Re: [newbie] Upcoming addition of Linux to XP system
On Thursday 19 September 2002 10:12 pm, Michael Notforyou wrote: On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 20:30, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Thursday 19 September 2002 06:40 pm, Steven Kopischke wrote: snip Steven Kopischke Green Bay, WI USA Steven: Looks good, and sounds like fun. One suggestion though: I've had better luck confining Partition Magic to the WIndows stuff only, and using the Mandrake tools for Linux. (Although it might have been operator error... Nah.) DO NOT use diskdrake (linux tools) to resize an NTFS partition. YOU WILL LOSE ALL YOUR DATA!!! DON'T DO IT! If in doubt, force PartitionMagic to LEAVE UNPARTITIONED SPACE ON THE DRIVE. Then let DiskDrake work on THAT ONLY!!! -- cmg Michael: Errr, that's what I thought I wrote, albeit in a less emphatic mode. My apologies if it wasn't clear. My point was that I had a problem with using PM to manipulate Linux partitions in the past. (I can't remember the exact details, but it was probably back around 7.1/7.2 days.) I used PM to set up vaious Windows and linux partitions, do the formatting, etc. It seemed to work for a few days when a massive failure of the linux filesystem occurred. I didn't bother to do a root cause analysis, but since then I've confined PM usage to Windows partitions only, and DiskDrake to Linux partitions, and life has been good. And, if you stop and think about it, are there really any advantages to using PM for Linux? DiskDrake provides far more options, and is probably quicker. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upcoming addition of Linux to XP system
On Friday 20 September 2002 11:10 am, Steven Kopischke wrote: Will diskdrake run from the ISO CD(s)? oldgnome Oldgnome: Yup. It's called up as part of the installation process. Works fine. Just be sure to read the fine print. Oh, since it doesn't actually write anything to your drives until you explicitly tell it to do so, you can always back out at the last moment if you see something that you don't like. There's a good explanation of partitioning and installation process in Chapters 3 and 4 of the Mandrake Installation and User Guide that comes with the boxed sets and, IIRC, is also available on-line via a link on the Mandrake home page. It's probably for 8.2, but I expect that any changes are mostly in the details; the meat of it should be the same. Recommended reading. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upcoming addition of Linux to XP system
On Friday 20 September 2002 12:22 pm, you wrote: On Friday 20 September 2002 11:10 am, Steven Kopischke wrote: Will diskdrake run from the ISO CD(s)? oldgnome that depends on your daffinnation, an ISO is am image of the informaion used to make a CD, As I understand it iso is short for International Standards Organazation standard 9660, a standard file system used on CDs (you can/will note the fstab file notes an ISOnumber for the information about mounting a cdrom), and the ISO image you download will not have any programs that can be run or executed. The CD you burn from it will have folders and programs that can be run. if you need to install diskdrake, it is included in the darkxtool rpms (although there is an updated version if you need it) on disk 1 of all my Mandrake versions (kinda makes since it would be there, since the installer needs it before it can install the software in a linux partition) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upcoming addition of Linux to XP system - Update
I loaded Mandrake 8.2 and was going through the networking setup after loading the wireless RPM when the workstation started acting goofy. The networking setup window did not close upon request and was still showing an hour glass 90 minutes after selecting 'Close.' I finally killed the process. My desktop icons also disappeared during this time and I could not log out/shut down. I had to force a hard shut down. Linux wanted to check the file system integrity upon boot-up. I thought it was a good idea, too. However upon boot-up, I am able to log in at a command prompt, but no further. The limit of my *nix command knowledge is 'ls -l' from 15 years ago when I administered a Xenix system for my employer. How do I load the graphical interface? Do I need to start over? TIA oldgnome Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upcoming addition of Linux to XP system - Update #2
At 16:27 9/20/2002 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I loaded Mandrake 8.2 and was going through the networking setup after loading the wireless RPM when the workstation started acting goofy. The networking setup window did not close upon request and was still showing an hour glass 90 minutes after selecting 'Close.' I finally killed the process. My desktop icons also disappeared during this time and I could not log out/shut down. I had to force a hard shut down. Linux wanted to check the file system integrity upon boot-up. I thought it was a good idea, too. However upon boot-up, I am able to log in at a command prompt, but no further. The limit of my *nix command knowledge is 'ls -l' from 15 years ago when I administered a Xenix system for my employer. How do I load the graphical interface? Do I need to start over? I shut down and restarted, to make sure I was accurately reporting the eventsthen I remembered selecting 'interactive' when Linux was starting up. I ignored that option and then asked for the file system integrity check. I am back in the graphical environment. Now I just need to get my PCMCIA wireless network card working and I am all set. Back to work... oldgnome Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Upcoming addition of Linux to XP system
My laptop is returning home tomorrow after a week in the shop for a bad hard drive. It is a 4-month old Compaq Presario with 256Mb RAM and a 20Gb hard drive -- plenty of room for XP and Linux to coexist while I migrate to Linux. That having been said, how do I begin? (I have the three Mandrake 8.2 ISO CD's I created from downloads and once successfully installed on the above-mentioned laptop. However, the lesson I learned is that I can't be too cavalier with carving up my laptop.) From what I have read on this list over the past couple of weeks, I am considering the following approach: 1. Start with XP loaded and install Partition Magic. (I would partition the hard drive before installing anything if I could, but I only have a 'recovery' CD that drops an image onto the hard drive without regard for how I may want to partition it.) 2. Carve the hard drive into at least four volumes: a: Windows XP operating system and applications (leave as NTFS file system) b: Linux operating system and applications (ext2 file system) c: Linux swap d: Data (FAT 32 file system so I can access from both OS') 3. Install Mandrake 8.2 4. Install XP applications 5. Restore data files My questions are these: - Is my approach sound? - Will my drive partitioning work? - How large should the drive volumes be to maximize utility? (I know I can resize at will with Partition Magic, but I'd like to leave it stable for a while.) - Is there anything I am neglecting to take into consideration? Many thanks in advance for your input. Steven Kopischke Green Bay, WI USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upcoming addition of Linux to XP system
Steve, your approach sounds pretty good. Is 20 gigs enough for all that though? My xp installing is over 6 gigs. I have a similar setup but I use a 15gig chopped in half (7.5gig for all of linux and 7.5 for fat32 data partition). Then I have a 40gig drive with xp on a 12gig partition and the rest is for storage. You should be all set. The latest mandrake is pretty easy to set up. --- Steven Kopischke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My laptop is returning home tomorrow after a week in the shop for a bad hard drive. It is a 4-month old Compaq Presario with 256Mb RAM and a 20Gb hard drive -- plenty of room for XP and Linux to coexist while I migrate to Linux. That having been said, how do I begin? (I have the three Mandrake 8.2 ISO CD's I created from downloads and once successfully installed on the above-mentioned laptop. However, the lesson I learned is that I can't be too cavalier with carving up my laptop.) From what I have read on this list over the past couple of weeks, I am considering the following approach: 1. Start with XP loaded and install Partition Magic. (I would partition the hard drive before installing anything if I could, but I only have a 'recovery' CD that drops an image onto the hard drive without regard for how I may want to partition it.) 2. Carve the hard drive into at least four volumes: a: Windows XP operating system and applications (leave as NTFS file system) b: Linux operating system and applications (ext2 file system) c: Linux swap d: Data (FAT 32 file system so I can access from both OS') 3. Install Mandrake 8.2 4. Install XP applications 5. Restore data files My questions are these: - Is my approach sound? - Will my drive partitioning work? - How large should the drive volumes be to maximize utility? (I know I can resize at will with Partition Magic, but I'd like to leave it stable for a while.) - Is there anything I am neglecting to take into consideration? Many thanks in advance for your input. Steven Kopischke Green Bay, WI USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upcoming addition of Linux to XP system
Compaq Presario what? This sounds suspiciously like my Presario 730US laptop. If it's a 700 series, check out the website at the bottom of the page. It will help in the installation. On Thu, 2002-09-19 at 18:40, Steven Kopischke wrote: My laptop is returning home tomorrow after a week in the shop for a bad hard drive. My hard drive LIGHT is bad. Doesn't work at all. It is a 4-month old Compaq Presario with 256Mb RAM and a 20Gb hard drive -- plenty of room for XP and Linux to coexist while I migrate to Linux. That having been said, how do I begin? (I have the three Mandrake 8.2 ISO CD's I created from downloads and once successfully installed on the above-mentioned laptop. However, the lesson I learned is that I can't be too cavalier with carving up my laptop.) From what I have read on this list over the past couple of weeks, I am considering the following approach: 1. Start with XP loaded and install Partition Magic. (I would partition the hard drive before installing anything if I could, but I only have a 'recovery' CD that drops an image onto the hard drive without regard for how I may want to partition it.) 2. Carve the hard drive into at least four volumes: a: Windows XP operating system and applications (leave as NTFS file system) b: Linux operating system and applications (ext2 file system) c: Linux swap d: Data (FAT 32 file system so I can access from both OS') 3. Install Mandrake 8.2 4. Install XP applications 5. Restore data files My questions are these: - Is my approach sound? Sounds good. But make a / and a /boot and a /home (3 linux partitions). Consider ext3. - Will my drive partitioning work? Yep. - How large should the drive volumes be to maximize utility? (I know I can resize at will with Partition Magic, but I'd like to leave it stable for a while.) Oh boy. WinXP - I have 6GB. Depends on how much space your apps take up. Swap - I'd say 300MB. / - 8GB /boot - 50MB /home - remainder Get other opinions. - Is there anything I am neglecting to take into consideration? That Compaq Presario 700 series laptops DO NOT LIKE LINUX! Seriously, if this is a 700 series, I will help you in every way I know how, but read that Website. I posted it because there were some other Websites that were my saving grace. I combined everything that I needed to get this system to have a 2 hour battery life (YAY!!!) Many thanks in advance for your input. Steven Kopischke Green Bay, WI USA I can actually help someone now. I'm so happy. -- *Michael Notforyou* Registered Linux User #197888 Registered Linux Machine #166780 LINUX ON A COMPAQ PRESARIO 700 SERIES: http://www.quack-net.com/presario/ //42! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Upcoming addition of Linux to XP system
On Thursday 19 September 2002 06:40 pm, Steven Kopischke wrote: My laptop is returning home tomorrow after a week in the shop for a bad hard drive. It is a 4-month old Compaq Presario with 256Mb RAM and a 20Gb hard drive -- plenty of room for XP and Linux to coexist while I migrate to Linux. That having been said, how do I begin? (I have the three Mandrake 8.2 ISO CD's I created from downloads and once successfully installed on the above-mentioned laptop. However, the lesson I learned is that I can't be too cavalier with carving up my laptop.) From what I have read on this list over the past couple of weeks, I am considering the following approach: 1. Start with XP loaded and install Partition Magic. (I would partition the hard drive before installing anything if I could, but I only have a 'recovery' CD that drops an image onto the hard drive without regard for how I may want to partition it.) 2. Carve the hard drive into at least four volumes: a: Windows XP operating system and applications (leave as NTFS file system) b: Linux operating system and applications (ext2 file system) c: Linux swap d: Data (FAT 32 file system so I can access from both OS') 3. Install Mandrake 8.2 4. Install XP applications 5. Restore data files My questions are these: - Is my approach sound? - Will my drive partitioning work? - How large should the drive volumes be to maximize utility? (I know I can resize at will with Partition Magic, but I'd like to leave it stable for a while.) - Is there anything I am neglecting to take into consideration? Many thanks in advance for your input. Steven Kopischke Green Bay, WI USA Steven: Looks good, and sounds like fun. One suggestion though: I've had better luck confining Partition Magic to the WIndows stuff only, and using the Mandrake tools for Linux. (Although it might have been operator error... Nah.) -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
