RE: [newbie] Windows XP: EXtra Proprietary
guys... can u guys stop arguing about these stuffs... do u know if microsoft officials are lurking in the list, their smile are from ear to ear... do u want linux to be seperated to different camps? development hindered by disunity like unix? Go ahead and argue about small things... Microsoft is the one gaining... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sridhar Dhanapalan Sent: 02 November 2001 00:13 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Windows XP: EXtra Proprietary Are you saying that you don't trust the entire RHN just because of a bug in the software? Do you think Red Hat did it on purpose? That sounds rather unfair to me. Remember, everything is GPL, just like MandrakeOnline. There is nothing hidden here. On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 10:37:09 -0500 (EST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't trust the RedHat Network though. I had a customer that had his entire /usr/bin directory wiped out after running the RH Network daemon. It was a bloody mess. Arthur H. Johnson II The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:39:32 +1100 Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 13:40:39 -0500, Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not understand the huecry, especially from linux users, about the activation process of Windows XP, or the fact that it is tied to 1 system. This not an unheard of, or unused procedure. Red Hat has been using basicly the same in there treatment of installations since 7.1. Ummm... How? Red Hat is GPL. You can download it freely of the Internet. What's the point in a product activation copy protection scheme then? -- Yes RH is GPL, so is SuSE but you can not dowload a fully functional ISO of it. Being GPL has nothing to do with the basics action that RH leads one to beleive you must take once you have have installed RH. Read the following from the RH site: Get the most out of your Red Hat systems. Red Hat Network is an Internet solution for managing one or more Red Hat Linux systems. All Security Alerts, Bug Fix Alerts, and Enhancement Alerts (collectively known as Errata Alerts) can be retreived directly from Red Hat. You can even have updates automatically delivered directly to your system as soon as they are released. Because Red Hat Network keeps track of when Errata Updates are released and sends you email notifications, it can: Reduce the time and effort required by system administrators to stay on top of the Red Hat errata list Minimize security vulnerabilities in your network by providing the patches as soon as Red Hat releases them Filter out package updates not relevant to your network Schedule Errata Updates so that packages are delivered to selected systems when you want it To start using Red Hat Network today, follow these steps: Create a System Profile by registering your system with Red Hat Network. Just run the command rhn_register on the system. Log in to Red Hat Network and entitle the system to all the Software Manager benefits. Start scheduling updates. If you need help with these steps, refer to the Red Hat Network User Reference Guide. If you are a current Red Hat Network customer, please read The New RHN to learn what has changed and what features have been added. When you register and entitle your system, a profile for that system is created. If you wish to install on another or even change systems and still access the RHN you must first unentitle the original system and then register and entitle the second system. If you should wish to use the RHN on more then 1 system you must purchase additional subscribtions at $19.95 per month per machine. Sure, you can get around this by listing all updates applied to one system and then manually updating on any others that you might have. But how many users would even think of this much less do it. There is nothing wrong with RH doing this, linux distros if they are to stay viable must find means of generating revenue beyond that aquired through the sale of box sets of the OS. Is this exactly the same practice that is being used by MS with WP? No. But the basic priciple behind the approch both are taking is the same, 1 copy of the OS on one system. You may well have a differing view, that is why we each are individuals and each has the 'right' to hold and express their own views. But, as to me personally, I can equate no difference between MS's policies in regards to XP and those being currently employeed by RH. Charles -- Sridhar Dhanapalan I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense -- I deserve it. --
RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
how do I do that? I just installed mandrake 8.1, but don't really have chance to play with it yet... having exams now... -Original Message- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 November 2001 00:52 To: Loke Kit Kai; Mandrake Newbie List Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... For a home system, basically nothing. I use it myself. Just be sure to mount your partitions with the notail parameter. However, we are talking about Red Hat, which is a server- and business-oriented distro. I don't believe that ReiserFS is the best choice of FS for servers. On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:44:29 +0800, Loke Kit Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: may i know wat's wrong with ReiserFS? i thought a lot of ppl using that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: 01 November 2001 22:19 To: Mandrake Newbie List Subject: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include ReiserFS. You must remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and reliability Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a chance to hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software engineer from Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what you just said. However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware test? So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets a little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise, against the ext3 fs? Later! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ -- Sridhar Dhanapalan ... if you're a basic PC user thinking about buying XP, don't. It's basically malware. It harangues you with nagging, fake-friendly reminders to obtain a Passport and submit to product activation, and treats you like a child when you try to do anything heretical, like install a device driver of which it disapproves. -- Thomas C. Greene, Win-XP vs Red Hat 7.2, The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk), 2001-10-30. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
oh no... I use ReiserFS for /... how do I change that to wat ever u recommend? or do I have to reinstall the whole system? so sorry that I asked so many questions -Original Message- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 November 2001 01:20 To: Loke Kit Kai Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... My /etc/fstab line looks like this: /dev/hda1 / reiserfs notail 1 1 You probably shouldn't be using ReiserFS for /, though. There are some known problems with doing so, but I haven't noticed any (yet). On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:59:53 +0800, Loke Kit Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do I do that? I just installed mandrake 8.1, but don't really have chance to play with it yet... having exams now... -Original Message- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 November 2001 00:52 To: Loke Kit Kai; Mandrake Newbie List Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... For a home system, basically nothing. I use it myself. Just be sure to mount your partitions with the notail parameter. However, we are talking about Red Hat, which is a server- and business-oriented distro. I don't believe that ReiserFS is the best choice of FS for servers. On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:44:29 +0800, Loke Kit Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: may i know wat's wrong with ReiserFS? i thought a lot of ppl using that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: 01 November 2001 22:19 To: Mandrake Newbie List Subject: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include ReiserFS. You must remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and reliability Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a chance to hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software engineer from Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what you just said. However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware test? So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets a little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise, against the ext3 fs? Later! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ -- Sridhar Dhanapalan ... if you're a basic PC user thinking about buying XP, don't. It's basically malware. It harangues you with nagging, fake-friendly reminders to obtain a Passport and submit to product activation, and treats you like a child when you try to do anything heretical, like install a device driver of which it disapproves. -- Thomas C. Greene, Win-XP vs Red Hat 7.2, The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk), 2001-10-30. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum, Computer Networks, 2nd ed, p.25 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
well, if u say it will run with no problems, then I wouldn't change it...simply because that was my experiment os... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Franki Sent: 02 November 2001 02:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... I have done that before myself with no problems.. but if you want to change it, it should be the same as any other partition... make a new partition and format it ext2 or 3, (dunno if it has to be at the start of the disk or not, but it couldn't hurt) copy everything from boot into it.. then edit /etc/fstab to point /boot to your new partiton.. reboot.. like I said, I have not done it with boot before, but I did it totally sucessfully with /var in 8.1 (in my case, /var ran out of space and I needed heaps more, so I added another drive (three in that system now) and created /var2 on it.. formated it reiserfs and mounted it and copied everything from var into it.. then edited fstab to mount that new partition as var and removed the entry for the old one.. then rebooted and lo and behold,, it worked. I was feeling rather proud of myself. :-) rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Loke Kit Kai Sent: Friday, 2 November 2001 1:25 AM To: 'Sridhar Dhanapalan'; Mandrake List (E-mail) Subject: RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... oh no... I use ReiserFS for /... how do I change that to wat ever u recommend? or do I have to reinstall the whole system? so sorry that I asked so many questions -Original Message- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 November 2001 01:20 To: Loke Kit Kai Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... My /etc/fstab line looks like this: /dev/hda1 / reiserfs notail 1 1 You probably shouldn't be using ReiserFS for /, though. There are some known problems with doing so, but I haven't noticed any (yet). On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:59:53 +0800, Loke Kit Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do I do that? I just installed mandrake 8.1, but don't really have chance to play with it yet... having exams now... -Original Message- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 November 2001 00:52 To: Loke Kit Kai; Mandrake Newbie List Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... For a home system, basically nothing. I use it myself. Just be sure to mount your partitions with the notail parameter. However, we are talking about Red Hat, which is a server- and business-oriented distro. I don't believe that ReiserFS is the best choice of FS for servers. On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:44:29 +0800, Loke Kit Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: may i know wat's wrong with ReiserFS? i thought a lot of ppl using that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: 01 November 2001 22:19 To: Mandrake Newbie List Subject: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include ReiserFS. You must remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and reliability Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a chance to hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software engineer from Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what you just said. However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware test? So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets a little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise, against the ext3 fs? Later! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ -- Sridhar Dhanapalan ... if you're a basic PC user thinking about buying XP, don't. It's basically malware. It harangues you with nagging, fake-friendly reminders to obtain a Passport and submit to product activation, and treats you like a child when you try to do anything heretical, like install a device driver of which it disapproves. -- Thomas C. Greene, Win-XP vs Red Hat 7.2, The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk), 2001-10-30. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum, Computer Networks, 2nd ed, p.25 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Suggestion to Mandrake
Hi... Guys, am I right to say that when user interface is being tested, so far, it is the techies that are doing the testing and evaluating about the user friendlyness of the OS and about the control you have over ur system. I think u guys should now start involving home users, users that aren't even familiar with windows interface, and get their evaluation, to provide the experience that home users are looking for, and yet provide the control that techies are looking for... Why? because for me, Mandrake 8.1, was a bad impression, because I change the default shell to Cshell, and yet, all the basics commands like ls are not working... I still haven't solve that as I'm having exams... but got a lot of help from Tim and Steve... but if u really want to see Mandrake or Linux win over markets dominated by microsoft, it's time to involve the home users whom are equally important if not more, as techies made up only a small fraction of computer users. Let's work together to make Microsoft wake up its idea... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Internet Explorer for Mandrake 7.2?
partition magic can't resize if it is a server version... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles A Edwards Sent: 27 October 2001 07:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer for Mandrake 7.2? On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:23:47 +1300 Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will probably still be possible to put in a second drive and dual boot into linux. Someone will have checked it out by now. Just as an aside. Have you noticed how in text mode XP looks like a smiley for someone dead or dying. Elmer Fudd's advice to M$ Be wery wery carefull - he he he. Derek Jennings wrote: Very interesting article It occurs to me that since so few PC's are sold with Linux preloaded, and new XP computers will have their discs formatted in NTFS, within 2 or 3 years Linux will be squeezed out. Consumers will be unable to try out Linux even if they wanted to. Most people are not going to risk losing their windows data by having to reformat their entire disc, and may be worried by Microsofts product activation policy, that they might not be able to go back to windows again without a severe hassle if they were to try it. I'm sure there are good technical reasons why NTFS is used by XP instead of FAT32, but its jolly convenient for Bill that a by effect is to shut out the last remaining competion on the x86 desktop. I think there may be a miss-understanding. PM 7 can perform all its operation on NTFS as used in XP. It is therefore possible to repartition an XP drive and install linux without reformatting the disk, which in most cases would not have worked because on the preinstalled XP system most will have either a restore cd or a hidden partition restore image not a full version XP cd. Linux has never beem able to resize NTFS (a far superior fs to fat) and yet today there are many dual booting NT or Win2k with linux who used a third party program to resize and then partition their hd. Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Command not found
Thanks for prompt reply This is wat i have for path /usr/local/bin /bin /usr/bin /usr/X11R6/bin I can't edit the file because I don't have access to vi either... I can't even ls... but can cd... Thanks again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Holmes Sent: 02 October 2001 22:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Command not found Sounds like you don't have your $PATH defined. Type this command, as the user, and let us know what you get. /bin/echo $PATH As the user, you should get something like this in return: [timh@r2d2 timh]$ /bin/echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/home/ timh/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games The fact that you actually can log in and get a prompt, that means that user does have a shell, but since it can't find where the commands are, that's what makes me think that the PATH is not defined. To define the $PATH, add this line to your $HOME/.bash_profile. PATH=$PATH And then add the word PATH to the end of the line that reads export. So it will then look like this most likely: export BASH_ENV=$HOME/.bashrc PATH If you have more things there, that's fine, but make sure you add the PATH there, and the PATH line in your ~/.bash_profile. That should then fix that command not found problem. As far as the admin rights... There are things that will allow you to do that, but personally, as a Systems Admin, I would say stay away from them. It's much better and much more secure to just use the already existing super-user account. If you need to do something, login as root, then logout when you're done. I would really like it if Mandrake would actually do what FreeBSD does. Where only users in the wheel group can su - root and then gain root access. But I'm not sure if that's every been considered or even suggested. But that's just me. Hope that helps you, if not, let us know. tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 17021091 - Real Men Use Vi! Uptime: 10:22AM up 7 days, 21:23, 3 users, load averages: 0.04, 0.01, 0.00 | Hi, | I successfully solved the partition problem by creating a partition first, | then delete and reallocate it during the install. | However, when I went into console using the ALT + CTRL + F1, login, but | when i type any command, even ls, they say command not found, but under | root, i can use those command, Please assist. | I also help in this... Windows 2k allows user to be assigned administrator | rights, does linux allows that? How do I go about doing it? | | Thanks, | Regards, | Loke Kit Kai | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? | Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Command not found
oh ya... about the admin thing... I was just thinking, since I am using the user account, might as well give that account admin rights... is it still a bad way of doing things? wat do you think? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Holmes Sent: 02 October 2001 22:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Command not found Sounds like you don't have your $PATH defined. Type this command, as the user, and let us know what you get. /bin/echo $PATH As the user, you should get something like this in return: [timh@r2d2 timh]$ /bin/echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/home/ timh/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games The fact that you actually can log in and get a prompt, that means that user does have a shell, but since it can't find where the commands are, that's what makes me think that the PATH is not defined. To define the $PATH, add this line to your $HOME/.bash_profile. PATH=$PATH And then add the word PATH to the end of the line that reads export. So it will then look like this most likely: export BASH_ENV=$HOME/.bashrc PATH If you have more things there, that's fine, but make sure you add the PATH there, and the PATH line in your ~/.bash_profile. That should then fix that command not found problem. As far as the admin rights... There are things that will allow you to do that, but personally, as a Systems Admin, I would say stay away from them. It's much better and much more secure to just use the already existing super-user account. If you need to do something, login as root, then logout when you're done. I would really like it if Mandrake would actually do what FreeBSD does. Where only users in the wheel group can su - root and then gain root access. But I'm not sure if that's every been considered or even suggested. But that's just me. Hope that helps you, if not, let us know. tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 17021091 - Real Men Use Vi! Uptime: 10:22AM up 7 days, 21:23, 3 users, load averages: 0.04, 0.01, 0.00 | Hi, | I successfully solved the partition problem by creating a partition first, | then delete and reallocate it during the install. | However, when I went into console using the ALT + CTRL + F1, login, but | when i type any command, even ls, they say command not found, but under | root, i can use those command, Please assist. | I also help in this... Windows 2k allows user to be assigned administrator | rights, does linux allows that? How do I go about doing it? | | Thanks, | Regards, | Loke Kit Kai | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? | Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Creative soundblaster live
sorry, but i couldn't execute any program using commandline... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of FLYNN, Steve Sent: 02 October 2001 23:20 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] Creative soundblaster live Have you tried sndconfig? Works for me in 8.0. You may also want to change the volume levels with aumix or KMix. -Original Message- From: Loke Kit Kai [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 2:04 PM To: Mandrake List (E-mail) Subject:[newbie] Creative soundblaster live Hi, Sorry to bother you, but I need help in activating the sound card... I haven't heard any sound since I installed mandrake 8.1... Please assist... Thanks... File: message.footer ** This email and any files sent with it are intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient please telephone/email the sender immediately. You should not disclose the content or take/retain/distribute any copies. ** Norwich Union Life Pensions Limited Registered Office 2 Rougier Street York YO90 1UU Registered in England Number 3253947 A member of the Norwich Union Marketing Group which is regulated by the Personal Investment Authority. Member of the Association of British Insurers. For further Enquires 01603 622200 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Command not found
i default my shell to csh... how do I make the login script export the path to subshells? or how do I change to other shell since my root account have no problem? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of FLYNN, Steve Sent: 03 October 2001 00:53 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] Command not found fully qualify the command name. For example, /bin/ls /bin/cd /bin/vi However, if your path is as you show below, it should work. Maybe your login script isn't exporting the path to subshells... Can see why not though. -Original Message- From: Loke Kit Kai [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:22 PM To: 'Tim Holmes'; Mandrake List (E-mail) Subject:RE: [newbie] Command not found Thanks for prompt reply This is wat i have for path /usr/local/bin /bin /usr/bin /usr/X11R6/bin I can't edit the file because I don't have access to vi either... I can't even ls... but can cd... Thanks again -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Holmes Sent: 02 October 2001 22:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Command not found Sounds like you don't have your $PATH defined. Type this command, as the user, and let us know what you get. /bin/echo $PATH As the user, you should get something like this in return: [timh@r2d2 timh]$ /bin/echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/home/ timh/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games The fact that you actually can log in and get a prompt, that means that user does have a shell, but since it can't find where the commands are, that's what makes me think that the PATH is not defined. To define the $PATH, add this line to your $HOME/.bash_profile. PATH=$PATH And then add the word PATH to the end of the line that reads export. So it will then look like this most likely: export BASH_ENV=$HOME/.bashrc PATH If you have more things there, that's fine, but make sure you add the PATH there, and the PATH line in your ~/.bash_profile. That should then fix that command not found problem. As far as the admin rights... There are things that will allow you to do that, but personally, as a Systems Admin, I would say stay away from them. It's much better and much more secure to just use the already existing super-user account. If you need to do something, login as root, then logout when you're done. I would really like it if Mandrake would actually do what FreeBSD does. Where only users in the wheel group can su - root and then gain root access. But I'm not sure if that's every been considered or even suggested. But that's just me. Hope that helps you, if not, let us know. tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 17021091 - Real Men Use Vi! Uptime: 10:22AM up 7 days, 21:23, 3 users, load averages: 0.04, 0.01, 0.00 | Hi, | I successfully solved the partition problem by creating a partition first, | then delete and reallocate it during the install. | However, when I went into console using the ALT + CTRL + F1, login, but | when i type any command, even ls, they say command not found, but under | root, i can use those command, Please assist. | I also help in this... Windows 2k allows user to be assigned administrator | rights, does linux allows that? How do I go about doing it? | | Thanks, | Regards, | Loke Kit Kai | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? | Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- File: message.footer ** This email and any files sent with it are intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient please telephone/email the sender immediately. You should not disclose the content or take/retain/distribute any copies. ** Norwich Union Life Pensions Limited Registered Office 2 Rougier Street York YO90 1UU Registered in England Number 3253947 A member of the Norwich Union Marketing Group which is regulated by the Personal Investment Authority. Member
RE: [newbie] Command not found
roger... thanks for the advice... i'll follow it... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of FLYNN, Steve Sent: 03 October 2001 00:57 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] Command not found It's still a bad way of doing things - if your userid has root power, then a simple typing mistake can make a complete mess of your system. If you need to do anything which requires any special privs, then it's a good Do you really want to do this check to force you to su to root first. It's your choice, but I'd strongly recommend you use your ordinary userid to perform everyday tasks and only swap to root when you REALLY need to. -Original Message- From: Loke Kit Kai [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 3:24 PM To: 'Tim Holmes'; Mandrake List (E-mail) Subject:RE: [newbie] Command not found oh ya... about the admin thing... I was just thinking, since I am using the user account, might as well give that account admin rights... is it still a bad way of doing things? wat do you think? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Holmes Sent: 02 October 2001 22:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Command not found Sounds like you don't have your $PATH defined. Type this command, as the user, and let us know what you get. /bin/echo $PATH As the user, you should get something like this in return: [timh@r2d2 timh]$ /bin/echo $PATH /usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/home/ timh/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games The fact that you actually can log in and get a prompt, that means that user does have a shell, but since it can't find where the commands are, that's what makes me think that the PATH is not defined. To define the $PATH, add this line to your $HOME/.bash_profile. PATH=$PATH And then add the word PATH to the end of the line that reads export. So it will then look like this most likely: export BASH_ENV=$HOME/.bashrc PATH If you have more things there, that's fine, but make sure you add the PATH there, and the PATH line in your ~/.bash_profile. That should then fix that command not found problem. As far as the admin rights... There are things that will allow you to do that, but personally, as a Systems Admin, I would say stay away from them. It's much better and much more secure to just use the already existing super-user account. If you need to do something, login as root, then logout when you're done. I would really like it if Mandrake would actually do what FreeBSD does. Where only users in the wheel group can su - root and then gain root access. But I'm not sure if that's every been considered or even suggested. But that's just me. Hope that helps you, if not, let us know. tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 17021091 - Real Men Use Vi! Uptime: 10:22AM up 7 days, 21:23, 3 users, load averages: 0.04, 0.01, 0.00 | Hi, | I successfully solved the partition problem by creating a partition first, | then delete and reallocate it during the install. | However, when I went into console using the ALT + CTRL + F1, login, but | when i type any command, even ls, they say command not found, but under | root, i can use those command, Please assist. | I also help in this... Windows 2k allows user to be assigned administrator | rights, does linux allows that? How do I go about doing it? | | Thanks, | Regards, | Loke Kit Kai | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? | Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- File: message.footer ** This email and any files sent with it are intended only for the named recipient. If you are not the named recipient please telephone/email the sender immediately. You should not disclose the content or take/retain/distribute any copies. ** Norwich Union Life Pensions Limited Registered Office 2 Rougier Street York YO90 1UU Registered in England Number 3253947 A member of the Norwich Union Marketing Group
RE: [newbie] quanta...won't save (solved)
i like ur three Rs!!! hee hee... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sridhar Dhanapalan Sent: 03 October 2001 00:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; michael Subject: Re: [newbie] quanta...won't save (solved) On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 07:05:11 -0700, michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 02 October 2001 12:46 am, you wrote: I can't save files i attempt to create as user with Quanta. IIRC root can't run it. How can i change it so i can save my work? It works as root...didn't used to... Try going through your ~/.kde directory in search of Quanta+-specific files and directories. Delete them and then load Quanta+. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan The three Rs of Microsoft support: Retry, Reboot, Reinstall. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Command not found
Need to ask you, is the below steps to change my default shell or to enable the rest of the shells to run the commands? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Holmes Sent: 03 October 2001 00:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Command not found I would suggest running through these steps. = 1) Login as root a) As root, edit the /etc/passwd. To do that type the command vipw. This will give you a vi editor that will edit the passwd file. b) Find your user, and change the shell, which is at the end of the line to /bin/bash. c) Copy the default envirnment files to the home directory. cd /etc/skel cp .bashrc .bash_profile /home/USERID cd /home/USERID chown USERID:USERID * 2) Logout as root. 3) Login as your user USERID. a) Run these commands. which ls which vi which echo b) If those commands give you: /bin/ls /bin/vi /bin/echo c) Then your shell is working properly, and your path is set up. You should be able to now use ls, vi, and others with out getting the command not found error. = As others have mentioned, the root account is not to be taken lightly. You could remove every file on your machine with the root user. All you need to do is type the command in the right place, or have a typo in one command and do the same. Some people are so paranoid about the root user, they disconnect their machine from the Internet to do work as root! That's how sacred the root user is! So if you need admin work done, use the command, su -, to become the root user, do your work, and then logout as root. Never login to Xwindows as root, and never leave yourself logged in as root. There are ways to your user up to perform root functions, but I HIGHLY advise AGAINST it! It's a very bad idea. Just like Sridhar mentioned, bad with a capital B! tdh -- T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 17021091 - Real Men Use Vi! Uptime: 12:21PM up 7 days, 23:23, 5 users, load averages: 0.09, 0.02, 0.01 | Thanks for prompt reply | This is wat i have for path | /usr/local/bin /bin /usr/bin /usr/X11R6/bin | | I can't edit the file because I don't have access to vi either... I can't | even ls... but can cd... | | Thanks again | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? | Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
right... asking experienced people for help... it is this kind of mail that push me off linux... I did gave linux a try, post a few mails on this mailing list... how? got any help? NO!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeffrey M. Reed Sent: 24 June 2001 01:01 To: Romanator; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel?? On Saturday 23 June 2001 07:55, Romanator wrote: Where are our big guns? Please read this story when you have time. However, it's not all doom and gloom. http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/linux/0,12249,277 8923,00.html Roman Registered Linux User #179293 Email Powered By Tux Email Utility ok, here we go again. i'm so happy when you guys post stuff like this because in all seriousness, all it does is piss me off. so forgive me because i'm about to spout. ok, not suited for the desktop? then why, oh why, do i use linux for EVERYTHING EXCEPT GAMES...ok? ACTUALLY, i take that back! now i have Quake 3, Alpha Centauri, and a boat load of FREE ones that i play on my linux box when i feel the need. you see, the miracle of this FREE OS is that it's conquered the HEARTS of people who TRULY APPRECIATE COMPUTING. the CORPORATE CULTURE lends itself to the world of MONEY and ADVOCACY. along with that, add freaky phrases like LICENSING, and PIRACY, and .net. how could they (meaning those WINTEL bastards) capitalize or function with a FREE system? they simply can't SELL IT. a lot of them don't even understand that it's for real. trust me...i work with these guys every day. again, a lot of these guys ASSUME that because it's free, then it must be, in linus's own words, 'a piece of crap'. linux is based on an IDEA...a principle if you willFREE. intel, and all these other idiots can shut the hell up. they're whining and complaining like every other typical american consumer when they get something for free. WHAT? I HAVE TO PUT IT TOGETHER? i try to make an analogy for people...something like: what if instead of just buying a car, you were sent the partsall of themfor free or at least for a very low price (which, by the way, can be done of course). the problem is, the car is completely disassembled. you don't even know where to start. so, you would probably spend a lot of TIME trying to figure it out. but, if you're curiosity factor was strong enough, you'd go out and spend a souple o' bucks on a CHILTON and start learning how to put the sucker together. eventuallly, through a little trial and error, you WOULD learn how to build a car...by reading the manuals and ASKING OTHER EXPERIENCED PEOPLE (aka mailing list!!!) how to put certain things together. maybe you would NEED to spend some extra cash for a mechanic to help you...maybe you would NEED to spend the extra cash to beef up your engine a little. but, after SUCCESSFULLY building your car, you would have yourself one nice ride. AND, then you could SHARE (aka bragging LOL) your experience with others who want to know how to do it. difficult process? yes. time consuming? yes. but in the end, you should feel pretty damn good because you just built your own car. AKA LINUX. this OS was never intentionally made for the market...it was a college kid's science project and of course, we've found a way to 'bastardize' it and throw it into out corporate marketplace. THAT IS NOT WHAT IT WAS MADE FOR. you all need to get that clear in your head...NOW. it's an experiment...it's a hobby...it is POWERFUL but it's power does NOT BELONG TO ANY ONE PERSON OR COMPANY. the beauty of this silly little science project is that NEVER has any one stupid little computer gadget sparked such a community effort worldwide! never has something so 'marketable' (aka FREE) become so available! think about it. i read these lists every day and more and more and more people are beginning to realize that the way we are 'used' to doing things does not have to be goverened by one company who's selling the 'standard' set of software with the 'standard' OS for a seemingly reasonable price...as long as you don't make illegal copies, you won't go to jail. isn't that a nice feeling? me thinks not. you now have a CHOICE. INTEL, has a CHOICE. M$, INTEL, Apple, AMD, ALL those guys...they can write all the shallow arguments they want. if linux is so 'non-standard', then why are there literally HUNDREDS of desktop environments available...and program packages? HELLOOO! what the hell is KDE? i've only been using linux for about a year now and in just a YEAR, i've seen KDE grow into something M$ WISHES they had. i just don't get where the hell they're going with THEIR argument. linux is the coolest damn thing since the friggin' ball point pen! all these companies...they're just PISSED because THEY DIDN'T THINK OF IT FIRST! if you like AOL, email, 'OFFICE' and all that shit, go ahead and stick with M$ because honeslty, i really have no problem with M$. hell, i studied their stuff and took
RE: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel??
I don't understand what are you trying to put through to me... basically, my language is on the weaker side... I do hate what Microsoft is doing, and I am impressed with Mandrake, trying to provide a user friendly os, but it will stop there if other applications do not provide the same user friendness Mandrake has provided... Remember, the whole world is full of non techies, and people who do not want to spend lots of time configuring their system... I just started a company with my classmate... do you think I can afford to spend time trying to get the drivers for my efficient adsl modem when mandrake itself don't want to support me? I followed the instructions, and what did I get, blank response. I posted to this mailing list, and what did I get, blank response. If you were in my shoes, do you think you will still faithfully stick to linux to solve the problem? I am already thinking of getting new hardware to solve that problem, because I can't wait any longer... But any useful assistant for configuring Samba would be appreciated. Don't tell me to refer to the documentation, because I don't understand it... Now, I would love to see linux succeed, but from the looks of it, it still have a long way to go... How about you guys stop arguing about the articles, and do something about the interface to cater for people who are not techies!!! You can open up the computer to learn the parts doesn't mean that the rest of the world needs to... Every person in the world plays a different role, and that role doesn't need in depth understanding about the internal workings about the computer... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lanman Sent: 23 June 2001 14:34 To: Loke Kit Kai; Mandrake Newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] Linux bashing again by Intel?? Did you know that we are agreeing with you?? We were quoting news articles on various web-sites and bashing them, O.K.?? Dan
