Re: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums
On Sunday 09 Nov 2003 2:36 am, aronsmith wrote: On Saturday 08 November 2003 06:25 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: 5. Mandrake's marketing guy says, No big deal. Huh? Cash poor companies have done dumber things I wouldn't have thought anyone could stop them marketing dealerships, but they should not be able to claim exclusive dealerships, since anyone can legally distribute. At least, that's my reading. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums
On Sunday 09 Nov 2003 10:36 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 09 Nov 2003 2:36 am, aronsmith wrote: On Saturday 08 November 2003 06:25 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: 5. Mandrake's marketing guy says, No big deal. Huh? Cash poor companies have done dumber things I wouldn't have thought anyone could stop them marketing dealerships, but they should not be able to claim exclusive dealerships, since anyone can legally distribute. At least, that's my reading. Nothing about them as a wholesaler or reseller on MandrakeSoft's site. Anyway, that should only apply to MandrakeSoft boxed packages, not download editions. MandrakeSoft should kick them out for this scam. Maybe they already have; (it has been 4 days since François's post.) This weakens the GPL at a time it doesn't need it. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums
On Sunday 09 November 2003 07:32 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 08 November 2003 09:36 pm, aronsmith wrote: Cash poor companies have done dumber things And many of them continued to become even more cash poor before they disappeared. That's not something that I want to see happen here. -- cmg Agreed I like Mandrake! -- PK Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums
aronsmith wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 07:32 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 08 November 2003 09:36 pm, aronsmith wrote: Cash poor companies have done dumber things And many of them continued to become even more cash poor before they disappeared. That's not something that I want to see happen here. -- cmg Agreed I like Mandrake! Hey, maybe it's the marketing guy who's running it. It seems like something only a 'marketing guy' would come up with. -- pn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums
On Sunday 09 November 2003 09:49 am, Phil Newcombe wrote: aronsmith wrote: On Sunday 09 November 2003 07:32 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 08 November 2003 09:36 pm, aronsmith wrote: Cash poor companies have done dumber things And many of them continued to become even more cash poor before they disappeared. That's not something that I want to see happen here. -- cmg Agreed I like Mandrake! Hey, maybe it's the marketing guy who's running it. It seems like something only a 'marketing guy' would come up with. Well you know how it is in the Marketing Department two drink minimum ya know -- pn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- PK Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums
Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 08 November 2003 02:15 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: There was a big discussion in the Club forums about whether these guys are really partners of MandrakeSoft or whether they are just being sleazy and trying to make it look like they are. None of there agreements list Mandrakesoft as a actual signatory, although the descriptions represent that they are authorizing all of this. The discussion on the Club started because some guy that was selling the download edition on e-bay got his auctions yanked because himandrake represented themselves to ebay as the owner of the mandrake trademarks and copyrights. If this is a US based partner of MandrakeSoft that is enforcing an exclusive agreement, fine, but they could also be a sleazy outfit that is trying to profit off of Mandrake's good name. I am more inclined to think the latter because I don't see anywhere on the himandrake site where they state they are an official partner, and every place where they might say so, it refers only to himandrake or Heavy Industrial and there are no links to the MandrakeSoft or linux-mandrake websites. Greg: Evidently HiMandrake _does_ have some sort of an arrangement with Mandrake. See the November 5 post by fbhancilhon (AKA Francois -- IIRC, he is Mandrake's marketing HMFIC). It's partway down this page: http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Splatt_Forumfile=viewtopictopic=13891forum=12start=0 Let me see if I've got this straight: 1. Mandrake invented the Mandrake Club two years ago as a way of resolving its cash problems. 2. In order to increase Club membership, Mandrake recently sweetened the pot by allowing only Club members to download 9.2 for the first few weeks after release. 3. Mandrake's distributor (HiMandrake) gets the Club-only files, burns some CD's, and offers them on e-bay _before_ the ISO's are available to man + dog. Sorta defeats the Club exclusivity feature, doesn't it? 4. The same distributor also shuts down anyone else who tries the same scam^H^H^H^Hdeal, claiming to have exclusive rights. 5. Mandrake's marketing guy says, No big deal. Huh? -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Maybe they are burning the CDs for Mandrake and part of the deal is they can distribute the CDs. Or maybe, their agreement with Mandrake said they could sell CDs after such and such date, which was with the assumption the box sets would be ready. Or maybe they paid Mandrake some some of money to be able to do this. Regardless, they have Mandrake's blessing. Besides, Mandrake is making $1 per set which is $1 more per set than all the bittorrent iso generated. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 09 Nov 2003 2:36 am, aronsmith wrote: On Saturday 08 November 2003 06:25 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: 5. Mandrake's marketing guy says, No big deal. Huh? Cash poor companies have done dumber things I wouldn't have thought anyone could stop them marketing dealerships, but they should not be able to claim exclusive dealerships, since anyone can legally distribute. At least, that's my reading. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Technically, wouldn't you have to strip out all of the Mandrake trademarks and copyrights to redistribute (without a deal, that is). That's the same thing that happened with people distributing Redhat, they were stopped because of the Redhat trademarks. Besides, there is a difference between DISTRIBUTING (ie making CDs for friends, club, installfest, etc.) and SELLING copies. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums
On Monday 10 Nov 2003 3:03 am, Joeb wrote: Technically, wouldn't you have to strip out all of the Mandrake trademarks and copyrights to redistribute (without a deal, that is). That's the same thing that happened with people distributing Redhat, they were stopped because of the Redhat trademarks. Besides, there is a difference between DISTRIBUTING (ie making CDs for friends, club, installfest, etc.) and SELLING copies. You're probably right, Joeb. And I don't know what they are charging. I guess I was thinking along the lines of freeware, where you are allowed to charge reasonable costs. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] [OT] found on the forums
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Re: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 09:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.HImandrake.com/cd_distribution.php Mega cool __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- When you're being mugged..a handgun is more comfort than an ACLU lawyer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums
On Saturday 08 November 2003 01:41 pm, Aronsmith wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 09:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.HImandrake.com/cd_distribution.php Mega cool __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com There was a big discussion in the Club forums about whether these guys are really partners of MandrakeSoft or whether they are just being sleazy and trying to make it look like they are. None of there agreements list Mandrakesoft as a actual signatory, although the descriptions represent that they are authorizing all of this. The discussion on the Club started because some guy that was selling the download edition on e-bay got his auctions yanked because himandrake represented themselves to ebay as the owner of the mandrake trademarks and copyrights. If this is a US based partner of MandrakeSoft that is enforcing an exclusive agreement, fine, but they could also be a sleazy outfit that is trying to profit off of Mandrake's good name. I am more inclined to think the latter because I don't see anywhere on the himandrake site where they state they are an official partner, and every place where they might say so, it refers only to himandrake or Heavy Industrial and there are no links to the MandrakeSoft or linux-mandrake websites. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums
On Saturday 08 November 2003 07:15 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 08 November 2003 01:41 pm, Aronsmith wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 09:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.HImandrake.com/cd_distribution.php Mega cool __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com There was a big discussion in the Club forums about whether these guys are really partners of MandrakeSoft or whether they are just being sleazy and trying to make it look like they are. None of there agreements list Mandrakesoft as a actual signatory, although the descriptions represent that they are authorizing all of this. The discussion on the Club started because some guy that was selling the download edition on e-bay got his auctions yanked because himandrake represented themselves to ebay as the owner of the mandrake trademarks and copyrights. If this is a US based partner of MandrakeSoft that is enforcing an exclusive agreement, fine, but they could also be a sleazy outfit that is trying to profit off of Mandrake's good name. I am more inclined to think the latter because I don't see anywhere on the himandrake site where they state they are an official partner, and every place where they might say so, it refers only to himandrake or Heavy Industrial and there are no links to the MandrakeSoft or linux-mandrake websites. and I don't see any notice of them or a news release on any Mandrake site either. h Ain't me. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums
Has anybody asked Mandrake? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Meyer Sent: 08 November 2003 19:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums On Saturday 08 November 2003 01:41 pm, Aronsmith wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 09:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.HImandrake.com/cd_distribution.php Mega cool __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com There was a big discussion in the Club forums about whether these guys are really partners of MandrakeSoft or whether they are just being sleazy and trying to make it look like they are. None of there agreements list Mandrakesoft as a actual signatory, although the descriptions represent that they are authorizing all of this. The discussion on the Club started because some guy that was selling the download edition on e-bay got his auctions yanked because himandrake represented themselves to ebay as the owner of the mandrake trademarks and copyrights. If this is a US based partner of MandrakeSoft that is enforcing an exclusive agreement, fine, but they could also be a sleazy outfit that is trying to profit off of Mandrake's good name. I am more inclined to think the latter because I don't see anywhere on the himandrake site where they state they are an official partner, and every place where they might say so, it refers only to himandrake or Heavy Industrial and there are no links to the MandrakeSoft or linux-mandrake websites. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums
On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 12:43, et wrote: On Saturday 08 November 2003 07:15 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Saturday 08 November 2003 01:41 pm, Aronsmith wrote: On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 09:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.HImandrake.com/cd_distribution.php Mega cool __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com There was a big discussion in the Club forums about whether these guys are really partners of MandrakeSoft or whether they are just being sleazy and trying to make it look like they are. None of there agreements list Mandrakesoft as a actual signatory, although the descriptions represent that they are authorizing all of this. The discussion on the Club started because some guy that was selling the download edition on e-bay got his auctions yanked because himandrake represented themselves to ebay as the owner of the mandrake trademarks and copyrights. If this is a US based partner of MandrakeSoft that is enforcing an exclusive agreement, fine, but they could also be a sleazy outfit that is trying to profit off of Mandrake's good name. I am more inclined to think the latter because I don't see anywhere on the himandrake site where they state they are an official partner, and every place where they might say so, it refers only to himandrake or Heavy Industrial and there are no links to the MandrakeSoft or linux-mandrake websites. and I don't see any notice of them or a news release on any Mandrake site either. h Ain't me. Come to think about it what are they offering that you cain'can't do anyway. Except represent yourself as Mandrake __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- When you're being mugged..a handgun is more comfort than an ACLU lawyer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums
On Saturday 08 November 2003 02:15 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: There was a big discussion in the Club forums about whether these guys are really partners of MandrakeSoft or whether they are just being sleazy and trying to make it look like they are. None of there agreements list Mandrakesoft as a actual signatory, although the descriptions represent that they are authorizing all of this. The discussion on the Club started because some guy that was selling the download edition on e-bay got his auctions yanked because himandrake represented themselves to ebay as the owner of the mandrake trademarks and copyrights. If this is a US based partner of MandrakeSoft that is enforcing an exclusive agreement, fine, but they could also be a sleazy outfit that is trying to profit off of Mandrake's good name. I am more inclined to think the latter because I don't see anywhere on the himandrake site where they state they are an official partner, and every place where they might say so, it refers only to himandrake or Heavy Industrial and there are no links to the MandrakeSoft or linux-mandrake websites. Greg: Evidently HiMandrake _does_ have some sort of an arrangement with Mandrake. See the November 5 post by fbhancilhon (AKA Francois -- IIRC, he is Mandrake's marketing HMFIC). It's partway down this page: http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Splatt_Forumfile=viewtopictopic=13891forum=12start=0 Let me see if I've got this straight: 1. Mandrake invented the Mandrake Club two years ago as a way of resolving its cash problems. 2. In order to increase Club membership, Mandrake recently sweetened the pot by allowing only Club members to download 9.2 for the first few weeks after release. 3. Mandrake's distributor (HiMandrake) gets the Club-only files, burns some CD's, and offers them on e-bay _before_ the ISO's are available to man + dog. Sorta defeats the Club exclusivity feature, doesn't it? 4. The same distributor also shuts down anyone else who tries the same scam^H^H^H^Hdeal, claiming to have exclusive rights. 5. Mandrake's marketing guy says, No big deal. Huh? -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] found on the forums
On Saturday 08 November 2003 06:25 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Saturday 08 November 2003 02:15 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: There was a big discussion in the Club forums about whether these guys are really partners of MandrakeSoft or whether they are just being sleazy and trying to make it look like they are. None of there agreements list Mandrakesoft as a actual signatory, although the descriptions represent that they are authorizing all of this. The discussion on the Club started because some guy that was selling the download edition on e-bay got his auctions yanked because himandrake represented themselves to ebay as the owner of the mandrake trademarks and copyrights. If this is a US based partner of MandrakeSoft that is enforcing an exclusive agreement, fine, but they could also be a sleazy outfit that is trying to profit off of Mandrake's good name. I am more inclined to think the latter because I don't see anywhere on the himandrake site where they state they are an official partner, and every place where they might say so, it refers only to himandrake or Heavy Industrial and there are no links to the MandrakeSoft or linux-mandrake websites. Greg: Evidently HiMandrake _does_ have some sort of an arrangement with Mandrake. See the November 5 post by fbhancilhon (AKA Francois -- IIRC, he is Mandrake's marketing HMFIC). It's partway down this page: http://www.mandrakeclub.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Splatt_Forum; file=viewtopictopic=13891forum=12start=0 Let me see if I've got this straight: 1. Mandrake invented the Mandrake Club two years ago as a way of resolving its cash problems. 2. In order to increase Club membership, Mandrake recently sweetened the pot by allowing only Club members to download 9.2 for the first few weeks after release. 3. Mandrake's distributor (HiMandrake) gets the Club-only files, burns some CD's, and offers them on e-bay _before_ the ISO's are available to man + dog. Sorta defeats the Club exclusivity feature, doesn't it? 4. The same distributor also shuts down anyone else who tries the same scam^H^H^H^Hdeal, claiming to have exclusive rights. 5. Mandrake's marketing guy says, No big deal. Huh? Cash poor companies have done dumber things -- cmg -- PK Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
