Re: [newbie] File access- Me?,Machine?, Manual?
Michael, Thank you and wow! To try and explain I was frustrated, kept typing in correct commands and getting a response of no such file no such directory. So, I opened up the KDE module, open up the Root Directory, over half way down is a root with a lock on it. That was what I meant by my root has a root. Just following the visible tree. What it all means is I opened up the directory which leads to the root, and more. I do take things I read literal - My thinking was ROOT Directory was the root, not directory to the root. Thanks again! Kathy What you said makes sense. Except for one item, Root directory - key word is directory not root. The one item is if I am SU, does this automatically open the root file or the directory? Assuming I have it set for all access. If you 'su' without the dash, you become the root user (ie, user 'root'--basically the account which has all privileges) but it does not change to root's home directory (/root). (as stated in the man page for su: Change the effective user id and group id to that of USER.) for example: mviron@wsdo ~ $ pwd /home/members/mviron mviron@wsdo ~ $ su Password: [root@wsdo mviron]# pwd /home/members/mviron [root@wsdo mviron]# whoami root [root@wsdo mviron]# whereas with su - (or -l or --login) mviron@wsdo ~ $ pwd /home/members/mviron mviron@wsdo ~ $ su - Password: [root@wsdo /root]# pwd /root [root@wsdo /root]# If you use -, -l, or --login username su acts as if you had just logged into the machine directly as username. There are three different 'root's on a unix platform which mean 3 totally different things: 1. The root directory (/) under which all other directories connect. 2. The root user, also known as the Super-User, which has permission to do whatever you want to do (including removing all files on the hard drive), and is typically used for system administration (adding users, editing configurations and so forth). 3. The home directory for the root user (/root/) under which root's shell initialization and configuration settings are stored. The question then becomes which root are you talking about? As far as I am aware, there is no root file (unless you are considering the /root/ directory as a file). HTH, Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems Administration Consultant Web Spinners, University of West Florida Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File access- Me?,Machine?, Manual?
Manual states cat /proc/pci Typed the following - su Password cat /proc/pci Did you make a typo here, or did you really type the in front of pci? password find /pci Again the that should not be there... Perhaps first an ls -l /cat/p* would clarify something. Am I doing something wrong or will it not find the file due to it only being recognized as a problem during the O/S install. Also my root has a root. Some of these items could be because of the dual O/S? Ewh... your root has a root? Could you please clarify? E.g. by doing ls -l / list.txt and sending list.txt over to the list? Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File access- Me?,Machine?, Manual?
Paul, Thanks for the rapid response. Yes, I REALLY typed it, () Getting desperate! Trying anything. Yes I tried it without the also. Sending the list? I am on one machine using the WIN98 O/S with Netscape. The list is on the MDLIN O/S on the same machine. One thing I will explain root,root was what I visibly seen, via the KDE module, nothing else. I can't gain access that way. Maybe this is the question I should ask, I installed using DrakX. Was/Is there something else I should have done directly after installation? After installation I did go in and set up another user. Possibly the incorrect way but it worked, and works. Now since you have responded I have done or discovered the following issues - WIN O/S - Netscape How you managed to respond I don't know as I received three undeliverable for the same message. I tried to print your message out, wouldn't. It did before and will off of the network. Modem is acting up. I rebooted into Linux O/S - All items on boot screen are OK except anti virus. Fine. Typed - ls -l /cat/p* ls:invalid option --/ (may have been a spacing issue.) ls -l /cat/p* no such file or directory (No issue - plain facts) ls -l / list.txt ls:invalid option --/ Try 'ls --help' for more information. Laugh now - I typed - ls/options/help I went into Konquereor via graphic module - In the home directory a file, List.txt. it was empty. As for the other issue root, root. In KDE graphic module, Bookmarks, History, Home, Network, Root Directory, Clicked open root directory, over half way down is a locked root. It is set to where I do have access, according to it's properties. No access via graphics. Please unless you want to you do not have to respond. I responded due to FYI's for you. Because of years of dealing with issues indirectly related to all of the above items I have to make some nasty decisions. All related to environmental variables. Several which I have no control over. No dual O/S? My gut told me it wouldn't work. It is, but the fine tuned items don't, or are messing with one another. It is strange because the item messing up was recognized as a problem with the Linux O/S. Does not work with Linux O/S and it is messing up in the WIN 98 system. I could install an additional modem on the dual O/S and have each dedicated, but that may lead to more issues. I do have five different systems. I mainly deal with only three so I do have several options. Thank you! - I really do appreciate the help. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File access- Me?,Machine?, Manual?
What you said makes sense. Except for one item, Root directory - key word is directory not root. The one item is if I am SU, does this automatically open the root file or the directory? Assuming I have it set for all access. If you 'su' without the dash, you become the root user (ie, user 'root'--basically the account which has all privileges) but it does not change to root's home directory (/root). (as stated in the man page for su: Change the effective user id and group id to that of USER.) for example: mviron@wsdo ~ $ pwd /home/members/mviron mviron@wsdo ~ $ su Password: [root@wsdo mviron]# pwd /home/members/mviron [root@wsdo mviron]# whoami root [root@wsdo mviron]# whereas with su - (or -l or --login) mviron@wsdo ~ $ pwd /home/members/mviron mviron@wsdo ~ $ su - Password: [root@wsdo /root]# pwd /root [root@wsdo /root]# If you use -, -l, or --login username su acts as if you had just logged into the machine directly as username. There are three different 'root's on a unix platform which mean 3 totally different things: 1. The root directory (/) under which all other directories connect. 2. The root user, also known as the Super-User, which has permission to do whatever you want to do (including removing all files on the hard drive), and is typically used for system administration (adding users, editing configurations and so forth). 3. The home directory for the root user (/root/) under which root's shell initialization and configuration settings are stored. The question then becomes which root are you talking about? As far as I am aware, there is no root file (unless you are considering the /root/ directory as a file). HTH, Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems Administration Consultant Web Spinners, University of West Florida Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] File access- Me?,Machine?, Manual?
First I have a dual O/S. WIN98/ MandrakeLinux 8. Installed using DrakX. I have installed maybe two software programs, a few directories created. Now . . I wanted a file to print the output to the screen. Manual states cat /proc/pci Typed the following - su Password cat /proc/pci Response was pci no such file. I then did several variations, PCI, no did a root, root, etc. Response was no such file or no such directory. Then I opened KDE graphic module. Went for a visible search. Found pci file in root, bus. Then typed su password find /pci again pci no such file. Tried variations. cat /bus/pci Response No such file or directory. File visibly seen does have a big green ? on it. Am I doing something wrong or will it not find the file due to it only being recognized as a problem during the O/S install. I additionally have two bus issues, not recognized. Should pci be in the bus instead of the proc? Also my root has a root. Some of these items could be because of the dual O/S? Lots of ??? Sorry. Thanks in advance for any help. Kathy Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
