Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:07 am, JRH wrote: I'm still getting the delivery failure notifications I post to the group, and my message comes through, and is on the group. Then 10 minutes later, I get a delivery failure message. What is up? JRH Happens to me all the time. I thought it only happened to people that didn't really contribute anything of value. But if it happens to others that can't be the reason? Charlie. -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 --- The mass never comes up to the standard of its best member, but on the contrary degrades itself to a level with the lowest. .Henry David Thoreau ___ This email is guaranteed to be Wholly Linux Mandrake 9.2, KMail v1.5.3 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Experience what others using Mandrake Linux have experienced at:- http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:20 am, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: robin wrote: I received this from Christophe - does anyone know what the problem is? Hello, I tried again to sign up for the newbie list and every time I get this error message... Do you know what to do? Thank you Christophe Original Message Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:15:26 +0300 (EEST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery System) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the Postfix program at host labris2.ttnet.net.tr. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program [EMAIL PROTECTED]: host smtp1.mandrax.org[212.85.147.170] said: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [212.156.4.153] (in reply to RCPT TO command) Reporting-MTA: dns; labris2.ttnet.net.tr Arrival-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:42:14 +0300 (EEST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host smtp1.mandrax.org[212.85.147.170] said: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [212.156.4.153] (in reply to RCPT TO command) Subject: subscribe newbie From: rhein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:42:16 +0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I bet he is trying to send the mail directly, instead of relaying through his ISP's mail server. The system can not match a host name to the IP address, so it is rejecting it. You can also run into problems if the hostname your mail server uses fails DNS lookup. It is all part of what systems are doing to try and fight SPAM. Mikkel I send it through my ISP, and there might be a difficulty with the way my ISP handles the things that it should do well. They really have no idea, or so I am told by everyone. Charlie. -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 --- As for the pyramids, there is nothing to wonder at in them so much as the fact that so many men could be found degraded enough to spend their lives constructing a tomb for some ambitious booby, whom it would have been wiser and manlier to have drowned in the Nile, and then given his body to the dogs. ...Henry David Thoreau ___ This email is guaranteed to be Wholly Linux Mandrake 9.2, KMail v1.5.3 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Experience what others using Mandrake Linux have experienced at:- http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 22:53, Lanman spewed forth: Hmmm; Good Grammar, Solid Points, Good Phrasing, Nice Positive/Pro-Active Attitude, but ultimately, Nah! Doesn't Play Stephen. I went to private school from year three and forward through to year 12 - at parochial schools, nonetheless. So yes, mostly my grammar and spelling are correct along with my phrasing - I used to do quite a fair amount of writing - either poetry, short stories or technical reports and documentation. Pfftp! Nice Try Though! Ever thought of running for office? You've been reading Mandrake-Offtopic again have you? Grin! I agree with everything except the part about there's a point to be missed. Sure it makes sense to see this as an opportunity, but I don't think Sympa was built with the idea of being a teaching tool. Everything else was Bang-On though! On the other hand, think of the learning experience that Microsoft became to us all! Boy did we learn a lot about BSOD's, bugs, viruses, and getting ripped off! That is, IF you started out with Windows...I, my dear sir, didn't - Windows was merely a break between OS/2 and, well...er, OS/2...although I did use Windows quite a bit between 1998 and 2000... One last item. Can we please not get into the Beer thread again? The bandwidth that it chewed up last time is still being felt in some countries! Grin! Sorry about the beer mention - it's just something that HAS to be mentioned - c'mon - we can't let just worms, viruses, trojans and spyware be the only things pushing mail servers to their limits, now can we? P.S. Have a great day, even though your toilet bowls drain in the wrong direction down there! ...yeah - when the water spins in the other direction, things cling to the bowl moreso (or could that be because we don't flush in the same fashion as you water-wasting N.Americans...??) stephen kuhn - proprietor Stephen; I roared my A$$ off! Thanks for the humour! Have to go now. Jaw is hurting from laughing too much! Later Stephen! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
aron wrote: On Tuesday 08 June 2004 05:53 am, Lanman wrote: Stephen Kuhn wrote: Maybe we're all missing the point here, mates. Ya see, BECAUSE Sympa is spitting back these irritable messages, we're forced to either endure them and delete them manually - OR - perchance - to learn to use the features of our linux or non-Microsoft email packages - so as to use filters and rules to delete them prior to our even seeing them - so in effect, Sympa is providing us all with a learning experience and further compounding the Microsoft email clients that don't have the ability to properly filter inbound mail - and on that note as well, for those of use cluey enough to run an internal mail server, it gives us teh ability to make use of procmail filtering to delete those failed emails... ...think about it...makes sense, don't it? Hmmm? NEXT BEER! stephen kuhn - proprietor Hmmm; Good Grammar, Solid Points, Good Phrasing, Nice Positive/Pro-Active Attitude, but ultimately, Nah! Doesn't Play Stephen. Nice Try Though! Ever thought of running for office? Grin! I agree with everything except the part about there's a point to be missed. Sure it makes sense to see this as an opportunity, but I don't think Sympa was built with the idea of being a teaching tool. Everything else was Bang-On though! On the other hand, think of the learning experience that Microsoft became to us all! Boy did we learn a lot about BSOD's, bugs, viruses, and getting ripped off! One last item. Can we please not get into the Beer thread again? The bandwidth that it chewed up last time is still being felt in some countries! Grin! Lanman P.S. Have a great day, even though your toilet bowls drain in the wrong direction down there! So that's why he's full of it :D Grin! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 01:56, aron wrote: P.S. Have a great day, even though your toilet bowls drain in the wrong direction down there! So that's why he's full of it :D You remind of a prince - yeah - in a movie - see - and the movie is called Shrek - yeah - and like, the prince is called FARQUAD (I'm sure you can figure out the true meaning behind that, eh?) (g) stephen kuhn - proprietor Would you guys stop please? I'm laughing so hard my neighbours think I've lost it! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:37 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 19:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 05:07 am, JRH wrote: I'm still getting the delivery failure notifications I post to the group, and my message comes through, and is on the group. Then 10 minutes later, I get a delivery failure message. What is up? JRH Happens to me all the time. I thought it only happened to people that didn't really contribute anything of value. But if it happens to others that can't be the reason? Charlie. Maybe we're all missing the point here, mates. Ya see, BECAUSE Sympa is spitting back these irritable messages, we're forced to either endure them and delete them manually - OR - perchance - to learn to use the features of our linux or non-Microsoft email packages - so as to use filters and rules to delete them prior to our even seeing them - so in effect, Sympa is providing us all with a learning experience and further compounding the Microsoft email clients that don't have the ability to properly filter inbound mail - and on that note as well, for those of use cluey enough to run an internal mail server, it gives us teh ability to make use of procmail filtering to delete those failed emails... ...think about it...makes sense, don't it? Hmmm? NEXT BEER! Nope, we only see them because they appear in the filtered mail in the Rubbish directory. Charlie. -- Registered Linux User:- 329524 --- The perch swallows the grub-worm, the pickerel swallows the perch, and the fisherman swallows the pickerel; and so all the chinks in the scale of being are filled. .Henry David Thoreau ___ This email is guaranteed to be Wholly Linux Mandrake 9.2, KMail v1.5.3 and OpenOffice.org1.1.0 Experience what others using Mandrake Linux have experienced at:- http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] A friend with sympa problems
I received this from Christophe - does anyone know what the problem is? Hello, I tried again to sign up for the newbie list and every time I get this error message... Do you know what to do? Thank you Christophe Original Message Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:15:26 +0300 (EEST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery System) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the Postfix program at host labris2.ttnet.net.tr. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program [EMAIL PROTECTED]: host smtp1.mandrax.org[212.85.147.170] said: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [212.156.4.153] (in reply to RCPT TO command) Reporting-MTA: dns; labris2.ttnet.net.tr Arrival-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:42:14 +0300 (EEST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host smtp1.mandrax.org[212.85.147.170] said: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [212.156.4.153] (in reply to RCPT TO command) Subject: subscribe newbie From: rhein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:42:16 +0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I'm very into Britney Spears' early work, before she sold out, so mostly her, um, finger painting and macaroni art. Dawn - BtVS Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Universitesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
I'm still getting the delivery failure notifications I post to the group, and my message comes through, and is on the group. Then 10 minutes later, I get a delivery failure message. What is up? JRH -- Sent using Kmail, on Mandrake Linux 10CE Microsoft: Which Virus Would You Like to Catch Today? Registered Linux User #340061 20:05:51 up 3:00, 0 users, load average: 0.89, 1.09, 1.06 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 20:07:11 +0100 JRH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm still getting the delivery failure notifications I post to the group, and my message comes through, and is on the group. Then 10 minutes later, I get a delivery failure message. What is up? JRH -- Sent using Kmail, on Mandrake Linux 10CE Microsoft: Which Virus Would You Like to Catch Today? Registered Linux User #340061 20:05:51 up 3:00, 0 users, load average: 0.89, 1.09, 1.06 The same thing happened to me yesterday. My mails to the group ware delivered, or so it seemed to me anyway, but a while later a got a message from the Mandrake mailserver telling me they couldn't be delivered due to a mail loop. If you can read this, it is obviously working again. -- regards Björn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
JRH wrote: I'm still getting the delivery failure notifications I post to the group, and my message comes through, and is on the group. Then 10 minutes later, I get a delivery failure message. What is up? JRH Same Here, but at least I know my DNS server is working! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 22:07:09 +0300 robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received this from Christophe - does anyone know what the problem is? Hello, I tried again to sign up for the newbie list and every time I get this error message... Do you know what to do? Thank you Christophe Original Message Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:15:26 +0300 (EEST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery System) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the Postfix program at host labris2.ttnet.net.tr. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. snip Hi, I'm having problems too. When I try to post anything to newbie, using my normal mail account with my ISP, I get no confirmation message from Sympa. My post gets delivered anyway, or so it seems to me because I receive it, but after a while I get a message from the Mandrake mail server, telling me the mail could not be delivered because of a mail loop. If I am wrong, please tell me; did you seen any postings in newbie from me yesterday? For sending this mail I have switched to another account (not my ISP). When using this I get the Sympa confirmation, so I suppose it gets through. Am I right? Which is the most likely point of failure, my ISP or Mandrake? I seem to be able to send mail to other addresses. -- Regards Björn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
robin wrote: I received this from Christophe - does anyone know what the problem is? Hello, I tried again to sign up for the newbie list and every time I get this error message... Do you know what to do? Thank you Christophe Original Message Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:15:26 +0300 (EEST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery System) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the Postfix program at host labris2.ttnet.net.tr. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program [EMAIL PROTECTED]: host smtp1.mandrax.org[212.85.147.170] said: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [212.156.4.153] (in reply to RCPT TO command) Reporting-MTA: dns; labris2.ttnet.net.tr Arrival-Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 06:42:14 +0300 (EEST) Final-Recipient: rfc822; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.0.0 Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; host smtp1.mandrax.org[212.85.147.170] said: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [212.156.4.153] (in reply to RCPT TO command) Subject: subscribe newbie From: rhein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 06:42:16 +0300 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I bet he is trying to send the mail directly, instead of relaying through his ISP's mail server. The system can not match a host name to the IP address, so it is rejecting it. You can also run into problems if the hostname your mail server uses fails DNS lookup. It is all part of what systems are doing to try and fight SPAM. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
On Monday 07 June 2004 03:07 pm, robin wrote: I received this from Christophe - does anyone know what the problem is? Hello, I tried again to sign up for the newbie list and every time I get this error message... Do you know what to do? This happened to me and I fixed it by using my isp's smtp server instead of postfix, or by adding a dyndns entry for your host. Original Message Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:15:26 +0300 (EEST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery System) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the Postfix program at host labris2.ttnet.net.tr. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program [EMAIL PROTECTED]: host smtp1.mandrax.org[212.85.147.170] said: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [212.156.4.153] (in reply to RCPT TO command) Sympa does a lookup on your hostname to see if it can resolve to your ip address as a spam block. Since you are apparently are on a dynamic connection with no dns entry for a hostname, sympa will not accept a connection. Again, fix it by either entering a dynamic dns entry at a service like dyndns.org or use your isp's smtp servers instead of postfix. -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
On Monday 07 June 2004 03:15 pm, Björn Olsson wrote: The same thing happened to me yesterday. My mails to the group ware delivered, or so it seemed to me anyway, but a while later a got a message from the Mandrake mailserver telling me they couldn't be delivered due to a mail loop. If you can read this, it is obviously working again. That's a different message that we all get. His message was specifically pointed at sympa's inability to do a dns lookup on his hostname to resolve his ip address, which is a common problem with dynamic setups. -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:35:25 -0400 Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 03:15 pm, Björn Olsson wrote: The same thing happened to me yesterday. My mails to the group ware delivered, or so it seemed to me anyway, but a while later a got a message from the Mandrake mailserver telling me they couldn't be delivered due to a mail loop. If you can read this, it is obviously working again. That's a different message that we all get. His message was specifically pointed at sympa's inability to do a dns lookup on his hostname to resolve his ip address, which is a common problem with dynamic setups.-- /g I see. I haven't used this list for a while so I didn't know, sorry. Has this been going on for a long time? And what about Sympa's haphazard requests for confirmation? They are obviously not needed since most mails are delivered anyway? -- Björn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:34:06 -0400
Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Monday 07 June 2004 03:07 pm, robin wrote:
I received this from Christophe - does anyone know what the
problem is?
Hello,
I tried again to sign up for the newbie list and every time I
get this error message... Do you know what to do?
This happened to me and I fixed it by using my isp's smtp server
instead of postfix, or by adding a dyndns entry for your host.
Original Message
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 07:15:26 +0300 (EEST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery
System) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is the Postfix program at host labris2.ttnet.net.tr.
I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned
below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.
For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster
If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the message returned below.
The Postfix program
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: host
smtp1.mandrax.org[212.85.147.170] said: 450 Client host
rejected: cannot find your hostname, [212.156.4.153] (in reply
to RCPT TO command)
Sympa does a lookup on your hostname to see if it can resolve to
your ip address as a spam block. Since you are apparently are on
a dynamic connection with no dns entry for a hostname, sympa will
not accept a connection. Again, fix it by either entering a
dynamic dns entry at a service like dyndns.org or use your isp's
smtp servers instead of postfix.
--
/g
It's been happening to me for months. Standard pop3 mail.
Didn't see a problem. Just one more piece of junk mail.
Lee
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Re: [newbie] A friend with sympa problems
On Monday 07 June 2004 01:35 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Monday 07 June 2004 03:15 pm, Björn Olsson wrote: The same thing happened to me yesterday. My mails to the group ware delivered, or so it seemed to me anyway, but a while later a got a message from the Mandrake mailserver telling me they couldn't be delivered due to a mail loop. If you can read this, it is obviously working again. That's a different message that we all get. His message was specifically pointed at sympa's inability to do a dns lookup on his hostname to resolve his ip address, which is a common problem with dynamic setups. Don't think so I have a static IP and I get them..go figger Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
