Re: [newbie] OT,How to zing like the best. RE: Was: How to bestsupport Mandrake
john rigby wrote: Ahhh, Is anyone home with you two? Hellooo? The reason that my comms are in Doze is because - **like femme** and a zillion others - the Mandrake installs fail!!. Don't drag me into this horseshit you've got going here John. I don't care to be a part of it. Thx. I don't enjoy struggling but I do to *learn*. I find it does educate enlighten my pea-sized intelligence. I will wait and see what other bad news appears like Femmes re 8.2. (Sigh) like most people most of my things now will tend to be USB like most of the world except the M8.2 distro?? Sadly, John My issues with 8.2 aren't necessarily the last ones to be heard of...nor are they likely the last ones I'll have. That said, it's been a day since 8.2 was released! So... I hate to inform your arrogant/ill-informed ass but frankly there will be bugs that were missed. Wake up, don't be such a wet noodle. Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT,How to zing like the best. RE: Was: How to bestsupport Mandrake
john rigby wrote: Ahhh, Is anyone home with you two? Hellooo? The reason that my comms are in Doze is because - **like femme** and a zillion others - the Mandrake installs fail!!. I cannot since Redhat 5.2 ( nor can anyone else I've ever known) replace the most basic functions of a person who makes a living using a computer.. like writing letters, backing up to a CD, editing a little Website, etc. etc. Strange, II trained 15 secretaries on Mandrake 6.1 and it is still in use at a government office (upgraded to 8.1 now, but using StarOffice and WordPerfect in an all-linux network )inside a state whose government would halt without Microsoft software. That statement you made smacks of FUD and sounds very unprofessional. Here you are on a help list but not looking for help, only complaining without specifics. AND I've had fabulous support and help from the good people on this very List, who tried very hard to help, over what seems decades. I still have not read a cogent argument against a single comment I made. Not a single line of rational, supportable argument. ( BTW: YA Mother wears gumboots! is not a cogent retort, neither is to betray abysmal ignorance of the language and refer to a person as a troll - a distinct entity in English mythology with sound etymology.) Troll--to move the boat slowly along a chum line in search of gamefish. Some folks get off on trolling for flame wars after which they can participate gleefully or sit on the sidelines observing the sparks and incendiaries and mud being slung by the participants. The (unfortunately true) internet legendary flame war included a pregnant participant who posted that she could not properly put her opponents in their places as she had to go deliver her baby... But, never fear, I don't place you in the category of troll. You I would place in two possible categories. One is the fellow who is so sure his view of the world is the _ONLY_ right one that he posts nonsense which makes sense in his own experience but ignores factors he has never observed. Probably such a person has never read W. Edwards Deming, or having read him, understood the dynamics that could be achieved by proper application. The other is that sort of sinister character who sees the problems newbies encounter with linux as an opportunity to spread discouragement and dissent for reasons of his own. I am sad to report that I believe this category likely. My last - thanks to Big Bill's product - which does at least work - communication on the arcane matter of Business Point101. I will wait and see what other bad news appears like Femmes re 8.2. (Sigh) like most people most of my things now will tend to be USB like most of the world except the M8.2 distro?? Well, USB support is much better but will not be perfect. Most USB devices are honoring the standard with lips, not with hardware and making up for it by writing windows drivers. But we've got printers and cameras and non-proprietary scanners and some storage devices including some of the memory devices working pretty well. Crashtesters have been happy on that score. naturally there are bugs, but most of them are elsewhere and often range into the arcane, like when someone chooses a 16-bit character encoding for Samba Shares (which windows doesn't like very much either) but we have targeted the worst and will have the update fixes tested by the time the disks hit the shelves. Sadly, John Anyway, you would never see this level of discussion of problems tolerated on a Microsoft list. In fact it is a LICENSE AGREEMENT VIOLATION on some of their software to use it to criticize Microsoft. And if you don't believe me, just read the End-User License Agreement for FrontPage 2000 or 2002. When the UCITA passes in Washington State, some of Microsoft's critics are likely to find themselves criminals because they use FrontPage to make a web page that criticizes Microsoft. We can take criticism, and we can take you as well, because most list members will see the FUD you spread for what it is, just a very clever twist to make problem-solving seem like something dirty. When one is tryoing to take a complex thing and make it simple, and easy to use, decisions have to be made about excluding cases from the handling of the tools available. Almost all the requests on this list result from lack of knowledge about how to exceed the design of the tools or from failure of the tool to fully protect the user from mistakes. So this list is very important to honing tool design and provides a source of feedback to improve the product. If you really stumbled so totally with Mandrake, then try to install Windows and see how much luck you have--not with the manufacturers install or restore disk but with a fresh system disk. The fact is, right now, we're easier. We're easier than XP and we support more hardware. OK enough said. I won't be
Re: [newbie] OT,How to zing like the best. RE: Was: How to bestsupport Mandrake
shane wrote: On Wednesday 20 March 2002 00:18, FemmeFatale opened a hailing frequency and transmitted: john rigby wrote: Ahhh, Is anyone home with you two? Hellooo? The reason that my comms are in Doze is because - **like femme** and a zillion others - the Mandrake installs fail!!. Don't drag me into this horseshit you've got going here John. I don't care to be a part of it. Thx. I don't enjoy struggling but I do to *learn*. I find it does educate enlighten my pea-sized intelligence. just curious, does anyone here actually have an email where john said i tryed X, Y happened, how do i fix it? or do we all just have it can't be done, i tried so i know! There was a list of problems, none well detailed, with 8.0 in the archives. It almost seemed like a compendium of others complaints, all happening on a single system, 8.0 which he used had some serious bugs with the kernel and its virtual memory. These were common to all linices that used early 2.4s, but apparently installing and booting kernel 2.2 never occurred to this fellow--most of the thrash the disk stuff was a side effect of early 2.4. He said he did get it installed But could not view a .pdf file could not shut down properly, etc. Now he's jumping on other people's problems saying they will happen to him without even looking. We do test these things, but we don't have access to all the hardware out there. I make sure mine resembles junk as much as possible, hoping that if it works on the really marginnal stuff, like Gateway, Dell, Compaq, eMachines and PCChips (and friends) motherboards, that it will work also on the better stuff. (Yes, it doesn't matter how big the name is, cut corners are cut corners, and they do increase the fail rate, and of course proprietary peripherals are common. An Aureal (Turtle Beach) sound card has a binary only linux driver which works with all the sound cards they made except those they made for Dell, which were subtly different.) But I think your call is correct. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT,How to zing like the best. RE: Was: How to bestsupport Mandrake
On March 20, 2002 12:18 am, you wrote: john rigby wrote: Ahhh, Is anyone home with you two? Hellooo? The reason that my comms are in Doze is because - **like femme** and a zillion others - the Mandrake installs fail!!. Don't drag me into this horseshit you've got going here John. I don't care to be a part of it. Thx. I don't enjoy struggling but I do to *learn*. I find it does educate enlighten my pea-sized intelligence. I will wait and see what other bad news appears like Femmes re 8.2. (Sigh) like most people most of my things now will tend to be USB like most of the world except the M8.2 distro?? Sadly, John My issues with 8.2 aren't necessarily the last ones to be heard of...nor are they likely the last ones I'll have. That said, it's been a day since 8.2 was released! So... I hate to inform your arrogant/ill-informed ass but frankly there will be bugs that were missed. Wake up, don't be such a wet noodle. Femme you go girl! ;-) moose. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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- Original Message - From: john rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] OT,How to zing like the best. RE: Was: How to bestsupport Mandrake Ahhh, Is anyone home with you two? Hellooo? The reason that my comms are in Doze is because - **like femme** and a zillion others - the Mandrake installs fail!!. I cannot since Redhat 5.2 ( nor can anyone else I've ever known) replace the most basic functions of a person who makes a living using a computer.. like writing letters, backing up to a CD, editing a little Website, etc. etc. AND I've had fabulous support and help from the good people on this very List, who tried very hard to help, over what seems decades. I still have not read a cogent argument against a single comment I made. Not a single line of rational, supportable argument. ( BTW: YA Mother wears gumboots! is not a cogent retort, neither is to betray abysmal ignorance of the language and refer to a person as a troll - a distinct entity in English mythology with sound etymology.) My last - thanks to Big Bill's product - which does at least work - communication on the arcane matter of Business Point101. I will wait and see what other bad news appears like Femmes re 8.2. (Sigh) like most people most of my things now will tend to be USB like most of the world except the M8.2 distro?? Sadly, John - Original Message - From: Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NewbieMandrake-List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] OT,How to zing like the best. RE: Was: How to bestsupport Mandrake On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 03:37, FemmeFatale wrote: OW ! *zing!* cute Lyvim ;p -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT,How to zing like the best. RE: Was: How to bestsupport Mandrake
Ahhh, Is anyone home with you two? Hellooo? The reason that my comms are in Doze is because - **like femme** and a zillion others - the Mandrake installs fail!!. I cannot since Redhat 5.2 ( nor can anyone else I've ever known) replace the most basic functions of a person who makes a living using a computer.. like writing letters, backing up to a CD, editing a little Website, etc. etc. AND I've had fabulous support and help from the good people on this very List, who tried very hard to help, over what seems decades. I still have not read a cogent argument against a single comment I made. Not a single line of rational, supportable argument. ( BTW: YA Mother wears gumboots! is not a cogent retort, neither is to betray abysmal ignorance of the language and refer to a person as a troll - a distinct entity in English mythology with sound etymology.) My last - thanks to Big Bill's product - which does at least work - communication on the arcane matter of Business Point101. I will wait and see what other bad news appears like Femmes re 8.2. (Sigh) like most people most of my things now will tend to be USB like most of the world except the M8.2 distro?? Sadly, John - Original Message - From: Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NewbieMandrake-List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] OT,How to zing like the best. RE: Was: How to bestsupport Mandrake On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 03:37, FemmeFatale wrote: OW ! *zing!* cute Lyvim ;p Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
