Re: [newbie] HP Printers
Lee, Thanks for the followup reply! Lee wrote: I have read that there are smart cartridges out there. Given that the whole idea of cheap printers is to sell expensive ink, it makes a sort of warped sense, doesn't it! Yup -- sad! Anyway, there's no surprises in mine except the shape fills 80% of the apparent ink space with air. What a rip off. I did find out that you need to fill the cartridge befor it is completely empty or right when the computer warns of impending doom. I let it go dry the first time and the printing was iffy for days after. Being my first refill try, I thought it was the ink I bought, but it cleared up and has worked fine through several more refills. My guess would be that ink dried in the holes in the print head -- there are ways to attempt to clean them, but none that works consistently for me. (I bought a head cleaning solution that I think consists of alcohol and dishwashing soap -- you dilute and soak the head -- I've tried ultrasonic, and wiping the head with a cotton swab dipped in alcohol -- sometimes I get it, sometimes I don't. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re[2]: [newbie] HP Printers
Hi, Can any of you with late model HP printers let me know about drivers and support? I'm looking to buy one this weekend and would like to have a bit I am not a fan of HP for Linux printing...They are not really into supporting the drivers nor do they want to get 'into' the game. A better choice is Epson or Lexmark. They are both very Linux friendly companies and their devices and software work with Linux. Correctly. I disagree... according to www.linuxprinting.org their suport is fine. Let me quote, As for the DeskJets, HP recently released an open-source driver kit for the bulk of its modern consumer DeskJet line. After finishing a lengthy patent search, with version 1.0.1 they made it free software by removing the for usage with HP products only from the BSDish license. So HP is near the top of the heap in terms of free software support for its inkjet devices (Free software driving Epson Photo printers still produces better color quality). (taken from http://www.linuxprinting.org/vendors.html#hp ) I personally haven't tried their HPIJS driver yet, but I think HP is on a good way. Epson might have better quality (under Linux), though. Good luck anyways Roman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HP Printers
Roman Korcek wrote: I disagree... according to www.linuxprinting.org their suport is fine. Let me quote, As for the DeskJets, HP recently released an open-source driver kit for the bulk of its modern consumer DeskJet line. After finishing a lengthy patent search, with version 1.0.1 they made it free software by removing the for usage with HP products only from the BSDish license. So HP is near the top of the heap in terms of free software support for its inkjet devices (Free software driving Epson Photo printers still produces better color quality). (taken from http://www.linuxprinting.org/vendors.html#hp ) I personally haven't tried their HPIJS driver yet, but I think HP is on a good way. Epson might have better quality (under Linux), though. Just feel like putting my $.02 in: Ink jet printer manufacturer's mostly follow the razor blade business model. They practically give away the printer (in some cases) but charge outrageously for the ink cartridges. I consider HP especially bad at this (but maybe Xerox is even worse -- the cartridge my uncle got with his printer looked big, but I had occasion to take it apart (destructively), and the ink reservoir is on the order of 1/10 the size that you might have expected -- but you can's see that until you peel the paper wrappings off the cartridge. The way to get around the problem is to refill cartridges. Some companies (like Hewlett Packard) make that very difficult. Canon (in most cases) makes it fairly easly. I'm now using a Canon BJC-3000 with cartridges that are very easy to refill. For a while, I carried a portable Canon printer (that could be battery powered) -- don't remember the model, but its cartridges were even easier to refill -- take the cartridge out, turn it upside down to expose the sponge, and drip ink unto the sponge. (The Canon BJC-3000 has a sponge exposed at the bottom, but the recommended refill procedure is to inject ink through a hole, then reseal the hole to make it airtight. 16 oz. of ink for $10 goes a very long way (although $10 is still a high price, it's a whole lot cheaper buying it that way than buying 16 oz. in prefilled cartridges. When my uncle went to buy a printer, I gave him a list of a few that looked like they could be refilled through the sponge like the Canon. He chose the Xerox which has been a disappointment -- it's not as easy as I thought it would be. I recommend Canon. (Disclaimer -- I have never tried to do a photo quality print, so I have no basis to judge whether Canon is good or bad for that purpose. For ordinary text, with some graphics and colors, the model I have works great. They do have more expensive printers that are intended to be photo quality.) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HP Printers
On Monday 28 January 2002 01:21 pm, you wrote: Roman Korcek wrote: I disagree... according to www.linuxprinting.org their suport is fine. Let me quote, As for the DeskJets, HP recently released an open-source driver kit for the bulk of its modern consumer DeskJet line. After finishing a lengthy patent search, with version 1.0.1 they made it free software by removing the for usage with HP products only from the BSDish license. So HP is near the top of the heap in terms of free software support for its inkjet devices (Free software driving Epson Photo printers still produces better color quality). (taken from http://www.linuxprinting.org/vendors.html#hp ) I personally haven't tried their HPIJS driver yet, but I think HP is on a good way. Epson might have better quality (under Linux), though. Just feel like putting my $.02 in: Ink jet printer manufacturer's mostly follow the razor blade business model. They practically give away the printer (in some cases) but charge outrageously for the ink cartridges. I consider HP especially bad at this (but maybe Xerox is even worse -- the cartridge my uncle got with his printer looked big, but I had occasion to take it apart (destructively), and the ink reservoir is on the order of 1/10 the size that you might have expected -- but you can's see that until you peel the paper wrappings off the cartridge. The way to get around the problem is to refill cartridges. Some companies (like Hewlett Packard) make that very difficult. Canon (in most cases) makes it fairly easly. I'm now using a Canon BJC-3000 with cartridges that are very easy to refill. For a while, I carried a portable Canon printer (that could be battery powered) -- don't remember the model, but its cartridges were even easier to refill -- take the cartridge out, turn it upside down to expose the sponge, and drip ink unto the sponge. (The Canon BJC-3000 has a sponge exposed at the bottom, but the recommended refill procedure is to inject ink through a hole, then reseal the hole to make it airtight. 16 oz. of ink for $10 goes a very long way (although $10 is still a high price, it's a whole lot cheaper buying it that way than buying 16 oz. in prefilled cartridges. When my uncle went to buy a printer, I gave him a list of a few that looked like they could be refilled through the sponge like the Canon. He chose the Xerox which has been a disappointment -- it's not as easy as I thought it would be. I recommend Canon. (Disclaimer -- I have never tried to do a photo quality print, so I have no basis to judge whether Canon is good or bad for that purpose. For ordinary text, with some graphics and colors, the model I have works great. They do have more expensive printers that are intended to be photo quality.) Randy Kramer Hey Randy For your Dad. I have a xerox workcentre and found the same cartridges of which you speak. My answer was to find a wall directly into the reservoir and drill a small hole. I filled the reservoir through a hypodermic, then screwed a #4 machine screw into the hole, sealing my entry. Bingo! I have contacted xerox (lower case intentional) about Linux support and inferred from the response (none) that my Windows box has a purpose in life until the printer dies. Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HP Printers
Sorry, this question was not directed to me, however I have a Canon C80 and it's great :-) Up to 12800x1440 dpi, so pretty much photo-quality I would say. It's a fairly new one, so it would not be the one you bought your mother. Maybe it's misconfigured (although I doubt that)? What's the quality of the printer (dpi)? I still find it hard to believe that any printer bought within the last couple of years would give terrible quality, unless there is something wrong. OK, there is a big difference between fair quality, good quality, and excellent quality, however terrible quality reminds me of my HP DeskJet 670C... now that's bad quality. At least now it it... when I got it text printing was pretty clear, but with wair-and-tear it's deteriorated drastically. Ralph On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Todd Slater wrote: On Monday 28 January 2002 01:21 pm, Randy Kramer wrote: snip I recommend Canon. (Disclaimer -- I have never tried to do a photo quality print, so I have no basis to judge whether Canon is good or bad for that purpose. For ordinary text, with some graphics and colors, the model I have works great. They do have more expensive printers that are intended to be photo quality.) Randy Kramer Just curious, Randy, what model Canon do you have? I bought a Canon bubble jet (don't remember the model) for my mother about a year ago and it prints text miserably--a big disappointment. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HP Printers
Lee wrote: My answer was to find a wall directly into the reservoir and drill a small hole. I filled the reservoir through a hypodermic, then screwed a #4 machine screw into the hole, sealing my entry. Bingo! Lee, Thanks for the response. I'll have to get the model number of the Xerox printer again and then write back to you -- I did something similar before I did the destructive analysis of the cartridge. It seems that we had trouble getting the printer to recognize that the cartridge was full again -- it often acted like it was still empty. Every once in a while I did the right thing and got a refilled cartridge to work ok. Never really found out if had some kind of something built into the cartridge to keep it from being refilled (like eprom or something). Did you have any trouble like that? regards, Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HP Printers
On Monday 28 January 2002 07:13 pm, you wrote: Lee wrote: My answer was to find a wall directly into the reservoir and drill a small hole. I filled the reservoir through a hypodermic, then screwed a #4 machine screw into the hole, sealing my entry. Bingo! Lee, Thanks for the response. I'll have to get the model number of the Xerox printer again and then write back to you -- I did something similar before I did the destructive analysis of the cartridge. It seems that we had trouble getting the printer to recognize that the cartridge was full again -- it often acted like it was still empty. Every once in a while I did the right thing and got a refilled cartridge to work ok. Never really found out if had some kind of something built into the cartridge to keep it from being refilled (like eprom or something). Did you have any trouble like that? regards, Randy Kramer I have read that there are smart cartridges out there. Given that the whole idea of cheap printers is to sell expensive ink, it makes a sort of warped sense, doesn't it! Anyway, there's no surprises in mine except the shape fills 80% of the apparent ink space with air. What a rip off. I did find out that you need to fill the cartridge befor it is completely empty or right when the computer warns of impending doom. I let it go dry the first time and the printing was iffy for days after. Being my first refill try, I thought it was the ink I bought, but it cleared up and has worked fine through several more refills. Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] HP Printers
Hello Everyone, Can any of you with late model HP printers let me know about drivers and support? I'm looking to buy one this weekend and would like to have a bit of information before I outlay the cash. Trevor Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HP Printers
Try looking here: http://www.linuxprinting.org/ They have a great selection of drivers and such :-) Helped me get my Epson C80 working perfectly Ralph On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Trevor Rhodes wrote: Hello Everyone, Can any of you with late model HP printers let me know about drivers and support? I'm looking to buy one this weekend and would like to have a bit of information before I outlay the cash. Trevor Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HP Printers
Hi, I recently bought a HP Deskjet 841C and it does great. I think Linux has drivers for many models of Deskjet and Laserjet. Dan On Friday 25 January 2002 04:00, you wrote: Hello Everyone, Can any of you with late model HP printers let me know about drivers and support? I'm looking to buy one this weekend and would like to have a bit of information before I outlay the cash. Trevor -- 8:44am up 18:08, 1 user, load average: 0.09, 0.20, 0.09 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HP Printers
Hey, Can any of you with late model HP printers let me know about drivers and support? I'm looking to buy one this weekend and would like to have a bit of information before I outlay the cash. I have a DeskJet 930C and it printed the test page during MDK install pretty fine (but *so* slowly :-( ). Haven't tried more printing yet, just to let you know the test page works (with CUPS). Roman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HP Printers
On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Trevor Rhodes wrote: Hello Everyone, Can any of you with late model HP printers let me know about drivers and support? I'm looking to buy one this weekend and would like to have a bit of information before I outlay the cash. Trevor I've used a 930c for 2 years. Great Printer! Anything in the 900 series (940, 960, ... 990) should serve you well. They can accept all the HP PCL3 codes. John Hemmer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] HP Printers
On Friday 25 January 2002 01:00 am, you wrote: I am not a fan of HP for Linux printing...They are not really into supporting the drivers nor do they want to get 'into' the game. A better choice is Epson or Lexmark. They are both very Linux friendly companies and their devices and software work with Linux. Correctly. Steve Weltman Hello Everyone, Can any of you with late model HP printers let me know about drivers and support? I'm looking to buy one this weekend and would like to have a bit of information before I outlay the cash. Trevor _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
