Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
> > I wont include the message, but if I were a Freudian Psychiatrist, > > I'd have a hay day with it and all that talk of ego, spelling > > errors, all lower case letters :^)~ > > if frogs had wings... > > which books by freud have you read? Freud was a junkie who couldn't solve his own problems, and while it makes interesting reading, its psycho babble (with the emphasis on babble) of the best kind :) Rick Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com POV-Ray News & Resources - http://Povray.co.uk TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - FAX : +44 (01270) 251105 - ICQ : 15776037 PGP Public Key http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x231E1CEA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
-Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]En nombre de Franki >Enviado el: lunes, 24 de septiembre de 2001 17:29 >Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Asunto: RE: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list > (Some text was deleted) >PS, we are too close to providing a comparably usable Desktop OS and already >have a better server, >so lets not blow it be coming across as zealots, it doesn't look good.. >look what it did for apple? they had a bunch of old fanatics attacking >everything that wasn't apple, >and when that didnt' grow to anything, they had to swap to selling colorful >dayglo cases(imac) and >notebooks to newbies.. >(having said that, that later idea actually worked to some degree... :-) >peace people, >rgds >Frank I agree with you Frank, I live in Uruguay (South America), and here there is a usergroup. The first time I installed a Linux distribution (SUSE 6.0) I asked for help in its list. Most of the answers were "read man something", "read howto something", and more than once somebody laughted at my ignorance related to unix enviroment. The result was that I get rid of SUSE installation. I know that for Linux gurus a lot of things are more than obvious, but for the newcomers Linux documentation is rather like a maze, since for understanding a doc, you always have to read something else. So when the only answer is "read this or that" or "you'd better buy a real modem" they don't help at all. Specially when you live in South America and the hardware is not as available and cheap as in USA or Europe. I've been in this mailing list for a while, but I didn't dare to post anything until knowing a little about the idiosyncrasy of the list. Anyway, I have no right to critisize anybody and I have to say that, from my point of view, the great majority is very helpful in the list. Even though I couldn't put my modem SM56 on line yet ;-) And I wanted to say that Mandrake 8.0 is the most user friendly Linux distribution I have ever seen, too! Best regards, Rafael Lepra Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
On Thursday 27 September 2001 00:47, Jesse C. Chang wrote: > Mark Weaver wrote: > > :) i'm told that real men us VI and Pine. > > Pine? Real men use mailx. :) Sorry, real men don't need no steenkin' computer ... Michel (obviously not ...) -- Michel Clasquin, D Litt et Phil (Unisa) [EMAIL PROTECTED]/unisa.ac.za http://www.geocities.com/clasqm This message was posted from a Microsoft-free PC The first human being who hurled an insult instead of a stone was the founder of civilisation. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
Mark Weaver wrote: > :) i'm told that real men us VI and Pine. Pine? Real men use mailx. :) Jesse, not a real man (I use elm). -- !! Jesse C. Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] [___] `|' "I have the simplest tastes. I am always /|\ satisfied with the best." -- Oscar Wilde Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
george wrote: > i mean cleaning up posts, cutting out slim and other none help. > editing posts of unneeded quotes, sigs, repition. such, that in end, > you have a neat, consice, informative bit of info gathered, so that a > newbie can gain understanding and help from. Well, Ok, yes, in a sense. I'm working to setup a TWiki site which I will call WikiLearn. Here are a few sample pages: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Test/AvoidHTMLinEmail http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Test/AboutThesePages http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Test/MeteredInternetAccess http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Test/DownloadingLinuxDistributions (These are temporarily on somebody else's TWiki until I get my own going (which has been a slow process). The idea is to record my (or other's) experiences in learning something to make it easier for the next guy to learn the same thing. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
Richie de Almeida wrote: > > Sorry George, I was just contributing to the conversation. > > I kinda wondered if I wasn't making myself clear but you understand > your position well enuff you didn't take any offence! > > The thread itself was talking about a particular bad response to > HTML email > so that was the 'freaking-out' I was referring to. Most people are > helpful > on the list but it's "one bad egg that spoils the bunch", you know? thank you for your responce. no problem, apoligizes accepted. you had me wondering if i was failing in my frugal attempts. > I beleive that to a real Newbie, the Linux community can seem really > difficult to get into (open-source, closed-community), sort of clique-ish. 'sort of clique-ish'. now that is being kind. ;) > It's not as bad as the days of BBSing on my C64 but I still notice the same > bad behaviour every now-and-then. So when someone comes down hard on a Newbie > for not sticking to rules they don't understand maybe it's up to the rest of > us to remind everyone to lighten up a bit... It's not just the code that's > open source, the P.R. is up to all of us as well! i sometimes wonder about those who jump hard on newbies. like, maybe they have some deep supression from early developement. like did they have trouble with their parents understanding and being able to explan to them why their panties are wet. ;) > Take it easy and I'll see you in the Newbie list! God willing and creaks do not rise. tc,hago. g . Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Anke & Max wrote: > > Gidday All [snip] >> it is easier to teach good habits, than it is to change >> bad habits. > > Well said g > > Thanks > Max thank you max. i do hope all of this does help 'all us newbies'. -=- perseverance can be a reward. -=- tc,hago. g . Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
ROTFL!!! Good one Mark! When I'm home, on my Linux box, VI & Pine are tools of choice. Unfortunately here at work, I'm on a Win2k PC (shudder), and Mozilla is the best I can do from here... It serves the purpose. Ric Mark Weaver wrote: > :) i'm told that real men us VI and Pine. > > > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > message.footer > > Content-Type: > > text/plain > Content-Encoding: > > 8bit > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
On Tuesday 25 September 2001 16:22, you had thoughts to the concept of: > On Tuesday 25 September 2001 13:10, you spoke unto the masses thusly: > > Yeah, that reminds me - a few days ago someone on a NZ linux list said > > that anyone using Mandrake with gui may as well stick with MS Windows. I > > found that quite insulting. Besides, I reckon Mandrake is the perfect > > solution for learning linux when migrating from MS. > > you must be kidding? clearly not someone who has suffered from ms use > recently! I recently saw a suggestion that if anyone was ever gonna be a microshaft "killer" it would have to be a aol-timewarner/mandrake distro. coaster,, err CD is in the mail. > maybe it is almost as friendly, but in speed, price, power, > stability... ok so anyone here could go on and on with the list, but > really. someone said that? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251"; name="message.footer" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Miark wrote: > [snip] i thought that was 'cheese and mac'. use tip of a spoon handle. works for me. tc,hago. g . Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
What I do is keep a mental list of a$$h0l3$ and just don't help them. If you are not as moral as me, give them advice that will keep them running in circles. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, s wrote: > On Monday 24 September 2001 03:19 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: > > I recently made the serious error of replying to a question (on this > > list), to a person seaking advice on a modem. I "did" make the mistake > > of recently switching my mail software, and I missed turning off HTML. > > I've corrected that. > > > > However, I don't think I did anything to warrent being called names. > > Perhaps the folks on a "newbie" list could learn to say "thank you > > " to those who respond to their questions, and not start with the name > > calling. Or perhaps the next time, they'll get far fewer responses. > > > I seldom let things like this burn me. But this person went out of their > > way just to insult someone who tried to help. > > > > Maybe the rest of you will remember the name when more questions are asked. > > > > Have a good day > > > > Ric > > It's been getting hostile on all the forums and ngs since 8.0 came out, and > that number has been multiplied by the influx of windows refugees since the > publicity surrounding the windows product activation. It's gotten to where > trying to help ain't even fun anymore. I agree, it's a sad state of affairs. > -s > > > -- Arthur H. Johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
It looks like plain text mail. Standard font is courier new I believe. Unfortunately I'm using Outlook now. Will be wiping my machine clean soon for a testing of raid in Linux :^) Hans N. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randy Kramer Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 12:57 PM What does plain ASCII email look like in Outlook? I guess I should try looking at some HTML and plain text emails in Outlook and see what they do look like. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
Randy Kramer wrote: > george wrote: > >>surely, a newbie to a list will note that majority of messages >>are written in text mode. >> >>even if they do start out under msos, if they can read, >>they must be aware. >> >>and surely, if they are under osbs, they have been sending >>and receiveing email and know when html is enabled. that is >>if they look at what they are doing. >> > > I'm not so sure about this -- apparently anything they receive is > readable. What does plain ASCII email look like in Outlook? I guess I > should try looking at some HTML and plain text emails in Outlook and see > what they do look like. I have to agree. I'm using Mozilla, and "most" unformatted HTML mail looks (at a glance) the same as ascii mail. It's easy to miss. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
On Tuesday 25 September 2001 13:10, you spoke unto the masses thusly: > > Yeah, that reminds me - a few days ago someone on a NZ linux list said > that anyone using Mandrake with gui may as well stick with MS Windows. I > found that quite insulting. Besides, I reckon Mandrake is the perfect > solution for learning linux when migrating from MS. > you must be kidding? clearly not someone who has suffered from ms use recently! maybe it is almost as friendly, but in speed, price, power, stability... ok so anyone here could go on and on with the list, but really. someone said that? -- Windows: Where do you want to go today? MacOS: Where do you want to be tomorrow? Linux: Are you coming or what? shane http://www.mystic-light.net/personal/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! Link different. Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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That can be the other way around as well. In the past I have used my computer for many things other than the internet. In fact this list has led me to spend more time on the internet, because I am learning how to use my computer for reasons that are not neccesarily internet related. When I do use the internet (other than this list) it is only for short periods of time, to retrieve some data. I studied COBOL and RPG, when I had only a foggy idea of what the "Super Information Highway" (as we called it back then) was and before I had ever touched a PC.(remember coding sheets?)Some youger people may not realize that there were computers before the internet and they were (and still are) very useful, even without the internet.I have been using Linux for about three years now and consider myself a seasoned newbie. However, when it comes to internet and email topics I am just scatcthing the surface and I need to have even the basics explained before I get a grasp on what is being discussed.LAN networking is completely over my head. Using Linux and following this list has taught me more about the underlying processes of the internet and everything else,than DOS or Winduhs ever did, including how Winduhs works.It seems we have a vast variety of levels and areas of expertise on the list and I celebrate that. The more variety, the more opportunities for learning. ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user #217118 John Clegg wrote: > Please don't assume that just because someone is a Linux newbie they are an > email newbie. Some people have their HTML habits DEEPLY ingrained! > > John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Please don't assume that just because someone is a Linux newbie they are an email newbie. Some people have their HTML habits DEEPLY ingrained! John > -Original Message- > From: george [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 4:09 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list > > > Mark Johnson wrote: > > > > Agreed. You know it's amazing how many times we assume the worse in > > others > [snip] > > no agrument with you points of this issue. > > before long, this thread can make a good 'faqs for newbie'. > > but will they bother to read it. > > surely, a newbie to a list will note that majority of messages > are written in text mode. > > even if they do start out under msos, if they can read, > they must be aware. > > and surely, if they are under osbs, they have been sending > and receiveing email and know when html is enabled. that is > if they look at what they are doing. > > afore, my coment, return them their email. do not know about > your system, but at station i am on now, 15" crt, 98% of html > email is too small small to read with out reseting caps. > > if a newbie needs help, help him or her. but first help them > by starting them off in a proper manner. !! no htnl !! > > second, inform them of proper way to enter 'subject:', > a good 'subject:' works, better than 'subject: it dont wrok'. > 'subject:' make quicker searches than 'find in body'. > > it is easier to teach good habits, than it is to change > bad habits. > > instill good habits from begining. > > > tc,hago. > > g > . > > > ** Any views expressed in this message are the sender's own, and do not represent the views of Nailsea Family Practice or Woodspring Healthcare Limited except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of one or both of those organisations. This e-mail should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed. Accordingly, we disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences of any person other than the intended recipients acting, or refraining from acting, on such information. If you have received this e-mail in error, please accept our apologies and we simply request that you delete this document. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Tuesday 25 September 2001 04:23 am, Miark wrote: > Ya, me too. Oh, and I also hate that the Kraft mac & cheese (i.e. Kraft > Dinner) boxes have that perforated tab to open the box, but I nearly snap > my finger off every time I try to use it. > > Miark LOL!!! -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 00:59:05 +0800 "Franki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cleverly noted: > Why not ask the mailing list admins to add those details and the > unsubscription info as txt to the bottom of all the emails.. > > that way they are bound to eventually notice it... > > rgds > > Frank Not a bad suggestion, Frank, but I'm a couple of other lists where that is the case and it doesn't seem to stop the problems anyway Mike -- "He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you., he really is an idiot." -Groucho Marx _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
Why not ask the mailing list admins to add those details and the unsubscription info as txt to the bottom of all the emails.. that way they are bound to eventually notice it... rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of george Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2001 11:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list Mark Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. You know it's amazing how many times we assume the worse in > others [snip] no agrument with you points of this issue. before long, this thread can make a good 'faqs for newbie'. but will they bother to read it. surely, a newbie to a list will note that majority of messages are written in text mode. even if they do start out under msos, if they can read, they must be aware. and surely, if they are under osbs, they have been sending and receiveing email and know when html is enabled. that is if they look at what they are doing. afore, my coment, return them their email. do not know about your system, but at station i am on now, 15" crt, 98% of html email is too small small to read with out reseting caps. if a newbie needs help, help him or her. but first help them by starting them off in a proper manner. !! no htnl !! second, inform them of proper way to enter 'subject:', a good 'subject:' works, better than 'subject: it dont wrok'. 'subject:' make quicker searches than 'find in body'. it is easier to teach good habits, than it is to change bad habits. instill good habits from begining. tc,hago. g . Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
george wrote: > surely, a newbie to a list will note that majority of messages > are written in text mode. > > even if they do start out under msos, if they can read, > they must be aware. > > and surely, if they are under osbs, they have been sending > and receiveing email and know when html is enabled. that is > if they look at what they are doing. I'm not so sure about this -- apparently anything they receive is readable. What does plain ASCII email look like in Outlook? I guess I should try looking at some HTML and plain text emails in Outlook and see what they do look like. Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
Mark Johnson wrote: > > Agreed. You know it's amazing how many times we assume the worse in > others [snip] no agrument with you points of this issue. before long, this thread can make a good 'faqs for newbie'. but will they bother to read it. surely, a newbie to a list will note that majority of messages are written in text mode. even if they do start out under msos, if they can read, they must be aware. and surely, if they are under osbs, they have been sending and receiveing email and know when html is enabled. that is if they look at what they are doing. afore, my coment, return them their email. do not know about your system, but at station i am on now, 15" crt, 98% of html email is too small small to read with out reseting caps. if a newbie needs help, help him or her. but first help them by starting them off in a proper manner. !! no htnl !! second, inform them of proper way to enter 'subject:', a good 'subject:' works, better than 'subject: it dont wrok'. 'subject:' make quicker searches than 'find in body'. it is easier to teach good habits, than it is to change bad habits. instill good habits from begining. tc,hago. g . Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: > [snip] thank you for your responce. i follow this list. i am threading subject. i will reply thru list to this subject... > -- Jeremy S. Anderson another wise man... -=- beauty of real is revealed only to those who persevere. -=- perseverance can be a reward. -=- slaying dragons -=- tc,hago. g . Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Agreed. You know it's amazing how many times we assume the worse in others when rarely it is ever the case that there was any harm intended. There are only a few people out there in the world that really enjoy making others miserable or really get their kicks by controlling others. The majority of folks just want to get through their day with the least amount of conflict and them most amount of enjoyment; even so, something in our nature seems to make us quick to believe that the actions of another were most certainly meant to cross our personal space and damn them to hell for having such gall. More frequently I've found that most folks don't know they did something wrong and all you have to do is say "becareful when you ..." and everything is good to go. We spend more energy being upset and fighting about crap than we do anything else. Take for example my email, this thing is short in comparison to other rants on a lot of heated topics. I've really wasted a good amount of my energy writing two paragraphs which a few people might read and even fewer will give more than a moments thought -- not that I've said anything significant here. As I grow older, I tell myself to relax and whatever transpires it's probably not about me and take a moment to look beyond to immediate irritation. ps: newbies and non-newbies will continue to accidently post HTML email, we should politely remind them that they should turn it off and understand that life if full of small irritations. pps: better yet, the listserver should be able to parse out the HTML and send plain text -- the fact is people will always make mistakes, that's why we build systems and processes to minimize those mistakes (Human Factors 101). > -Original Message- > From: Richie de Almeida [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 7:59 AM > To: george; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list > > > On Monday 24 September 2001 17:24, george wrote: > > Ric Tibbetts wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > to ric and rest, > > > > html does look nice... on an internet site. > > > > i have filters for 'twits' that use html that sends html messages to > > '!-html' mail box, which i later manually edit out waste. > in so doing, > > file will drop 50% to 75% in size. > > > > being on a pots line, i could get messages at least 50% > faster if those > > who can not read would read. but for there reasons of what > ever, they > > seem to fail to note that they are only ones who use html. > > > > this is not a flame to them, but i really do believe that they have > > some sort of mental problem, or are on an ego trip. i > really feel sorry > > for them. but i will not go out of my way for them. > > > > ..etc, etc... > > Sure, the HTML stuff can be really inconvenient but in a day > and age where > hard drive space is plentiful and plenty cheap, filesize is > not cause to get > cross about the way a message gets posted. > > As for speed, well, I use a 56K modem at home and due to the > condition of the > old telephone lines in my neighbourhood I average 3K /sec > downloads on a > goodday and downloading hundreds of these newbie emails in a > go still doesn't > take that long-- they arrive faster than I can read them all > at any rate. > > If this space was for more advanced users you might have a > point about what > HTML posters are thinking but this is an area for Newbies and > Newbies don't > necessarily have control or even awareness of what or where > their settings > are and this forum is supposed to help with that. > > Please realize that many Newbies will always be Newbies > because they don't > want to learn about Linux or PCs, they just want to > accomplish a few tasks. > And from what I've seen in this list over the past couple > months, that's what > goes on here. > > When I see people getting upset over HTML being posted (or > top-posting-- who > remembers that thread?) in this list it seems to me that > they're asking for a > Newbie list without Newbies. > > The point I'm trying to make is that freaking out or building > up anger over > the way an email gets posted can't lead to anything good. > Hostile words > aside, what if a Newbie gets discouraged and returns to using > their familiar > Windows products-- nobody wins! > > Richie > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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> All it takes is a little polite education, and most people will catch on > quickly. If they don't, _then_ we can abuse (or just ignore) them. I'm thinking ignoring might be better. I know I have more important things to be nasty to people about, rather than some unreadable email. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Monday 24 September 2001 17:24, george wrote: > Ric Tibbetts wrote: > > [snip] > > to ric and rest, > > html does look nice... on an internet site. > > i have filters for 'twits' that use html that sends html messages to > '!-html' mail box, which i later manually edit out waste. in so doing, > file will drop 50% to 75% in size. > > being on a pots line, i could get messages at least 50% faster if those > who can not read would read. but for there reasons of what ever, they > seem to fail to note that they are only ones who use html. > > this is not a flame to them, but i really do believe that they have > some sort of mental problem, or are on an ego trip. i really feel sorry > for them. but i will not go out of my way for them. > ..etc, etc... Sure, the HTML stuff can be really inconvenient but in a day and age where hard drive space is plentiful and plenty cheap, filesize is not cause to get cross about the way a message gets posted. As for speed, well, I use a 56K modem at home and due to the condition of the old telephone lines in my neighbourhood I average 3K /sec downloads on a goodday and downloading hundreds of these newbie emails in a go still doesn't take that long-- they arrive faster than I can read them all at any rate. If this space was for more advanced users you might have a point about what HTML posters are thinking but this is an area for Newbies and Newbies don't necessarily have control or even awareness of what or where their settings are and this forum is supposed to help with that. Please realize that many Newbies will always be Newbies because they don't want to learn about Linux or PCs, they just want to accomplish a few tasks. And from what I've seen in this list over the past couple months, that's what goes on here. When I see people getting upset over HTML being posted (or top-posting-- who remembers that thread?) in this list it seems to me that they're asking for a Newbie list without Newbies. The point I'm trying to make is that freaking out or building up anger over the way an email gets posted can't lead to anything good. Hostile words aside, what if a Newbie gets discouraged and returns to using their familiar Windows products-- nobody wins! Richie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:33:38 -0400, Dennis Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 24 September 2001 16:16, you wrote: > > Oops, I've just told someone off for using html! > > > > Insults are a waste of time and offensive - we all make mistakes. I hate > > html mail but, also, I use Sylpheed on one of my machines and it can't > > handle html, so there's a practical reason. However, on this machine I > > use KMail and I have forgotten to switch off html myself on occasions. > > So let's just concentrate on helping one another. > > > > I don't have a "twit" filter - if I did, I guess we would all end up in > > it at some point. It's very sad, really.Ric (none of us) should > > have to put up with this. Maybe we should filter out Kari! > > > > David > > Now I'm confused, I understood that Kmail would not send HTML but could > read it. So you can set the reception for those lovely : ) ZDnet > announcements and yet not worry about sending out html. If I'm wrong I am > probably sending HTML now. Let me know without burning my house down, Ok? > I am CC ing this to me so I can see what it looks like. later Don't worry, you are correct. KMail can _view_ HTML mail (via KHTML), but it cannot create them. Sylpheed Claws (I don't know about the standard version) tries to convert HTML mail into plain text for viewing, Lynx-style. It also allows you to direct HTML mail to the browser of your choice. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. "There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
I wont include the message, but if I were a Freudian Psychiatrist, I'd have a hay day with it and all that talk of ego, spelling errors, all lower case letters :^)~ Hans N. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of george Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 5:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
It has been my experience that most of the offenders don't even know the difference between html and plain text let alone know how to change a setting. "I thought all I had to do was turn it on and just go..." }B->) I can't tell you how frustrating it was for me to get some members of some lists that I run from my server to change their settings in AOL!!! Then I found demime which just strips it and attachments - including vcf's - before a message hits a list. Another solution might be to get the newbie list folk to use something like demime to strip the html... Ed At 10:24 PM 9/24/2001 +0100, you wrote: >as a suggestion, when some one sends and html email, every body respond >to them, off list, by forwarding them their message and ask them to >resubmit in plain text. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
Some of us "refugees" do appreciate the help very much, are not rude ever, no matter how provoked, and would prefer not to be tarred with the same brush as those who are rude and/or hostile. Frankly, as a lurker extraordinaire, I would rather associate with the guy who gave up an old video card than the one who chastised the big mouth. BUT.You are all very valuable and appreciated here. Lee 9/24/01 12:04:15 PM, s <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Monday 24 September 2001 03:19 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: >> I recently made the serious error of replying to a question (on this >> list), to a person seaking advice on a modem. I "did" make the mistake >> of recently switching my mail software, and I missed turning off HTML. >> I've corrected that. >> >> However, I don't think I did anything to warrent being called names. >> Perhaps the folks on a "newbie" list could learn to say "thank you >> " to those who respond to their questions, and not start with the name >> calling. Or perhaps the next time, they'll get far fewer responses. > >> I seldom let things like this burn me. But this person went out of their >> way just to insult someone who tried to help. >> >> Maybe the rest of you will remember the name when more questions are asked. >> >> Have a good day >> >> Ric > >It's been getting hostile on all the forums and ngs since 8.0 came out, and >that number has been multiplied by the influx of windows refugees since the >publicity surrounding the windows product activation. It's gotten to where >trying to help ain't even fun anymore. I agree, it's a sad state of affairs. >-s > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
yeah, but its still not the redhat site, have you been on that??? There must be thousands of people on this list, and probably 20 of them have proven to be "nasty" posters... that still leaves alot (the majority in fact!!!) that are here because of linux instead of politics or personal amateur psychology and trolling. I would like to consider myself in that majority.. and I think a good many of you do as well, (hense it being a maajority :-) rgds Frank PS, we are too close to providing a comparably usable Desktop OS and already have a better server, so lets not blow it be coming across as zealots, it doesn't look good.. look what it did for apple? they had a bunch of old fanatics attacking everything that wasn't apple, and when that didnt' grow to anything, they had to swap to selling colorful dayglo cases(imac) and notebooks to newbies.. (having said that, that later idea actually worked to some degree... :-) peace people, rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of s Sent: Tuesday, 25 September 2001 3:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list On Monday 24 September 2001 03:19 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: > I recently made the serious error of replying to a question (on this > list), to a person seaking advice on a modem. I "did" make the mistake > of recently switching my mail software, and I missed turning off HTML. > I've corrected that. > > However, I don't think I did anything to warrent being called names. > Perhaps the folks on a "newbie" list could learn to say "thank you > " to those who respond to their questions, and not start with the name > calling. Or perhaps the next time, they'll get far fewer responses. > I seldom let things like this burn me. But this person went out of their > way just to insult someone who tried to help. > > Maybe the rest of you will remember the name when more questions are asked. > > Have a good day > > Ric It's been getting hostile on all the forums and ngs since 8.0 came out, and that number has been multiplied by the influx of windows refugees since the publicity surrounding the windows product activation. It's gotten to where trying to help ain't even fun anymore. I agree, it's a sad state of affairs. -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
On Monday 24 September 2001 03:19 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: > I recently made the serious error of replying to a question (on this > list), to a person seaking advice on a modem. I "did" make the mistake > of recently switching my mail software, and I missed turning off HTML. > I've corrected that. > > However, I don't think I did anything to warrent being called names. > Perhaps the folks on a "newbie" list could learn to say "thank you > " to those who respond to their questions, and not start with the name > calling. Or perhaps the next time, they'll get far fewer responses. > I seldom let things like this burn me. But this person went out of their > way just to insult someone who tried to help. > > Maybe the rest of you will remember the name when more questions are asked. > > Have a good day > > Ric It's been getting hostile on all the forums and ngs since 8.0 came out, and that number has been multiplied by the influx of windows refugees since the publicity surrounding the windows product activation. It's gotten to where trying to help ain't even fun anymore. I agree, it's a sad state of affairs. -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
I recently made the serious error of replying to a question (on this list), to a person seaking advice on a modem. I "did" make the mistake of recently switching my mail software, and I missed turning off HTML. I've corrected that. However, I don't think I did anything to warrent being called names. Perhaps the folks on a "newbie" list could learn to say "thank you " to those who respond to their questions, and not start with the name calling. Or perhaps the next time, they'll get far fewer responses. The brief exchange is included below for everyones entertainment. The hostile individual was Kari Suomela <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I seldom let things like this burn me. But this person went out of their way just to insult someone who tried to help. Maybe the rest of you will remember the name when more questions are asked. Have a good day Ric - The exchange - >>Sorry about the HTML. I thought I had that turned off. >>And: >>I did send that to the list. I sent it with a "reply to all" as is >>customary. > >Not in a posting to a list. Welcome to my twit filter! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
