Re: [newbie] How to go about creating a new partition.
Marc Resnick wrote: On Thursday 12 February 2004 12:43 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: At the end of the day the decision whether to use PM has to be yours. All I can add is, that in my now fairly extensive experience I would not mix my partition tools on the same drive. If something went wrong with PM last time it has to be because you did something wrong with it. In my experience it is a fine partioning tool. I would not use PM to repartion anything diskdrake has already created though.If you create something with PM use PM to alter it, If you created a partion with diskdrake use it to undo it. So if you have this HD and it has a windblows ntfs partion with a windblows OS, I would use PM to resize it. then with the remaining disc space I would use PM to partion it for my linux install, I would have PM format those linux partitions in FAT 32 and assign a volume label, helps to keep track of which partition does what. Then leave PM and reboot into the linux boot disc and proceed to intall the linux OS, and when you come to the choosing of partions I would have diskdrake format those linux partitions. It has never failed me doing this.There may be other ways of doing it, but that is what I would do. If you do what you propose, and you want to resize a diskdrake partioning later on it can lead to difficulties when that repartioning has been done with anything that is not the same partioning convention as the windblows OS use. For me the golden rule is never mix partioning tools on the same HD. You already have a windblows OS that you do not want to disturb, fine, PM will easily repartion that OS's partition and retain data. To me your question ought to be what did I do wrong with PM to mess up the your first experience. PM, is quite a slow tool, if you use it to repartion , reformat and assign a volume label it certainly takes it's time, especially if the partions are large, but then it does more than that, it checks up on your drive and looks for bad sectors, if it finds any it marks them for you so that nothing gets written over those bad sectors in any future install, and that bad sector is written to the drives sectret index of the hard drives construct, that is important. You do not want wonky installs on bad sectors. All this takes a long time. I remember partioning a 40 gig drive last time and about 8 partions took the best part of an evening to accomplish. But it was worth it. What version do you have, is it the latest, cannot remember what the latest version number is but mine can format and recognise ext2, but not the other linux file systems. For that reason alone I would not use PM to final format a linux OS install, but it's perfectly good enough to format and check for bad sectors on any partion in any windbows file system. Once those bad sectors are marked they remain marked. After that use diskdrake to reformat those partions during the install prcedures. John I used PM 7 to create my extra space for Linux, then auto allocated with the Linux install. I,m using PM v8, so if my memory serves me correctly PM v7 does not recognise ext2 cannot format in it, and marks ext2 partition as unallocated, but don't worry that does not really matter. Just go ahead and create the partitions you want for linux, have the sectors checked, the partitions formatted in say FAT32 and give them a volume lable.Then reformat the linux partitons with diskdrake during linux install( I take it we are talking about Mandrake) Thanks for your advice, I supposed I'll just use PM for everything. I'll create FAT32 at the end of the Extended partition so I can easily transfer from linux to windows, and also so I don't mess up labels and screw over fdisk. Thanks, Marc Well if you do screw up don't panic, it's all recoverable , just don't do anything to mess your windblows OS. If you do have trouble just ask again here on this list. Plenty of people with loads of experience to help you. What I have described is my way, I'm not presumptious enough to say it's the only way, but it's never failed me, and I've used most of them. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to go about creating a new partition.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday 13 October 2002 7:11 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: whack Well if you do screw up don't panic, it's all recoverable , just don't do anything to mess your windblows OS. If you do have trouble just ask again here on this list. Plenty of people with loads of experience to help you. What I have described is my way, I'm not presumptious enough to say it's the only way, but it's never failed me, and I've used most of them. John I still don't know why anyone buys proprietary stuff to do something that can be done with free open source tools. Has anybody ever heard of parted? http://www.linuxmigration.com/quickref/install/disk.html Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (RC1) for i586 kernel 2.4.25-0.pre7.3mdk 09:11:12 up 22:33, 1 user, load average: 0.64, 0.39, 0.77 Ahh... the smell of cuprinol and mahogany. It excites me to... acts of passion... acts of... ineptitude. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFALPsyZqvqlrLPr5YRAhUcAJ9BxqOPelYTkpdO8yL8sNhh2ORbIACgnGch ZZJUhwKe4vzhLA1MuoUzDBI= =C4sD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to go about creating a new partition.
Because everybody do have a free choice to decide what to use/buy/get for free...we are lucky that this choice do exist...maybe not always the correct one but still it there :-) Johan * On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:28:34 -0700 Charlie Mahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sunday 13 October 2002 7:11 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: whack Well if you do screw up don't panic, it's all recoverable , just don't do anything to mess your windblows OS. If you do have trouble just ask again here on this list. Plenty of people with loads of experience to help you. What I have described is my way, I'm not presumptious enough to say it's the only way, but it's never failed me, and I've used most of them. John I still don't know why anyone buys proprietary stuff to do something that can be done with free open source tools. Has anybody ever heard of parted? http://www.linuxmigration.com/quickref/install/disk.html Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (RC1) for i586 kernel 2.4.25-0.pre7.3mdk 09:11:12 up 22:33, 1 user, load average: 0.64, 0.39, 0.77 Ahh... the smell of cuprinol and mahogany. It excites me to... acts of passion... acts of... ineptitude. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFALPsyZqvqlrLPr5YRAhUcAJ9BxqOPelYTkpdO8yL8sNhh2ORbIACgnGch ZZJUhwKe4vzhLA1MuoUzDBI= =C4sD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Johan Registered Linux User #330034 .. still learning May this be a good day for learning Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to go about creating a new partition.
On Friday 13 February 2004 10:28 am, Charlie Mahan wrote: Sunday 13 October 2002 7:11 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: whack Well if you do screw up don't panic, it's all recoverable , just don't do anything to mess your windblows OS. If you do have trouble just ask again here on this list. Plenty of people with loads of experience to help you. What I have described is my way, I'm not presumptious enough to say it's the only way, but it's never failed me, and I've used most of them. John I still don't know why anyone buys proprietary stuff to do something that can be done with free open source tools. Has anybody ever heard of parted? http://www.linuxmigration.com/quickref/install/disk.html Regards; Charlie Exactly. http://www.sysresccd.org/ Here are the main system tools: GNU Parted is the best tool for editing your disk partitions under linux QtParted is a Partition Magic clone for Linux. Partimage is a Ghost/Drive-image clone for Linux File systems tools (e2fsprogs, reiserfsprogs, xfsprogs, jfsutils, ntfsprogs, dosfstools): they allow you to format, resize, debug an existing partition of your hard disk Sfdisk allows you to backup and restore your partition table -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to go about creating a new partition.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday 13 February 2004 10:40 am, Tom Brinkman wrote: whack I still don't know why anyone buys proprietary stuff to do something that can be done with free open source tools. Has anybody ever heard of parted? http://www.linuxmigration.com/quickref/install/disk.html Regards; Charlie Exactly. http://www.sysresccd.org/ Here are the main system tools: GNU Parted is the best tool for editing your disk partitions under linux QtParted is a Partition Magic clone for Linux. Partimage is a Ghost/Drive-image clone for Linux File systems tools (e2fsprogs, reiserfsprogs, xfsprogs, jfsutils, ntfsprogs, dosfstools): they allow you to format, resize, debug an existing partition of your hard disk Sfdisk allows you to backup and restore your partition table Thanks Tom. I'm sure you've posted that message, or one close to it, on this list before. But I had misplaced it. Now I have it again. g Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (RC1) for i586 kernel 2.4.25-0.pre7.3mdk 11:53:45 up 1 day, 1:16, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.08, 0.14 BOFH excuse #119: evil hackers from Serbia. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFALR2VZqvqlrLPr5YRAuYrAJ48NgzbacMspWKBlLr+Jj7XrPypTQCbBnb4 wQncE3rA7H327Q9ij2gCEzI= =ak5p -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to go about creating a new partition.
Marc Resnick wrote: Last time I tried to make a partition to give Linux more hard drive space, I completely screwed up Linux. Here's my plan for doing it this time. If there's anything I might screw up by doing this, please tell me. 1. Use Partition Magic in windows to resize my NTFS Windows Partition. 2. Boot Linux, use Diskdrake to create a partition from the free space, place it at the end of the sector.(I want to use Linux to do this so it 'knows' that I added this partition. Last time I think the problem was that it took mdk by surprise, screwing up the labels.) 3. Do ln /home/marc /mnt/nameofpartition Sound good? I would not do this. If windows and linux are on the same hard drive then use PM for all partitoning. If they are on seperate hard drives use PM on windows HD, and diskdrake on Linux HD. If you use PM on windblows HD then format all partitions initially with FAT32 and let PM give each partition a volume lable. Then, when in diskdrake of Linux install, reformat the already partitioned HD with linux formatting tools, but don't let it do any partitioning itself. If you have a linux only HD, then use diskdrake to do both partition and formatting. So plan what you are going to do and follow that scheme of things. The one thing I always avoid is mixing partition tools on the same hard drive. Others disagree with me, but I have always found this to be the case and doing this I avoid all kinds of messups that take 5 times as much time to repair than if I had taken an 'n'th more time and trouble in the first place. I believe there are good solid reasons not to mix partition tools on the same HD. It is not just the method used to calculate partition sizes, but dos naming conventions as well. Hmm, you might say , who cares about dos naming convention, dos is history. Not so, some modern OS's still need certain uptodate dos naming conventions, eg. One primary. One extended dos partition, containing any number of logical dos partitions) old dos naming convention does not follow that pattern. I believe Diskdrake does the old dos naming convention and can be the cause of grief. So Diskdrake creates, Up to 4 primary dos partitions, one extended containing any number of logicals. At the end of the day you want hard drives whose partitioning sizing is consistantly measured. Hard drives that follow modern dos naming convention. I have always followed the abovementioned rules and find them to be trouble free. No install refusals, no messed up partitions wasteful in dead HD space. I had a tiny old HD that I partition entirely with W2K just to see what dos naming convention resulted , that is how I learnt about modern dos naming convention. Then of course if I had usedthe old dos fdisk I can choose , but neither of these two partition tools can save existing data. So don't bother with them. If you have PM use it on the windblows HD to do all partitioning and initally format them with FAT32 and give the partitions a volume lable. then format the partitions allocated to linux with diskdrake during the linux install. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Part 1.1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 7BIT message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] How to go about creating a new partition.
Marc, When creating partitions on Linux, they run with numbers, and they go in order. You fstab uses these numbers to mount the partitions. If you create a new partition at the end of the drive it will get a number after the last partition, i.e. last part is 12 new will be 13. If you create the new partition before the last partition, all partitions after the new one will increment by one. So new part is 8 and old part 8 turns to 9 etc. This will mess up fstab. You will need to manually edit this before rebooting your box if you use diskdrake. You might find that diskdrake will do this for you (not used it for ages so not sure). Hope this is clear enough. Tony. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marc Resnick Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 3:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] How to go about creating a new partition. Last time I tried to make a partition to give Linux more hard drive space, I completely screwed up Linux. Here's my plan for doing it this time. If there's anything I might screw up by doing this, please tell me. 1. Use Partition Magic in windows to resize my NTFS Windows Partition. 2. Boot Linux, use Diskdrake to create a partition from the free space, place it at the end of the sector.(I want to use Linux to do this so it 'knows' that I added this partition. Last time I think the problem was that it took mdk by surprise, screwing up the labels.) 3. Do ln /home/marc /mnt/nameofpartition Sound good? -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- Business Computer Projects - Disclaimer -+-+-+-+-+-+-+- This message, and any associated attachment is confidential. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the information in any way, and notify either [EMAIL PROTECTED] or the postmaster immediately. The contents of this message may contain personal views which are not necessarily the views of Business Computer Projects Ltd., unless specifically stated. Whilst every effort has been made to ensure that emails and their attachments are virus free, it is the responsibility of the recipient(s) to verify the integrity of such emails. Business Computer Projects Ltd BCP House 151 Charles Street Stockport Cheshire SK1 3JY Tel: +44 (0)161 355-3000 Fax: +44 (0)161 355-3001 Web: http://www.bcpsoftware.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to go about creating a new partition.
On Thursday 12 February 2004 05:20 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Marc Resnick wrote: Last time I tried to make a partition to give Linux more hard drive space, I completely screwed up Linux. Here's my plan for doing it this time. If there's anything I might screw up by doing this, please tell me. 1. Use Partition Magic in windows to resize my NTFS Windows Partition. 2. Boot Linux, use Diskdrake to create a partition from the free space, place it at the end of the sector.(I want to use Linux to do this so it 'knows' that I added this partition. Last time I think the problem was that it took mdk by surprise, screwing up the labels.) 3. Do ln /home/marc /mnt/nameofpartition Sound good? I would not do this. If windows and linux are on the same hard drive then use PM for all partitoning. If they are on seperate hard drives use PM on windows HD, and diskdrake on Linux HD. If you use PM on windblows HD then format all partitions initially with FAT32 and let PM give each partition a volume lable. Then, when in diskdrake of Linux install, reformat the already partitioned HD with linux formatting tools, but don't let it do any partitioning itself. If you have a linux only HD, then use diskdrake to do both partition and formatting. So plan what you are going to do and follow that scheme of things. The one thing I always avoid is mixing partition tools on the same hard drive. Others disagree with me, but I have always found this to be the case and doing this I avoid all kinds of messups that take 5 times as much time to repair than if I had taken an 'n'th more time and trouble in the first place. I believe there are good solid reasons not to mix partition tools on the same HD. It is not just the method used to calculate partition sizes, but dos naming conventions as well. Hmm, you might say , who cares about dos naming convention, dos is history. Not so, some modern OS's still need certain uptodate dos naming conventions, eg. One primary. One extended dos partition, containing any number of logical dos partitions) old dos naming convention does not follow that pattern. I believe Diskdrake does the old dos naming convention and can be the cause of grief. So Diskdrake creates, Up to 4 primary dos partitions, one extended containing any number of logicals. At the end of the day you want hard drives whose partitioning sizing is consistantly measured. Hard drives that follow modern dos naming convention. I have always followed the abovementioned rules and find them to be trouble free. No install refusals, no messed up partitions wasteful in dead HD space. I had a tiny old HD that I partition entirely with W2K just to see what dos naming convention resulted , that is how I learnt about modern dos naming convention. Then of course if I had usedthe old dos fdisk I can choose , but neither of these two partition tools can save existing data. So don't bother with them. If you have PM use it on the windblows HD to do all partitioning and initally format them with FAT32 and give the partitions a volume lable. then format the partitions allocated to linux with diskdrake during the linux install. John John, I'm partly afraid of using Partition Magic now. Last time I created a FAT32 partition, I couldn't delete it. I permanently(or at least permanently for my knowledge) screwed up fstab, and had to reinstall linux, then use diskdrake to successfully delete the partition. But If I just resize the NTFS partition with PM, I could safely use diskdrake to create the partition at the end of the Extended, am I correct? --Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Part 1.1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 7BIT message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How to go about creating a new partition.
Marc Resnick wrote: On Thursday 12 February 2004 05:20 am, John Richard Smith wrote: Marc Resnick wrote: Last time I tried to make a partition to give Linux more hard drive space, I completely screwed up Linux. Here's my plan for doing it this time. If there's anything I might screw up by doing this, please tell me. 1. Use Partition Magic in windows to resize my NTFS Windows Partition. 2. Boot Linux, use Diskdrake to create a partition from the free space, place it at the end of the sector.(I want to use Linux to do this so it 'knows' that I added this partition. Last time I think the problem was that it took mdk by surprise, screwing up the labels.) 3. Do ln /home/marc /mnt/nameofpartition Sound good? I would not do this. If windows and linux are on the same hard drive then use PM for all partitoning. If they are on seperate hard drives use PM on windows HD, and diskdrake on Linux HD. If you use PM on windblows HD then format all partitions initially with FAT32 and let PM give each partition a volume lable. Then, when in diskdrake of Linux install, reformat the already partitioned HD with linux formatting tools, but don't let it do any partitioning itself. If you have a linux only HD, then use diskdrake to do both partition and formatting. So plan what you are going to do and follow that scheme of things. The one thing I always avoid is mixing partition tools on the same hard drive. Others disagree with me, but I have always found this to be the case and doing this I avoid all kinds of messups that take 5 times as much time to repair than if I had taken an 'n'th more time and trouble in the first place. I believe there are good solid reasons not to mix partition tools on the same HD. It is not just the method used to calculate partition sizes, but dos naming conventions as well. Hmm, you might say , who cares about dos naming convention, dos is history. Not so, some modern OS's still need certain uptodate dos naming conventions, eg. One primary. One extended dos partition, containing any number of logical dos partitions) old dos naming convention does not follow that pattern. I believe Diskdrake does the old dos naming convention and can be the cause of grief. So Diskdrake creates, Up to 4 primary dos partitions, one extended containing any number of logicals. At the end of the day you want hard drives whose partitioning sizing is consistantly measured. Hard drives that follow modern dos naming convention. I have always followed the abovementioned rules and find them to be trouble free. No install refusals, no messed up partitions wasteful in dead HD space. I had a tiny old HD that I partition entirely with W2K just to see what dos naming convention resulted , that is how I learnt about modern dos naming convention. Then of course if I had usedthe old dos fdisk I can choose , but neither of these two partition tools can save existing data. So don't bother with them. If you have PM use it on the windblows HD to do all partitioning and initally format them with FAT32 and give the partitions a volume lable. then format the partitions allocated to linux with diskdrake during the linux install. John John, I'm partly afraid of using Partition Magic now. Last time I created a FAT32 partition, I couldn't delete it. I permanently(or at least permanently for my knowledge) screwed up fstab, and had to reinstall linux, then use diskdrake to successfully delete the partition. But If I just resize the NTFS partition with PM, I could safely use diskdrake to create the partition at the end of the Extended, am I correct? --Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Part 1.1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 7BIT message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Part 1.1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 7BIT message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit At the end of the day the decision whether to use PM has to be yours. All I can add is, that in my now fairly extensive experience I would not mix my partition tools on the same drive. If something went wrong with PM last time it has to be because you did something wrong with it. In my experience it is a fine partioning tool. I would not use PM to repartion anything diskdrake has already created though.If you create something with PM use PM to alter it, If you created a partion with diskdrake use it to undo it. So if you have this HD and it has a windblows ntfs partion with a windblows OS, I would use PM to resize it. then with the remaining disc space I would
[newbie] How to go about creating a new partition.
Last time I tried to make a partition to give Linux more hard drive space, I completely screwed up Linux. Here's my plan for doing it this time. If there's anything I might screw up by doing this, please tell me. 1. Use Partition Magic in windows to resize my NTFS Windows Partition. 2. Boot Linux, use Diskdrake to create a partition from the free space, place it at the end of the sector.(I want to use Linux to do this so it 'knows' that I added this partition. Last time I think the problem was that it took mdk by surprise, screwing up the labels.) 3. Do ln /home/marc /mnt/nameofpartition Sound good? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
