Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning-II
On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 21:08, Stephen Kuhn wrote: snip setup a special partition for that. You can always backup your /home partition to the Windows partition if any trouble comes. snip Excellent idea - I'll try that when I set about installing 9.1 - it sounds as though quite a lot of people are having grief with it at the moment. DougB Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning
Guy Rouillier wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: Well I have plenty of ntfs partitions after the linux partitions and neither W98 nor W2K have any trouble recognising them. Maybe you cannot have a windblows OS after a linux partition, never tried that one but I would expect it to work. John Win98 won't recognize any NTFS partitions. But as you say, Win2K has no trouble seeing partitions past Linux partitions. Maybe I stand corrected, I haven't had W98 on for a while now and memory plays tricks, but it definately recognises FAT32. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Hard disk repartitioning-II
Hey all, First up, thank you everyone for your prompt help. you've really made it easier for me. reading all your posts i've come up with a plan which goes like this: ( just to remind you, i have a 20GB disk, C drive:5GB having WinME(FAT32), D drive: 15GB having all my data(FAT32), 128MB RAM ) 1)back up all my data at a friends place. fdisk and delete all existing partitions. make a primary partition of 10GB on which i'll load the Windows OS and which will also have the data which i want to access from Win and Linux. 2)in the 10GB thats left i'll have 4GB for '/' where i'll load Linux. 3)the remaining 6GB will be the '/home' partition, which will have the linux only data. 4)mine is a desktop machine for normal home use. at any given time i run atmost (browser+mp3player) or (a programming IDE + mp3player) etc. now i have 128MB of RAM so i'm thinking of doing away with the swap partition but i'm not too sure about this. so if i'm wrong please do tell me. so in short: PRIMARY PARTITION: Windows (FAT32)-10GB /dev/hda1 EXTENDED PARTITION /dev/hda2 LOGICAL PARTITION 1 LINUX OS-4GB /dev/hda5 LOGICAL PARTITION 2 LINUX /home-6GB /dev/hda6 i know this is a long way to do it but this way i avoid having 2 FAT32 partitions (one for Win OS and the other for my data) and have a substantial space for the 'Linux only data' partition. now i would like to know what you all think about this. if i'm doing wrong please do tell as i'm just starting out on Linux. thank you for your help. AK __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning-II
On Friday 04 Apr 2003 3:45 pm, Arthur Kng wrote: Hey all, First up, thank you everyone for your prompt help. you've really made it easier for me. reading all your posts i've come up with a plan which goes like this: ( just to remind you, i have a 20GB disk, C drive:5GB having WinME(FAT32), D drive: 15GB having all my data(FAT32), 128MB RAM ) 1)back up all my data at a friends place. fdisk and delete all existing partitions. make a primary partition of 10GB on which i'll load the Windows OS and which will also have the data which i want to access from Win and Linux. 2)in the 10GB thats left i'll have 4GB for '/' where i'll load Linux. 3)the remaining 6GB will be the '/home' partition, which will have the linux only data. 4)mine is a desktop machine for normal home use. at any given time i run atmost (browser+mp3player) or (a programming IDE + mp3player) etc. now i have 128MB of RAM so i'm thinking of doing away with the swap partition but i'm not too sure about this. so if i'm wrong please do tell me. so in short: PRIMARY PARTITION: Windows (FAT32)-10GB /dev/hda1 EXTENDED PARTITION /dev/hda2 LOGICAL PARTITION 1 LINUX OS-4GB /dev/hda5 LOGICAL PARTITION 2 LINUX /home-6GB /dev/hda6 i know this is a long way to do it but this way i avoid having 2 FAT32 partitions (one for Win OS and the other for my data) and have a substantial space for the 'Linux only data' partition. now i would like to know what you all think about this. if i'm doing wrong please do tell as i'm just starting out on Linux. You do need a swap partition, but 250MB would be enough. My /home is 6.7GB of which 6 is used, BUT, I have other users, some of which back up their data onto my box in their home partitions AND, more importantly, I use win4lin, so I have a whole windows98 install, associated apps and a fair amount of data all inside my /home. My guess is that at 5.75GB you will have plenty. Apart from that, everything should be fine. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning-II
- Original Message - From: Arthur Kng [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning-II Hey all, First up, thank you everyone for your prompt help. you've really made it easier for me. reading all your posts i've come up with a plan which goes like this: ( just to remind you, i have a 20GB disk, C drive:5GB having WinME(FAT32), D drive: 15GB having all my data(FAT32), 128MB RAM ) 1)back up all my data at a friends place. fdisk and delete all existing partitions. make a primary partition of 10GB on which i'll load the Windows OS and which will also have the data which i want to access from Win and Linux. 2)in the 10GB thats left i'll have 4GB for '/' where i'll load Linux. 3)the remaining 6GB will be the '/home' partition, which will have the linux only data. 4)mine is a desktop machine for normal home use. at any given time i run atmost (browser+mp3player) or (a programming IDE + mp3player) etc. now i have 128MB of RAM so i'm thinking of doing away with the swap partition but i'm not too sure about this. so if i'm wrong please do tell me. so in short: PRIMARY PARTITION: Windows (FAT32)-10GB /dev/hda1 EXTENDED PARTITION /dev/hda2 LOGICAL PARTITION 1 LINUX OS-4GB /dev/hda5 LOGICAL PARTITION 2 LINUX /home-6GB /dev/hda6 i know this is a long way to do it but this way i avoid having 2 FAT32 partitions (one for Win OS and the other for my data) and have a substantial space for the 'Linux only data' partition. now i would like to know what you all think about this. if i'm doing wrong please do tell as i'm just starting out on Linux. thank you for your help. AK You may like to add your linux swap partition to that list Stevo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning
On Friday 04 Apr 2003 8:35 am, stormjumper wrote: sorry, somewhat off topic, but how did you get your win98 to see the ntfs partitions? www.sysinternals.com have NTFS drivers for Win9x and even DOS. It'll cost $299 for read/write, but read only is free. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning-II
On Friday 04 Apr 2003 8:08 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 00:47, Arthur Kng wrote: Hey all, First up, thank you everyone for your prompt help. you've really made it easier for me. reading all your posts i've come up with a plan which goes like this: ( just to remind you, i have a 20GB disk, C drive:5GB having WinME(FAT32), D drive: 15GB having all my data(FAT32), 128MB RAM ) Don't do away with the swap. That's dangerous. If you've already gotten the mindset to set aside 10gb for your Win/Share data, and the remaining 10gb for everything else, make things even easier on yourself. More can be confusing. For linux, you're going to need three partitions - a SWAP, a /boot and a / (root) - the /home can live off the root - less partitions the better. Sorry, Stephen, but I have to disagree. Putting /home in a separate partition is much safer. There are some advantages to having a separate /boot if you are going to run several distros, but it's far from essential, and I think risking losing /home to a re-install or upgrade formatting the partition is a much bigger risk (even though re-installs are not as frequent as in windows). I know it can be backed up, but sod's law, you won't have backed up recently when trouble does come. Put aside 100mb for the /boot, put aside 256mb for the SWAP, and the rest give to / (root) - /home can live off of the / (root) so no need to setup a special partition for that. You can always backup your /home partition to the Windows partition if any trouble comes. This way you've kept it simple (remember the KISS principle!!) and you're set. Use lilo as your boot manager to jump back and forth to Windows. This way you're not creating heaps of different partitions that are unnecessary. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning-II
On Sat, 2003-04-05 at 00:47, Arthur Kng wrote: Hey all, First up, thank you everyone for your prompt help. you've really made it easier for me. reading all your posts i've come up with a plan which goes like this: ( just to remind you, i have a 20GB disk, C drive:5GB having WinME(FAT32), D drive: 15GB having all my data(FAT32), 128MB RAM ) Don't do away with the swap. That's dangerous. If you've already gotten the mindset to set aside 10gb for your Win/Share data, and the remaining 10gb for everything else, make things even easier on yourself. More can be confusing. For linux, you're going to need three partitions - a SWAP, a /boot and a / (root) - the /home can live off the root - less partitions the better. Put aside 100mb for the /boot, put aside 256mb for the SWAP, and the rest give to / (root) - /home can live off of the / (root) so no need to setup a special partition for that. You can always backup your /home partition to the Windows partition if any trouble comes. This way you've kept it simple (remember the KISS principle!!) and you're set. Use lilo as your boot manager to jump back and forth to Windows. This way you're not creating heaps of different partitions that are unnecessary. -- Sat Apr 5 05:05:00 EST 2003 05:05:00 up 14 days, 16:52, 3 users, load average: 0.22, 0.35, 0.51 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting machine no:194239 * RH 7.3 * Sales - Service - Support - Tutor -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Are you sure you're not an encyclopedia salesman? No, Ma'am. Just a burglar, come to ransack the flat. -- Monty Python Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Hard disk repartitioning-II
Hey all, First up, thank you everyone for your prompt help. you've really made it easier for me. reading all your posts i've come up with a plan which goes like this: ( just to remind you, i have a 20GB disk, C drive:5GB having WinME(FAT32), D drive: 15GB having all my data(FAT32), 128MB RAM ) 1)back up all my data at a friends place. fdisk and delete all existing partitions. make a primary partition of 10GB on which i'll load the Windows OS and which will also have the data which i want to access from Win and Linux. 2)in the 10GB thats left i'll have 4GB for '/' where i'll load Linux. 3)the remaining 6GB will be the '/home' partition, which will have the linux only data. 4)mine is a desktop machine for normal home use. at any given time i run atmost (browser+mp3player) or (a programming IDE + mp3player) etc. now i have 128MB of RAM so i'm thinking of doing away with the swap partition but i'm not too sure about this. so if i'm wrong please do tell me. so in short: PRIMARY PARTITION: Windows (FAT32)-10GB /dev/hda1 EXTENDED PARTITION /dev/hda2 LOGICAL PARTITION 1 LINUX OS-4GB /dev/hda5 LOGICAL PARTITION 2 LINUX /home-6GB /dev/hda6 i know this is a long way to do it but this way i avoid having 2 FAT32 partitions (one for Win OS and the other for my data) and have a substantial space for the 'Linux only data' partition. now i would like to know what you all think about this. if i'm doing wrong please do tell as i'm just starting out on Linux. thank you for your help. AK __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning
thanks. i'll look into it. to be honest, i was just curious as a seem to recall my win98 not being able to see the ntfs partitions on the same drive used by win2k. - Original Message - From: Richard Urwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 06:17 Subject: Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning On Friday 04 Apr 2003 8:35 am, stormjumper wrote: sorry, somewhat off topic, but how did you get your win98 to see the ntfs partitions? www.sysinternals.com have NTFS drivers for Win9x and even DOS. It'll cost $299 for read/write, but read only is free. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning
stormjumper wrote: thanks. i'll look into it. to be honest, i was just curious as a seem to recall my win98 not being able to see the ntfs partitions on the same drive used by win2k. Natively, it can't see NTFS partitions on any drive - Win9x only knows about FAT and FAT32. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning
Derek Jennings wrote: On Thursday 03 Apr 2003 4:42 am, M X wrote: Windows will stop looking for usable partitions as soon as it sees the first non Windows partition. So if you want your 4)Partition for data accesible from Windows and Linux(FAT32) partition to be visible from Windows it must be the second partition on the drive. HTH derek Windows will stop looking for usable partitions as soon as it sees the first non Windows partition I've seen this suggested before, I want to just corrct that, Windows will perfectly well see any partition after the linux partitions, provided they are either fat32 or ntfs. The only partition windows does not see is any of the linux flavour file system partitions. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning
On Thursday 03 Apr 2003 10:58 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Derek Jennings wrote: On Thursday 03 Apr 2003 4:42 am, M X wrote: Windows will stop looking for usable partitions as soon as it sees the first non Windows partition. So if you want your 4)Partition for data accesible from Windows and Linux(FAT32) partition to be visible from Windows it must be the second partition on the drive. HTH derek Windows will stop looking for usable partitions as soon as it sees the first non Windows partition I've seen this suggested before, I want to just corrct that, Windows will perfectly well see any partition after the linux partitions, provided they are either fat32 or ntfs. The only partition windows does not see is any of the linux flavour file system partitions. I don't think data partitions are too much of a problem, but if you have used another partition to write, say, 'Program Files' then you probably would find it problematic. Anything that windows uses directly needs to be kept before the linux partitions, but fat32 data partitions are not as picky. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning
Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 03 Apr 2003 10:58 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Derek Jennings wrote: On Thursday 03 Apr 2003 4:42 am, M X wrote: Windows will stop looking for usable partitions as soon as it sees the first non Windows partition. So if you want your 4)Partition for data accesible from Windows and Linux(FAT32) partition to be visible from Windows it must be the second partition on the drive. HTH derek Windows will stop looking for usable partitions as soon as it sees the first non Windows partition I've seen this suggested before, I want to just corrct that, Windows will perfectly well see any partition after the linux partitions, provided they are either fat32 or ntfs. The only partition windows does not see is any of the linux flavour file system partitions. I don't think data partitions are too much of a problem, but if you have used another partition to write, say, 'Program Files' then you probably would find it problematic. Anything that windows uses directly needs to be kept before the linux partitions, but fat32 data partitions are not as picky. Anne Well I have plenty of ntfs partitions after the linux partitions and neither W98 nor W2K have any trouble recognising them. Maybe you cannot have a windblows OS after a linux partition, never tried that one but I would expect it to work. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning
On Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:58:21 +0100 John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I have plenty of ntfs partitions after the linux partitions and neither W98 nor W2K have any trouble recognising them. Maybe you cannot have a windblows OS after a linux partition, never tried that one but I would expect it to work. You can have that also. When I first started running linux and lilo still had the 8GB halo I would always move Win so that it was the last Primary partition on the hd and install linux on the front of the drive,. Once it is installed Windows don't give a shit since it can't see anything but itself or it siblings. Charles -- Mind if I smoke? I don't care if you burst into flames and die! - Mandrake Linux 9.1 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21-0.13mdk - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning
On Thursday April 3 2003 03:58 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Derek Jennings wrote: Windows will stop looking for usable partitions as soon as it sees the first non Windows partition I've seen this suggested before, I want to just corrct that, Windows will perfectly well see any partition after the linux partitions, provided they are either fat32 or ntfs. The only partition windows does not see is any of the linux flavour file system partitions. John I'd say it's sometimes true, sometimes not. Depends on the Windoze version, and which subset of the version is used. Since the orginal poster mentions fat32, I'll use W98 as an example. Besides all the different versions of W98, there's also differences in the OEM and Retail, and Upgrade versions. Then there's vendor modified versions, eg, Dell, Compaq, Gateway, etc. IOW's many different possibilities. Most of the time you'll see the 'Windows will stop looking for usable partitions as soon as it sees the first non Windows partition' situation with the OEM and sometimes with the 'vendor' versions. I have no experience with the 'nt' versions (W2K, Win XP, etc.). -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning
Tom Brinkman wrote: On Thursday April 3 2003 03:58 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Derek Jennings wrote: Windows will stop looking for usable partitions as soon as it sees the first non Windows partition I've seen this suggested before, I want to just corrct that, Windows will perfectly well see any partition after the linux partitions, provided they are either fat32 or ntfs. The only partition windows does not see is any of the linux flavour file system partitions. John I'd say it's sometimes true, sometimes not. Depends on the Windoze version, and which subset of the version is used. Since the orginal poster mentions fat32, I'll use W98 as an example. Besides all the different versions of W98, there's also differences in the OEM and Retail, and Upgrade versions. Then there's vendor modified versions, eg, Dell, Compaq, Gateway, etc. IOW's many different possibilities. Most of the time you'll see the 'Windows will stop looking for usable partitions as soon as it sees the first non Windows partition' situation with the OEM and sometimes with the 'vendor' versions. I have no experience with the 'nt' versions (W2K, Win XP, etc.). Well I can speak for W98 2nd edition, installed on FAT32 , and W2K on ntfs, and I'm told XP on ntfs is ok, so the only one I cannot speak for is ME, which everyone I know who has ever tried it doesn't have much favourable to say about it, may not be able to rad FAT32 + ntfs after linux, but until someone can tell me definatively I'm inclined to believe it can. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hard disk repartitioning
John Richard Smith wrote: Well I have plenty of ntfs partitions after the linux partitions and neither W98 nor W2K have any trouble recognising them. Maybe you cannot have a windblows OS after a linux partition, never tried that one but I would expect it to work. John Win98 won't recognize any NTFS partitions. But as you say, Win2K has no trouble seeing partitions past Linux partitions. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Hard disk repartitioning
Dear all, I have a 20GB hard disk with a 5GB primary partition(C drive, DOS partition) and 15GB logical partition(D drive, extended DOS partition). The C drive has WinME and all application softwares and has 3.74 GB of free space. The D drive has all my data and has 9.84 GB of free space. I want to install Mandrake Linux 9.1 on this box. i want to have a dual boot system and donot want to lose any existing data. can anyone please suggest how do i repartition my disk. ive read a few articles and HOWTOs on this and frm what i gather is that a dual boot system should look like this: 1)Windows partion (FAT32) 2)Linux partition 3)Swap partition 4)Partition for data accesible from Windows and Linux(FAT32) now these articles explained this repartitioning when their original disk had a single primary dos partition. so my problem is how do i repartition my disk which has a primary and a logical partition? also i have 128MB RAM. so what should be the size of my Swap partition? thanks for your help . ak. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more
