Re: Fwd: Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
REVISIONIST History will get no where in reality... On Wednesday 08 January 2003 04:14 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: I've kept out of this until now, but The reason Hitler didn't win WW2 was not the Americans, nor the British, nor the allies, but the fact that he made an error of judgement at a critical time. That brings us all down to scale. Anne On Wednesday 08 Jan 2003 6:35 pm, Keith wrote: The funny thing about quotes like below is that were it not for America, and England, Everyone on the earth would have their capitol city be in Germany or Japan or Italy. And at earthquakes, famines, hurricanes, etc. AMERICA is the nation who supplies the BULK of the relief aid. The greatest monster I know is the American government. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
Todd Franklin wrote: hmm. did u not see the OT in the subject line? OT or no OT in the subject, I, possibly like many others, do not mind the odd OT message or two but when it becomes an ongoing OT discussion of politics, Star Trek and the like, which are NOT even linux related, I feel that it should be taken off list or the perpetrators should go and find/start a separate politics/ Star Trek list. Anne suggested I set-up filters to move the OT mail to trash but unfortunately MANY of the subscribers to this list do not change the subject when a new linux topic is started on an old thread. I do not mind setting up filters but invariably you 'lose' other email to another folder as it matched a filter. Come on guys, and gals, let's keep the OT stuff to a minimum and spare a thought for those of us who sort our messages by thread. Anthony Abby wrote: What does any of this crap have to do with Linux? Can you guys please take your political diatribes off to some private la la land? HERE, HERE!! -- Hylton Conacher - Registered Linux user # 229959 Using Linux Mandrake 9.0 with KDE 3 on a 2.4.19-16mdk kernel Licenced Windows user Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
shit,,, some one slap me ...I cannot resist, maybe if I get slapped it will knock the toungue back out of my cheek Huge Clip so EVERYTHING is out of context The greatest monster I know is the American government. Really? I thought Dragons were a much greater monstor than the US gov. Did you not see the movie Reign of Fire? them Dragons whipped a$$ on everyone. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
The funny thing about quotes like below is that were it not for America, and England, Everyone on the earth would have their capitol city be in Germany or Japan or Italy. And at earthquakes, famines, hurricanes, etc. AMERICA is the nation who supplies the BULK of the relief aid. The greatest monster I know is the American government. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Tuesday 07 January 2003 07:14 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Oh yeah, there it is. Over there by the WW2 history books. Oh hell, there's my 45... Speaking of WWII history The following is the wording of the printed statement that Neville Chamberlain waved as he stepped off the plane on 30 September, 1938 after the Munich Conference had ended the day before: We, the German Führer and Chancellor, and the British Prime Minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognizing that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for our two countries and for Europe. We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again. We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries, and we are determined to continue our efforts to remove possible sources of difference, and thus to contribute to assure the peace of Europe. Chamberlain read the above statement in front of 10 Downing St. and said: My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time... Go home and get a nice quiet sleep. Yeah, I guess you're all right. Let's give old Sadaam the benefit of the doubt. What can it hurt? -- Michael Lewis The Israelite army looked at Goliath and said, he's so big we can't possibly win. David looked at Goliath and said, wait a minute, he's so big I can't miss Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re:[newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Thu, 2003-01-09 at 04:54, Hesham Khonji wrote: The greatest monster I know is the American government. Sorry to say, but I have to agree. The American public knows literally nothing about what the US Government does in REALITY - they only know what they're told. What would Americans think if they knew the reality to the war their being led into - or if they really knew the reasons for the Afghanistan crisis? Firstly - they're in disbelief because they've been conditioned by the media and by the government. Being an American that emigrated to another country, and being an American that has never trusted the US Government (my father worked for the US government since the early 50's), I know how they utilise bureaucratic channels to hide the truth of matters to the public - supposedly for the protection of the public. If the American public understood that large corporate interests are what sparked the flame in the 80's, and has pushed them to the point where they are at now - would they blindly run to battle? If they knew that they were giving their lives for the security of profits for large companies, would they give their lives? If they knew that Enron was a major cause of the Afghanistan crisis along with an oil pipeline to the ocean, would they have willingly went in? Sorry - I've been quiet about all of this so far, but we all have different perceptions of the whole picture, and I have to state that I do not and will not stand by the US Government's decisions or actions - I believe in the People of the US - but not the government. The US Government stopped being for the people and by the people - only occasionally does the US Government give in to either public pressure or peer pressure - otherwise, their agenda is clearly aimed at corporate alignment and market dominance. -- Thu Jan 9 06:20:00 EST 2003 6:20am up 7:10, 4 users, load average: 0.76, 0.54, 0.45 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- * linux user:267497 * RH 7.3+ * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- ... or were you driving the PONTIAC that HONKED at me in MIAMI last Tuesday? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re:[newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Thu, 2003-01-09 at 07:28, Brandon Vanderberg wrote: outraged reply deleted /me shuts his mouth and makes a peace offering of beer and fuzzy penguin toys to all. ~Brandon Tolerance implies no lack of commitment to one's own beliefs. Rather it condemns the oppression or persecution of others. -John F. Kennedy I quit drinking, but I like fuzzie toys! -- Thu Jan 9 07:30:00 EST 2003 7:30am up 8:20, 4 users, load average: 1.32, 0.95, 0.67 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- * linux user:267497 * RH 7.3+ * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- mummy, n.: An Egyptian who was pressed for time. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
We have problems in America, and sometimes we get politicians who should not be elected, but the system eventually elects a different, hopefull better politician. (I'm currently involved in Constitutional litigation regarding the lack of rights for divorced parents...) Unity of an ideal holds us together, We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Liberty is whats bugs others the most. I do not like morons... BUT In our country a moron has the freedom to be a moron. In many countries, he would be in jail, tortured, or dead. Which Country provided 95% of the money and troops when Iraq invaded Kuwait? My home congregation built and STAFFED a hospital and clinic in Somolia without any money or help from the US Goverment. The People of our church staffed it (Eastbrook, Milwaukee, WI, USA) We would still be there helping if not overrun by the civil war. How many countries in the world community send out tens of thousands of its citizens for health care, teaching, agricultural help. Please explain to me the part about buying extra food from farmers for votes. Farmers ARE NOT wealthy people in America. Many of them enjoy the way of life and work a second job in town to be able to afford to farm. I happen to dairy/vegetable farm along with other interests. I started with NOTHING, no family farm, no money, etc. and have been able to get going without any goverment help, even while expending huge amounts of time on divorce litigation, Civil rights (Constitutional issures), and raising a daughter, homeschooling her. Goverment does not help farmers, and encouraging large factory farms has in fact hurt the small farmily farmer, Though small farms are beginning to thrive again with direct consumer selling... Being jealous of our liberty, and freedom to create inventions, science, business, etc. does not solve the problems of the world. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Wednesday 08 Jan 2003 8:28 pm, Brandon Vanderberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 11:30, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Thu, 2003-01-09 at 04:54, Hesham Khonji wrote: The greatest monster I know is the American government. Sorry to say, but I have to agree. The American public knows literally nothing about what the US Government does in REALITY - they only know what they're told. outraged reply deleted /me shuts his mouth and makes a peace offering of beer and fuzzy penguin toys to all. ~Brandon Tolerance implies no lack of commitment to one's own beliefs. Rather it condemns the oppression or persecution of others. -John F. Kennedy Well done - have another beer Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
I've kept out of this until now, but The reason Hitler didn't win WW2 was not the Americans, nor the British, nor the allies, but the fact that he made an error of judgement at a critical time. That brings us all down to scale. Anne On Wednesday 08 Jan 2003 6:35 pm, Keith wrote: The funny thing about quotes like below is that were it not for America, and England, Everyone on the earth would have their capitol city be in Germany or Japan or Italy. And at earthquakes, famines, hurricanes, etc. AMERICA is the nation who supplies the BULK of the relief aid. The greatest monster I know is the American government. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 05:14 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: I've kept out of this until now, but The reason Hitler didn't win WW2 was not the Americans, nor the British, nor the allies, but the fact that he made an error of judgement at a critical time. That brings us all down to scale. Anne Hmm, Anne I'm not gonna disagree outright with you, but consider this: do you think think it was only -1- thing that brought about the end of Hitlers 1000 year Reich? For example, from your paragraph above - one at a time - take out the Americans Would the Allies still have won? Put the US back in, remove the British (who can read about the Battle of Britain and not have their heart beat faster I ask!)...would the Allies still have won? Do the same for other events... IMHO, and I'm no expert, mind you - but it was a combination of several important events and decisions. Where would we be now if Germany had not opened a 2nd front against Russia? Or even something with even more implications - what if Germany had developed heavy water before us? The list goes on and on and on... Like I said - food for thought :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 19:33, Kesav Tadimeti wrote: On the other hand, I believe Bush is going to war in the hope that it will revive the economy. Preperations for the war will boost the defence industry, and when the war is over lots of contracts (notably petroleum ones) will go out to the US industry. I guess that is his solution to revive the economy. I wonder what made you folks vote Bush. Bush (and I am sure any other president) is doing his job, that is, to repay in kind the donations various companies give to the republicans and the democrats. [Kesav] What gets me is that the whole Iraq thing is over the oil. In fact, the Bush administration has already divided it up amongst the oil companies. [Kesav] (primarily american I'm sure) cheers... That sounds good to me. I've got a gas-lovin Camaro and could use some cheap oil. ;) Seriously, we've got our problems like any other country, and it's a wonderful thing to discus them. But if this war destroys just one terrorist supporter, I'll consider my tax money well spent. And if it destroys saddam, I may even consider voting for Bush. ~Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
I think this would be a good point to end this thread, there are many who hold strong views about this subject and I fear that to continue to express them here could lead to a falling out of members. It goes without saying that it is a very emotive subject, many of us will have strong views which will differ widely dependant upon such factors as country of residence, political persuasion, religious belief etc. Let's remember that the members of this list are spread around the globe with the common aim of helping other Mandrake users and promoting Mandrake generally, so let's not spoil it by expressing political opinions which are of no relevance to this list and could concievably lead to alienation of valued members. -- http://www.poogle.co.uk Well said. Now, if I can just get my wine/counter-strike stuff working, I can get back to fighting terrorism instead of reading/writing about it here. ;) Have a good one, ~Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Read/study HISTORY... Appeasement NEVER works long term. Take a look at civilizations that have survived over 200 years. The few have freedom. BUT freedom does not mean license to be irresponsible or evil, that type of freedom is called bondage. What if along with that one terrorist supporter, your tax money destroys innocent civilians and creates 200 other terrorist supporters. Would you consider your money well spent then? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Tuesday 07 January 2003 08:26 am, Hesham Khonji wrote: What if along with that one terrorist supporter, your tax money destroys innocent civilians That would be a sad, and unfortunate colatteral effect. Most certain to happen, unavoidable since the Arabs use civilians as shields. But then again, that's one reason it's called a war,war is hell, and not a picnic. and creates 200 other terrorist supporters. Would you consider your money well spent then? My money won't create 200 terrorists, Their FUed Religion already has. What my money will buy is 200 more bullets to put and end to them, And that I would consider money well spent. Besides, it will help to cut down on foreign aid. It's funny how America is always spoke of as being after the allmighty dollar, and yet We're not the ones with our hands forever outstretched to receive our foreign aid check from who ? Yeah. No really, we need to continue this thread, I've got plenty more. _ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Dennis Sue wrote: ~Brandon I think this would be a good point to end this thread, there are many who hold strong views about this subject and I fear that to continue to express them here could lead to a falling out of members. Yeah, Count me as one. As someone who recently insulted the religion of about 25% of the planet, that is rich. It goes without saying that it is a very emotive subject, many of us will have strong views which will differ widely dependant upon such factors as country of residence, political persuasion, religious belief etc. Let's remember that the members of this list are spread around the globe with the common aim of helping other Mandrake users and promoting Mandrake generally, so let's not spoil it by expressing political opinions which are of no relevance to this list and could concievably lead to alienation of valued members. I'm probably not considered a valuable member, But I'm considering becoming a new member of the Red Hat Group. I've had my fill of this cryfest bullshit, This I can get from the Media. We'll see where it goes from here. Interesting - you are considering changing your distro because some people have opinions you don't like? Don't bother - I'm sure there are bleeding-heart liberals on the RedHat list as well. Didn't you wonder why the hat was red? Sir Robin -- Do unto others what you would like others to do unto you. And have fun doing it. - Linus Torvalds Robin Turner IDMYO, Bilkent University Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie]Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 19:12, Dennis Sue wrote: My money won't create 200 terrorists, Their FUed Religion already has. What my money will buy is 200 more bullets to put and end to them, And that I would consider money well spent. Besides, it will help to cut down on foreign aid. It's funny how America is always spoke of as being after the allmighty dollar, and yet We're not the ones with our hands forever outstretched to receive our foreign aid check from who ? Yeah. No really, we need to continue this thread, I've got plenty more. Whew. This is *good* to me. I'm glad I didn't weigh in on this one just so I could see this. Ahh, well. Back to the LM90 test install. H...now where did I put my cowboy hat... Oh yeah, there it is. Over there by the WW2 history books. Oh hell, there's my 45... --LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 18:08, Dennis Sue wrote: Yeah, Count me as one. I absolutely refuse to do that. I'm probably not considered a valuable member, But I'm considering becoming a new member of the Red Hat Group. You are a VERY valuable member, believe me. I've had my fill of this cryfest bullshit, This I can get from the Media. True. You are preaching to the choir. We'll see where it goes from here. The leftist socialists are everywhere; however so are the ones in the right. Going somewhere else won't change their minds or get rid of them. So hang tough; before long, we'll all be talking about LM90 install stuff again soon. --LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [OT]: U.S. politics in Linux? Was: Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] Whichi s better:KDE or Gnome?]
(I'm not getting into this.) Damian: I'm with you. We can debate less filling vs great taste. Indeed! Every non-moron knows it's LESS FILLING! :p OTOH, If we were talking about coffee, then I would have to say TASTES GREAT! -- Chuck Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
