Re: [newbie] 9.2: 1st boot eth0 connects to LAN, 2nd boot etc. not - dhcp assigns loopback
Brian Parish wrote I'll be delighted to try static again, so fire away. appreciatively, cliff OK. Run DrakConnect and click on the wizard. Let it detect the network card. Enter a name for your machine, an IP address in the same range as your W$ machines and the same subnet they are using and you are basically good to go. You haven't mentioned how your internet access is organized so I'll assume you are using dial-up directly from the linux box, but if not you'll need to also tell DrakConnect the IP address of your gateway and enter the DNS addresses in /etc/resolv.conf That's a quick and dirty explanation. If it falls short on detail, just ask. cheers Brian Bingo. Thanks so much Brian, I think the problem with trying static before was that the subnets didn't match between the machines, and I was mesmerized by incredulity at the second boot dhcp issue. I wish I could return a favor, wherever in the Commonwealth you are (the 'cheers' gives that away, I think). I'm in the left-wing part of crazy Arnold's state (that narrows it down). Maybe a laugh: Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile away and you'll have their shoes. Thanks again, Cliff Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2: 1st boot eth0 connects to LAN, 2nd boot etc. not - dhcp assigns loopback
On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 05:33, Cliff Skoog wrote: Bingo. Thanks so much Brian, I think the problem with trying static before was that the subnets didn't match between the machines, and I was mesmerized by incredulity at the second boot dhcp issue. Hi there: I was following this thread very closely. Could you, please, post the IP you got from DHCP and the static IP that you have setup to solve your problem? Regards, Adolfo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2: 1st boot eth0 connects to LAN, 2nd boot etc. not - dhcp assigns loopback
On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 21:53, Adolfo Bello wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 05:33, Cliff Skoog wrote: Bingo. Thanks so much Brian, I think the problem with trying static before was that the subnets didn't match between the machines, and I was mesmerized by incredulity at the second boot dhcp issue. Hi there: I was following this thread very closely. Could you, please, post the IP you got from DHCP and the static IP that you have setup to solve your problem? Regards, Adolfo Cliff will probably respond, but in case he doesn't...you can use a number of address ranges, but the most frequently used is probably 192.168.0.x where x is between 1 and 254 with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 It depends a bit on what else is in your network. For example, one of the standard addresses used by routers is 10.0.0.138 (same subnet). If you have one of these it's just as easy to use the 10.0.0.x range so you don't have to change the router's address. Doesn't really matter as long as the range used is consistent and the subnets match. The advantage of using these particular numbers is that they are in defined ranges that do not get routed across the internet, so they'll stay private to your LAN no matter how you manage to screw up your router/firewall/whatever. HTH Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2: 1st boot eth0 connects to LAN, 2nd boot etc. not - dhcp assigns loopback
Brian Parish wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 21:53, Adolfo Bello wrote: Hi there: I was following this thread very closely. Could you, please, post the IP you got from DHCP and the static IP that you have setup to solve your problem? Regards, Adolfo Cliff will probably respond, but in case he doesn't...you can use a number of address ranges, but the most frequently used is probably 192.168.0.x where x is between 1 and 254 with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 It depends a bit on what else is in your network. For example, one of the standard addresses used by routers is 10.0.0.138 (same subnet). If you have one of these it's just as easy to use the 10.0.0.x range so you don't have to change the router's address. Doesn't really matter as long as the range used is consistent and the subnets match. The advantage of using these particular numbers is that they are in defined ranges that do not get routed across the internet, so they'll stay private to your LAN no matter how you manage to screw up your router/firewall/whatever. HTH Brian Hi Adolfo, Brian's got the goods here really. My machines have IPs set in the 169.254.xxx.xxx range, just because when it worked with dhcp, that had been the address assigned. When dchp failed it kept setting 127.255.255.255, which I think is in the loopback range. The subnet I now use is 255.255.0.0 which is somewhat arbitrary also, as I understand. Good luck Cliff Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2: 1st boot eth0 connects to LAN, 2nd boot etc. not - dhcp assigns loopback
On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 18:32, Cliff Skoog wrote: Brian Parish wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 21:53, Adolfo Bello wrote: Hi there: I was following this thread very closely. Could you, please, post the IP you got from DHCP and the static IP that you have setup to solve your problem? Regards, Adolfo Cliff will probably respond, but in case he doesn't...you can use a number of address ranges, but the most frequently used is probably 192.168.0.x where x is between 1 and 254 with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 It depends a bit on what else is in your network. For example, one of the standard addresses used by routers is 10.0.0.138 (same subnet). If you have one of these it's just as easy to use the 10.0.0.x range so you don't have to change the router's address. Doesn't really matter as long as the range used is consistent and the subnets match. The advantage of using these particular numbers is that they are in defined ranges that do not get routed across the internet, so they'll stay private to your LAN no matter how you manage to screw up your router/firewall/whatever. HTH Brian Hi Adolfo, Brian's got the goods here really. My machines have IPs set in the 169.254.xxx.xxx range, just because when it worked with dhcp, that had been the address assigned. When dchp failed it kept setting 127.255.255.255, which I think is in the loopback range. The subnet I now use is 255.255.0.0 which is somewhat arbitrary also, as I understand. Good luck Cliff Thank you, Cliff. I don't have any problem with my network settings. I just was intrigued by your problem. As I understand it, the IP range 169.254.x.x is self assigned by the DHCP client when a DHCP server could not be contacted. It indicates an unsuccessful DHCP request. From http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-zeroconf-ipv4-linklocal-10.txt This document describes a method by which a host may automatically configure an interface with an IPv4 address in the 169.254/16 prefix that is valid for Link-Local communication on that interface. This is especially valuable in environments where no other configuration mechanism is available. The IPv4 prefix 169.254/16 is registered with the IANA for this purpose. I would recommend changing the static assigned IP addresses from 169.254.x.x to another subnet, like 192.168.0.x with mask=255.255.255.0 Regards, Adolfo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] 9.2: 1st boot eth0 connects to LAN, 2nd boot etc. not - dhcp assigns loopback
Hello wise ones, I had 9.1 running (Dell Precision 420 MT dual processor). Installed 9.2 (and reinstalled several times - same thing), and my Win95 shares showed up the 1st time I booted. And the address was pingable. All boots thereafter, eth0 was assigned to 127.255.255.255 on boot through dchp, the shares were gone (thought my hub lights blink). I ping the Windows IP and get 'network unreachable.' Much net searching has led to a better understanding of networking, but no solution. I'm now keeping a copy of the 9.2 virgin install on a 2nd partition so I can keep trying without the hour of reinstallation each time. HELP Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2: 1st boot eth0 connects to LAN, 2nd boot etc. not - dhcp assigns loopback
On Sat, 2003-11-01 at 23:44, Cliff Skoog wrote: Hello wise ones, I had 9.1 running (Dell Precision 420 MT dual processor). Installed 9.2 (and reinstalled several times - same thing), and my Win95 shares showed up the 1st time I booted. And the address was pingable. All boots thereafter, eth0 was assigned to 127.255.255.255 on boot through dchp, the shares were gone (thought my hub lights blink). I ping the Windows IP and get 'network unreachable.' Much net searching has led to a better understanding of networking, but no solution. I'm now keeping a copy of the 9.2 virgin install on a 2nd partition so I can keep trying without the hour of reinstallation each time. HELP What happens when you do (as root): ifconfig ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 ifconfig Does it change address? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2: 1st boot eth0 connects to LAN, 2nd boot etc. not - dhcp assigns loopback
Brian Parish wrote: What happens when you do (as root): ifconfig ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 ifconfig Does it change address? The same address is assigned, and the rest of the info is pretty much the same too. The only thing is, as during boot, it takes a long time for eth0 to be assigned an IP. It does on the first boot too, when it always does connect to the shares, but not quite as long that the next times when it doesn't connect. -cliff Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2: 1st boot eth0 connects to LAN, 2nd boot etc. not - dhcp assigns loopback
On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 08:13, Cliff Skoog wrote: Brian Parish wrote: What happens when you do (as root): ifconfig ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 ifconfig Does it change address? The same address is assigned, and the rest of the info is pretty much the same too. The only thing is, as during boot, it takes a long time for eth0 to be assigned an IP. It does on the first boot too, when it always does connect to the shares, but not quite as long that the next times when it doesn't connect. -cliff Sounds like your DHCP server is not serving too well. What device is providing the addresses? In any case, it's probably easiest just to go to static addresses and bypass all this. Particularly if you only have a couple of nodes, it's not exactly a major issue to maintain a static setup. If you want to go this way and are unclear about what settings to use, just post again. cheers Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2: 1st boot eth0 connects to LAN, 2nd boot etc. not - dhcp assigns loopback
Brian Parish wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 08:13, Cliff Skoog wrote: Brian Parish wrote: What happens when you do (as root): ifconfig ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 ifconfig Does it change address? The same address is assigned, and the rest of the info is pretty much the same too. The only thing is, as during boot, it takes a long time for eth0 to be assigned an IP. It does on the first boot too, when it always does connect to the shares, but not quite as long that the next times when it doesn't connect. -cliff Sounds like your DHCP server is not serving too well. What device is providing the addresses? In any case, it's probably easiest just to go to static addresses and bypass all this. Particularly if you only have a couple of nodes, it's not exactly a major issue to maintain a static setup. If you want to go this way and are unclear about what settings to use, just post again. cheers Brian Hello again, Thanks for looking into this. I've tried setting to static from the drake network tool, several times, trying to follow info I found. No joy on pinging Win95 either. Those Win machines have static IPs set, and can talk to each other, which I don't want to lose, so I'm reluctant to mess too much on that side, especially since the thing always works with dchp from a virgin install. Maybe I should go back to 9.1. But I'll be delighted to try static again, so fire away. appreciatively, cliff Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 9.2: 1st boot eth0 connects to LAN, 2nd boot etc. not - dhcp assigns loopback
On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 11:35, Cliff Skoog wrote: Brian Parish wrote: On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 08:13, Cliff Skoog wrote: Brian Parish wrote: What happens when you do (as root): ifconfig ifdown eth0 ifup eth0 ifconfig Does it change address? The same address is assigned, and the rest of the info is pretty much the same too. The only thing is, as during boot, it takes a long time for eth0 to be assigned an IP. It does on the first boot too, when it always does connect to the shares, but not quite as long that the next times when it doesn't connect. -cliff Sounds like your DHCP server is not serving too well. What device is providing the addresses? In any case, it's probably easiest just to go to static addresses and bypass all this. Particularly if you only have a couple of nodes, it's not exactly a major issue to maintain a static setup. If you want to go this way and are unclear about what settings to use, just post again. cheers Brian Hello again, Thanks for looking into this. I've tried setting to static from the drake network tool, several times, trying to follow info I found. No joy on pinging Win95 either. Those Win machines have static IPs set, and can talk to each other, which I don't want to lose, so I'm reluctant to mess too much on that side, especially since the thing always works with dchp from a virgin install. Maybe I should go back to 9.1. But I'll be delighted to try static again, so fire away. appreciatively, cliff OK. Run DrakConnect and click on the wizard. Let it detect the network card. Enter a name for your machine, an IP address in the same range as your W$ machines and the same subnet they are using and you are basically good to go. You haven't mentioned how your internet access is organized so I'll assume you are using dial-up directly from the linux box, but if not you'll need to also tell DrakConnect the IP address of your gateway and enter the DNS addresses in /etc/resolv.conf That's a quick and dirty explanation. If it falls short on detail, just ask. cheers Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
