[newbie] Buy ML best way? Install updates? desktops?
Good Day to everyone, I did a half ass install as a dual O/S. Then the three stooges (root, user, admin =ME) deleted all hda's and did a proper install. BIG DIFFERENCE! After years of working at a job where I had to be compatible with them, and no longer having the job, I went to a local store - LM8 was purchased. #1 - The local store is a large chain, if I am buying and it helps Linux out I would think this method- large chain store- would be the least effective. Is there a better way or am I thinking wrong? #2 - I haven't even had the little guy for a month and already he has grown to 8.1. If I wish to purchase the CD's, well, will I need to redo every thing again or will it just be certain updates, or just let my-man-drake do it or. . . . . Possible site that tells what is updated? Please. I don't know if it is out of respect or fear I am afraid to play with him. So unlike me. #3 - Is there a recycle / reuse for the older version of the CD's? (contact - www.MiniFrisbee.org??? or do I frame them under glass and hang on the wall?) #4 - I want two desktops, with each containing it's own different programs, yet they may perform the same function. An example would be- Netscape in one and a different browser/e-mail in another. Would this create a conflict Twit = Netscape - when used in the NON LX O/S. (If Netscape is used on the desktop in an HTML function non e-mail it changes the plain text mode in e-mail v 4.7?) It also persistently asks how would you like this sent even when it is set for plain text.) Sorry if anybody got hit. I believe I did, and I know who. I was unaware of this happening as I just downloaded my textbook, and was reading, following the links etc. Oh well no more, that's fine. I have not found an acceptable replacement. Sorry again, and thanks for the help and guidance. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Polite software (was RE: [newbie] Is this a joke?)
The hardware drives the software. I am an X-Electronics employee. Greedy, time equals money, perfection a must. QUALITY suffers. Many a time items are shipped off to market that are not what they claim to be. A mistake made in a production line. A deal made with the next in line, (no charge). A niche made in the market or packaged in a box that it really does not belong to. It is a game of chance by the consumer. Mark Johnson wrote: Do you think if someone or a group could provide a framework dedicated to supporting this scenario it could help open-source developers and users in terms of both time and money? Or do you think it wouldn't have a very significant effect on these inherent hurdles? Do you think such a framework is even feasible? Are most open-source developers self trained or do most have some sort of educational background like a university or tech school? (Not that there are probably too many universities or tech school that teach good software engineering) I wonder if a payed subscription to this type of framework would be effective. Would people pay to subscribe to a automatic trouble shooting repository. I'm guessing not... -Original Message- From: civileme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mark Johnson; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Re: Polite software (was RE: [newbie] Is this a joke?) This is not a gripe, just an observation, but it seems like for most people (including me) their linux system is usually in a constant state of broken-ness, or in some way always marginally handicapped. Why is that? I realize that software is difficult to write just in general and operating systems and things like desktops are even more difficult, but it appears that there is a fundamental problem with how software deals with exceptions. Well, the real story is that we don't spend enough money on software. If you want good error messages, it has to come from the programmer. The programmer needs time and training for this to happen. Right now, we are against a wall with people regularly working 14-hour days just to get a distro to you. Bugs cannot be solved because the model of inspection is proven not to work, by no less than Microsoft where every programmer is shadowed by a tester. Proper design is needed so the job gets done right the first time--then the level of bugfixes will be lower, the interaction of various pieces of software will be lesser, and the initial product will be much better. This requires training, and this training is _VERY_ expensive. Take 30 programmers out of action for 3 weeks to train them, make another three weeks by magic for them to plan out the activities of the distro, add another 5 weeks to get the text of error messages meaningful and right and translated into 40 odd languages, and pay for a couple of trainers (peanuts compared to the lost time expense) then somehow by magic keep up with the competition while you are missing half your between distro programmer time. It is expensive to have good programmers. We have the best because many are here because this is free software, but still the amount of time required for this job is enormous and most work grueling hours. So it is expensive. So if enough people really want more informative error messages and better wizards and tools, it can be done. The obstacle is really cost. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Printing from emulator? figured it out
Printing form the emulator window lp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File access- Me?,Machine?, Manual?
Michael, Thank you and wow! To try and explain I was frustrated, kept typing in correct commands and getting a response of no such file no such directory. So, I opened up the KDE module, open up the Root Directory, over half way down is a root with a lock on it. That was what I meant by my root has a root. Just following the visible tree. What it all means is I opened up the directory which leads to the root, and more. I do take things I read literal - My thinking was ROOT Directory was the root, not directory to the root. Thanks again! Kathy What you said makes sense. Except for one item, Root directory - key word is directory not root. The one item is if I am SU, does this automatically open the root file or the directory? Assuming I have it set for all access. If you 'su' without the dash, you become the root user (ie, user 'root'--basically the account which has all privileges) but it does not change to root's home directory (/root). (as stated in the man page for su: Change the effective user id and group id to that of USER.) for example: mviron@wsdo ~ $ pwd /home/members/mviron mviron@wsdo ~ $ su Password: [root@wsdo mviron]# pwd /home/members/mviron [root@wsdo mviron]# whoami root [root@wsdo mviron]# whereas with su - (or -l or --login) mviron@wsdo ~ $ pwd /home/members/mviron mviron@wsdo ~ $ su - Password: [root@wsdo /root]# pwd /root [root@wsdo /root]# If you use -, -l, or --login username su acts as if you had just logged into the machine directly as username. There are three different 'root's on a unix platform which mean 3 totally different things: 1. The root directory (/) under which all other directories connect. 2. The root user, also known as the Super-User, which has permission to do whatever you want to do (including removing all files on the hard drive), and is typically used for system administration (adding users, editing configurations and so forth). 3. The home directory for the root user (/root/) under which root's shell initialization and configuration settings are stored. The question then becomes which root are you talking about? As far as I am aware, there is no root file (unless you are considering the /root/ directory as a file). HTH, Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems Administration Consultant Web Spinners, University of West Florida Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File access- Me?,Machine?, Manual?
Paul, Thanks for the rapid response. Yes, I REALLY typed it, () Getting desperate! Trying anything. Yes I tried it without the also. Sending the list? I am on one machine using the WIN98 O/S with Netscape. The list is on the MDLIN O/S on the same machine. One thing I will explain root,root was what I visibly seen, via the KDE module, nothing else. I can't gain access that way. Maybe this is the question I should ask, I installed using DrakX. Was/Is there something else I should have done directly after installation? After installation I did go in and set up another user. Possibly the incorrect way but it worked, and works. Now since you have responded I have done or discovered the following issues - WIN O/S - Netscape How you managed to respond I don't know as I received three undeliverable for the same message. I tried to print your message out, wouldn't. It did before and will off of the network. Modem is acting up. I rebooted into Linux O/S - All items on boot screen are OK except anti virus. Fine. Typed - ls -l /cat/p* ls:invalid option --/ (may have been a spacing issue.) ls -l /cat/p* no such file or directory (No issue - plain facts) ls -l / list.txt ls:invalid option --/ Try 'ls --help' for more information. Laugh now - I typed - ls/options/help I went into Konquereor via graphic module - In the home directory a file, List.txt. it was empty. As for the other issue root, root. In KDE graphic module, Bookmarks, History, Home, Network, Root Directory, Clicked open root directory, over half way down is a locked root. It is set to where I do have access, according to it's properties. No access via graphics. Please unless you want to you do not have to respond. I responded due to FYI's for you. Because of years of dealing with issues indirectly related to all of the above items I have to make some nasty decisions. All related to environmental variables. Several which I have no control over. No dual O/S? My gut told me it wouldn't work. It is, but the fine tuned items don't, or are messing with one another. It is strange because the item messing up was recognized as a problem with the Linux O/S. Does not work with Linux O/S and it is messing up in the WIN 98 system. I could install an additional modem on the dual O/S and have each dedicated, but that may lead to more issues. I do have five different systems. I mainly deal with only three so I do have several options. Thank you! - I really do appreciate the help. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] File access- Me?,Machine?, Manual?
First I have a dual O/S. WIN98/ MandrakeLinux 8. Installed using DrakX. I have installed maybe two software programs, a few directories created. Now . . I wanted a file to print the output to the screen. Manual states cat /proc/pci Typed the following - su Password cat /proc/pci Response was pci no such file. I then did several variations, PCI, no did a root, root, etc. Response was no such file or no such directory. Then I opened KDE graphic module. Went for a visible search. Found pci file in root, bus. Then typed su password find /pci again pci no such file. Tried variations. cat /bus/pci Response No such file or directory. File visibly seen does have a big green ? on it. Am I doing something wrong or will it not find the file due to it only being recognized as a problem during the O/S install. I additionally have two bus issues, not recognized. Should pci be in the bus instead of the proc? Also my root has a root. Some of these items could be because of the dual O/S? Lots of ??? Sorry. Thanks in advance for any help. Kathy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
