Re: [newbie] Is having LILO/GRUB on the MBR harmful to XP?
On Tuesday 03 February 2004 04:01 pm, Alan Ianson wrote: On Tue Feb 3 2004 12:47 pm, David Reid wrote: I'm preparing to install Mandrake 9.2 to dual boot with Windows XP on my laptop. It's my first install and I've reduced the NTFS partition using Partition Magic 8.0 to make 9Gb of the 20Gb disk available. Ideally, I'd like to install LILO/GRUB on the MBR but I've read reports of non-windows boot loaders being considered a virus (by XP or the BIOS or Virus software I'm not sure which) and advice to retain the XP boot loader and to place LILO/GRUB on the boot partition. Does anyone know if this is still a consideration? I'd really appreciate it If someone could also tell me whether it's easier/better to create the Linux partitions with Partition Magic before starting the install or to leave the install process to create them for me. I've been using Windows/XP, FreeDOS and various distro's of linux with lilo as the boot loader for quite a while. I haven't had any ill affects from having lilo in the MBR. I will second that.. I wonder why you used partition magic. Mandrake 9.2 worked flawlessly to repartition and grab the free area from my Windows XP NTFS partition. There was only one thing I had to do which was defrag the drive to get the space open. Anyway I have been running about 2 months now without problems.. Bruce Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is having LILO/GRUB on the MBR harmful to XP?
Hi, Since you want to give it a try..here is a copy of my grub menu.. * timeout 10 color black/cyan yellow/cyan i18n (hd0,8)/boot/grub/messages keytable (hd0,8)/boot/us.klt altconfigfile (hd0,8)/boot/grub/menu.once default 0 # title Windows XP Home hdg1 root (hd1,0) map (0x81) (0x80) map (0x80) (0x81) makeactive chainloader +1 #*** title Mandrake 260-1 enterprise hde-9-10 kernel (hd0,8)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0-1mdkenterprise devfs=mount splash=silent hdd=ide-scsi hdb=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hde11 vga=788 root=/dev/hde9 initrd (hd0,8)/boot/initrd-2.6.0-1mdkenterprise.img # title Mandrake 2422-26 Enterprise hde-9-10 kernel (hd0,8)/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-26mdkenterprise devfs=mount splash=silent hdd=ide-scsi hdb=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hde11 vga=788 root=/dev/hde9 initrd (hd0,8)/boot/initrd-2.4.22-26mdkenterprise.img # title Mandrake 2422-26 hde-9-10 kernel (hd0,8)/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-26mdk devfs=mount splash=silent hdd=ide-scsi hdb=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hde11 vga=788 root=/dev/hde9 initrd (hd0,8)/boot/initrd-2.4.22-26mdk.img # title Mandrake 2422-21 hde-9-10 kernel (hd0,8)/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-21mdk root=/dev/hde9 devfs=mount splash=silent hdd=ide-scsi hdb=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hde11 splash=silent vga=788 initrd (hd0,8)/boot/initrd-2.4.22-21mdk.img # title Windows 98 hde1 root (hd0,0) chainloader +1 #*** title Mandrake linux-nonfb hde9-10 kernel (hd0,8)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hde9 devfs=mount splash=silent hdd=ide-scsi hdb=ide-scsi acpi=ht resume=/dev/hde11 initrd (hd0,8)/boot/initrd.img #** title floppy root (fd0) chainloader +1 # title Suse 9.0 kernel-121-K_delft hde5/6 kernel (hd0,4)/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-121-default root=/dev/hde5 vga=0x314 splash=silent desktop hdd=ide-scsi hdb=ide-scsi hddlun=0 showopts initrd (hd0,4)/boot/initrd-2.4.21-121-default # title Fedora Core 1 2422-1.2115.nptl hde7/8 root (hd0,6) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl ro root=LABEL=/ hdd=ide-scsi hdb=ide-scsi rhgb initrd /boot/initrd-2.4.22-1.2115.nptl.img # title Memory Test kernel (hd0,4)/boot/memtest.bin # * Johan On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 23:01:07 -0500 Guy Rouillier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:56:24 +0200 Johan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I suggest grub.. On my drive one there is win 98 - mdk 9.2 - fedora - suse 9.0. On my drive two there is win xp home. Grub handles this effortlessly. I even experimented with to two win systems (up to 3 win systems can be handled) on same drive - that worked fine with the hide/unhide option. This is all in the grub howto.. etc. grub need some close study and I feel sure it can be done. Thanks, I'm going to give it a try! Johan *** sni -- Johan Registered Linux User #330034 .. still learning May this be a good day for learning Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is having LILO/GRUB on the MBR harmful to XP?
Hi, I suggest grub.. On my drive one there is win 98 - mdk 9.2 - fedora - suse 9.0. On my drive two there is win xp home. Grub handles this effortlessly. I even experimented with to two win systems (up to 3 win systems can be handled) on same drive - that worked fine with the hide/unhide option. This is all in the grub howto.. etc. grub need some close study and I feel sure it can be done. Johan *** On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:17:49 + Robert Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 04 Feb 2004 4:59 am, Guy Rouillier wrote: Robert, mind if I piggyback on this question? I have a new AMD64 laptop, and it came with XP Home (of course!) I want to put XP-64 as well as Mandrake 32-bit and 64-bit. Can lilo or grub handle copying files before starting to boot Windows versions? Here's the rub: all versions of Windows derived from NT have two critical startup files: ntldr and ntdetect.com. These are incompatible between the 32-bit and 64-bit versions, so I need the boot mechanism to copy in the right versions from backup directories before kicking off the boot process. System Commander does this, and I just learned the hard way that BootMagic (comes with Partition Magic) does *not* gr. Seeing as I have to start all over, I thought I'd try doing it with grub. Thanks. Greg, If I read your question right you want to quad boot your machine? That is an interesting idea :-) Might be difficult to manage booting into the 2 Windows partitions though. (Not sure really). I think you might have to move this question to the expert mailing list if you get stuck :-) It would be difficult for Lilo/Grub to see the windows files you refer to as the Windows partitions wouldn't be mounted by Linux at that point. Robert -- Johan Registered Linux User #330034 .. still learning May this be a good day for learning Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is having LILO/GRUB on the MBR harmful to XP?
On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 19:56:24 +0200 Johan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I suggest grub.. On my drive one there is win 98 - mdk 9.2 - fedora - suse 9.0. On my drive two there is win xp home. Grub handles this effortlessly. I even experimented with to two win systems (up to 3 win systems can be handled) on same drive - that worked fine with the hide/unhide option. This is all in the grub howto.. etc. grub need some close study and I feel sure it can be done. Thanks, I'm going to give it a try! Johan *** On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:17:49 + Robert Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 04 Feb 2004 4:59 am, Guy Rouillier wrote: Robert, mind if I piggyback on this question? I have a new AMD64 laptop, and it came with XP Home (of course!) I want to put XP-64 as well as Mandrake 32-bit and 64-bit. Can lilo or grub handle copying files before starting to boot Windows versions? Here's the rub: all versions of Windows derived from NT have two critical startup files: ntldr and ntdetect.com. These are incompatible between the 32-bit and 64-bit versions, so I need the boot mechanism to copy in the right versions from backup directories before kicking off the boot process. System Commander does this, and I just learned the hard way that BootMagic (comes with Partition Magic) does *not* gr. Seeing as I have to start all over, I thought I'd try doing it with grub. Thanks. Greg, If I read your question right you want to quad boot your machine? That is an interesting idea :-) Might be difficult to manage booting into the 2 Windows partitions though. (Not sure really). I think you might have to move this question to the expert mailing list if you get stuck :-) It would be difficult for Lilo/Grub to see the windows files you refer to as the Windows partitions wouldn't be mounted by Linux at that point. Robert -- Johan Registered Linux User #330034 .. still learning May this be a good day for learning -- Guy Rouillier Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is having LILO/GRUB on the MBR harmful to XP?
Guy Rouillier wrote: On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:13:59 -0500 Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's what I need. On the first primary partition (C: to Windows),WinNT/2K/XP will always put ntldr and ntdetect.com in the root. The waySystem Commander handles this is to create backup directories for each version, e.g., c:\sc\win2k and c:\sc\winxp. It copies the startup files into these backup directories, and then when you ask to boot a particular version, it copies the set of files in that directory into c:\, then tells the operating system to boot. Appreciate any options you can think of. I still have System Commander, I have never used system commander. I have used windows to boot mandrake. I cannot remember how it was done, basically you have to create a new entry for booting Mandrake in windblows equivelant of /etc/lilo.conf, but it's not worth he hastle. Easiest way is to remove system commander, slap your Windblows Install CD of whichever windblows OS you want to use to load for all the win OS( in your case either NT,or W2K, or XP) run it to fix MBR Then proceed to install Mandrake and let it put lilo in the mbr(it does no harm whatsoever) and use Lilo to boot mandrake, and chain load onto Windblows for the 3 Win OS's. that way you don't have to mess about much. Any time you want to change an OS it's easy. My MSI motherboard doesn't think mandrake is a virus. But you say, MSI motherboard. This MB has a virus checker in the BIOS what makes this happen ? That is the question ? My MSI mobo has both a bios and a boot sector virus checker and neither interfere with lilo and my mandrake boots. It's odd that you are having this problem, is there a genuine virus in there ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is having LILO/GRUB on the MBR harmful to XP?
On Wednesday 04 Feb 2004 4:59 am, Guy Rouillier wrote: Robert, mind if I piggyback on this question? I have a new AMD64 laptop, and it came with XP Home (of course!) I want to put XP-64 as well as Mandrake 32-bit and 64-bit. Can lilo or grub handle copying files before starting to boot Windows versions? Here's the rub: all versions of Windows derived from NT have two critical startup files: ntldr and ntdetect.com. These are incompatible between the 32-bit and 64-bit versions, so I need the boot mechanism to copy in the right versions from backup directories before kicking off the boot process. System Commander does this, and I just learned the hard way that BootMagic (comes with Partition Magic) does *not* gr. Seeing as I have to start all over, I thought I'd try doing it with grub. Thanks. Greg, If I read your question right you want to quad boot your machine? That is an interesting idea :-) Might be difficult to manage booting into the 2 Windows partitions though. (Not sure really). I think you might have to move this question to the expert mailing list if you get stuck :-) It would be difficult for Lilo/Grub to see the windows files you refer to as the Windows partitions wouldn't be mounted by Linux at that point. Robert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Is having LILO/GRUB on the MBR harmful to XP?
I'm preparing to install Mandrake 9.2 to dual boot with Windows XP on my laptop. It's my first install and I've reduced the NTFS partition using Partition Magic 8.0 to make 9Gb of the 20Gb disk available. Ideally, I'd like to install LILO/GRUB on the MBR but I've read reports of non-windows boot loaders being considered a virus (by XP or the BIOS or Virus software I'm not sure which) and advice to retain the XP boot loader and to place LILO/GRUB on the boot partition. Does anyone know if this is still a consideration? I'd really appreciate it If someone could also tell me whether it's easier/better to create the Linux partitions with Partition Magic before starting the install or to leave the install process to create them for me. Thanks, David. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is having LILO/GRUB on the MBR harmful to XP?
On Tuesday 03 February 2004 03:47 pm, David Reid wrote: I'm preparing to install Mandrake 9.2 to dual boot with Windows XP on my laptop. It's my first install and I've reduced the NTFS partition using Partition Magic 8.0 to make 9Gb of the 20Gb disk available. Ideally, I'd like to install LILO/GRUB on the MBR but I've read reports of non-windows boot loaders being considered a virus (by XP or the BIOS or Virus software I'm not sure which) and advice to retain the XP boot loader and to place LILO/GRUB on the boot partition. Does anyone know if this is still a consideration? I'd really appreciate it If someone could also tell me whether it's easier/better to create the Linux partitions with Partition Magic before starting the install or to leave the install process to create them for me. It's not XP that considers it a virus, but some BIOS virus checking routines. IMO, it is preferable to install to mbr. I have never experienced a problem with this in terms of hurting my windows isntalls. -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is having LILO/GRUB on the MBR harmful to XP?
On Tue Feb 3 2004 12:47 pm, David Reid wrote: I'm preparing to install Mandrake 9.2 to dual boot with Windows XP on my laptop. It's my first install and I've reduced the NTFS partition using Partition Magic 8.0 to make 9Gb of the 20Gb disk available. Ideally, I'd like to install LILO/GRUB on the MBR but I've read reports of non-windows boot loaders being considered a virus (by XP or the BIOS or Virus software I'm not sure which) and advice to retain the XP boot loader and to place LILO/GRUB on the boot partition. Does anyone know if this is still a consideration? I'd really appreciate it If someone could also tell me whether it's easier/better to create the Linux partitions with Partition Magic before starting the install or to leave the install process to create them for me. I've been using Windows/XP, FreeDOS and various distro's of linux with lilo as the boot loader for quite a while. I haven't had any ill affects from having lilo in the MBR. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is having LILO/GRUB on the MBR harmful to XP?
On Tuesday 03 Feb 2004 8:47 pm, David Reid wrote: I'm preparing to install Mandrake 9.2 to dual boot with Windows XP on my laptop. It's my first install and I've reduced the NTFS partition using Partition Magic 8.0 to make 9Gb of the 20Gb disk available. Ideally, I'd like to install LILO/GRUB on the MBR but I've read reports of non-windows boot loaders being considered a virus (by XP or the BIOS or Virus software I'm not sure which) and advice to retain the XP boot loader and to place LILO/GRUB on the boot partition. Does anyone know if this is still a consideration? I'd really appreciate it If someone could also tell me whether it's easier/better to create the Linux partitions with Partition Magic before starting the install or to leave the install process to create them for me. Thanks, David. Hi David, I have a dual boot Windows XP Pro and MDK 9.2 on my P4-M laptop. I had Windows XP Pro installed as a single NTFS partition (about 36gig). I just resized the Windows partition using the Mandrake partitioning tool (why use Partition Magic?? :-) and made a second partition (native Linux ext-3). I didn't even bother defraging the Windows partition!! I didn't bother with a shared FAT partition as Linux support for reading from NTFS is excellent or a swap partition (the laptop has 1 gig of RAM). I just installed MDK with a Lilo bootloader and it works great. I also have MDK Linux installed on a PC I use as a router/gateway with a cheapo MSI motherboard. This MB has a virus checker in the BIOS which checks the MBR for nasty viri. Unfortunately it thinks Linux is a virus so I just turned it off (its probably only needed by M$ Winblows users anyway :-). So don't worry about using the MBR... budge over Winblows and make room for a real OS :-) Robert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is having LILO/GRUB on the MBR harmful to XP?
On Tuesday 03 February 2004 05:23 pm, Robert Walker wrote: a cheapo MSI motherboard. This MB has a virus checker in the BIOS which checks the MBR for nasty viri. Unfortunately it thinks Linux is a virus so I just turned it off (its probably only needed by M$ Winblows users anyway :-). So don't worry about using the MBR.. If you want to use the BIOS virus check, leave it off until you install the bootloader and then turn it back on. It merely prevents anything from writing to the mbr and lets you know if it changes. If you turn it on after you write the mbr, it shouldn't give you trouble. -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is having LILO/GRUB on the MBR harmful to XP?
On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 22:23:11 + Robert Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi David, I have a dual boot Windows XP Pro and MDK 9.2 on my P4-M laptop. I had Windows XP Pro installed as a single NTFS partition (about 36gig). I just resized the Windows partition using the Mandrake partitioning tool (why use Partition Magic?? :-) and made a second partition (native Linux ext-3). I didn't even bother defraging the Windows partition!! I didn't bother with a shared FAT partition as Linux support for reading from NTFS is excellent or a swap partition (the laptop has 1 gig of RAM). I just installed MDK with a Lilo bootloader and it works great. I also have MDK Linux installed on a PC I use as a router/gateway with a cheapo MSI motherboard. This MB has a virus checker in the BIOS which checks the MBR for nasty viri. Unfortunately it thinks Linux is a virus so I just turned it off (its probably only needed by M$ Winblows users anyway :-). So don't worry about using the MBR... budge over Winblows and make room for a real OS :-) Robert Robert, mind if I piggyback on this question? I have a new AMD64 laptop, and it came with XP Home (of course!) I want to put XP-64 as well as Mandrake 32-bit and 64-bit. Can lilo or grub handle copying files before starting to boot Windows versions? Here's the rub: all versions of Windows derived from NT have two critical startup files: ntldr and ntdetect.com. These are incompatible between the 32-bit and 64-bit versions, so I need the boot mechanism to copy in the right versions from backup directories before kicking off the boot process. System Commander does this, and I just learned the hard way that BootMagic (comes with Partition Magic) does *not* gr. Seeing as I have to start all over, I thought I'd try doing it with grub. Thanks. -- Guy Rouillier Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
