Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 03:17, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 9:18 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 20:06, Richard Urwin wrote: > > > On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 7:19 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > > > > What I find so shocking about the whole bit is that M$ PROMISED that > > they're not spying on your system > > I may be niaive, but how can they offer you updates for the software you > have installed, without looking to see what is one your computer? > Anne 'Windows Update (win98)' is meant to go and see what's available. then the utility on your machine sorts what you have, and thus what to download. I don't update my 98 at all. Just install my legacy progs and NEVER conect it to the net. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
>> Tom: >> You bring up a good point. The only valid conclusion is that >> either they are >> perjurers and monopolists, or traitors and monopolists. Don't hold your >> breath waiting for John Ashcroft to announce that anyone has >> been indicted, >> though. I would say they are Traitors and Monopolists. Since they take school districts and government agencies to court over licenses for billions of dollars WHY in gods name take school districts to court when they are already low on money and firing teachers left and right b/c of the type of situation with the economy? They are just making it worse. They could atleast give high schools and below (elementary and middle/junior high) licenses for the desency of our youth trying to learn. Does MS want the youngsters of today to learn Linux (which is starting to happen with RH and the RHCE program) or do they want them to learn MS, or does MS want districts to actually purchase Apple products? , geee, i wonder. Seems like more and more everyday districts and colleges are going with Linux b/c it is free/cheap. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
On Sunday 02 March 2003 10:40 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: > On Sunday March 2 2003 06:21 am, Dennis & Sue wrote: > > > I wonder if the Chinese - whom Big Bad Bill is going to visit, > > > fully understand the gist of security issues by signing on the > > > dotted line... > > > > I'm sure they will have a special site just to themselves. Where M$ > > "promises" not to spy on them. And I'm sure M$ won't. ( Not right > > away anyways, Gotta lull them into a false sense of security first > > ). > > Speaking of security. During the DoJ/M$ trial(s), the States > wanted M$ to release Windows source. M$ argued that to do so would > compromise National Security. So it's either ironic, or criminal that > they're now furnishing it to the Chinese and some other governments. Tom: You bring up a good point. The only valid conclusion is that either they are perjurers and monopolists, or traitors and monopolists. Don't hold your breath waiting for John Ashcroft to announce that anyone has been indicted, though. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
>> This isn't meant as an insult ,so don't take it that way. >> You sound like others I have "heard". Almost apologetic about >> the fact that >> some distros made a profit, or intend to. >> As though they have somehow "soiled" the O.S. movement with money. >> Profit is not a dirty word. It is a necessary thing in order to >> pay wages, >> build infrastructure, Do R & D, build a better company, Do advertising, >> Secure a future, etc. >> It wouldn't bother me a bit if Mandrake had $40 billion in the >> bank, as it >> were. Provided they earned it honestly, And not through >> extortion, or other >> nefarious methods. Or engage in M$ tactics to further themselves >> among the >> other distros. >> If the above came, or comes to pass. I would drop Mandrake faster than I >> dropped Microsoft. >> Because Mandrake has an example of what not to do. It isn't >> right of M$ to do >> these things, Not because they are M$, But because this behaviour isn't >> morally justifiable. I totally agree with them making a profit or if they had billions in the bank. I like what they have put out and will continue to do so unless they do move to those tactics... Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 3:27 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > On Sunday 02 March 2003 09:17 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > I wonder if the Chinese - whom Big Bad Bill is going to visit, fully > > > understand the gist of security issues by signing on the dotted line... > > > > I would guess so. There are some very savvy people out there. > > > > Anne > > If they don't know, tell'em to talk to the Germans - they dropped Windows > because they said that Microsoft had it setup to report stuff on their > military back to our military. In Beijjing buses run around with linux slogans on the side. There is much support for it there, so I don't expect that Bill will get any more than they actually want to give - and that won't be much. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
On Sunday March 2 2003 06:21 am, Dennis & Sue wrote: > > I wonder if the Chinese - whom Big Bad Bill is going to visit, > > fully understand the gist of security issues by signing on the > > dotted line... > > I'm sure they will have a special site just to themselves. Where M$ > "promises" not to spy on them. And I'm sure M$ won't. ( Not right > away anyways, Gotta lull them into a false sense of security first > ). Speaking of security. During the DoJ/M$ trial(s), the States wanted M$ to release Windows source. M$ argued that to do so would compromise National Security. So it's either ironic, or criminal that they're now furnishing it to the Chinese and some other governments. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
On Sunday 02 March 2003 10:27 am, Ronald J. Hall wrote: > If they don't know, tell'em to talk to the Germans - they dropped Windows > because they said that Microsoft had it setup to report stuff on their > military back to our military. Sorry, forgot to add the link! :-) http://www.aaxnet.com/news/M010318.html -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
On Sunday 02 March 2003 09:17 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > I wonder if the Chinese - whom Big Bad Bill is going to visit, fully > > understand the gist of security issues by signing on the dotted line... > > I would guess so. There are some very savvy people out there. > > Anne If they don't know, tell'em to talk to the Germans - they dropped Windows because they said that Microsoft had it setup to report stuff on their military back to our military. -- /\ Dark< >Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
> > What I find so shocking about the whole bit is that M$ PROMISED that > > they're not spying on your system > I may be niaive, but how can they offer you updates for the software you > have installed, without looking to see what is one your computer? That, I wouldn't have a problem with. Provided that once the "transaction" is completed, The information was purged, deleted, whatever. Rather than being filed away on some server for a future use to them. Be it for marketing opportunities, spying opportunites, market research opportunites, or to bully a hardware / software manufactuerer into compliance with the M$ way. > >when in fact they really are. M$ has > > consistently gone back on their promises of privacy for end-users - even > > so far as changing the entire structure of their licensing agreements > > and out-dating their original EULA's. Sad to think that you trust > > someone like M$ and the original EULA that you bought a package with and > > less than two years later the EULA is NIL and your privacy is OPENED to > > them. > > The without-proper-warning change to EULAs worry me more. The media update > that gets you to say that they can install anything they want on your > computer, for instance. It must be one of the most popular updates, and > people don't know what they're signing for. One potential issue that has been raised is that : Mom buys Lotus, or whatever. But M$ really doesn't want that to operate. So it effectively "breaks" a competitors product. Another is that, If media player "decides" that you have pirated that music, or dvd It's just not gonna allow you to play the cd, or mp3, or whatever. And these issues are really not the main issue to me. Because if / when they come about. The outcry will cause change, or death, ( or they will just bury it deeper than we can look). It's the arrogance of M$ " we know best " and "Your computer is now belonging to us" that I find most appalling. Like I should have to beg permission to run a product I purchased ( XP ) Or explain why I need a new code because I upgraded something, ( Not because the operating system crashed on it's own accord of course, We all know that would never happen ). I have "heard" people say things like, " There will be a crack for this, or that. Someone will come up with a way around it". That might be, But a crack is not the solution. Public outcry is. A boycott is. Not buying the crap is. Demonstrating with your dollars is. Which brings up this: How many times would you be able to get a code before they accused you of piracy ? Or, How long before say, XP is deemed "obsolete, and is no longer supported So you can't get a code ? This is OT, and I apologize for wasting bandwidth on it ( not that if it continues I wont also :). A good discussion, a necessary discussion, and a profitable discussion. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 9:18 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 20:06, Richard Urwin wrote: > > On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 7:19 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > What I find so shocking about the whole bit is that M$ PROMISED that > they're not spying on your system I may be niaive, but how can they offer you updates for the software you have installed, without looking to see what is one your computer? >when in fact they really are. M$ has > consistently gone back on their promises of privacy for end-users - even > so far as changing the entire structure of their licensing agreements > and out-dating their original EULA's. Sad to think that you trust > someone like M$ and the original EULA that you bought a package with and > less than two years later the EULA is NIL and your privacy is OPENED to > them. > The without-proper-warning change to EULAs worry me more. The media update that gets you to say that they can install anything they want on your computer, for instance. It must be one of the most popular updates, and people don't know what they're signing for. > I wonder if the Chinese - whom Big Bad Bill is going to visit, fully > understand the gist of security issues by signing on the dotted line... > I would guess so. There are some very savvy people out there. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
Dennis & Sue wrote: On Sunday 02 March 2003 05:08 am, Robert Wideman wrote: . That is why i like MDK so much is that they are a true company that is still giving their OS for free and we can decide to purchase if we want to. MDK might have money in the bank, This isn't meant as an insult ,so don't take it that way. You sound like others I have "heard". Almost apologetic about the fact that some distros made a profit, or intend to. As though they have somehow "soiled" the O.S. movement with money. Profit is not a dirty word. It is a necessary thing in order to pay wages, build infrastructure, Do R & D, build a better company, Do advertising, Secure a future, etc. It wouldn't bother me a bit if Mandrake had $40 billion in the bank, as it were. Provided they earned it honestly, And not through extortion, or other nefarious methods. Or engage in M$ tactics to further themselves among the other distros. If the above came, or comes to pass. I would drop Mandrake faster than I dropped Microsoft. Because Mandrake has an example of what not to do. It isn't right of M$ to do these things, Not because they are M$, But because this behaviour isn't morally justifiable. Excellent post! It is the same point I have been trying to make for some time. Everyone feels bad when Mandrake had to let go of key employees, but in turn hate it that Mandrake is looking for ways to generate a profit. No profit = no employees = no distro Your point on MS is also excellent. MDK is trying to find a way of generating a profit and still be true to OSF and FSF. I commend them on that, and is why I always buy a box version. Now if they would get their shipping department in order, I would buy it directly from them... -- Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Mandrake, Redhat and SuSE user Don't make me come down there -God Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: FW: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 21:28, Robert Wideman wrote: > Forgot to say thanks for this info Stephen. > Rob Ay - no worries mate...BTW, I haven't paid for an M$ product since the first day that Win95 came out - and got it on CD with a few extra boot disks - BECAUSE I wanted it THEN - and the beta software that M$ used to ship to me was a bit flaky at best...otherwise, being in the IT industry has given me avenues by which to "sample" and "demo" M$ software for years. I really hate selling it to customers - and it's a shocker to them when I tell them how much a computer costs - THEN how much it costs for the OS to go ON the computer - ooo...SO, I bypass the shits and tell them that if they've got their own copy of Windows, I'll be more than happy to install it on this brandy-new computer instead of purchasing MORE M$ crap...else I'll install linux for free. (grin) -- Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:55:00 +1100 9:55pm up 4 days, 11:58, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.07, 0.12 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;"""/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Son, when you participate in sporting events, it's not whether you win or lose: it's how drunk you get. -- Homer Simpson Bart Gets An Elephant Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
FW: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
Forgot to say thanks for this info Stephen. Rob >> I agree with Stephen on this one as well. How often does MS >> change their EULA? EVERYDAY. How often does MS change the story >> on what they are doing? EVERY MINUTE. I cant stand MS anymore. >> I never have "liked" the company, only the software which is >> basic and easy to use (in most cases). >> To the question of "Is there cause to worry?" YES, WHY DO YOU >> THINK HE POSTED THIS INFO??? >> Its all about users privacy and truth from companies. If i knew >> that MS was doing this then it would have been ok b/c i would >> have agreed to it if i kept using it. I have been wondering >> where the little banner that "information isnt being passed onto >> MS" went...into their EULA which you have to read before >> updating your OS which is made insucure by the company for the >> FUCKING DOLLAR that they so have to have. This is one thing >> that i have hated ever since moving to Austin, TXGOD DAMN >> CORPORATIONS LYING TO EVERYONE. Corporations are about the >> fucking buck, nothing about the user/employee. It is about >> saving their ass in the short term and what will get them ahead >> of everyone else. That is why i like MDK so much is that they >> are a true company that is still giving their OS for free and we >> can decide to purchase if we want to. MDK might have money in >> the bank, BUT they keep trying to save their ass by letting the >> public know they are on the verge of losing it. >> Who is it that keeps MDK up and running IT IS US, the USERS >> of purchase and LOVE what they are doing for the OSS community >> who actually respect what they do. >> Ok, i am on a tangent. Then again i am just getting over being >> drunk from the nite out on the town. >> Have fun >> Rob >> >> >> -Original Message- >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn >> >> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 3:19 AM >> >> To: Mandrake Newbie >> >> Subject: Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 20:06, Richard Urwin wrote: >> >> > On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 7:19 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: >> >> > > For those that still have to use M$ Windows for some reason - any >> >> > > reason; just what do YOU think M$ knows when you connect to >> >> the Windows >> >> > > Update site? >> >> > > >> >> > > http://www.tecchannel.de/betriebssysteme/1126/index.html >> >> > >> >> > All very interesting in a "look what I can do" way. But not >> >> very Open Source. >> >> > Have you paid the E1.99? Is there cause to worry? >> >> >> >> What I find so shocking about the whole bit is that M$ PROMISED that >> >> they're not spying on your system when in fact they really are. M$ has >> >> consistently gone back on their promises of privacy for >> end-users - even >> >> so far as changing the entire structure of their licensing agreements >> >> and out-dating their original EULA's. Sad to think that you trust >> >> someone like M$ and the original EULA that you bought a >> package with and >> >> less than two years later the EULA is NIL and your privacy is >> OPENED to >> >> them. >> >> >> >> It's very sad and very "Big Brother" - and the public is completely >> >> unaware of the true lack of privacy they have - they've been lulled >> >> into a false trust of a monopolistic and meglomaniacal company. >> >> >> >> I wonder if the Chinese - whom Big Bad Bill is going to visit, fully >> >> understand the gist of security issues by signing on the >> dotted line... >> >> >> >> Sorry to rant, but it's truly driving me further away from MS >> products. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:10:01 +1100 >> >> 8:10pm up 4 days, 10:13, 4 users, load average: 1.30, 1.01, 0.57 >> >> -- >> >> |____ | kuhn media australia| >> >> | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | >> >> | .\__/ || | | |=| >> >> | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| >> >> | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >> >> | |/ ._/ |"""""""""| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| >> >> | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | >> >> | ;"""/ / | | | | >> >> | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| >> >> | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | >> >> -- >> >> linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Military intelligence is a contradiction in terms. >> >> -- Groucho Marx >> >> >> >> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
>> That's the main reason that this machine is now 100% Linux. I've >> paid for all >> my previous Windows installs, but XP was a step too far. I >> decided to get off >> the wagon and get onto one going in a direction I agreed with. For those of you who dual boot, for GOD sakes, buy a $60 computer off ebay and save your self the hassle of rebooting and get the $50 belkin switch for 2 computers to one keyboard/mouse/monitor. My god. The only MS Windows I have ever paid for was the Win95 that came on my first computer, Compaq 7180...p100 w/ 8mb ramwhich was preinstalled before all this preinstall shit came about. Ever since then i have gotten it free from the companies that i work for. Actually I have gotten everything since Win98 free from MS themselves. Other than the Compaq box, I paid $40 for Office XP Pro that came with an $80 mouse (retail is was $80) and Office XP and a shirt came for freethis was 1.5 years ago when i worked for Dell Linux Server Support..HA. Win98, Win98Se, Office 2000, Win2kall free from MS directly, or through CompUSA whom i actually got it from through MS via retail Not-For-Resale kits. Thank god I am in the computer industry. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 9:18 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > Sorry to rant, but it's truly driving me further away from MS products. That's the main reason that this machine is now 100% Linux. I've paid for all my previous Windows installs, but XP was a step too far. I decided to get off the wagon and get onto one going in a direction I agreed with. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
I agree with Stephen on this one as well. How often does MS change their EULA? EVERYDAY. How often does MS change the story on what they are doing? EVERY MINUTE. I cant stand MS anymore. I never have "liked" the company, only the software which is basic and easy to use (in most cases). To the question of "Is there cause to worry?" YES, WHY DO YOU THINK HE POSTED THIS INFO??? Its all about users privacy and truth from companies. If i knew that MS was doing this then it would have been ok b/c i would have agreed to it if i kept using it. I have been wondering where the little banner that "information isnt being passed onto MS" went...into their EULA which you have to read before updating your OS which is made insucure by the company for the FUCKING DOLLAR that they so have to have. This is one thing that i have hated ever since moving to Austin, TXGOD DAMN CORPORATIONS LYING TO EVERYONE. Corporations are about the fucking buck, nothing about the user/employee. It is about saving their ass in the short term and what will get them ahead of everyone else. That is why i like MDK so much is that they are a true company that is still giving their OS for free and we can decide to purchase if we want to. MDK might have money in the bank, BUT they keep trying to save their ass by letting the public know they are on the verge of losing it. Who is it that keeps MDK up and running IT IS US, the USERS of purchase and LOVE what they are doing for the OSS community who actually respect what they do. Ok, i am on a tangent. Then again i am just getting over being drunk from the nite out on the town. Have fun Rob >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn >> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 3:19 AM >> To: Mandrake Newbie >> Subject: Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled >> >> >> On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 20:06, Richard Urwin wrote: >> > On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 7:19 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: >> > > For those that still have to use M$ Windows for some reason - any >> > > reason; just what do YOU think M$ knows when you connect to >> the Windows >> > > Update site? >> > > >> > > http://www.tecchannel.de/betriebssysteme/1126/index.html >> > >> > All very interesting in a "look what I can do" way. But not >> very Open Source. >> > Have you paid the E1.99? Is there cause to worry? >> >> What I find so shocking about the whole bit is that M$ PROMISED that >> they're not spying on your system when in fact they really are. M$ has >> consistently gone back on their promises of privacy for end-users - even >> so far as changing the entire structure of their licensing agreements >> and out-dating their original EULA's. Sad to think that you trust >> someone like M$ and the original EULA that you bought a package with and >> less than two years later the EULA is NIL and your privacy is OPENED to >> them. >> >> It's very sad and very "Big Brother" - and the public is completely >> unaware of the true lack of privacy they have - they've been lulled >> into a false trust of a monopolistic and meglomaniacal company. >> >> I wonder if the Chinese - whom Big Bad Bill is going to visit, fully >> understand the gist of security issues by signing on the dotted line... >> >> Sorry to rant, but it's truly driving me further away from MS products. >> >> -- >> Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:10:01 +1100 >> 8:10pm up 4 days, 10:13, 4 users, load average: 1.30, 1.01, 0.57 >> -- >> |____ | kuhn media australia| >> | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | >> | .\__/ || | | |=| >> | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| >> | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | >> | |/ ._/ |"""""""""| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| >> | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | >> | ;"""/ / | | | | >> | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| >> | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | >> -- >> linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting >> -- >> >> Military intelligence is a contradiction in terms. >> -- Groucho Marx >> >> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 20:06, Richard Urwin wrote: > On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 7:19 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > > For those that still have to use M$ Windows for some reason - any > > reason; just what do YOU think M$ knows when you connect to the Windows > > Update site? > > > > http://www.tecchannel.de/betriebssysteme/1126/index.html > > All very interesting in a "look what I can do" way. But not very Open Source. > Have you paid the E1.99? Is there cause to worry? What I find so shocking about the whole bit is that M$ PROMISED that they're not spying on your system when in fact they really are. M$ has consistently gone back on their promises of privacy for end-users - even so far as changing the entire structure of their licensing agreements and out-dating their original EULA's. Sad to think that you trust someone like M$ and the original EULA that you bought a package with and less than two years later the EULA is NIL and your privacy is OPENED to them. It's very sad and very "Big Brother" - and the public is completely unaware of the true lack of privacy they have - they've been lulled into a false trust of a monopolistic and meglomaniacal company. I wonder if the Chinese - whom Big Bad Bill is going to visit, fully understand the gist of security issues by signing on the dotted line... Sorry to rant, but it's truly driving me further away from MS products. -- Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:10:01 +1100 8:10pm up 4 days, 10:13, 4 users, load average: 1.30, 1.01, 0.57 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;"""/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Military intelligence is a contradiction in terms. -- Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 7:19 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: > For those that still have to use M$ Windows for some reason - any > reason; just what do YOU think M$ knows when you connect to the Windows > Update site? > > http://www.tecchannel.de/betriebssysteme/1126/index.html All very interesting in a "look what I can do" way. But not very Open Source. Have you paid the E1.99? Is there cause to worry? -- Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] ARTICLE: Windows Update security unveiled
For those that still have to use M$ Windows for some reason - any reason; just what do YOU think M$ knows when you connect to the Windows Update site? http://www.tecchannel.de/betriebssysteme/1126/index.html -- Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:15:01 +1100 6:15pm up 4 days, 8:18, 5 users, load average: 0.15, 0.22, 0.38 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;"""/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- If someone had told me I would be Pope one day, I would have studied harder. -- Pope John Paul I Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
