished) Configure X error only allowing me to return to the previous step which is boot loader. I am installing native, not other operating system and have tried both Master boot record and First sector of boot partition but can not get past the Configure X error. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Re: [newbie] Sound Resouce Problem....
Just a guess, I saw this with a eth (NIC) before and it turned out to be a IRQ conflict, check to see if that is the problem. If so try and force the IRQ to another "open" IRQ in BIOS. Sean BTW; I have had to re-subscribe 5 times in past 24hrs. to get messeges, anyone else? Daniel wrote: Can anyone tell me how to solve this problem? I have installed Mandrake 6.1. And I personally installed the following:- kudzu-0.23-10mdk.i586 sndconfig-0.39-2mdk.i586 newt-0.50-12mdk.i586 Reason the sndconfig-0.34 doesn't have my VIA Chipset in the list. After I use sndconfig to probe, It does regconizes the chipset, however when it runs modprobe, it shoot out the following error message. /lib/modules/2.2.13-4mdk/misc/sb.o : init_module: device or resouce busy sound: device or resouce busy sound: device or resouce busy If any know how to solve this, can the person kind enough to show me the steps. As I'm still very new to linux. Thank you very much. __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: [newbie] Sound Resource Busy
Try to use all the sound card list until you get it work it works for me, I 've got the same prob Younes Zouhair Le Mon, 10 Jan 2000, vous avez écrit : Thanks for answering. However, I actually faced that error message during the modprobe in the sndcfg itself. I'm using sndconfig_0.39. Thank you. - Original Message - From: Steven P Hull [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Sound Resource Busy Try typing "soundcfg" or sndconfig"" - Original Message - From: "Daniel Tan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 6:29 PM Subject: [newbie] Sound Resource Busy Can anyone tell me how to solve this problem? /lib/modules/2.2.13-4mdk/misc/sb.o : init_module: device or resouce busy sound: device or resouce busy sound: device or resouce busy Thank you.
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Re: [newbie] How to Dial up
Eric Richards wrote: Hi How do you dial up your ISP from Mandrake version 6.0 Netscape 4.6 (McMillan Make) KDE From Eric Use Kppp in the internet sub-menu.
Re: [newbie] SCSI card problem
--Brent, Well Bro. I quite don't know how to figure it out but thanks for the info...godbless.. Jay On Wed, 05 Jan 2000 00:37:42 Dennis wrote: On Tue, 04 Jan 2000 00:50:55 -0500 (EST), you wrote: Hey guys, I dont know what the deal is with this SCSI card. Its an AHA-152x and linux-mandrake 6.1 just wont pick it up at all, not even in the install If the card is a AHA-1520, than it has selectable IRQ and address as well as a multiple of other jumpered selections. Any of which if you have made the wrong selection could cause Linux not to detect it. Check your jumpers on the card and first make sure that you arent conflicting with another IRQ or address. See if you have enabled or disabled the bios on the card. That can make a difference. procedure. Which is wierd to me because the linux-mandrake web page says its compatible. I've got a CD-RW on it (i dont know if that means anything). Its one of the more basice scsi cards supported. Which makes me believe you have something jumpered wrong on the card. Well, if you guys have any ideas or have had troubles with this kind of card before and know what to do please help!! Or if you do have the same card and its working fine any info on the way your adaptec bios is set up would help too. Thanks a lot. ~Brent LYCOShop is now open. On your mark, get set, SHOP!!! http://shop.lycos.com/
[newbie] Networking Connectivity Problem
I've got a Windows 98 and LINUX box set up through an unmanaged hub. NIC cards and lo on both machines ping just fine. I can't seem to get the two to talk. Trying to ping the other machine, either way, fails. I've checked the hosts files, configured SAMBA and it's running, Windows networking can see itself and is enabled, protocols and all are fine. The obvious is fine, but for me obvious only goes so far. Pointers to places to look beyond the standard Networking, Net-3 and SAMBA HOWTO's? I'll check the archives again, but no luck there so far. The LINUX install went fairly well, had to do some minor fixing like what started on boot. Boot process is fine for all daemons and processes. Nothing says it's missing parts or pieces. I have root and one user login only. KDE is fine and I checked all configuration settings there also. If I get over this hurdle, the rest will be a piece of cake, (I hope). The current LINUX is 2-2-19mdk. Thanks for any and all help, pointers or encouragement. I've just about run out of thoughts on the subject. B. B.
[newbie] MS Proxy
I know this one must been asked thousands of times, but I just cannot figure it out. My Linux is behind a MS Proxy server, I tried using proxy server setting under Netscape but it always reports that "The system cannot find the file specified". On the Proxy server, we have IIS and proxy running and the port 80 is the proxy port. Please advise on where should I start looking for information on this issue. TIA Thanks Del Yang e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [newbie] how to use KDE?
You can Start KDE in two ways: The fist is typing startx at the command line: $startx other way is typing kdm at the command line: $kdm at the moment you´ll see a logon window and then you can select you windows manager. You´ll have more than kde. I hope you´ll enjoy. -Mensaje original- De: Joe Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: martes 11 de enero de 2000 20:49 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: [newbie] how to use KDE? I installed linux on my hard drive and it is running fine. How do I start KDE? Srewtape http://www.westga.edu/~stu5413 "It turns out that an eerie type of chaos can lurk just behind a facade of order - and yet, deep inside the chaos lurks an even eerie type of order." -Hofstadter
[newbie] Linux + Mainstream
Greets all! In real life i work at a Costco Warehouse, for those who dont know, its a warehouse store similar to Sam's Club. As i was walking the floor today i noticed that we started selling MacMillian(sp) Complete Linux 6.5. Right next to Win98 Upgd. How's that for mainstream? God grant Win98 boxes outnumbered Linux boxes by a factor greater than 2 to 1 but its a start eh?