Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?
On Sunday 14 December 2003 03:04 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: I just got an Asus A7V600. It works nicely with 9.2, though only three of my five speakers work with onboard sound. What the hell, my sound card should be arriving on Wednesday, so I can have fun wrestling with that instead ;-) Sir Robin That's not on the TWiki page either, Sir Robin! Consider your hand slapped g [rubs hand] OK, it's up there. Seen it, thanks. We'll get that list to a really usable size before long. Anne I'm just gonna reiterate some previous cautions I've mentioned about TWiki (for which I'm probly still in the doghouse). First of all the intention and effort is laudable. It will only continue as such if it's totally constantly maintained and changed. It has no advice (opinions) contained that are carved in stone. It should prominently mention that the suggestions contained in various parts, are just that suggestions, opinions, ie, 'worked for me' and 'YMMV'. Not giving the impression of real world real time solutions. One of the reasons MandrakeUser became ineffectual and in many parts wrong and dated. For hardware, well idiots like me know that's a changing deal, month to month. Case in point, I suspect Robin might'a got an AV7600 due to my referrences to it on the OT_her list. With latest 2.4.23 kernel's the board needs 'nolapic' passed to it to avoid kernel panics, specially under a load like sound or video encoding/decoding. A board difficiency or a need for the new kernel to mature more? To state either would be just an opinion. The board is great for 9.2 an early 10.0, but will it still be good for 10.0 final? Can prior kernel releases function with it? I've all but completely eliminated panics by moderating ram timings, increasing Vcore and IO voltages a touch, and using 2.4.23 kernel versions cautiously. Could be try'n to change PCI slots I use for the one card in the system. Point is, variables, and the permutations are a real problem. Then add in users. Before I got an AV7600 I researched it's components. I didn't use twiki's or hardware sites. I use Google and mailing list archives. Particularly the current linux-kernel ml (lkml). The study requires searching by components. Searching by mobo model number is mostly useless. For example, the integrated NIC is very new to market, 3c940. It has a 3com/Asus Linux driver for it, that doesn't work with (compile against) newer kernels. NBD for me, I had an old D-link card sittin around, and the onboard 3c is easily disasabled in bios. Similar deal with the integrated sound. The (separate, not part of the VIA south bridge chipset) is an Analog Devices Inc. ADI-1980, AC97 codec compliant. Fortunately, the VIA driver in current kernels works for this chip. For me, and my speaker system. It's a 6-channel sound device, that as Robin seems to have found, doesn't support more than 2 chl. for his use. Works for me, not for him. Variables. Nothin on the board is of any other particular interest, other than the KT600 chipset with 400Mhz cpu support. Since this isn't really new to the Linux kernel, VIA chipset support is almost a sure thing goin in. A read of lkml would probly be more discouraging for any other chipset vendor, specially nForce*. Well there are also SATA ports, but anybody who's a bit savy would know to avoid SATA anyhow, any OS. Does an opinion like that reflect TWiki 'documentation'? I think not but Google or lkml will lead you too it. Now these motherboard, hardware and such are particulars, and involve opinion. The info doesn't belong in a TWiki, and probly won't be valid longer than next month. Same deal with applications and configuration. How to do it in the X.1 version is completely wrong for X.11. Google and the lkml are by nature not as susceptible to such degeneration. Opinons are always inescapable. So IMO, TWiki should prominenty be displayed as At the current time, this is a best guess from various contributors, mostly gathered from mailing lists. It is not supported or endorsed by anyone. Use at your own risk. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?
Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas wrote: On Saturday 06 December 2003 00:29, Janus Sandsgaard wrote: Yep!!! Not those but Got a Asus A7N266 (all in one) and now a MSI 6570G (all in one!) Both worked nicely on mdk 9.0, 9,1 and 9.2! For graphic acceleration you need the nvidia rpm packages! Even the sound sounds great! ;-)) I just got an Asus A7V600. It works nicely with 9.2, though only three of my five speakers work with onboard sound. What the hell, my sound card should be arriving on Wednesday, so I can have fun wrestling with that instead ;-) Sir Robin -- Certitude is possible for those who only own one encyclopedia. - Robert Anton Wilson Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?
On Sunday 14 Dec 2003 2:31 pm, robin wrote: Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas wrote: On Saturday 06 December 2003 00:29, Janus Sandsgaard wrote: Yep!!! Not those but Got a Asus A7N266 (all in one) and now a MSI 6570G (all in one!) Both worked nicely on mdk 9.0, 9,1 and 9.2! For graphic acceleration you need the nvidia rpm packages! Even the sound sounds great! ;-)) I just got an Asus A7V600. It works nicely with 9.2, though only three of my five speakers work with onboard sound. What the hell, my sound card should be arriving on Wednesday, so I can have fun wrestling with that instead ;-) Sir Robin That's not on the TWiki page either, Sir Robin! Consider your hand slapped g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?
Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 14 Dec 2003 2:31 pm, robin wrote: Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas wrote: On Saturday 06 December 2003 00:29, Janus Sandsgaard wrote: Yep!!! Not those but Got a Asus A7N266 (all in one) and now a MSI 6570G (all in one!) Both worked nicely on mdk 9.0, 9,1 and 9.2! For graphic acceleration you need the nvidia rpm packages! Even the sound sounds great! ;-)) I just got an Asus A7V600. It works nicely with 9.2, though only three of my five speakers work with onboard sound. What the hell, my sound card should be arriving on Wednesday, so I can have fun wrestling with that instead ;-) Sir Robin That's not on the TWiki page either, Sir Robin! Consider your hand slapped g [rubs hand] OK, it's up there. Sir Robin -- Certitude is possible for those who only own one encyclopedia. - Robert Anton Wilson Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?
On Saturday 06 December 2003 00:29, Janus Sandsgaard wrote: Yep!!! Not those but Got a Asus A7N266 (all in one) and now a MSI 6570G (all in one!) Both worked nicely on mdk 9.0, 9,1 and 9.2! For graphic acceleration you need the nvidia rpm packages! Even the sound sounds great! ;-)) []s Ricardo Castanho I am buying a new PC and can choose between these two motherboards: - Asus P4BGL-MX/533 (standard) http://uk.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4bgl-mx-533/overview.htm - Asus P4P800-VM (with AGP) http://uk.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4p800-vm/overview.htm They are both all-in-one types of motherboards with integrated LAN, audio, graphics etc. Question: - Does anyone have experience with these motherboards running Mandrake? - Do they work 100% with Linux? Asus provides some drivers for Linux, but I gues that is not the same as saying everything (lan, audio etc) will work in real life? I can't find the motherboard in the hardware database at the Mandrake website. -j -- == Linux user # 102240 = [EMAIL PROTECTED] user = 100% M$ FREE == Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?
On Mon, 2003-12-08 at 04:31, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 07 Dec 2003 8:59 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Sunday 07 December 2003 07:00 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Besides, SATA will soon be deprecated by PCI Express. You wait for ages for a bus, then as always 2 come along together g Anne Well, IMO, I don't see any suspense to it. Sorry, Tom. Old British joke. ;-) Anne I see the truth of it. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Lets face it if winblowz wasn't full of holes then it would probably look like Linux -- Aron Smith, Mandrake OT mailing list *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?
On Saturday 06 December 2003 05:29 pm, Janus Sandsgaard wrote: So, then the main difference is that the P4BGL-MX/533 has ATA/133 IDE ports, and the P4P800-VM has SATA, but only ATA/100 IDE ports. I'd suggest avoiding SATA for now, so I think the P4BGL-MX/533 would be more suitable for use with Linux with ATA/133 drive(s). What is SATA? Serial Advanced Technology Attachment (for IDE harddrives). It's theroretical thruput is 150mb/s compared to ATA/133's 133mb/s. In reality this synthetic marginal gain doesn't often happen, specially with Linux. People with SATA happily report 45 to 50mb/s from 'hdparm -t'. Big deal. My ATA/133 drives get 47+. Real world average performance is less than half that. Many problems and high cpu load are reported with SATA/Linux. Currently there's only good full kernel support for VIA and Intel controllers. Besides, SATA will soon be deprecated by PCI Express. Best definitive source for research into this is the lkml (linux-kernel mailing list) archives. Ignore (windo$e) hardware site reviews. Actually 'burst' numbers like hdparm -t are pretty much useless too. Just a synthetic bench that has very little relevance to various real world IDE operations. IMO, better to stick with ATA/133 for now. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?
Besides, SATA will soon be deprecated by PCI Express. You wait for ages for a bus, then as always 2 come along together g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?
On Sunday 07 December 2003 07:00 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Besides, SATA will soon be deprecated by PCI Express. You wait for ages for a bus, then as always 2 come along together g Anne Well, IMO, I don't see any suspense to it. Up till now all the various IDE schemes since Vesa Local, including SATA, ride on the old. tired, rode hard'n put up wet 33.3Mhz PCI/IDE bus. Using various schemes to double, triple, even quad pump the results. Of course this would make users believe that this 2x, 3x, even 4x the thruput til reality sets in. Best example is AGP. Advertised as 66mhz, but it's just a gimmick that ups graphical performance by about 7%, while imposing additional loads on the cpu/cache/ram that have a detrimental affect to overall system performance. In truth it's just a 33.3mhz PCI bus subset spec. Once that cat was out of the bag, they went on to advertise AGP 2x, 4x, and now 8x. An they've got a lot of people thinkin it's an improvement. Billy Gates type marketing IMO. Serious overclockers and production server, mission critical types OTOH, went as far out of the way as they could (and still do) to resist and avoid these crowd pleasers. I don't know enough about PCI-X to comment on it accurately, but as you can see from the name, it still runs on the 33.3mhz PCI bus. Never know what just might be right around the next corner tho ;)But Then ya still got'a wait 6 mos. to a year for it to be adequately supported in Linux. As it stands, better HDD performance is currently achieved with high rpms and bigger bigger faster drive caches. Yet the PCI/IDE bus hasn't been fully exploited yet. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday 07 December 2003 1:59 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: snip Well, IMO, I don't see any suspense to it. Up till now all the various IDE schemes since Vesa Local, including SATA, ride on the old. tired, rode hard'n put up wet 33.3Mhz PCI/IDE bus. Using various schemes to double, triple, even quad pump the results. Of course this would make users believe that this 2x, 3x, even 4x the thruput til reality sets in. Best example is AGP. Advertised as 66mhz, but it's just a gimmick that ups graphical performance by about 7%, while imposing additional loads on the cpu/cache/ram that have a detrimental affect to overall system performance. In truth it's just a 33.3mhz PCI bus subset spec. Once that cat was out of the bag, they went on to advertise AGP 2x, 4x, and now 8x. An they've got a lot of people thinkin it's an improvement. Billy Gates type marketing IMO. Serious overclockers and production server, mission critical types OTOH, went as far out of the way as they could (and still do) to resist and avoid these crowd pleasers. I don't know enough about PCI-X to comment on it accurately, but as you can see from the name, it still runs on the 33.3mhz PCI bus. Never know what just might be right around the next corner tho ;)But Then ya still got'a wait 6 mos. to a year for it to be adequately supported in Linux. As it stands, better HDD performance is currently achieved with high rpms and bigger bigger faster drive caches. Yet the PCI/IDE bus hasn't been fully exploited yet. This is actually fairly readable and understandable: http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.html?i=1830 If you want the specs they're here for download: http://www.pcisig.com/specifications You need to register to get the specs I think. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 9.2 (FiveStar) for i586 kernel 2.4.22-21mdk 16:54:55 up 3 days, 20:04, 1 user, load average: 1.65, 0.78, 0.68 PIZZA!! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/07+FZqvqlrLPr5YRAjeFAKCiKX/Px5+v4GTM6XiKkSM9ZCtGuACfbd44 AmWeoPichtDF0AmUjAovhIY= =fMN8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?
On Saturday 06 December 2003 03:46, Dan LaBine wrote: Janus; I'm running many Asus boards without problems. The new (?) Asus P4S533-MX is 110% Ok for Mandrake 9.2. If it doesn't work for you, I'll buy it from you. Thank you. That's good news! Does anybody know about how well the Asus P4P800-VM works with Mandrake? One word of caution though. Break down and buy a Video Card! Most boards run like Doggy-Doo-Doo using on-board video controllers, so do yourself a favor and beg, borrow, steal, or otherwise acquire a good video card. The PC will primary be for Office-applications, but I know that the build-in video controller is not top of anything. This is why im am considering the Asus P4P800-VM which has AGP-port. -j -- Spiren er landet! http://spiren.janus.dk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?
On Saturday 06 December 2003 02:29 am, Janus Sandsgaard wrote: I am buying a new PC and can choose between these two motherboards: - Asus P4BGL-MX/533 (standard) http://uk.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4bgl-mx-533/overview .htm - Asus P4P800-VM (with AGP) http://uk.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4p800-vm/overview.ht m They are both all-in-one types of motherboards with integrated LAN, audio, graphics etc. Question: - Does anyone have experience with these motherboards running Mandrake? - Do they work 100% with Linux? Asus provides some drivers for Linux, but I gues that is not the same as saying everything (lan, audio etc) will work in real life? I can't find the motherboard in the hardware database at the Mandrake website. -j Neither would make for a multimedia machine, so the decision comes down to their suitability for office type apps, email and surfing for which they should be adequate. So AGP capabilities are sort'a moot. Integrated graphics should be adequate, but remember to pass a mem= append to the kernel, subtracting 8mb for video. Usually Asus recommend ram brands to use, if you can't find this info, Crucial/Micron is always a safe bet for Asus boards. So, then the main difference is that the P4BGL-MX/533 has ATA/133 IDE ports, and the P4P800-VM has SATA, but only ATA/100 IDE ports. I'd suggest avoiding SATA for now, so I think the P4BGL-MX/533 would be more suitable for use with Linux with ATA/133 drive(s). My experience with vendor drivers is that you'll be better off using native Linux kernel drivers to maintain kernel compatibility. Now to qualify, I don't have experience with either of these (or any ITX) boards, and IMO, don't think Intel 8xx chipsets are mature yet, but better than SiS chipset boards for Linux use. I'd be lookin for a VIA chipset solution. I wouldn't be concerned too much with Mdk's hardware database. It's woefully behind and unmaintained. My bet is the graphics, lan and sound will have kernel support, altho you might need to update to newer kernels, even if Mandrake 9.2 is used. But I doubt it, Realtek items are well supported, and to a little lesser extent, so is the i8xx video (XFree drivers). You should'a mentioned if you have existing parts you wanna re-use or if the new system will be built from scratch. Could have alot to do with which board you use. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?
On Saturday 06 December 2003 09:47, Tom Brinkman wrote: Neither would make for a multimedia machine, so the decision comes down to their suitability for office type apps, email and surfing for which they should be adequate. So AGP capabilities are sort'a moot. Integrated graphics should be adequate, but remember to pass a mem= append to the kernel, subtracting 8mb for video. I will start with the integrated graphics, but plan to buy a decicated graphic card later. This is just to get started with. First of all I will just be foing Office work. Later I get bigger needs and wants. So, then the main difference is that the P4BGL-MX/533 has ATA/133 IDE ports, and the P4P800-VM has SATA, but only ATA/100 IDE ports. I'd suggest avoiding SATA for now, so I think the P4BGL-MX/533 would be more suitable for use with Linux with ATA/133 drive(s). What is SATA? You should'a mentioned if you have existing parts you wanna re-use or if the new system will be built from scratch. Could have alot to do with which board you use. I am planning on buying this machine: http://proconsult.dk/katalog/m_pc/s_pc-office/pc-office3/pc-office-p4-2k6.html - Intel Pentium 4, 2.66 GHz med 512 KB cache - ASUS P4BGL-MX/533 motherboard med i845GL chipset - 512 MB PC3200 DDR RAM (400 MHz) - Seagate Barracuda 7200.7, 120 GB, 7200 rpm, 683 Mbit/sec, 8.5 ms - Intel Extreme Graphics - 10/100 Mbit Fast Ethernet - Lite-On Combo DVD/CD-RW But as said: I am not sure about the motherboard. The most important thing for me is that it work 100%. If a Motherboard without integrated graphic, sound and lan can be bough at a similar price, I will find a solution for LAN, graphic, sound etc. Either by buying cheap parts of use some of the parts I have around. Sound and LAN is no problem. I have theese motherboards to choose from: http://proconsult.dk/katalog/m_komp/s_komp-mb/ -j -- Spiren er landet! http://spiren.janus.dk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?
I am buying a new PC and can choose between these two motherboards: - Asus P4BGL-MX/533 (standard) http://uk.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4bgl-mx-533/overview.htm - Asus P4P800-VM (with AGP) http://uk.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4p800-vm/overview.htm They are both all-in-one types of motherboards with integrated LAN, audio, graphics etc. Question: - Does anyone have experience with these motherboards running Mandrake? - Do they work 100% with Linux? Asus provides some drivers for Linux, but I gues that is not the same as saying everything (lan, audio etc) will work in real life? I can't find the motherboard in the hardware database at the Mandrake website. -j -- Spiren er landet! http://spiren.janus.dk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Asus Motherboards and Mandrake - will it work 100% ?
Janus; I'm running many Asus boards without problems. The new (?) Asus P4S533-MX is 110% Ok for Mandrake 9.2. If it doesn't work for you, I'll buy it from you. One word of caution though. Break down and buy a Video Card! Most boards run like Doggy-Doo-Doo using on-board video controllers, so do yourself a favor and beg, borrow, steal, or otherwise acquire a good video card. There. You should be all set now! Grin! Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 12/6/2003 at 3:29 AM Janus Sandsgaard wrote: I am buying a new PC and can choose between these two motherboards: - Asus P4BGL-MX/533 (standard) http://uk.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4bgl-mx-533/overview.htm - Asus P4P800-VM (with AGP) http://uk.asus.com/products/mb/socket478/p4p800-vm/overview.htm They are both all-in-one types of motherboards with integrated LAN, audio, graphics etc. Question: - Does anyone have experience with these motherboards running Mandrake? - Do they work 100% with Linux? Asus provides some drivers for Linux, but I gues that is not the same as saying everything (lan, audio etc) will work in real life? I can't find the motherboard in the hardware database at the Mandrake website. -j -- Spiren er landet! http://spiren.janus.dk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
