Re: [newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux.
The e-mail address for the program is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, it was Gillian Lacey-Solymar who did the item. I'll send an e-mail and see if it does any good. I am retired and we watch it while we are having our sandwich and piece of cake mid-day lunch. Our main meal is in the evening. There is only one other TV program watched here during the day, Anne. My wife is a Countdown enthusiast. I come up here to the computer so that I don't have to watch it! Keith Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux.
On Saturday 14 February 2004 09:27, Keith Powell wrote: The e-mail address for the program is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, it was Gillian Lacey-Solymar who did the item. I'll send an e-mail and see if it does any good. I am retired and we watch it while we are having our sandwich and piece of cake mid-day lunch. Our main meal is in the evening. We are a lot more antisocial - I read mailing lists and my husband plays solitaire - under Mandrake, of course g There is only one other TV program watched here during the day, Anne. My wife is a Countdown enthusiast. I come up here to the computer so that I don't have to watch it! Don't know anything about it - never heard of it - and from your reaction that's probably a good thing vbg Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux.
On Friday 13 February 2004 23:35, lanman wrote: Anne; Thanks for the trust. It's not misplaced. Here's the site with the broadcast on it; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/programmes/working_lunch/default.stm Click on the link near the upper-left corner labelled Video Watch programme. Once it starts, scroll the time of the show to exactly 34:00 minutes and play through the segment. You'll see her name pop up on the display during her segment. Enjoy! And here's the link to Bill Thompson's article; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3485545.stm Thanks, Lanman. One question, though. I don't use streaming media normally, so I've no idea how to play it. Do you save to disk? What app do you use to play it? Is there a Moz plugin to deal with it? OK - a lot of questions, but one subject g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux.
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:51:52 +0100 H.J.Bathoorn disseminated the following: This is what I said: I like your style Ann, Short, direct and non-abusive. I'm applauding standing up!:) Yes, well done, though 'army' might not have been the best word to use. As far as I'm concerned, it *is* an army, but we don't want to let them in on that til it's too late, no? SEG -- JoeHill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org +++ 08:26:51 up 8 days, 20:14, 4 users, load average: 0.04, 0.12, 0.12 +++ Linux 2.4.22-21mdk i686 +++ Athens built the Acropolis. Corinth was a commercial city, interested in purely materialistic things. Today we admire Athens, visit it, preserve the old temples, yet we hardly ever set foot in Corinth.-- Dr. Harold Urey, Nobel Laureate in chemistry Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux.
I have just been watching a daily Monday-Friday BBC Television business/consumer program called Working Lunch. In it, there was an item about Microsoft's Windows source code being on the Internet. During the item, which concentrated on how this would affect we computer users, the following statements were made: You can't just go out on the High Street and buy a different Operating system. There are others, but Windows is the best. After dwelling on Windows and briefly mentioning Mac, their Consumer Affairs Correspondant said, There is a third system called Linux. However it is very complicated and you have to be a computer expert to be able to use it. I certainly couldn't use it With a large influential company (the BBC) making such pro-Microsoft and anti-Linux statements such as this, we have quite an opposition to overcome. It's no good writing to them and complaining, as they won't want to know. I sign myself A disgusted viewer. Keith. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux.
On Friday 13 February 2004 05:19 am, Keith Powell wrote: I have just been watching a daily Monday-Friday BBC Television business/consumer program called Working Lunch. In it, there was an item about Microsoft's Windows source code being on the Internet. During the item, which concentrated on how this would affect we computer users, the following statements were made: You can't just go out on the High Street and buy a different Operating system. But you can get a better one for free There are others, but Windows is the best. If you like security holes virai an Worms After dwelling on Windows and briefly mentioning Mac, their Consumer Affairs Correspondant said, There is a third system called Linux. However it is very complicated and you have to be a computer expert to be able to use it. I certainly couldn't use it me an expert ..? (can I have a key of what this clown has been smoking.g With a large influential company (the BBC) making such pro-Microsoft and anti-Linux statements such as this, we have quite an opposition to overcome. It's no good writing to them and complaining, as they won't want to know. I sign myself A disgusted viewer. Keith. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux.
- Original Message - From: Keith Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 07:19 Subject: [newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux. I have just been watching a daily Monday-Friday BBC Television business/consumer program called Working Lunch. In it, there was an item about Microsoft's Windows source code being on the Internet. During the item, which concentrated on how this would affect we computer users, the following statements were made: You can't just go out on the High Street and buy a different Operating system. There are others, but Windows is the best. After dwelling on Windows and briefly mentioning Mac, their Consumer Affairs Correspondant said, There is a third system called Linux. However it is very complicated and you have to be a computer expert to be able to use it. I certainly couldn't use it With a large influential company (the BBC) making such pro-Microsoft and anti-Linux statements such as this, we have quite an opposition to overcome. It's no good writing to them and complaining, as they won't want to know. I sign myself A disgusted viewer. Consider the source. The BBC is NOT a credible source. Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux.
Keith Powell wrote: I have just been watching a daily Monday-Friday BBC Television business/consumer program called Working Lunch. In it, there was an item about Microsoft's Windows source code being on the Internet. During the item, which concentrated on how this would affect we computer users, the following statements were made: You can't just go out on the High Street and buy a different Operating system. There are others, but Windows is the best. After dwelling on Windows and briefly mentioning Mac, their Consumer Affairs Correspondant said, There is a third system called Linux. However it is very complicated and you have to be a computer expert to be able to use it. I certainly couldn't use it With a large influential company (the BBC) making such pro-Microsoft and anti-Linux statements such as this, we have quite an opposition to overcome. It's no good writing to them and complaining, as they won't want to know. I sign myself A disgusted viewer. It varies from programme to programme. Their IT programme, Click Online, tends to give Linux and OSS a good press, and far more coverage than you'd expect, given that it's designed very much with computer newbies in mind (a typical line might be So what is ADSL, and why is it better than a normal modem?). In fact, when they did a series on building a computer from parts (presumably with the slightly less newbie audience in mind), Linux was recommended for the OS. They've also done features on non-IE browsers, with Opera and Mozilla getting good press. It's just a matter of who is praparing and presenting the programme in question. I know one the guys behind the scenes of Click Online is a veteran Windows-hater (he's a Mac lover, but I don't believe in prejudice against people's sexual preferences). He used to appear on .TV's Chips With Everything answering questions like How can I use my Windows 98 computer as a router? with answers like For that, you need a real Operating System. Incidentally, the penguin has landed in Turkey. We've just started getting the Turkish version of Tech TV, and they've started a programme called Penguin Diary (or rather, the equivalent in Turkish, which I can't type in ASCII characters!). Sir Robin -- Telling disgruntled employees that they are always free to leave their jobs seems no different in principle from telling political dissidents that they are free to emigrate. - Stephen Newman Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux.
On February 13, 2004 10:52 am, Aron Smith wrote: On Friday 13 February 2004 05:19 am, Keith Powell wrote: I have just been watching a daily Monday-Friday BBC Television business/consumer program called Working Lunch. In it, there was an item about Microsoft's Windows source code being on the Internet. During the item, which concentrated on how this would affect we computer users, the following statements were made: You can't just go out on the High Street and buy a different Operating system. But you can get a better one for free There are others, but Windows is the best. If you like security holes virai an Worms After dwelling on Windows and briefly mentioning Mac, their Consumer Affairs Correspondant said, There is a third system called Linux. However it is very complicated and you have to be a computer expert to be able to use it. I certainly couldn't use it me an expert ..? (can I have a key of what this clown has been smoking.g With a large influential company (the BBC) making such pro-Microsoft and anti-Linux statements such as this, we have quite an opposition to overcome. It's no good writing to them and complaining, as they won't want to know. I sign myself A disgusted viewer. Keith. Not to be a [EMAIL PROTECTED] disturber ( yeah, Right! ) but the correspondent ( Gillean Lacey-Solymar ) giving us this enlightened perspective on the BBC show has an email address! Go figure! I accidentally put it right here - [EMAIL PROTECTED] in case someone wanted to contact her. Imagine that! She's a graduate of Oxford! Humph! You'd think she'd know how to do her homework by now! Also on staff with the BBC, Bill Thompson hits the nail on the head! However for me one of the most interesting - and rather depressing - aspects of the week's coverage was that it revealed just how little most people know, or are assumed to know, about the way computers and programs really work. Ring a bell much? Bill continues with this - In the coverage of the release of the Windows source code we've seen journalists try to describe what it is that has been posted to websites around the net, but those who didn't descend into cliché seemed only able to use the most misleading metaphors. Perhaps the most common is to describe the source code as a blueprint, presumably because we've all seen movies in which architects pore over blueprints of buildings under attack, or because middle-class readers all have the blueprints of their extensions carefully filed away. But source code isn't the blueprint: it is the thing itself. The source is the set of instructions given to the computer that, when executed, cause the behaviour we see on screen. I think that this Working Lunch Correspondent fits into the category touched on by Bill Thompson. I wonder if they know each other ? Lanman -- Registered Linux user #190712 Smart IT people are staring out the window into the eye of a giant penguin! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux.
Hoyt Bailey wrote: Consider the source. The BBC is NOT a credible source. It's as credible as any other mainstream media source: i.e. you need to take anything it says about computers with a pinch of salt. If, on the other hand, you're talking about the BBC in general, save that for the OT list, where the FoxNews fans will give you a warm welcome ;-) Sir Robin -- Telling disgruntled employees that they are always free to leave their jobs seems no different in principle from telling political dissidents that they are free to emigrate. - Stephen Newman Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux.
Keith Powell wrote: With a large influential company (the BBC) making such pro-Microsoft and anti-Linux statements such as this, we have quite an opposition to overcome. It's no good writing to them and complaining, as they won't want to know. I sign myself A disgusted viewer. Soft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Went to the 'working lunch' website read: Contact Us Without your input, we would have a pretty boring old show on our hands. Also viewed the prog online (it appears that no-one must contact them). Wrote to them, saying what their correspondent said might have been true some years ago but Linux today was sometimes easier to install than MS, and offered to stick a set of disks in the post to allow them to prove it to themselves (whilst pointing out that it would be quicker for them to download from Mandrake -f.o.c.) With my best advocacy hat on, I didn't call the programme a load of ill-informed crap. *IF* I hear from them I'll let you know. Paul M Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux.
Keith Powell wrote: I have just been watching a daily Monday-Friday BBC Television business/consumer program called Working Lunch. In it, there was an item about Microsoft's Windows source code being on the Internet. During the item, which concentrated on how this would affect we computer users, the following statements were made: You can't just go out on the High Street and buy a different Operating system. There are others, but Windows is the best. After dwelling on Windows and briefly mentioning Mac, their Consumer Affairs Correspondant said, There is a third system called Linux. However it is very complicated and you have to be a computer expert to be able to use it. I certainly couldn't use it With a large influential company (the BBC) making such pro-Microsoft and anti-Linux statements such as this, we have quite an opposition to overcome. It's no good writing to them and complaining, as they won't want to know. I sign myself A disgusted viewer. Keith. I don't mind complaining, is there an email address I can write to that puts the indevidual concerned to right ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux.
On Friday 13 February 2004 13:19, Keith Powell wrote: I have just been watching a daily Monday-Friday BBC Television business/consumer program called Working Lunch. In it, there was an item about Microsoft's Windows source code being on the Internet. During the item, which concentrated on how this would affect we computer users, the following statements were made: You can't just go out on the High Street and buy a different Operating system. There are others, but Windows is the best. After dwelling on Windows and briefly mentioning Mac, their Consumer Affairs Correspondant said, There is a third system called Linux. However it is very complicated and you have to be a computer expert to be able to use it. I certainly couldn't use it With a large influential company (the BBC) making such pro-Microsoft and anti-Linux statements such as this, we have quite an opposition to overcome. It's no good writing to them and complaining, as they won't want to know. I sign myself A disgusted viewer. Keith. The last time they did something like this I found a place on the web pages where you could start discussion threads about the program. If you manage to get a complaint in by that route let us know, so that we can back you up. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux.
On Friday 13 February 2004 16:37, lanman wrote: Not to be a [EMAIL PROTECTED] disturber ( yeah, Right! ) but the correspondent ( Gillean Lacey-Solymar ) giving us this enlightened perspective on the BBC show has an email address! Go figure! I accidentally put it right here - [EMAIL PROTECTED] in case someone wanted to contact her. Imagine that! She's a graduate of Oxford! Humph! You'd think she'd know how to do her homework by now! Lanman, I trust you completely, and did no checks, so you'd better be right, 'cos I used that address. This is what I said: quote There has been much talk today on the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] about the content of this program. I did not see the program myself, as I never watch daytime television. I am concerned, however, that if a fraction of the quotes I have read are correct this program was full of errors and misinformation. There is a growing army of Linux users around the world, and a growing movement that can only be called Community, in which people of all ages and skills, and from all over the world, work together and help each other sort problems. The result is a system that is not only much more secure than anything that can be achieved using *any* version of Windows, but the satisfaction of having a system that does what the user wants, not what the software company wants them to do. If you are truly interested in the subject, I would be pleased to send you a set of Mandrake Linux disks - free of charge, and entirely legal, note - so that you can see for yourself just how easy it is to install Linux on a modern computer. /quote The more people that make the point, the better. The truth is that most journalists are entirely ignorant, and go with the flow. It's time to make waves. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] The BBC and Linux.
On Friday 13 February 2004 16:29, robin wrote: It varies from programme to programme. Their IT programme, Click Online, tends to give Linux and OSS a good press, and far more coverage than you'd expect, given that it's designed very much with computer newbies in mind (a typical line might be So what is ADSL, and why is it better than a normal modem?). In fact, when they did a series on building a computer from parts (presumably with the slightly less newbie audience in mind), Linux was recommended for the OS. They've also done features on non-IE browsers, with Opera and Mozilla getting good press. It's just a matter of who is praparing and presenting the programme in question. I know one the guys behind the scenes of Click Online is a veteran Windows-hater (he's a Mac lover, but I don't believe in prejudice against people's sexual preferences). He used to appear on .TV's Chips With Everything answering questions like How can I use my Windows 98 computer as a router? with answers like For that, you need a real Operating System. That sounds like a program actually worth watching - and that's a rare beast! I wonder when it's on? Incidentally, the penguin has landed in Turkey. We've just started getting the Turkish version of Tech TV, and they've started a programme called Penguin Diary (or rather, the equivalent in Turkish, which I can't type in ASCII characters!). Good news indeed Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
