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if thats true it's pretty bad news. Jeanette Ben wrote: Opera has "let go" of it's linux and mac porting teams, and are in the process of looking for others. ( as posted by their marketing guy on opera.linux ) Well boys, slow down the bandwagon, because it's time to get off.. I would hope that the upcoming Opera, if it ever comes out, is better in that respect. Opera users in Windows, is this your experience so far? I would venture to guess the first group that comes out with a decent alternative to Netscape will garner quite a bit of support from the linux community. Until then we can all enjoy the 4500 mp3 players we have to choose from. Ben
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Damien, A new Linux browser with KDE2? That's news to me. When will that happen? Have any idea? Richard On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, you wrote: Hi Dreja Julag ! On 11/10/99 6:49:48 PM, you wrote: Does anyone know if NeoPlanet has a port yet? NeoPlanet runs on top of Internet Explorer, so I severely doubt it. You may just have to wait until KDE2 for a good Linux browser.. Damien Mc Kenna Keene State College, BSc Computer Science Student http://www.mckenna.brinet.net/[EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ 17066133
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I didn't think I could create that much controversy just by suggesting an alternative! No matter what people think about Amaya, Netscape, kfm or any other program, the great thing about Linux is you can obtain and install any or all of them and use which ever one works best for a particular purpose. ** Paul L. Kaplan, Ph.D., M.B.A. Program Manager, Neurosciences Creative BioMolecules (www.creativebio.com http://www.creativebio.com ) Suite 2400 101 Huntington Avenue Boston, MA 02199 Ph: 617-912-2972 Fx: 617-912-2991 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: alann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 2:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [newbie] alternative browser? Chip Wiegand wrote: Amaya, Oh MYA! What a mess it makes of web pages in Linux! I tried just yahoo and my companys web site. Yahoo was somewhat navigable, at least I could change to various pages. My companys website was all screwed up, and it is supposedly backwards compatible to the 2.x web browsers. Chip On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, you wrote: Try Amaya for a graphical browser. www.w3.org http://www.w3.org Yeah, try Amaya for a good time, a couple of laughs...but probably not for a stable browser. I don't know how it fares on Linux but on Windoze, it can't display web pages (jumbles of words overlapping one another) and it crashed my machine within 2 minutes. Total piece of junk. Too bad, too, because if there's one thing this world needs it's a lightweight, customizable, developer-friendly GPL browser. Anyone have other suggestions? Gregg I thought it was my voodoo banshee card. whew.. What a mess. It's gone from my system now.. -- == [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) running Linux Mandrake 6.1 and/or BeOS.
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But if the browsers don't work right most of the time and enable you to utilize the web to its fullest, none of that open source stuff means much. Mark Butler - Original Message - From: Kaplan, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 8:28 AM Subject: RE: [newbie] alternative browser? I didn't think I could create that much controversy just by suggesting an alternative! No matter what people think about Amaya, Netscape, kfm or any other program, the great thing about Linux is you can obtain and install any or all of them and use which ever one works best for a particular purpose. ** Paul L. Kaplan, Ph.D., M.B.A. Program Manager, Neurosciences Creative BioMolecules (www.creativebio.com http://www.creativebio.com ) Suite 2400 101 Huntington Avenue Boston, MA 02199 Ph: 617-912-2972 Fx: 617-912-2991 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: alann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 2:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] alternative browser? Chip Wiegand wrote: Amaya, Oh MYA! What a mess it makes of web pages in Linux! I tried just yahoo and my companys web site. Yahoo was somewhat navigable, at least I could change to various pages. My companys website was all screwed up, and it is supposedly backwards compatible to the 2.x web browsers. Chip On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, you wrote: Try Amaya for a graphical browser. www.w3.org http://www.w3.org Yeah, try Amaya for a good time, a couple of laughs...but probably not for a stable browser. I don't know how it fares on Linux but on Windoze, it can't display web pages (jumbles of words overlapping one another) and it crashed my machine within 2 minutes. Total piece of junk. Too bad, too, because if there's one thing this world needs it's a lightweight, customizable, developer-friendly GPL browser. Anyone have other suggestions? Gregg I thought it was my voodoo banshee card. whew.. What a mess. It's gone from my system now.. -- == [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) running Linux Mandrake 6.1 and/or BeOS.
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Dear friends: Mark is right. Read Dave Whitinger's The Battle that Could Lose us the War in LinuxToday at: http://linuxtoday.com/stories/11954.html Since the world of computing and information has become Web-centric and since Microsoft is not about to port IE 5.0 to Linux, then the Open Source community must see the creation of a first-rate web browser equal to or superior to IE as its NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. I'm speaking as a non-techie observer. But isn't this just plain common sense. If Microsoft could turn on a dime as it did in 1995 to turn its full attention to the Web, so can and should the Open Source Community. I am shocked to hear that Open Source has relied on Netscape and has done little to create its own super web browser. Where will we be when Microsoft's IE has 99% of the market (asks Dave Whitinger in the article above). We'll be up the creek without a paddle. And still everyone talks about new distros, KOffice, etc. But no one talks about the most important thing of all: the Web and, therefore, the Web browser. Am I right? Is the emperor without clothes? Or am I missing something? Benjamin -- Benjamin and Anna Sher Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net
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I have the same point of view as well, but would like to add that I would like a browser that is cleaner/smaller in overall diskspace AND not slow as all get out. It takes me a good 15 seconds sometimes to open Netscape or StarOffice. I would hope that the upcoming Opera, if it ever comes out, is better in that respect. Opera users in Windows, is this your experience so far? Karen Pablo Monti wrote: That's true. I have the same point of view Pablo Monti Buenos Aires, Argentina - Original Message - From: Benjamin Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 12, 1999 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] alternative browser? Dear friends: Mark is right. Read Dave Whitinger's The Battle that Could Lose us the War in LinuxToday at: http://linuxtoday.com/stories/11954.html Since the world of computing and information has become Web-centric and since Microsoft is not about to port IE 5.0 to Linux, then the Open Source community must see the creation of a first-rate web browser equal to or superior to IE as its NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. I'm speaking as a non-techie observer. But isn't this just plain common sense. snip
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Karen Heiby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the same point of view as well, but would like to add that I would like a browser that is cleaner/smaller in overall diskspace AND not slow as all get out. It takes me a good 15 seconds sometimes to open Netscape or StarOffice. I would hope that the upcoming Opera, if it ever comes out, is better in that respect. Opera users in Windows, is this your experience so far? Karen === I've used various iterations of Opera since 3.0 (through 3.6) on Windows. Very nice, fast little browser IMHO. I've never stuck with it past the 30 days trial period, simply because in the Win world (to which I USED to belong) IE 5.0 works very well and it's free. I saw no need to spring for the $17.50 (I get the educators discount). I've been exclusively Linux since April, `99. Netscrape is usable, but not nearly as slick or functional as IE 5.x. I will shel out the $ for Opera if it ports to Linux, and runs as well as it runs on Windoze. That's my $.02 Mike ++ Michael Scottaline COL 2.2 Linux 2.2.5 * * * * * * * * * * * It's a fresh wind that Blows Against the Empire Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
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On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, you wrote: Dear friends: Mark is right. Read Dave Whitinger's The Battle that Could Lose us the War in LinuxToday at: Hmm. . .not to fire any opening shots or anything buuut. . . i read Mark's post and my question is what is the relationship between open source and the web browser? i could get packages and apps via FTP if need be, and i can stay in touch and up on info with email and newsgroups None of these require a browser. Also, to make the statement that the web browser is THE KEY app makes a bit of a large (and to me personally insulting) assumption. All the time i spend "web browsing" as opposed to doing other things (3d modeling, GIMP work, music composition, writing code, etc.) is quite in the minority. The Open Source Community was here before the web. I won't say that the web hasn't affected it any cuz that's certainly not true, but c'mon folks: The Open Source Community is bigger than the web, and to say that it will topple because of the lack of a "super web browser" is somewhat tunnel visionish in my opinion. We're all members of that community, so ask yourself: Do you have plans to quit using linux simply because of the state of the browsers (and trust me, i have the same netscape problems everyone mentions)? If so, i mean, if your OS choice is all about which one has a web browser, why not grab DOS and a copy of webspyder? That's a pretty stable combination i think. I dunno folks. Not trying to start a war, just saying that to me computers are more than browsing the web. I use linux because it works. Did Linus Torvalds, the FSF, GNU, and all the other key players in the Open Source movement create it in hopes that it would spawn the uberbrowser and rule the web one day? If so. . .doesn't that just make us all another Microsoft, or AOL, or Netscape or. . . . . . And now a bit of relevant humor for those ready to string me up or at least flame me quite completely: I was at work the other day and a gentleman comes in to start a seasonal position. His name is Winfred and on his name tag was the word WIN. So i thought to myself hmmm. . .i should change my name tag to read STARTX. . .but then i thot. . .no. . .doubt anyone at work would get it and as cool as "startx" sounds when you say it, i don't think i want to be called that. That and it's a dead joke if u have to explain it to someone. . . -- Seth Gibson www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) Aggression Takes Its Toll.
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Opera has "let go" of it's linux and mac porting teams, and are in the process of looking for others. ( as posted by their marketing guy on opera.linux ) Well boys, slow down the bandwagon, because it's time to get off.. I would hope that the upcoming Opera, if it ever comes out, is better in that respect. Opera users in Windows, is this your experience so far? I would venture to guess the first group that comes out with a decent alternative to Netscape will garner quite a bit of support from the linux community. Until then we can all enjoy the 4500 mp3 players we have to choose from. Ben
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Hi Dreja Julag ! On 11/10/99 6:49:48 PM, you wrote: Does anyone know if NeoPlanet has a port yet? NeoPlanet runs on top of Internet Explorer, so I severely doubt it. You may just have to wait until KDE2 for a good Linux browser.. Damien Mc Kenna Keene State College, BSc Computer Science Student http://www.mckenna.brinet.net/[EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ 17066133
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Hi Dreja Julag ! On 11/10/99 6:49:48 PM, you wrote: Does anyone know if NeoPlanet has a port yet? NeoPlanet runs on top of Internet Explorer, so I severely doubt it. You may just have to wait until KDE2 for a good Linux browser.. Damien Mc Kenna Keene State College, BSc Computer Science Student http://www.mckenna.brinet.net/[EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ 17066133
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Dear friends: NeoPlanet will be available for Netscape 5.0. It is already available as a beta. See: http://www.mozilla.org Benjamin -- Benjamin and Anna Sher Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net
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Amaya, Oh MYA! What a mess it makes of web pages in Linux! I tried just yahoo and my companys web site. Yahoo was somewhat navigable, at least I could change to various pages. My companys website was all screwed up, and it is supposedly backwards compatible to the 2.x web browsers. Chip On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, you wrote: Try Amaya for a graphical browser. www.w3.org http://www.w3.org Yeah, try Amaya for a good time, a couple of laughs...but probably not for a stable browser. I don't know how it fares on Linux but on Windoze, it can't display web pages (jumbles of words overlapping one another) and it crashed my machine within 2 minutes. Total piece of junk. Too bad, too, because if there's one thing this world needs it's a lightweight, customizable, developer-friendly GPL browser. Anyone have other suggestions? Gregg
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Chip Wiegand wrote: Amaya, Oh MYA! What a mess it makes of web pages in Linux! I tried just yahoo and my companys web site. Yahoo was somewhat navigable, at least I could change to various pages. My companys website was all screwed up, and it is supposedly backwards compatible to the 2.x web browsers. Chip On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, you wrote: Try Amaya for a graphical browser. www.w3.org http://www.w3.org Yeah, try Amaya for a good time, a couple of laughs...but probably not for a stable browser. I don't know how it fares on Linux but on Windoze, it can't display web pages (jumbles of words overlapping one another) and it crashed my machine within 2 minutes. Total piece of junk. Too bad, too, because if there's one thing this world needs it's a lightweight, customizable, developer-friendly GPL browser. Anyone have other suggestions? Gregg I thought it was my voodoo banshee card. whew.. What a mess. It's gone from my system now.. -- == [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) running Linux Mandrake 6.1 and/or BeOS.
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I really don't think anyone is going to be happy with Hot Java. It is slow, not too stable and has problems with login's or SSL sites. Maybe Opera will be better than Netscape but right now I am happy to have Netscape because the alternatives are much worse. Jeanette jeremy wrote: I was doing some searching and found that Opera is moving to port their browser to Linux in a couple of weeks(www.opera.com i think thats where i was). also Sun has HotJava. but I do not know what that is. it seems like a browser. i have not downloaded it yet (www.download.com type "browser"). J On Tue, 09 Nov 1999, you wrote: On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Karen M. Heiby wrote: "Brian K. Garel" wrote: "Karen M. Heiby" wrote: snip I do have Netscape 4.7 and it crashes a lot less. But I am still getting this weird bookmark error. "Bookmarks have changed on disk and are being reloaded". I have to click "OK" to make it go away. It pops up about every 5 minutes, in a window. Very annoying. But no crashes, and yes, I have 4.7. The error happens when I'm reading mail as well as browsing, and I haven't made any bookmark changes. Thanks, Karen Have you tried downloading _only_ navigator (not communicator)? I agree with you that netscape sucks but that seems to be about the only choice if you wan't to take advantage of as much of the web as possible. When I upgraded, I installed just navigator and haven't really had any trouble with it other than its horrible shockwave capabilities. DvB
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On Wed, 10 Nov 1999, you wrote: I was doing some searching and found that Opera is moving to port their browser to Linux in a couple of weeks(www.opera.com i think thats where i was). also Sun has HotJava. but I do not know what that is. it seems like a browser. i have not downloaded it yet (www.download.com type "browser"). Unfortunately, Opera has been "in progress" for some time. What I really don't understand is why it's taking so long for them to get it working if they have it working for RedHat Mandrake!! It seems to me that they should be able to release the RedHat/Mandrake version and just add the rest of the distributions as they get done! :-) John
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Try Amaya for a graphical browser. www.w3.org http://www.w3.org -Original Message- From: Karen M. Heiby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 5:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:[newbie] alternative browser? Does anyone have any suggestions for an alternative browser for Linux? I don't like Netscape's, KFM, or Star Office's very much. I won't dare go into all the problems, though ;-)
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"Karen M. Heiby" wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions for an alternative browser for Linux? I don't like Netscape's, KFM, or Star Office's very much. I won't dare go into all the problems, though ;-) if you want lightweight and fairly simple, try grail. Entirely written in python, you can get it from http://www.python.org -- Alex
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"Karen M. Heiby" wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions for an alternative browser for Linux? I don't like Netscape's, KFM, or Star Office's very much. I won't dare go into all the problems, though ;-) netscape was crashing on me every 10 min it seemed and then I upgraded to communicator 4.7 and it is just great...the difference between night and day...I was noticing crashes when I was entering work sites that required passwords. You would enter the password and kaboom! That was with 4.61 but I haven't had any problems today with 4.7 Hope that helps! ;-) -- Brian K. Garel ICQ #1598357 "Seize the time...Live now; make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again" -- Picard (The Inner Light)
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"Brian K. Garel" wrote: "Karen M. Heiby" wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions for an alternative browser for Linux? I don't like Netscape's, KFM, or Star Office's very much. I won't dare go into all the problems, though ;-) netscape was crashing on me every 10 min it seemed and then I upgraded to communicator 4.7 and it is just great...the difference between night and day...I was noticing crashes when I was entering work sites that required passwords. You would enter the password and kaboom! That was with 4.61 but I haven't had any problems today with 4.7 Hope that helps! ;-) -- Brian K. Garel ICQ #1598357 "Seize the time...Live now; make now always the most precious time. Now will never come again" -- Picard (The Inner Light) I do have Netscape 4.7 and it crashes a lot less. But I am still getting this weird bookmark error. "Bookmarks have changed on disk and are being reloaded". I have to click "OK" to make it go away. It pops up about every 5 minutes, in a window. Very annoying. But no crashes, and yes, I have 4.7. The error happens when I'm reading mail as well as browsing, and I haven't made any bookmark changes. Thanks, Karen
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On Tue, 09 Nov 1999, you wrote: Does anyone have any suggestions for an alternative browser for Linux? I don't like Netscape's, KFM, or Star Office's very much. I won't dare go into all the problems, though ;-) id check and see what the crew at freshmeat.net has. . . -- Seth Gibson www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) Aggression Takes Its Toll.
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On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Karen M. Heiby wrote: "Brian K. Garel" wrote: "Karen M. Heiby" wrote: snip I do have Netscape 4.7 and it crashes a lot less. But I am still getting this weird bookmark error. "Bookmarks have changed on disk and are being reloaded". I have to click "OK" to make it go away. It pops up about every 5 minutes, in a window. Very annoying. But no crashes, and yes, I have 4.7. The error happens when I'm reading mail as well as browsing, and I haven't made any bookmark changes. Thanks, Karen Have you tried downloading _only_ navigator (not communicator)? I agree with you that netscape sucks but that seems to be about the only choice if you wan't to take advantage of as much of the web as possible. When I upgraded, I installed just navigator and haven't really had any trouble with it other than its horrible shockwave capabilities. DvB
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I was doing some searching and found that Opera is moving to port their browser to Linux in a couple of weeks(www.opera.com i think thats where i was). also Sun has HotJava. but I do not know what that is. it seems like a browser. i have not downloaded it yet (www.download.com type "browser"). J On Tue, 09 Nov 1999, you wrote: On Tue, 9 Nov 1999, Karen M. Heiby wrote: "Brian K. Garel" wrote: "Karen M. Heiby" wrote: snip I do have Netscape 4.7 and it crashes a lot less. But I am still getting this weird bookmark error. "Bookmarks have changed on disk and are being reloaded". I have to click "OK" to make it go away. It pops up about every 5 minutes, in a window. Very annoying. But no crashes, and yes, I have 4.7. The error happens when I'm reading mail as well as browsing, and I haven't made any bookmark changes. Thanks, Karen Have you tried downloading _only_ navigator (not communicator)? I agree with you that netscape sucks but that seems to be about the only choice if you wan't to take advantage of as much of the web as possible. When I upgraded, I installed just navigator and haven't really had any trouble with it other than its horrible shockwave capabilities. DvB
