[OT] Re: [newbie] RE: your mail
vi is probably more powerful than pico (as is emacs, my editor of choice),
you just have to know the right commands. Pico, in my experience is enough
for most, and best for newbies.
vi has two modes: command mode ("read only" mode), the function of which
is self explanatory and insert mode which is invoked by typing "i" while
in command mode. F1 doesn't usually give help that I'm aware of... at
least it's not the first thing I'd try in order to get help (pico doesn't
give any help through F1 either). I think typing F1 to get help is, for
the most part, a windows thing.
If you're going to do much work with unix, it's a good idea to know vi
since it's usually the default editor and, if no other editor is
installed, vi will be.
What it comes down to is personal preference... as with operating systems
:)
DvB
On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Paul Derbyshire wrote:
At 10:08 AM 2/10/00 -, you wrote:
use vi, type vi filename at a command prompt, useful commands are:
:write - to save
:quit - to quit
:quit! - to force quit
btw. you will probably hate it :)
Shame on you, suggesting than a new user use vile and then giving an
inadequate warning. I stumbled on vile once on some machine or other where
I had a shell account. Yugh. It doesn't work the way you'd expect (for
example, you can't open the file, arrow around, and type new text; as near
as I can tell it opens all files in a read-only mode and expects a command
to be issued to change it) and there's no help to be had hitting F1 and no
helpful status line on the screen telling you what key you should hit for
documentation -- bad interface design, since the interface should work the
way people are used to (e.g. for an editor, arrow around and type stuff,
shift-arrows to select, etc.), and shouldn't require a mini-course from
Algonquin or thorough reading of the manual. Manuals/help files are for
reference and how-to, not for basic explaining of the interface. I think
whoever perpetrated vi was the same idiot who perpetrated Lotus Notes (see
http://www.iarchitect.com/mshame.html IIRC -- if that's 404, try just
http://www.iarchitect.com and click the nice icon of a bomb ;-)).
PICO, on the other hand, is an okay shell editor.
If it's not on your system, you'll probably find it on rpmfind.net
somewhere under 'p'.
Kedit, of course, works in a way that should be familiar to users of modern
graphical systems like 'doze and MacOS. Except for a quirk in that it seems
to clobber the clipboard spuriously sometimes, especially if you select
something -- meaning if you do the usual "select in window A, hit ctrl-C,
switch to window B, select some old crud, and hit ctrl-V to replace the old
crud with the stuff from window B" it won't work in kedit or the derivative
kwrite :-(
--
.*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not
-()circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a
`*' straight line."-
-- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
_ | Paul Derbyshire
Programmer Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Will Trepanier wrote: vi is one of those tools that you love to hate. The NGs are filled with flames on the pros and cons. It has a rather steep learning curve and is especially daunting to newcomers, but if you are serious about learning *nix, it is a good tool in your arsenal. I reckon that once you have mastered vi's use, you have mastered about 15% of *nix, as you will have been introduced to sed, awk and grep. Also, you would be able to sit in front of any *nix box and feel comfortable. It is most useful for 5-fingered typists. It's one of those oldies but goodies. I even know a guy who refuses to use vi as he prefers to use ex Depends on your usage; if you are only editting small files, and making small edits, any editor will do. But, if you are editting text files of about 50Mbs each, and placement of each digit/character and padding is important, then vi something to keep handy. My 2 cents. -- Ronald
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:) but vi is installed as default on nearly every *nix box, so if you learn vi, your made. Its not that hard, I recommend The Vi Quick Reference from O'Reilly. Shouldn't be used by very new users though, as they will probably wreck there machine :( Fran -- From: Paul Derbyshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] RE: your mail Date: 10 February 2000 16:45 At 10:08 AM 2/10/00 -, you wrote: use vi, type vi filename at a command prompt, useful commands are: :write - to save :quit - to quit :quit! - to force quit btw. you will probably hate it :) Shame on you, suggesting than a new user use vile and then giving an inadequate warning. I stumbled on vile once on some machine or other where I had a shell account. Yugh. It doesn't work the way you'd expect (for example, you can't open the file, arrow around, and type new text; as near as I can tell it opens all files in a read-only mode and expects a command to be issued to change it) and there's no help to be had hitting F1 and no helpful status line on the screen telling you what key you should hit for documentation -- bad interface design, since the interface should work the way people are used to (e.g. for an editor, arrow around and type stuff, shift-arrows to select, etc.), and shouldn't require a mini-course from Algonquin or thorough reading of the manual. Manuals/help files are for reference and how-to, not for basic explaining of the interface. I think whoever perpetrated vi was the same idiot who perpetrated Lotus Notes (see http://www.iarchitect.com/mshame.html IIRC -- if that's 404, try just http://www.iarchitect.com and click the nice icon of a bomb ;-)). PICO, on the other hand, is an okay shell editor. If it's not on your system, you'll probably find it on rpmfind.net somewhere under 'p'. Kedit, of course, works in a way that should be familiar to users of modern graphical systems like 'doze and MacOS. Except for a quirk in that it seems to clobber the clipboard spuriously sometimes, especially if you select something -- meaning if you do the usual "select in window A, hit ctrl-C, switch to window B, select some old crud, and hit ctrl-V to replace the old crud with the stuff from window B" it won't work in kedit or the derivative kwrite :-( -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -()circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line." - -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ | Paul Derbyshire Programmer Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|
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At 10:08 AM 2/10/00 -, you wrote: use vi, type vi filename at a command prompt, useful commands are: :write - to save :quit - to quit :quit! - to force quit btw. you will probably hate it :) Shame on you, suggesting than a new user use vile and then giving an inadequate warning. I stumbled on vile once on some machine or other where I had a shell account. Yugh. It doesn't work the way you'd expect (for example, you can't open the file, arrow around, and type new text; as near as I can tell it opens all files in a read-only mode and expects a command to be issued to change it) and there's no help to be had hitting F1 and no helpful status line on the screen telling you what key you should hit for documentation -- bad interface design, since the interface should work the way people are used to (e.g. for an editor, arrow around and type stuff, shift-arrows to select, etc.), and shouldn't require a mini-course from Algonquin or thorough reading of the manual. Manuals/help files are for reference and how-to, not for basic explaining of the interface. I think whoever perpetrated vi was the same idiot who perpetrated Lotus Notes (see http://www.iarchitect.com/mshame.html IIRC -- if that's 404, try just http://www.iarchitect.com and click the nice icon of a bomb ;-)). PICO, on the other hand, is an okay shell editor. If it's not on your system, you'll probably find it on rpmfind.net somewhere under 'p'. Kedit, of course, works in a way that should be familiar to users of modern graphical systems like 'doze and MacOS. Except for a quirk in that it seems to clobber the clipboard spuriously sometimes, especially if you select something -- meaning if you do the usual "select in window A, hit ctrl-C, switch to window B, select some old crud, and hit ctrl-V to replace the old crud with the stuff from window B" it won't work in kedit or the derivative kwrite :-( -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -()circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line."- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ | Paul Derbyshire Programmer Humanist|ICQ: 10423848|
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On the other hand, Vi - improved, the glorious Vim , is worth learning because of its staggering flexibility - and anyone using Mandrake 6.1 or 7 gets a natty GTK interface with pretty icons and all the things that those poor souls suckled on Windows need to feel right at home. Try the Vim Homepage [www.vim.org ]for info and downloads. The only reason I'm sticking with Mandrake 6.1 is that I couldn't persuade 7.0 to compile the latest Vim :-) Glyn M. On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, you wrote: At 10:08 AM 2/10/00 -, you wrote: use vi, type vi filename at a command prompt, useful commands are: :write - to save :quit - to quit :quit! - to force quit btw. you will probably hate it :) Shame on you, suggesting than a new user use vile and then giving an inadequate warning. I ~~~ "The soul is greater than the hum of its parts" Douglas Hoftstatder ~~~
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I must argue this. VI is a very powerful and useful tool if you take the time to learn it. try reading the man page and you will find that if does not open every document read-only, you just haven't done enough research to know how to use it. I will take vi over any editor out there, for the sole fact the I can do all the editing (adding, cutting, pasting, moving, deleting) without moving my hands. All the commands are done with one or two keystrokes very easily. Before you bash vi, maybe you should do some research. I would be glad to hear replies to this, however, due to time restraints, I am no longer subscribed to this list, so please send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for your time. Will Trepanier [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Paul Derbyshire [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2000 11:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [newbie] RE: your mail At 10:08 AM 2/10/00 -, you wrote: use vi, type vi filename at a command prompt, useful commands are: :write - to save :quit - to quit :quit! - to force quit btw. you will probably hate it :) Shame on you, suggesting than a new user use vile and then giving an inadequate warning. I stumbled on vile once on some machine or other where I had a shell account. Yugh. It doesn't work the way you'd expect (for example, you can't open the file, arrow around, and type new text; as near as I can tell it opens all files in a read-only mode and expects a command to be issued to change it) and there's no help to be had hitting F1 and no helpful status line on the screen telling you what key you should hit for documentation -- bad interface design, since the interface should work the way people are used to (e.g. for an editor, arrow around and type stuff, shift-arrows to select, etc.), and shouldn't require a mini-course from Algonquin or thorough reading of the manual. Manuals/help files are for reference and how-to, not for basic explaining of the interface. I think whoever perpetrated vi was the same idiot who perpetrated Lotus Notes (see http://www.iarchitect.com/mshame.html IIRC -- if that's 404, try just http://www.iarchitect.com and click the nice icon of a bomb ;-)). PICO, on the other hand, is an okay shell editor. If it's not on your system, you'll probably find it on rpmfind.net somewhere under 'p'. Kedit, of course, works in a way that should be familiar to users of modern graphical systems like 'doze and MacOS. Except for a quirk in that it seems to clobber the clipboard spuriously sometimes, especially if you select something -- meaning if you do the usual "select in window A, hit ctrl-C, switch to window B, select some old crud, and hit ctrl-V to replace the old crud with the stuff from window B" it won't work in kedit or the derivative kwrite :-( -- .*. "Clouds are not spheres, mountains are not cones, coastlines are not -()circles, and bark is not smooth, nor does lightning travel in a `*' straight line."- -- B. Mandelbrot |http://surf.to/pgd.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ | Paul Derbyshire Programmer Humanist|ICQ: 10423848| application/ms-tnef
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You need to edit /etc/fstab to make this possible On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Hill, Andrew wrote: I have been trying to access my hda1/windows drives from a simple user, not root, when I saw someone suggest logging on to linux as a single user system, linux -s, will this give me access to the hda1/windows drives? Dr Andrew Hill BSc, FRCA Department of Anaesthesia Royal Sussex County Hospital Brighton BN2 5BE 01273 696955 -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ -- 020 8387 1482 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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your favorite text editor /etc/fstab (e.g. emacs fstab or vi fstab). fstab is just a text file which mount reads when you give it a command and which, I presume, the kernel reads on bootup and issues mount commands for your main partitions. DvB On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Hill, Andrew wrote: How do I edit the fstab without access to the xwindows system? which program? -Original Message- From: Roger Whittaker [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 10:52 AM To: Hill, Andrew Cc: 'Newbie Linux'; 'Mailbase Linux Uk Help' Subject:Re: your mail You need to edit /etc/fstab to make this possible On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Hill, Andrew wrote: I have been trying to access my hda1/windows drives from a simple user, not root, when I saw someone suggest logging on to linux as a single user system, linux -s, will this give me access to the hda1/windows drives? Dr Andrew Hill BSc, FRCA Department of Anaesthesia Royal Sussex County Hospital Brighton BN2 5BE 01273 696955 -- Roger Whittaker SuSE Linux Ltd The Kinetic Centre Theobald Street Borehamwood Herts WD6 4PJ -- 020 8387 1482 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --
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On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, you wrote: On 20 Nov 1999, Jaguar wrote: Can I boot from LM 6.0 CDRom, and then using a cable modem point to LM 6.1 on an FTP and end up with a working LM 6.1??? TIA Jaugar no, the cd would need to be remade to use the network.img instead of the cdrom.img from images/ dir OTOH, you could probably make a "network install" boot disk using the 'network.img' file in the /images directory and point to the internet site and end up with a 6.1 system. :-) John
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Thanks. I have a static ip from my isp already. allowing port 80 access will be no problem, as I am going to set up another pc just for the purpose of hosting my web site, on the world side of the firewall, this way there will be little chance of someone getting into my home lan. At least I think this will work. What do you think? Do I still need my isp for basic internet access, or is there a way for me to get that access without the isp? chip On Mon, 01 Nov 1999, you wrote: On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 09:43:22PM -0800, Chip Wiegand wrote: I am interested in this also. I have apache installed and it does run. I can connect to my pages from any pc in my home network. The next part is this - How do we (I) get to our pages from the outside world? Don't we need a connection to the internet, other than through an isp? When a friend of mine tried to ping my ip address it wouldn't work, my isp has a firewall and I have a firewall. Well, both of you are going to need to allow incoming connections on port 80 on your firewalls. Next, you'll want to contact your ISP about getting a static IP and a domain name else you'll be stuck using IP numbers to contact your system. On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 03:35:22PM -0800, Dreja Julag wrote: Hello all! I am wondering if I can create a web server of my own with my linux box for my friends and neighbors. I think it sounds like a cool experiment, but I don't know where to start. Thanks for the help. I know, I could probably look to a howto, but they are not the friendliest little creatures in the world. Install the apache package. Start the server with: /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd start Put the documents you wish to publish into /home/httpd/html. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 01 Nov 1999, you wrote: Thanks. I have a static ip from my isp already. allowing port 80 access will be no problem, as I am going to set up another pc just for the purpose of hosting my web site, on the world side of the firewall, this way there will be little chance of someone getting into my home lan. At least I think this will work. What do you think? Do I still need my isp for basic internet access, or is there a way for me to get that access without the isp? Have you got several thousand dollars a month for a T1 from ATT, MCI or Sprint? ;-) Seriously, it's a LOT of work...unless you're going to have someone host your site for you (there are free website hosting places --yahoo, TheGlobe.com, etc) which will host your site for the price of you allowing them to place a banner ad or two on your site (typically a "pop-up" window.) John
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On Tue, 02 Nov 1999, you wrote: On Mon, 01 Nov 1999, you wrote: Thanks. I have a static ip from my isp already. allowing port 80 access will be no problem, as I am going to set up another pc just for the purpose of hosting my web site, on the world side of the firewall, this way there will be little chance of someone getting into my home lan. At least I think this will work. What do you think? Do I still need my isp for basic internet access, or is there a way for me to get that access without the isp? Have you got several thousand dollars a month for a T1 from ATT, MCI or Sprint? ;-) Seriously, it's a LOT of work...unless you're going to have someone host your site for you (there are free website hosting places --yahoo, TheGlobe.com, etc) which will host your site for the price of you allowing them to place a banner ad or two on your site (typically a "pop-up" window.) John I was just curious mostly about what it would require to go isp-less. So it's basically out of the question for the average user looking to host his own site. I may have found a way to do it, but with a twist. A site called myinternet.com has a forwarding service that allows one to host a web site at home. I haven't checked the detail yet, though. chip
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On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 09:43:22PM -0800, Chip Wiegand wrote: I am interested in this also. I have apache installed and it does run. I can connect to my pages from any pc in my home network. The next part is this - How do we (I) get to our pages from the outside world? Don't we need a connection to the internet, other than through an isp? When a friend of mine tried to ping my ip address it wouldn't work, my isp has a firewall and I have a firewall. Well, both of you are going to need to allow incoming connections on port 80 on your firewalls. Next, you'll want to contact your ISP about getting a static IP and a domain name else you'll be stuck using IP numbers to contact your system. On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 03:35:22PM -0800, Dreja Julag wrote: Hello all! I am wondering if I can create a web server of my own with my linux box for my friends and neighbors. I think it sounds like a cool experiment, but I don't know where to start. Thanks for the help. I know, I could probably look to a howto, but they are not the friendliest little creatures in the world. Install the apache package. Start the server with: /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd start Put the documents you wish to publish into /home/httpd/html. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 01 Nov 1999, you wrote: well they DONT need a statuc ip that is for sure. I dont have one :) I use dynip, which will automagicly post your dynamic IP to the major DNS servers. www.dynip.com On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 09:43:22PM -0800, Chip Wiegand wrote: I am interested in this also. I have apache installed and it does run. I can connect to my pages from any pc in my home network. The next part is this - How do we (I) get to our pages from the outside world? Don't we need a connection to the internet, other than through an isp? When a friend of mine tried to ping my ip address it wouldn't work, my isp has a firewall and I have a firewall. Well, both of you are going to need to allow incoming connections on port 80 on your firewalls. Next, you'll want to contact your ISP about getting a static IP and a domain name else you'll be stuck using IP numbers to contact your system. On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 03:35:22PM -0800, Dreja Julag wrote: Hello all! I am wondering if I can create a web server of my own with my linux box for my friends and neighbors. I think it sounds like a cool experiment, but I don't know where to start. Thanks for the help. I know, I could probably look to a howto, but they are not the friendliest little creatures in the world. Install the apache package. Start the server with: /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd start Put the documents you wish to publish into /home/httpd/html. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 01 Nov 1999, you wrote: I am interested in this also. I have apache installed and it does run. I can connect to my pages from any pc in my home network. The next part is this - How do we (I) get to our pages from the outside world? Don't we need a connection to the internet, other than through an isp? When a friend of mine tried to ping my ip address it wouldn't work, my isp has a firewall and I have a firewall. chip Try opening up port 80 in your firewall, or, alternatively use your firewall to translate all port 80 requests to another port, such as 8080 orsomething. :-) John
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On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 03:35:22PM -0800, Dreja Julag wrote: Hello all! I am wondering if I can create a web server of my own with my linux box for my friends and neighbors. I think it sounds like a cool experiment, but I don't know where to start. Thanks for the help. I know, I could probably look to a howto, but they are not the friendliest little creatures in the world. Install the apache package. Start the server with: /etc/rc.d/init.d/httpd start Put the documents you wish to publish into /home/httpd/html. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 29 Oct 1999, Robert Benson wrote: Hi Two questions: 1. I hear my modem in root, but not in my user account. That is when I am dialing in with pkkk. Is that some anti kppp software or a type-o :) Have you tryed moveing the volume slider under the "modem tab" You can force the speaker on or off with m1 or m0 in your init string if needed, but the slider should do the trick. 2. Netscape works in user mode but not in root?? I have set them up the same?? What am I missing here. Likely the dns settings are not sync'd, replicate the users ~/.kde/share/config/kppp (might be share/apps/kppp/, i'm a kde person persay) Any help would be appriciated. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
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On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Joel Doucet wrote: I keep trying to contact someone from linuxmandrake but nobody wants to responce to my e-mails, You apparently didn't write to the right address ([EMAIL PROTECTED])? When i configure X windows,i have to select my monitor, and since my monitor isn`t in the list i chose custom, Custom configuration of monitors is a bit tricky; you might be better off just choosing a monitor similar to your own. If in doubt, choose Highscreen LE1024, which is an old 14" screen; its settings won't be optimal, but you don't run into the risk of damaging anything. If that doesn't fix it, we'll need much more information, such as what graphics card you're trying to use. LLaP bero -- Tired of waiting for Windows 2000? STOP WAITING! http://www.ms-windows-2000.com/
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On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard htathat linux can only use 64MB of memory by deafault. Is this true? Where can I change this optioinn? It is no longer true with 2.2 kernels. LLaP bero
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Did you import the registry hack for encrypted passwords? it's in
/usr/doc/samba-%{version}/
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999, stephan schutter wrote:
Is there any one there that knows how to use linuxconf to set up windows
connectivity -- I have seen 3 MCSE people try for 2 hours! It should not, can
not be that impossible!
All I want to do is share a couple of folders to everyone and access my user
folder in the nt box. I have Linux Mandrake 6.0 and I have run the update so
everything should be the latest supported version.
In nt the values are:
Domain: ASG
computer name: mandrake
wins: 209.240.84.14
Share : /home/ftp
I added this to the obvious places in linuxconf, and now it appears in the
brows list in the domain. However, when ever I double click on the icon in the
network neighbourhood i get the error: network path can not be found
It is there i can see it, ican ping it...
I can log on from other windows machines...
help!
stephan
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